i've kinda been wondering. What do we do against the likes of Hive Mind? Maybe other people seen something I haven't, but I don't see myself making many changes from the board against it.
i've kinda been wondering. What do we do against the likes of Hive Mind? Maybe other people seen something I haven't, but I don't see myself making many changes from the board against it.
My initial plan is to outrace them. Otherwise... sideboard Trinisphere?
are all better for land denial, and two of those both synergize with your goblin/shaman plan. also, your 3 drop spot is murderous. how do you plan on racing zoo or other tribal decks? I think you need more early game.
Thanks, after testing i found it really struggles against control unless i can trick them into over extending or hitting less necessary cards, then i play Blood Moon and i am ok.
that I Find interesting....since when should what is historically a blazing fast aggro deck have troubles with control? midrange and zoo should be your bane, not slow old control.
yamikiri> what has been your experience with the various control decks? easy, hard?
Control is easy if you land and connect with a Warren, because it allows you to do a large amount of damage that they can't easily stabilize from. If you don't have Warren, try to land a Sensation Gorger or Blood Moon ASAP, with more emphasis on the Gorger. One trigger from the Gorger and you can dismantle nearly any control decks plans, forcing them to discard key cards (Tezz, Hex, Foundry, etc).
You also need to play smart. Hold onto your rituals if you can, and stick to casting one creature each turn, holding onto Chieftain and Bushwhacker. Doing this allows you to smash in for a lot of unexpected damage.
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Comments and Suggestions are welcome, the most expensive card is Demolish and thats in the sideboard, everything else is 3 or less, hence the small amount of mana and Rite of Flame.
No Simian Spirit Guide alongside Rite? I've been testing this deck alot and Lightning Bolt is actually overrated in this deck and you want to accelerate into an Instigator/Blood Moon/Sensation Gorger as soon as possible. Don't get me wrong the extra reach is nice, but I've found on several occasions a bolt in hand and wanting it to be a goblin.
On the Other hand i REALLY like Zo-Zu and I've been tampering with my deck to try and fit him in main, to no avail yet.
The deck has been testing out very well lately and can pretty much outrace any deck with the swarm factor of all the token generators (SCG and War Marshal). The one downside I've been seeing isn't so much mana screwing myself opening hand, as it is mana flooding myself and expecting a couple playables in the first few turns. However, I can see the problems with my manabase, although i haven't really come across it much, because I'm either hitting my Blood Moon early, making them mountains anyways, or they've been coming late game for me where I've established my manabase.
The Sideboard is very versitile, Dead/Gone for Dark Depths. Stingscourger for things like zoo, hypergenesis, and maybe even dredge(don't pay echo). Shattering Spree for all things artifacts. Pithing Needle is a swiss army knife of possibilities and Zo-Zu is just a monster against the format its not even funny, so he's in there because i can't fit him in the main.
I may end up taking out a mogg war marshal for a 3rd bloodmark mentor, because he is kinda bananas as well.
Haven't posted on here for a really long time. With RotE being released, we get some awesome additions. Tuktuk the Explorer should be an auto include, because it is amazing in the deck. At it's worse it is a chump blocker, but only for a short time.
The one thing to remember is that the token is also Legendary, so you can't cheat two of them out with a Warren.
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minus the fact that's mostly just a 1/1 unblockable. I know I'd certainly just let him keep on coming rather than block him unless it were absolutely necessary.
I think it would be an interesting addition in the SB, since it is great against them. It either forces them to waste a removal on it (when we have more influential creatures), or gives us a creature to sneak damage past.
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Haven't posted on here for a really long time. With RotE being released, we get some awesome additions. Tuktuk the Explorer should be an auto include, because it is amazing in the deck. At it's worse it is a chump blocker, but only for a short time.
The one thing to remember is that the token is also Legendary, so you can't cheat two of them out with a Warren.
and it is also risky if you play tuktuk the explorer when a tuktuk the returned is still in play. its an auto 2 for 1 for the opponent when tuktuk the explorer dies, putting into the battlefield another legendary tuktuk the returned. maybe 2 tuktuk the explorer would be sufficient main deck.
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for budget reason im playing without blood moon, but shared animosity is AWESOME... ok you just beleive me when you got 5or6 piledriver attacking you. Bloodmark mentor is not in the deck because i consider i need more token possible to make big fatty creature so i play dragon fooder (shared animosity's obligation lol)
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Overall, the list is really solid, but it wouldn't hurt to get a hold of some Jitte's. I would replace the two Dragon Fodder with them, so that you would have an even better game against Zoo. Don't worry to much about the cost of the Jitte, because you will literally use them forever. It is just one of the cards that will always be good.
