I am just floored by this decision! Wow Wotc! Wow!
I support the ban for Sword and Hypergenesis even if there was no great change in blocks. Those two cards were poised to destroy all creativity for the next ext no matter how you slice it.
However, taking away so many blocks in one move is a big kick in the pants. I'm used to ext format changing gradually, with maybe one deck rotating per season. That's entirely gone now. There will be a whole new format, but with only four blocks instead of seven, many decks will rotate each year. All the more cards to buy, eh Wizards?
I wonder if the Rav Duals will be back in Scars? Wizards said a while ago that they did not intend to let them rotate from ext, but now they have. We shall see.
Well with all those changes all the actual tier1 decks are DEAD.... no more dredge, do more thopter meek no more dark depths hexmage and no more hypergenesys... so only control faeries and zoo??????????????? too bad.... really too bad wizard.... i'm starting hate you....
I wish it was just fae and zoo. But with the rotation of the shock lands zoo is officially dead, the deck loses way too much to be viable. Fae will be the deck to beat in this upcomming extended season (as of right now that is). Also, why is swords banned? i mean it just rotated out of extended. Are there extended tournaments and stuff still going on on mtgo?
I never thought Wizards could do something that would make me hate Magic, but there they go, doing the last thing you expected.
I never played Standard due to the low card selection, so they are now forcing it on me? What reasoning do they have with this? Most players liked the ability to pick up cards that weren't good when they came out, and finding a new use with them. That was fun. But they removed that. They removed the one thing that made Extended fun.
Card selection doesn't mean much when a few decks completely dominate the format. Sure, extended had really interesting sideboard options but I'd much rather any Standard investment doesn't instantly invalidate itself when it rotates.
It sucks now but time will tell. My biggest fear is just how much of an impact Lorywn tribal will have on the format.
Oh good, now Extended will be standard for the past 2 years all over again. We have to live with Fae, Jund and Elves stomping all over the format. Merfolk can't even get in because LoA is gone too.
How exactly does Zoo stay in the format? It lost everything.
No more Blood Moon seems like a very bad thing for Extended right now.
I intend to speak with the other extended mod (Kijin) about changes we can implement to this forum in the wake of this news.
On a personal note, I find this change to be entirely unwelcome. Wizards could have easily boosted extended turnout if they gave it more articles and/or allowed for major extended events more often.
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This latest B&R announcement from Wizards is a spectacular decision, for a variety of reasons. Apart from radically changing a format months before a premier-level event in that format, Wizards has made Extended a wholly approachable format for the player looking to enter into competitive play seriously, where previously it was not. In addition, this move stands to make Standard staples relevant for a longer period of time, and should improve the health of the Extended environment as a whole. Hence, this move is overall beneficial for the health of the game, and certainly does not signify its destruction, death, or any other such apocalyptic pronouncements.
First, as a spectator of the game at its highest level, this shake-up has completely altered the kind of tournament that we are going to see in Amsterdam. The loss of dozens of staples of the Old Extended, including but not limited to: Dark Depths, Shocklands, Spell Snare, Mana Leak, and others promises to proved a fresh, new tournament format to explore. It seems like many of the posts on this site are focused only on the extended format as it will exist after the rotation of Time Spiral (TS) block, as evidenced by numerous posts about the non-existence of Blood Moon effects, the rotation of Tarmogoyf, etc, etc. This is likely due to the fact that most players will not be interested in playing in Extended until the October rotation occurs. This attitude overlooks the very important fact that a [I]major, premiere-level[/I] tournament will be taking place before this rotation occurs, Pro Tour Amsterdam, which will feature 10 rounds of this "New Extended", as well as a Top 8 which will be Extended (this tournament will also feature Magic 2011 draft). Notwithstanding the fact that few of the Magic-playing population will be competing at this tournament, the very existence of such an upheaval, months before the tournament, promises to be a spectacle worth watching.
