Basically those are the most efficient gw creatures in Extended. The only creature that is only ok is Steward of Valeron and I'm really thinkin about switching it for brave the elements. It would help me protecting my key creatures and enable me to charge through my opponents defenses. Any other suggestions for this spot?
The other cards are pretty clear: BoP and Noble Hierarch for mana fixing and to get threedrops turn two, quasali pridmage is a decent body, that can blow up artifacts and enchantments in addition, Knight of the Reliquary is helps ramping in a turn four sun titan, protects himself or other important creatures and gets me oran-rief or stiring wildwood when i need them, kitchen finks is just incredible card advantage that can get superannoying when combined with oran rief ;-), dauntless escort is a gw body that can save my whole field or protect key creatures, wilt-leaf liege makes every creatures but the dorks dangerous monsters.
Sun titan is the latest addition to the deck and he's incredible. With pridemage it's recurable artifact destruction, with dauntless escort he can make my guys indestructible for every attack, recurring kitchen finks is just backbreaking lategame. Plus he can also get back oblivion ring and KotR.
Garruk can get me multiple oran-rief activations per turn, ramp into sun titan, overruns and his tokenmaking stabilizes the board.
Oblivion ring is just awesome removal.
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4 [SHM] Shield of the Oversoul 4 wrath of god too but you cant play wrath now
i think you should add pte/condome but you should diffny add behmath sleuge its a great card,,,bye
I really have to do a lot of testing now that i finally have all the cards.
I found a replacement for Steward of Valeron I really like: Boggart Ram Gang. It's extremely fun to attack with a 4/4 turn two (ramgang off noble hierarch) and makes the deck a bit more aggressive.
But i have also other ideas which might be better, but i liked the boggarts the best:
- Kor skyfisher: adds flying to the deck (other than BoP of course), can return "damaged" kitchen finks, depleted garruks (i often use his -1 ability in this deck), oblivion ring and late game also sun titan.
- leatherback baloth/wilt-leaf cavaliers: they are just creatures that come early and are big. I prefer leatherback baloth.
-fauna shaman: probably the best option, I'm just waiting till I traded in a full playset to test them (and altough I know he just screams "Vengevine" I'm not going to play it since I really don't waste my money for a playset)
i think you should add pte/condome but you should diffny add behmath sleuge its a great card,,,bye
Until now oblivion ring seemed to be enough creature removal, since my guys are usually the bigger ones, also i wouldn't find space for it.
About behemoth sledge: I'd really wan't to include a stoneforge mystic toolbox since there's also infiltration lens, sword of body and mind and maybe also sword of vengeance and basilisk collar. But I just don't know where to fit them.
Gaddok Teeg seems like a better card than steward or boggart ram gang, unless you're dead set on swinging away every turn, something I rarely do with a g/w aggro deck. On the flipside, you should be running 4x noble hierarch and 2x bops, unless you need the flying for some reason. reasoning? exalted alone and there is no reason other than that, really.
If you do add in fauna shaman, then I'm not sure about vengevine, as you're in general pretty solid with critters. I do think that taking cards like dauntless escort, sun titan, etc. down to a more toolbox type approach would be appropriate. I also concur. you should absolutely be running 4x path to exile maindeck. There isn't one single good reason not to, as it's the best removal in the format and some argue ever printed.
Beyond that, looks like a solid starting point. I love g/w aggro. It's generally far better than people give it credit for and can do some damage in the right hands.
I love g/w aggro. It's generally far better than people give it credit for and can do some damage in the right hands.
My point exactly.
Thanks for all the advice :-D. I don't know how I could forget about Gaddok Teeg. You are, of course, right about noble hierarch and BoP but Hierarch is still quite pricey so this is due to budget restrictions. Also with Exalted, Liege, Oran-Rief and Garruk the flying comes in handy sometimes.
I still need two get my hands on two Faune shaman to complete my palyset but I'll test them for sure. Altough I'm really not sure if this is a reason to lower the sun titan count because he's really amazing and while I don't necessarily need him on my starthand I don't mind having two mid-lategame.
You are probably right about path altough I really don't know what to cut.
I had to put some more blue hate in my sideboard because cryptic command ruined many games for me. I also put a small mystic Package main to more resilliency against board sweeps and some lifegain against aggressive decks.
I got one more Pridemage main because he is probably one of the best creatures in extended. There are a lot of very important enchantments in many competitve decks (Bitterblossom, Prismatic Omen, Honor of the Pure, Oblivion Ring,...) so his sac ability is almost always relevant and even if it's not he is still a reasonable two-drop (I'm even thniking of moving the fourth into the main deck).
