Am I the only person who doesn't give a rat's behind about what happens to him? Will him being suspended really affect anyone? I think a lot of people are making a big fuss over nothing. He was warned, he kept doing it despite the warnings and got DQ'ed. Now because he has been warned and insisted on doing it over and over again, that may give the DCI (and rightfully so) the impression that he is doing it on purpose. If that is the case, then he should suspended.
He is just some guy who plays Magic. And seeing as the majority of Magic players do not play in PT's or PTQ's for that matter, this is pretty irrelevent in the grand scheme of things. There are wose things going on in the world than a Ruel getting suspended.
Asking out a girl is like trying to cast a first turn Necropotence. Sometimes the other player will have the Force of Will to say no. You shouldn't let that stop you from trying it.
A suspension doesn't seem out of line here, although I really don't know enough about DCI policy to guess whether one will be handed down or not. However, I think one of the largest determining factors will be how independent the DCI is from WotC. If they are 100% free to do as they see fit, they will make whatever decision they feel is right.
However, if WotC has it's say, Olivier will certainly not be punished any further. If Wizards wants not to lose pros to Vs. and pro poker, it will definitely not want to drive one of the games biggest stars away from it (and I would almost guarantee that a 12 month suspension would drive at least one Ruel brother from the game).
Wizards assuredly makes money off of big stars like Oli, and I don't think anybody else can immediately fill his role as a spokesman for the game.
I thought all decks had to be registered and the decklists were public knowledge at Pro Tours. Or am I wrong?
That is incorrect. Obviously the decks are registered, but, the players don't know each other's cards pools.
It's interesting that the bit telling everyone that he was DQed was removed from the blog. Obviously he knew what he was doing was wrong(the post that he made on that French forum flatly stated that he knew it was wrong and thought he'd just get a warning), but, I'd say that this is indicative of the fact that they're going to be lenient on him, because of who he is and what he means to professional Magic.
Anyone notice the Wizo site took off the Lil Blog about him being DQ'ed?
Good call Wizo's
It wasn't removed. The blog from each day is collected behind a summary link so only the current events are immediately displayed (day 1, day 2, top 8 respectively). If you go the the GP Malmö main site, then click on "Day 1 Blog Archive", you can either scroll down to or click the link for the "Player Disqualification" entry.
The fact that the announcement from the day 1 blog isn't on the frontpage anymore is just because every entry moves into the archive when the day is done. That has nothing to do with Wizards protecting Olivier.
Personally, I think Olivier's statement makes sense. It sounds plausible, and he'll be let off lightly (3 months, maybe?) because everybody will believe him that it wasn't intentional. From what I've seen from Olivier at the GP's, he's a technically sloppy player and that also may be the case for the Floor Rules. So I think the DQ is correct, but I don't believe in intentional cheating from Olivier - yet. "Shady shuffling" can also be a result of general slacking.
Oli said he didn't change his shuffle habits since he has never used them to know his opponent's deck. If it was, he would have been "damnit I'm in, I guess I must stop cheating". He only thought warnings were advice, not hard requests. He wasn't really cheating, so he didn't realize its behaviour would be considered as a cheat.
Beg to differ. I would expect that a pro of Oli's standing would understand that warnings are recorded penalties. Like most competitive Magic players I know, he would be expected to know that judges look for a history of these warnings when deciding what to do about repeat minor infractions.
I just have to say this - if I were he, and I were given a warning at a major event like GP or PT, I would strive to shuffle 'by the book' for the rest of the day, and from then on at every high profile event thereafter. I wouldn't take the chance that someone might again point out to me that I'm breaking the rules, and DQ me.
I think he probably figured, erroneously so, that the judges would understand his point of view about his shuffling methods. I do not believe he was trying to cheat, and through some quirk of his personality, he may have assumed other people are of the same mindset.