It is clear that many previous posters are content to brush off the new metagame that will exist (either in Amsterdam or afterward, in next years' qualifier season) as, "Standard 2.0" - a monstrous amalgam of the three or four boogeymen from the last four years (Faeries, Jund, 5CC, etc), but this opinion is shortsighted, and lazy. Undoubtedly, these decks will be powerful, but the simple fact that these decks now have to exist in a different context than when they existed in Standard provides for the possibility that other strategies will exist to attack them. Not to mention the fact these standard decks of yore will now have to compete with [I]each other[/]. What is the Jund/Faeries matchup look like, when Blightnings and Bitterblossoms are thrown against each other, and BBE cascades into Volcanic Fallout or Great Stable Stag? When Mistbind Clique gets Terminated, when turn 2 Bitterblossom gets met with Maelstrom Pulse? The answers to these questions are not academic, and will likely play out over hours of playtesting. In addition, there exist countless possibilities for other strategies to attack these former Standard powerhouses. It is unfair to the format, and unfair to the professional players of this game, to simply assume that this entire format has already been figured out, less than 24 hours after we know of its existence.
In addition to providing a new format for players to explore (a decision which was cemented by the brilliant bannings), this New Extended promises to be more approachable for the player who is just entering into game, competitively. Upon entering the game, a player learns of the formats which are available to him, and he almost universally enjoys the concept of Limited Magic. He do not need to have a vast card pool to compete, and the cards that he acquires, whether through draft or sealed, he gets to keep. Then, he learns about how Constructed Magic works at the tournament level. Maybe he has built decks before, but never with such restrictions. He learns that only the newest cards are allowed in the most popular environment, Standard, and he sees a natural evolution from drafting or playing sealed with a set, to acquiring cards with which he can build his Standard deck. When he learns about the rotation of sets, he feels a little slighted, because he can no longer play with some of his cards. This is usually the first time he is made aware of the Extended format. But, it is clearly not for him.
The “Old Extended” format stretched back seven years in time. For a player just starting, that is a mountain of cards to learn about, think about, and acquire. Even if a player started by buying a complete set of the full standard environment, such as buying 4x Sets of Alara Block, Zendikar Block, and M10, he would still be missing out on: Mirrodin Block, Kamigawa Block, Ravnica Block, Time Spiral Block, Lorwyn/Morningtide Block and Base Sets moving back to 8th Edition. Considering the prices of staples, and the fact that the burgeoning player is not able to play limited, or get much return out of his investment, due to the low amount of Extended tournaments, and many players simply say, “Extended is not for me” and forget about it completely, except for occasional spectator events.
This new structure, however, provides a much smaller window for the new player. In this situation, it would not be unimaginable for a very good Standard deck to port over into a competitive Extended deck just by making a few additions. Imagine attempting to take one of the best Standard decks now, and port it into Old Extended. Jund gets crushed, repeatedly. U/W Control lacks the speed. Next Level Bant and its cantripping creatures get run over by Tarmogoyf, better counterspells, and lightning-fast 20/20’s. However, in the new format, each of these decks stands a competitive chance, although they are clearly far from ideal, and could use some tweaking. The very fact that a more limited cardpool makes the format more approachable is a major feature of this new format.
Unfortunately, many people have been taken by surprise by this announcement, and they are left with a number of Old Extended Staples which will soon lose value due to not being available in the New Extended. Much of the complaints seen in the previous comments seem to be of this nature. While it is unfortunate, and perhaps even unfair that WotC has reduced the value of a number of cards at once, instead of gradually, as would have happened through natural rotation, the fact remains that every single card which is purchased can be viewed as an investment. Some investments go very well (ask anyone who bought Dual lands when they were $20 each, or Jace TMS when he started out at $30), and some go poorly. Almost all cards will depreciate in value over time, and you take a certain amount of risk regardless of what kind of deck you attempt to put together. These sort of things have happened before. Imagine finally putting together your perfect Academy Deck, or you finally got the last piece of Raffinity so that you don’t have to keep losing at the PTQs, only to discover the next day that your deck was invalidated by a recent banning, and the cards you acquired are bound to depreciate. This format shift is similar, but on a much larger scale. The fact that many players thought that Ravnica Duals or Dark Depths or other Old Extended staples were a fine investment, and are understandably upset by the recent changes, does not invalidate the fact that those cards would have lost value over time regardless, and that risks were associated with having such faith in their current value.