I also added Elspeth because she is just good (letting an 7/7 flying KotR attack turn 3 is nice.)
Mirrodin Besieged brought another very considerable card: Mirran Crusader. This deck is stuffed with pump effects and he gets double the bonus from then. The question is: Is he better than kitchen finks?
The Crusader is rather resilient to many of extandeds removal, as are the finks only that they also won't go away with a board sweep and can be revived with oran rief.
On the other hand the Crusader is much more aggressive.
If crusader gets into the deck somthing would have to move from the sideboard because thats where the finks would stay for sure (they just win against mono-red).
I hope this Version has more Tempo than the one with Fauna Shaman. I Goldfished a bit with crusader and he is a beast that creates a lot of preasure very fast: just imagine turn2 Crusader, turn3 Elspeth -->Pumps Crusader, attack for 10 in the air.
I also wanted to keep the equipments becaus they have proven to give the deck a lot of consitency. If I can get one, I'm going to test one of the protectionswords instead of Collar.
Oran-Rief is in this deck for the interaction with kitchen Finks which is very bad news for any aggro deck plus the interaction is often overlooked by the opponent, which leads to critical misplays.
Blood Braid Elf is underplayed in standard now. She was in practically every deck, but after October people just suddenly stopped running her in their 75. Weird considering how good she is.
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2 Noble Hierarch
4 Fauna Shaman
2 Quasali Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Kitchen Finks
2 Dauntless Escort
4 Wilt-Leaf Liege
2 Sun Titan
4 Path to Exile
3 Wooded Bastion
3 Razoverge Thicket
3 Stirring Wildwood
2 Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
1 Serjiri Steppe
1 Tectonic Edge
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Island
6 Forest
3 Rhox War Monk
3 Great Sable Stag
1 Quasali Pridemage
1 Meddling Mage
2 Oblivion Ring
4 Negate
1 Sunblast Angel
Basically those are the most efficient gw creatures in Extended. The only creature that is only ok is Steward of Valeron and I'm really thinkin about switching it for brave the elements. It would help me protecting my key creatures and enable me to charge through my opponents defenses. Any other suggestions for this spot?
The other cards are pretty clear: BoP and Noble Hierarch for mana fixing and to get threedrops turn two, quasali pridmage is a decent body, that can blow up artifacts and enchantments in addition, Knight of the Reliquary is helps ramping in a turn four sun titan, protects himself or other important creatures and gets me oran-rief or stiring wildwood when i need them, kitchen finks is just incredible card advantage that can get superannoying when combined with oran rief ;-), dauntless escort is a gw body that can save my whole field or protect key creatures, wilt-leaf liege makes every creatures but the dorks dangerous monsters.
Sun titan is the latest addition to the deck and he's incredible. With pridemage it's recurable artifact destruction, with dauntless escort he can make my guys indestructible for every attack, recurring kitchen finks is just backbreaking lategame. Plus he can also get back oblivion ring and KotR.
Garruk can get me multiple oran-rief activations per turn, ramp into sun titan, overruns and his tokenmaking stabilizes the board.
Oblivion ring is just awesome removal.
I'm not really sure about the sideboard: I thought about great sable stag, wall of reverence, the fourth pridemage and maybe a single island and counterspells (negate, unified will, mana leak)...
Have you any ideas to make this better??
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i think you should add pte/condome but you should diffny add behmath sleuge its a great card,,,bye
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I found a replacement for Steward of Valeron I really like: Boggart Ram Gang. It's extremely fun to attack with a 4/4 turn two (ramgang off noble hierarch) and makes the deck a bit more aggressive.
But i have also other ideas which might be better, but i liked the boggarts the best:
- Kor skyfisher: adds flying to the deck (other than BoP of course), can return "damaged" kitchen finks, depleted garruks (i often use his -1 ability in this deck), oblivion ring and late game also sun titan.
- leatherback baloth/wilt-leaf cavaliers: they are just creatures that come early and are big. I prefer leatherback baloth.
-fauna shaman: probably the best option, I'm just waiting till I traded in a full playset to test them (and altough I know he just screams "Vengevine" I'm not going to play it since I really don't waste my money for a playset)
Until now oblivion ring seemed to be enough creature removal, since my guys are usually the bigger ones, also i wouldn't find space for it.
About behemoth sledge: I'd really wan't to include a stoneforge mystic toolbox since there's also infiltration lens, sword of body and mind and maybe also sword of vengeance and basilisk collar. But I just don't know where to fit them.