I don't personally know the guy, so i can't say these things for sure, but the DCI has a dual responsibility to the players; to promote organized play, and to keep it fair. They don't have any responsibility to Wizards' corporate bottom line, other than a fair game attracts and retains more players than a corrupt game.
It is very very easy too look at your opponents cards while shuffling. Which is why I only pile shuffle their decks. If they want to bridge shuffle towards me, that is their problem. (Would this be considered looking at extra cards?)
I personally like giving my self an edge. I think that cheating should be allowed by the dci. If you are a great cheater, you deserve to cheat. I wish I could stack my deck using 7 piles to pile shuffle. That would be Ideal.
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I personally like giving my self an edge. I think that cheating should be allowed by the dci. If you are a great cheater, you deserve to cheat. I wish I could stack my deck using 7 piles to pile shuffle. That would be Ideal.
It is very very easy too look at your opponents cards while shuffling. Which is why I only pile shuffle their decks. If they want to bridge shuffle towards me, that is their problem. (Would this be considered looking at extra cards?)
I personally like giving my self an edge. I think that cheating should be allowed by the dci. If you are a great cheater, you deserve to cheat. I wish I could stack my deck using 7 piles to pile shuffle. That would be Ideal.
If cheating was allowed, why not jsut force your opponent to play with his deck upsdie-down? Or him starting at 1 and you at a million?
There are very, very few people in the entire world that should know and practice tournament Magic ettique better than Olivier Ruel. Dealers in casinos ritualistically clap and fan their empty hands when leaving the table to show they aren't concealing anything.
IMO Kenji Tsumura is the best technician at keeping his zones separated and manipulating his cards correctly to where he isn't cheating. Compare to Billy Moreno's Naturalize performance or Mike Long's intentionally leading dialogue and card manipulation.
So in short, ORuel knows better and therefore it was ruled intentional cheating, which is a DQ.
The Ask the pro section on MTG.com has been taken down. Hmmmm I think this doesn't hold with with the youngen.
Not quite: it no longer is linked from the front page. It's still linked from the tournament center and now bears the following disclaimer:
Due to the events of Grand Prix-Malmo, this feature is on hiatus pending a DCI investigation. Wizards of the Coast does not comment on ongoing investigations.
Not quite: it no longer is linked from the front page. It's still linked from the tournament center and now bears the following disclaimer:
I didn't check there my bad. But all and all I think the **** is about to hit the fan soon. Wonder how long till we get a heads up from the DCI directly.
It is very very easy too look at your opponents cards while shuffling. Which is why I only pile shuffle their decks. If they want to bridge shuffle towards me, that is their problem. (Would this be considered looking at extra cards?)
Technically, this is looking at extra cards, and if you do something malicious with the info (like cut the bad cards to the top of their deck), and you get caught, it would definately be considered cheating...
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I personally like giving my self an edge. I think that this cheating should be allowed by the dci. If you are a great cheater, you deserve to cheat. I wish I could stack my deck using 7 piles to pile shuffle. That would be Ideal.
...and apparently you're fine with that.
You're a terrible person. (Unless you're joking, but I don't think you are.)
i will have to agree . i beleive him for now, im just waiting for the ruling.
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Technically, this is looking at extra cards, and if you do something malicious with the info (like cut the bad cards to the top of their deck), and you get caught, it would definately be considered cheating...
No, it's not. If your opponent shuffles their deck with the card faces towards you and you see the cards, it's not Looking at Extra Cards.
I assume you're trying to be funny or something, because that's a fairly dense thing to say if it's not meant to be a joke.
I guess so is posting content as well eh?
Considering how big a deal this is I think wizards and the DCI WILL give an answer ASAP. I still think puplic smacking is in order...
He is just some guy who plays Magic. And seeing as the majority of Magic players do not play in PT's or PTQ's for that matter, this is pretty irrelevent in the grand scheme of things. There are wose things going on in the world than a Ruel getting suspended.