In conclusion, these changes to the Extended environment will prove to be tumultuous, yet ultimately beneficial. Undoubtedly, it will cause many players to become upset with the loss of value accompanied by it. However, the shift will also increase the player pool of Extended, will add new dimensions to the metagame, and will provide interesting challenges to deckbuilders, both professional and amateur. Personally, I just came back to the game around the time of M10, so I own very few cards that are Extended-legal, but not Standard-legal, and this new format is more inviting that the previous one. I believe that I am not going to be the only person who feels this way, and with the droves of new players itching to use their Shards block cards after October decide to give Extended a try, the game of Magic will benefit greatly from this recent decision.
It literally is just type 2 with better card slots. We're mad because all of the synergy and interactions between cards have been removed in favor of the creatures+removal style that standard decks are based around. in all honesty, with so few sets legal and the lack of innovation the most recent standard sets have allowed for (all the cards are pretty much straight forward) all you're going to see is a bunch of type 2 decks with better cards in certain slots and old type 2 decks that are using newer cards. that's pretty much it. there's nothing to differentiate this from other standards.
remember when martyr proc was standard legal? or dragonstorm? or wildfirevore? or even CBtop for like 2 months? those were the old days, now it's all about creatures and killing those creatures. wizards has said it themselves, and now they've turned extended into standard 2.0.
that's why we're mad; they're forcing the modern interpretatin of standard-esque play on us.
The extremes of magic, like fast aggro decks, long game control decks, prison decks and combo decks have been eliminated almost entirely in Standard magic and it seems like that is the next direction for Extended.
Diversity? Sure there are lots of various mid-range decks but Wizards/Hasbro/corporate big man is pushing us to one archetype only formats.
Understand, Dredge is not really a Magic: The Gathering deck. When a card is playable in it, it doesn't mean it's a tournament playable card. It means it's playable in whatever crazy fantasy world that Dredge operates in.
Everything said is true, except for the "interesting new meta"...
Dudes, we've seen faes, 5cc, jund, elves and all their friends for the last 4 years... What's interesting about seeing them one against another"? to see them adapt? sorry but, who cares... There were new ideas, new decks, new archetypes. Now we have a big T2. It may be good for the new players (but, on the other hand, we could even say that people won't lose time in a format so similar to T2, they simply will remain playing T2...) but it's horrible for old players, casual/semi pros, people that can't play eternal formats.
I'm all for seeing Standard decks throughout the ages compete against one another, and I'm even more excited to see them evolve in a broader context like the "New Extended." I remember Peter Jahn considered writing a series of articles on just such an event, where Affinity meets Psychatog meets Faeries.
That being said, I don't think any of the Standard decks from Lorwyn have been gone long enough for me to miss them. Instead of it being cool and nostalgic, I'm afraid it's just going to be a glorified "more of the same" environment.
In short, I really have mixed feelings about this announcement. Fortunately, I don't have a lot of money tied up in Extended, but it really sucks for those who did invest in Wizards' somewhat fickle policies.
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That makes the format "inexpensive" and easy to grab stuff you need to play. (which is a good thing)
You know, Jace 2.0, Reflecting Pool, Cryptic Command, Gideon Jura, and Vengevine will be anything but "inexpensive."
Jund and Faeries will collide, it will be interesting as hell. But faeries will domain at the end.
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It's pretty obvious to me that WotC WANTS to kill Extended AND Legacy to make room for the new "Super Extended" format (Masques-block and forward).
What doesn't make sense to me, however, is the unbanning of Grim Monolith in Legacy. The card is VERY obviously broken. I'm glad I paid $6 for the one for my Cube a few weeks ago.