Day of Judgement or Sunblast Angel could be interesting in this too.(the latter especially with fauna shaman)
Any suggestions?
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If you do add in fauna shaman, then I'm not sure about vengevine, as you're in general pretty solid with critters. I do think that taking cards like dauntless escort, sun titan, etc. down to a more toolbox type approach would be appropriate. I also concur. you should absolutely be running 4x path to exile maindeck. There isn't one single good reason not to, as it's the best removal in the format and some argue ever printed.
Beyond that, looks like a solid starting point. I love g/w aggro. It's generally far better than people give it credit for and can do some damage in the right hands.
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My point exactly.
Thanks for all the advice :-D. I don't know how I could forget about Gaddok Teeg. You are, of course, right about noble hierarch and BoP but Hierarch is still quite pricey so this is due to budget restrictions. Also with Exalted, Liege, Oran-Rief and Garruk the flying comes in handy sometimes.
I still need two get my hands on two Faune shaman to complete my palyset but I'll test them for sure. Altough I'm really not sure if this is a reason to lower the sun titan count because he's really amazing and while I don't necessarily need him on my starthand I don't mind having two mid-lategame.
You are probably right about path altough I really don't know what to cut.
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2 Noble Hierarch
4 Fauna Shaman
3 Quasali Pridemage
1 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Kitchen Finks
3 Wilt-Leaf Liege
1 Sun Titan
2 Garruk Wildspeaker
2 Elspeth, Knight Errant
1 Basilisk Collar
1 Behemoth Sledge
4 Path to Exile
3 Wooded Bastion
4 Razorverge Thicket
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Oran-Rief, the Vastwod
1 Seriji Steppe
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Verdant Catacombs
5 Forest
1 Plains
4 Great Sable Stag
4 Guttural Response
1 Gaddok Teeg
3 Dauntless Escort
1 Sunblast Angel
1 Quasali Pridemage
1 ...
I had to put some more blue hate in my sideboard because cryptic command ruined many games for me. I also put a small mystic Package main to more resilliency against board sweeps and some lifegain against aggressive decks.
I got one more Pridemage main because he is probably one of the best creatures in extended. There are a lot of very important enchantments in many competitve decks (Bitterblossom, Prismatic Omen, Honor of the Pure, Oblivion Ring,...) so his sac ability is almost always relevant and even if it's not he is still a reasonable two-drop (I'm even thniking of moving the fourth into the main deck).
I also added Elspeth because she is just good (letting an 7/7 flying KotR attack turn 3 is nice.)
Mirrodin Besieged brought another very considerable card: Mirran Crusader. This deck is stuffed with pump effects and he gets double the bonus from then. The question is: Is he better than kitchen finks?
The Crusader is rather resilient to many of extandeds removal, as are the finks only that they also won't go away with a board sweep and can be revived with oran rief.
On the other hand the Crusader is much more aggressive.
If crusader gets into the deck somthing would have to move from the sideboard because thats where the finks would stay for sure (they just win against mono-red).
So could you please help me figure it out?
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2 Noble Hierrach
2 Steward of Valeron
4 Quasali Pridemage
2 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Mirran Crusader
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Wilt-Leaf-Liege
2 Garruk Wildspeaker
2 Elspeth, Knight Errant
1 Basilik Collar
1 Behemoth Sledge
4 Path to Exile
3 Stirring Wildwood
3 Wooded Bastion
1 Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
1 Seriji Steppe
1 Tectonic Edge
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Verdant Catacombs
5 Forest
1 Plains
4 Guttural Response
4 Great Sable Stag
4 Kitchen Finks
3 Dauntless Escort
I hope this Version has more Tempo than the one with Fauna Shaman. I Goldfished a bit with crusader and he is a beast that creates a lot of preasure very fast: just imagine turn2 Crusader, turn3 Elspeth -->Pumps Crusader, attack for 10 in the air.
I also wanted to keep the equipments becaus they have proven to give the deck a lot of consitency. If I can get one, I'm going to test one of the protectionswords instead of Collar.
Oran-Rief is in this deck for the interaction with kitchen Finks which is very bad news for any aggro deck plus the interaction is often overlooked by the opponent, which leads to critical misplays.
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GWR Marath - The Egg-laying Wool-Milk-Pig GWR
RBGrenzo - Restrained RakdosRB
UWRGBHorde of NotionsUWRGB
Retired: Karador, Ghost Chieftain | Rafiq of the Many | Animar, Soul of Elements | Maelstrom Wanderer