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However, if WotC has it's say, Olivier will certainly not be punished any further. If Wizards wants not to lose pros to Vs. and pro poker, it will definitely not want to drive one of the games biggest stars away from it (and I would almost guarantee that a 12 month suspension would drive at least one Ruel brother from the game).
Wizards assuredly makes money off of big stars like Oli, and I don't think anybody else can immediately fill his role as a spokesman for the game.
That is incorrect. Obviously the decks are registered, but, the players don't know each other's cards pools.
It's interesting that the bit telling everyone that he was DQed was removed from the blog. Obviously he knew what he was doing was wrong(the post that he made on that French forum flatly stated that he knew it was wrong and thought he'd just get a warning), but, I'd say that this is indicative of the fact that they're going to be lenient on him, because of who he is and what he means to professional Magic.
It wasn't removed. The blog from each day is collected behind a summary link so only the current events are immediately displayed (day 1, day 2, top 8 respectively). If you go the the GP Malmö main site, then click on "Day 1 Blog Archive", you can either scroll down to or click the link for the "Player Disqualification" entry.
The fact that the announcement from the day 1 blog isn't on the frontpage anymore is just because every entry moves into the archive when the day is done. That has nothing to do with Wizards protecting Olivier.
Personally, I think Olivier's statement makes sense. It sounds plausible, and he'll be let off lightly (3 months, maybe?) because everybody will believe him that it wasn't intentional. From what I've seen from Olivier at the GP's, he's a technically sloppy player and that also may be the case for the Floor Rules. So I think the DQ is correct, but I don't believe in intentional cheating from Olivier - yet. "Shady shuffling" can also be a result of general slacking.
I just have to say this - if I were he, and I were given a warning at a major event like GP or PT, I would strive to shuffle 'by the book' for the rest of the day, and from then on at every high profile event thereafter. I wouldn't take the chance that someone might again point out to me that I'm breaking the rules, and DQ me.
I think he probably figured, erroneously so, that the judges would understand his point of view about his shuffling methods. I do not believe he was trying to cheat, and through some quirk of his personality, he may have assumed other people are of the same mindset.
I don't personally know the guy, so i can't say these things for sure, but the DCI has a dual responsibility to the players; to promote organized play, and to keep it fair. They don't have any responsibility to Wizards' corporate bottom line, other than a fair game attracts and retains more players than a corrupt game.
I personally like giving my self an edge. I think that cheating should be allowed by the dci. If you are a great cheater, you deserve to cheat. I wish I could stack my deck using 7 piles to pile shuffle. That would be Ideal.
You're joking, right?
If cheating was allowed, why not jsut force your opponent to play with his deck upsdie-down? Or him starting at 1 and you at a million?
IMO Kenji Tsumura is the best technician at keeping his zones separated and manipulating his cards correctly to where he isn't cheating. Compare to Billy Moreno's Naturalize performance or Mike Long's intentionally leading dialogue and card manipulation.
So in short, ORuel knows better and therefore it was ruled intentional cheating, which is a DQ.
The Ask the pro section on MTG.com has been taken down. Hmmmm I think this doesn't hold with with the youngen.
Not quite: it no longer is linked from the front page. It's still linked from the tournament center and now bears the following disclaimer:
Apparently Wizards doesnt like it to much that one of their writers got disqualified at a major sanctioned event..for cheating none the less
I didn't check there my bad. But all and all I think the **** is about to hit the fan soon. Wonder how long till we get a heads up from the DCI directly.
Technically, this is looking at extra cards, and if you do something malicious with the info (like cut the bad cards to the top of their deck), and you get caught, it would definately be considered cheating...
...and apparently you're fine with that.
You're a terrible person. (Unless you're joking, but I don't think you are.)
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No, it's not. If your opponent shuffles their deck with the card faces towards you and you see the cards, it's not Looking at Extra Cards.
As for Ruel, I don't get the intrepretation that 'he said he didn't cheat'. If anything, he said pretty much exactly the opposite.
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