Absolutely right. Most of these are more expensive than goyf is right now.
My guess is that those too expensive cards will get a little boom (again) on the price tag. If everyone plays the same prices go up, without question.
Good point. With a new set of players buying Standard-legal cards, it will likely make that format more expensive as well.
Understand, Dredge is not really a Magic: The Gathering deck. When a card is playable in it, it doesn't mean it's a tournament playable card. It means it's playable in whatever crazy fantasy world that Dredge operates in.
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Why? I've read you reasons radicaleucalyptus and I disagree. I have a feeling that Wizards is breaking the format to allow newer players to expand faster at the loss of older players.
Think of Magic like a big pool, you like to swim in it an play and splash around and have fun. Standard is like the 3 ft. deep pool where if you are new to the game you can only drown if you have no help or fall asleep in the water. Extended was like the 5-6 ft. deep part of the pool where you actually got to enjoy more room to swim. No imagine that pool only has a 3ft. and 4ft. area to swim in. Not fun, lame.
They've removed all the counters that they hated, Mana Leak, Remand, Spell Snare, and now I'm going to deal with this crap? Screw this. I'm playing Legacy Extend RIP you are definitely dead to me.
The most important part of this announcement was that this "new" extended would be WPN eligible. That means your FNM may start running this format if it gets enough support.
I do expect the Overextended format, however I think WotC is concerned that it won't get enough players if extended isn't getting them.
I for one, will miss shocks and TSP block, but I won't miss having to shell $60 ea for Goyfs to play extended.
Elspeth fanboys will now have a place to play her in thier token decks again.
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Probably the best criticism of the move - if it comes to pass (I'm not going to assume that the speculative predictions are accurate) is the prediction that it will create another environment with the same style as Standard.
I'm a Standard partisan in the sense that it's the style of Magic I like to play. I like having creatures interacting on the board in meaningful ways. I like crunching the numbers of combat math. I like that lower card quality drives deck weaknesses.
But more than the things I like about Standard, I like that Magic is a diverse game; I like that it supports multiple play styles. And I think it will have lost something if the gameplay that makes up Extended right now is just gone, and Extended becomes just like Standard.
Probably the best criticism of the move - if it comes to pass (I'm not going to assume that the speculative predictions are accurate) is the prediction that it will create another environment with the same style as Standard.
I'm a Standard partisan in the sense that it's the style of Magic I like to play. I like having creatures interacting on the board in meaningful ways. I like crunching the numbers of combat math. I like that lower card quality drives deck weaknesses.
But more than the things I like about Standard, I like that Magic is a diverse game; I like that it supports multiple play styles. And I think it will have lost something if the gameplay that makes up Extended right now is just gone, and Extended becomes just like Standard.
Standard has become nothing more than a mid-range slugfest. I am not looking forward to Extended becoming a mid-range slugfest.
Understand, Dredge is not really a Magic: The Gathering deck. When a card is playable in it, it doesn't mean it's a tournament playable card. It means it's playable in whatever crazy fantasy world that Dredge operates in.
well...i have finally accepted the fact that the people in charge of wizards are just plain stupid. plain and simple.
i dont think i will pick up another extended deck again.
standard sucks right now, and i can't afford to get duals or FoWs so bye bye wizards going off to play EDH.
honestly its like wizards is super desperate for us to buy new packs, and the only way to make us do it is to slowly chop away at other formats until everything besides standard is utterly stupid and unplayable.
wizards basically just said " hey you guys remember the old standard...the one where faeries always won in? yeh, its coming back. Oh and extended doesn't exist anymore."
they were complaining that extended had not so great attendance...now it'll probly drop to just scraping the barrel.
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I am also slightly more interested in this new extended. I never played extended EVER but I am wanting to play it with Cryptic Command and Thoughtseize with Ultimatum and wondering how that fairs off. Seems fun though. Now I need 2 more Commands and 3 more Thoughtseize to make it happen.