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I think you personally have to run Tuktuk. It allows back breaking plays like. T1 Instigator. T2 Swing, put down Seige Gang and Tuktuk, Sac Tuktuk eot to remove a blocker and swing for 17 on T3 if you drop a lord.
T3 27 damage if you kick a bushwacker and drop a lord off the Instigator. Yeah it's a god hand but totally possible.
We may also need to think about adding in Goblin Arsonist. It's like a gimped Fanatic but better then the recently gimped Fanatic
Awesome list. I don't think the 3 Lightning Bolts are necessary though. Up the SSG (Turn one Warren or an early Blood), and maybe add in one or two Goblin Arsonist.
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Trust me, if your choice is between Jace in the mail or a girl in your bed, take the girl and wait for Jace to rotate. Even when you lose in bed, you still win...kinda.
I did add a bit of black for a couple builds, but mainly for SB options, like Earwig Squad. It is big enough for the MD, but it doesn't attack some decks as efficiently as Zo-Zu (Zoo) and Sensation Gorger (Control).
Basically, if you expect a lot of Cascade or Thopter, place it MD.
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what hapend if one or more lord are in table when Murderous Redcap hit the table ?
if im right when 1 lord is in the table murderous deals 3 damage !!!! and more lords is more damage also is agoblin and count has 2 creatures thanks to persist sound good add to the list
maybe -2bolt +2 redcap
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Trust me, if your choice is between Jace in the mail or a girl in your bed, take the girl and wait for Jace to rotate. Even when you lose in bed, you still win...kinda.
Yes, the boost does apply before it's ability resolves. It checks it's power when the ability resolves, so the Lords would pump it. It could be a solid two-of, since it would be a Bolt or more when it comes out, and it has built in CA.
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I'm one of the biggest fan of Redcap, but it would dilute the mana base so bad. Also Bolts serve another function that Redcap cannot cover. It allows you to wipe out a blocker early and swing in with Instigator. This is a critical play at times.
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My initial plan is to outrace them. Otherwise... sideboard Trinisphere?
demolish why?
dozen others all blow up artifacts better.
are all better for land denial, and two of those both synergize with your goblin/shaman plan. also, your 3 drop spot is murderous. how do you plan on racing zoo or other tribal decks? I think you need more early game.
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That could potentially be ingenious lol. Only downside would be our lack of swarming if we don't have instigator out. Thanks, I'll definately test it.
that I Find interesting....since when should what is historically a blazing fast aggro deck have troubles with control? midrange and zoo should be your bane, not slow old control.
yamikiri> what has been your experience with the various control decks? easy, hard?
Credit to DolZero for this awesome sig!
Control is easy if you land and connect with a Warren, because it allows you to do a large amount of damage that they can't easily stabilize from. If you don't have Warren, try to land a Sensation Gorger or Blood Moon ASAP, with more emphasis on the Gorger. One trigger from the Gorger and you can dismantle nearly any control decks plans, forcing them to discard key cards (Tezz, Hex, Foundry, etc).
You also need to play smart. Hold onto your rituals if you can, and stick to casting one creature each turn, holding onto Chieftain and Bushwhacker. Doing this allows you to smash in for a lot of unexpected damage.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
No Simian Spirit Guide alongside Rite? I've been testing this deck alot and Lightning Bolt is actually overrated in this deck and you want to accelerate into an Instigator/Blood Moon/Sensation Gorger as soon as possible. Don't get me wrong the extra reach is nice, but I've found on several occasions a bolt in hand and wanting it to be a goblin.
On the Other hand i REALLY like Zo-Zu and I've been tampering with my deck to try and fit him in main, to no avail yet.
Heres what I've been working on so far:
4 Goblin Guide
4 Goblin Bushwhacker
2 Bloodmark Mentor
4 Mogg War Marshal
4 Warren Instigator
4 Goblin Chieftain
3 Goblin King
3 Sensation Gorger
3 Siege-Gang Commander
4 Simian Spirit Guide
Other Spells:7
4 Rite of Flame
3 Blood Moon
Land:18
13 Mountain
3 Tectonic Edge
2 Ghost Quarter
4 Stingscourger
3 Dead//Gone
3 Pithing Needle
3 Shattering Spree
2 Zo-Zu the Punisher
The deck has been testing out very well lately and can pretty much outrace any deck with the swarm factor of all the token generators (SCG and War Marshal). The one downside I've been seeing isn't so much mana screwing myself opening hand, as it is mana flooding myself and expecting a couple playables in the first few turns. However, I can see the problems with my manabase, although i haven't really come across it much, because I'm either hitting my Blood Moon early, making them mountains anyways, or they've been coming late game for me where I've established my manabase.