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I support the ban for Sword and Hypergenesis even if there was no great change in blocks. Those two cards were poised to destroy all creativity for the next ext no matter how you slice it.
However, taking away so many blocks in one move is a big kick in the pants. I'm used to ext format changing gradually, with maybe one deck rotating per season. That's entirely gone now. There will be a whole new format, but with only four blocks instead of seven, many decks will rotate each year. All the more cards to buy, eh Wizards?
I wonder if the Rav Duals will be back in Scars? Wizards said a while ago that they did not intend to let them rotate from ext, but now they have. We shall see.
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I wish it was just fae and zoo. But with the rotation of the shock lands zoo is officially dead, the deck loses way too much to be viable. Fae will be the deck to beat in this upcomming extended season (as of right now that is). Also, why is swords banned? i mean it just rotated out of extended. Are there extended tournaments and stuff still going on on mtgo?
Card selection doesn't mean much when a few decks completely dominate the format. Sure, extended had really interesting sideboard options but I'd much rather any Standard investment doesn't instantly invalidate itself when it rotates.
It sucks now but time will tell. My biggest fear is just how much of an impact Lorywn tribal will have on the format.
How exactly does Zoo stay in the format? It lost everything.
No more Blood Moon seems like a very bad thing for Extended right now.
On a personal note, I find this change to be entirely unwelcome. Wizards could have easily boosted extended turnout if they gave it more articles and/or allowed for major extended events more often.
Faeries has done more with less.
This latest B&R announcement from Wizards is a spectacular decision, for a variety of reasons. Apart from radically changing a format months before a premier-level event in that format, Wizards has made Extended a wholly approachable format for the player looking to enter into competitive play seriously, where previously it was not. In addition, this move stands to make Standard staples relevant for a longer period of time, and should improve the health of the Extended environment as a whole. Hence, this move is overall beneficial for the health of the game, and certainly does not signify its destruction, death, or any other such apocalyptic pronouncements.
First, as a spectator of the game at its highest level, this shake-up has completely altered the kind of tournament that we are going to see in Amsterdam. The loss of dozens of staples of the Old Extended, including but not limited to: Dark Depths, Shocklands, Spell Snare, Mana Leak, and others promises to proved a fresh, new tournament format to explore. It seems like many of the posts on this site are focused only on the extended format as it will exist after the rotation of Time Spiral (TS) block, as evidenced by numerous posts about the non-existence of Blood Moon effects, the rotation of Tarmogoyf, etc, etc. This is likely due to the fact that most players will not be interested in playing in Extended until the October rotation occurs. This attitude overlooks the very important fact that a [I]major, premiere-level[/I] tournament will be taking place before this rotation occurs, Pro Tour Amsterdam, which will feature 10 rounds of this "New Extended", as well as a Top 8 which will be Extended (this tournament will also feature Magic 2011 draft). Notwithstanding the fact that few of the Magic-playing population will be competing at this tournament, the very existence of such an upheaval, months before the tournament, promises to be a spectacle worth watching.
It is clear that many previous posters are content to brush off the new metagame that will exist (either in Amsterdam or afterward, in next years' qualifier season) as, "Standard 2.0" - a monstrous amalgam of the three or four boogeymen from the last four years (Faeries, Jund, 5CC, etc), but this opinion is shortsighted, and lazy. Undoubtedly, these decks will be powerful, but the simple fact that these decks now have to exist in a different context than when they existed in Standard provides for the possibility that other strategies will exist to attack them. Not to mention the fact these standard decks of yore will now have to compete with [I]each other[/]. What is the Jund/Faeries matchup look like, when Blightnings and Bitterblossoms are thrown against each other, and BBE cascades into Volcanic Fallout or Great Stable Stag? When Mistbind Clique gets Terminated, when turn 2 Bitterblossom gets met with Maelstrom Pulse? The answers to these questions are not academic, and will likely play out over hours of playtesting. In addition, there exist countless possibilities for other strategies to attack these former Standard powerhouses. It is unfair to the format, and unfair to the professional players of this game, to simply assume that this entire format has already been figured out, less than 24 hours after we know of its existence.
In addition to providing a new format for players to explore (a decision which was cemented by the brilliant bannings), this New Extended promises to be more approachable for the player who is just entering into game, competitively. Upon entering the game, a player learns of the formats which are available to him, and he almost universally enjoys the concept of Limited Magic. He do not need to have a vast card pool to compete, and the cards that he acquires, whether through draft or sealed, he gets to keep. Then, he learns about how Constructed Magic works at the tournament level. Maybe he has built decks before, but never with such restrictions. He learns that only the newest cards are allowed in the most popular environment, Standard, and he sees a natural evolution from drafting or playing sealed with a set, to acquiring cards with which he can build his Standard deck. When he learns about the rotation of sets, he feels a little slighted, because he can no longer play with some of his cards. This is usually the first time he is made aware of the Extended format. But, it is clearly not for him.
The “Old Extended” format stretched back seven years in time. For a player just starting, that is a mountain of cards to learn about, think about, and acquire. Even if a player started by buying a complete set of the full standard environment, such as buying 4x Sets of Alara Block, Zendikar Block, and M10, he would still be missing out on: Mirrodin Block, Kamigawa Block, Ravnica Block, Time Spiral Block, Lorwyn/Morningtide Block and Base Sets moving back to 8th Edition. Considering the prices of staples, and the fact that the burgeoning player is not able to play limited, or get much return out of his investment, due to the low amount of Extended tournaments, and many players simply say, “Extended is not for me” and forget about it completely, except for occasional spectator events.
This new structure, however, provides a much smaller window for the new player. In this situation, it would not be unimaginable for a very good Standard deck to port over into a competitive Extended deck just by making a few additions. Imagine attempting to take one of the best Standard decks now, and port it into Old Extended. Jund gets crushed, repeatedly. U/W Control lacks the speed. Next Level Bant and its cantripping creatures get run over by Tarmogoyf, better counterspells, and lightning-fast 20/20’s. However, in the new format, each of these decks stands a competitive chance, although they are clearly far from ideal, and could use some tweaking. The very fact that a more limited cardpool makes the format more approachable is a major feature of this new format.
Unfortunately, many people have been taken by surprise by this announcement, and they are left with a number of Old Extended Staples which will soon lose value due to not being available in the New Extended. Much of the complaints seen in the previous comments seem to be of this nature. While it is unfortunate, and perhaps even unfair that WotC has reduced the value of a number of cards at once, instead of gradually, as would have happened through natural rotation, the fact remains that every single card which is purchased can be viewed as an investment. Some investments go very well (ask anyone who bought Dual lands when they were $20 each, or Jace TMS when he started out at $30), and some go poorly. Almost all cards will depreciate in value over time, and you take a certain amount of risk regardless of what kind of deck you attempt to put together. These sort of things have happened before. Imagine finally putting together your perfect Academy Deck, or you finally got the last piece of Raffinity so that you don’t have to keep losing at the PTQs, only to discover the next day that your deck was invalidated by a recent banning, and the cards you acquired are bound to depreciate. This format shift is similar, but on a much larger scale. The fact that many players thought that Ravnica Duals or Dark Depths or other Old Extended staples were a fine investment, and are understandably upset by the recent changes, does not invalidate the fact that those cards would have lost value over time regardless, and that risks were associated with having such faith in their current value.
In conclusion, these changes to the Extended environment will prove to be tumultuous, yet ultimately beneficial. Undoubtedly, it will cause many players to become upset with the loss of value accompanied by it. However, the shift will also increase the player pool of Extended, will add new dimensions to the metagame, and will provide interesting challenges to deckbuilders, both professional and amateur. Personally, I just came back to the game around the time of M10, so I own very few cards that are Extended-legal, but not Standard-legal, and this new format is more inviting that the previous one. I believe that I am not going to be the only person who feels this way, and with the droves of new players itching to use their Shards block cards after October decide to give Extended a try, the game of Magic will benefit greatly from this recent decision.