The Sideboard is very versitile, Dead/Gone for Dark Depths. Stingscourger for things like zoo, hypergenesis, and maybe even dredge(don't pay echo). Shattering Spree for all things artifacts. Pithing Needle is a swiss army knife of possibilities and Zo-Zu is just a monster against the format its not even funny, so he's in there because i can't fit him in the main.
I may end up taking out a mogg war marshal for a 3rd bloodmark mentor, because he is kinda bananas as well.
Comments are appreciated
The one thing to remember is that the token is also Legendary, so you can't cheat two of them out with a Warren.
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Credit to DolZero for this awesome sig!
He'd be great if the token weren't legendary
Credit to DolZero for this awesome sig!
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and it is also risky if you play tuktuk the explorer when a tuktuk the returned is still in play. its an auto 2 for 1 for the opponent when tuktuk the explorer dies, putting into the battlefield another legendary tuktuk the returned. maybe 2 tuktuk the explorer would be sufficient main deck.
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4 Rite of Flame
4 Goblin Bushwhacker
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Goblin Guide
2 Dragon Fodder
4 Warren Instigator
4 Mogg War Marshal
3 Goblin King
3 Shared Animosity
3 Sensation Gorger
3 Seige-Gang Commander
3 Dead/Gone4 Stingcourger
4 Shattering Spree
4 Molten Rain
for budget reason im playing without blood moon, but shared animosity is AWESOME... ok you just beleive me when you got 5or6 piledriver attacking you. Bloodmark mentor is not in the deck because i consider i need more token possible to make big fatty creature so i play dragon fooder (shared animosity's obligation lol)
if you have any comment on the choice of card... don't be too hard on me
Standard: GWRU 4C Collected Company
Modern: GUWRB Bloom Titan
Legacy: BUG SHARDLESS BUG
EDH :
GR BORBORYGMOS ENRAGED
GU PRIME SPEAKER ZEGENA
UWR ZEDRUU THE GREATHEARTED
UBR MISHRA ARTIFICER PRODIGY
B SHEOLDRED WHISPERING ONE
R ASHLING THE PILGRIM
Overall, the list is really solid, but it wouldn't hurt to get a hold of some Jitte's. I would replace the two Dragon Fodder with them, so that you would have an even better game against Zoo. Don't worry to much about the cost of the Jitte, because you will literally use them forever. It is just one of the cards that will always be good.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
4 Goblin Guide
4 Goblin Bushwhacker
4 Warren Instigator
3 Seiman Spirit Guide
2 Tuktuk the Explorer
4 Goblin Chieftain
3 Goblin King
2 Zo-Zu the Punisher
3 Sensation Gorger
3 Seige Gang commander
3 Lightning Bolt
3 Blood Moon
4 Rite of Flame
Land
18 Mountain
4 Incinerate
1 Lightning Bolt
4 Smash to Smithereens
3 Dragon's Claw
3 Pithing Needle
I think you personally have to run Tuktuk. It allows back breaking plays like. T1 Instigator. T2 Swing, put down Seige Gang and Tuktuk, Sac Tuktuk eot to remove a blocker and swing for 17 on T3 if you drop a lord.
T3 27 damage if you kick a bushwacker and drop a lord off the Instigator. Yeah it's a god hand but totally possible.
We may also need to think about adding in Goblin Arsonist. It's like a gimped Fanatic but better then the recently gimped Fanatic
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
4 Goblin Guide
4 Goblin Bushwhacker
4 Warren Instigator
4 Seiman Spirit Guide
2 Tuktuk the Explorer
4 Goblin Chieftain
3 Goblin King
2 Zo-Zu the Punisher
3 Sensation Gorger
3 Seige Gang commander
2 Lightning Bolt
3 Blood Moon
4 Rite of Flame
Land
18 Mountain
3 Incinerate
2 Lightning Bolt
4 Smash to Smithereens
3 Dragon's Claw
3 Pithing Needle
This list looks better and is performing pretty well.
this deck has super explosive start is deck of my dreams , really i like T1 Warren Instigator, or T1 Zo-Zu the Punisher,
there are a R/b list some were?
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Basically, if you expect a lot of Cascade or Thopter, place it MD.
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I love the Blood Moon + Goblin King combo. OOPS, you gotz Mountainz! LOL
Also Earwig Squad is so full of LOLZ.
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if im right when 1 lord is in the table murderous deals 3 damage !!!! and more lords is more damage also is agoblin and count has 2 creatures thanks to persist sound good add to the list
maybe -2bolt +2 redcap
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