The extremes of magic, like fast aggro decks, long game control decks, prison decks and combo decks have been eliminated almost entirely in Standard magic and it seems like that is the next direction for Extended.
Diversity? Sure there are lots of various mid-range decks but Wizards/Hasbro/corporate big man is pushing us to one archetype only formats.
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No Ravnica Duals. (unless they make it to a MXX set)
No Goyf in October.
That makes the format "inexpensive" and easy to grab stuff you need to play. (which is a good thing)
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I'm all for seeing Standard decks throughout the ages compete against one another, and I'm even more excited to see them evolve in a broader context like the "New Extended." I remember Peter Jahn considered writing a series of articles on just such an event, where Affinity meets Psychatog meets Faeries.
That being said, I don't think any of the Standard decks from Lorwyn have been gone long enough for me to miss them. Instead of it being cool and nostalgic, I'm afraid it's just going to be a glorified "more of the same" environment.
In short, I really have mixed feelings about this announcement. Fortunately, I don't have a lot of money tied up in Extended, but it really sucks for those who did invest in Wizards' somewhat fickle policies.
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You know, Jace 2.0, Reflecting Pool, Cryptic Command, Gideon Jura, and Vengevine will be anything but "inexpensive."
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What doesn't make sense to me, however, is the unbanning of Grim Monolith in Legacy. The card is VERY obviously broken. I'm glad I paid $6 for the one for my Cube a few weeks ago.
Good point. With a new set of players buying Standard-legal cards, it will likely make that format more expensive as well.
Oi.
For me, I'm now considering playing Extended for the first time.
It's a name-only transition.
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I have recently switched to strictly casual, so all I play is Cube and casual decks. I'm really glad I made that decision now.
Both decks were pretty sweet last year. Jund was its prime last year, but I'm not sure how LOR-ALA Jund would fare against TSP-LOR Fae.
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Why? I've read you reasons radicaleucalyptus and I disagree. I have a feeling that Wizards is breaking the format to allow newer players to expand faster at the loss of older players.
Think of Magic like a big pool, you like to swim in it an play and splash around and have fun. Standard is like the 3 ft. deep pool where if you are new to the game you can only drown if you have no help or fall asleep in the water. Extended was like the 5-6 ft. deep part of the pool where you actually got to enjoy more room to swim. No imagine that pool only has a 3ft. and 4ft. area to swim in. Not fun, lame.
They've removed all the counters that they hated, Mana Leak, Remand, Spell Snare, and now I'm going to deal with this crap? Screw this. I'm playing Legacy Extend RIP you are definitely dead to me.
I do expect the Overextended format, however I think WotC is concerned that it won't get enough players if extended isn't getting them.
I for one, will miss shocks and TSP block, but I won't miss having to shell $60 ea for Goyfs to play extended.
Elspeth fanboys will now have a place to play her in thier token decks again.
I'm a Standard partisan in the sense that it's the style of Magic I like to play. I like having creatures interacting on the board in meaningful ways. I like crunching the numbers of combat math. I like that lower card quality drives deck weaknesses.
But more than the things I like about Standard, I like that Magic is a diverse game; I like that it supports multiple play styles. And I think it will have lost something if the gameplay that makes up Extended right now is just gone, and Extended becomes just like Standard.
Standard has become nothing more than a mid-range slugfest. I am not looking forward to Extended becoming a mid-range slugfest.
Modern:
Something new every week
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i dont think i will pick up another extended deck again.
standard sucks right now, and i can't afford to get duals or FoWs so bye bye wizards going off to play EDH.
honestly its like wizards is super desperate for us to buy new packs, and the only way to make us do it is to slowly chop away at other formats until everything besides standard is utterly stupid and unplayable.
wizards basically just said " hey you guys remember the old standard...the one where faeries always won in? yeh, its coming back. Oh and extended doesn't exist anymore."
they were complaining that extended had not so great attendance...now it'll probly drop to just scraping the barrel.
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