My take on Ben not going in is that he ended up being the protector of the island when Hurley got done. Otherwise, I agree with Azmod. This is after everyone who was on the island died, their spirits hung on until everyone who was important to them all had passed. I think that they did the best with what they had gotten themselves into. I definitely don't feel like I have wasted 6 years of my life watching the show, as I am sure that at least half of you do.
I don't know why I expected to understand the ending. I had no idea what was going on for the rest of the show.
So was the flash sideways universe the afterlife or something? If so why was Hugo, Rosa, Bernard, lynus, etc there. They aren't dead. And if this take place after all the events transpire and they have died to other causes, where is Walt?
Jack's dad told him that the place they were in had no time, or something like that. Some had died before Jack, others would die after him. The point being, they would all "move on" together.
All in all, I was satisfied. I loved seeing all (most of) the characters back together again. Yeah, not all the questions got answered. But:
1) I much prefer a nebulous ending, to how some shows end by giving out an "official" explanation that sucks.
2) I never really felt the show really recovered from Seasons 1 and 2 anyway.
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I can't believe so many people don't understand the ending. I was just on the TWOP boards and half the posts where people who weren't paying attention.
I liked it. For all of the surviving characters it felt like their character arcs had come to completion.
Kate stopped being selfish. Sawyer learned to accept the things around him and become a better person in the end. Ben let go of all the pain and anger he gained from the dissapointments in his life. Hurley finally found purpose in his life.
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My take on Ben not going in is that he ended up being the protector of the island when Hurley got done. Otherwise, I agree with Azmod. This is after everyone who was on the island died, their spirits hung on until everyone who was important to them all had passed. I think that they did the best with what they had gotten themselves into. I definitely don't feel like I have wasted 6 years of my life watching the show, as I am sure that at least half of you do.
My take is, the reason he didn't go in is because he couldn't pass on to heaven for all the things he did in his life. He is doomed to purgatory that was the sideways stuff.
While the ending was obviously poignant and moving, I felt like it was..cheap, somehow. To learn that them blowing up the bomb(and Juliet dying in the process, etc) accomplished absolutely nothing was lame. They used the better part of last season setting up the 'blow up the bomb to stop this from ever happening'.
And also..there was no reason for Jack to go back and replug the hole. It accomplished absolutely nothing whatsoever. Literally zero. Yes, the island survived..but this doesn't actually mean anything, because the island doesn't serve any apparent relevant purpose. It feels like the whole season(and possibly last season also!) had no real purpose.
It's funny that someone earlier specifically said that he 'doesn't feel like he wasted 6 years of his life watching this show'. Because..that is exactly how I feel. From the start of the show, they just kept giving us more questions, kept creating more plot. Much of it didn't make sense. But we had faith that, in the end, it would. But it didn't. The 'explanation' creates as many questions as it answers. Like..why was Miles in the 'flash-sideways'..but then wasn't in the church? Where were Charlotte, Daniel, etc at the end? How did Elouise(might be misspelled) know what was really happening? And so on.
Mostly, they really didn't resolve the flash-sideways at all. It's like they couldn't figure out what to actually do with it, so they took the easiest route possible. It was a complete cop-out, and I feel like they owed us better. It was just so cheesy and ridiculous. I doubt that Lindeloff nor Cuse will ever make another television show, but if they do, I will never watch it. I was planning on buying the 'complete blu-ray set' that will eventually come out, but, that will never, ever happen now. I feel cheated beyond explanation.
I loved the finale but agree that it left allot of questions unanswered. In the end, I feel that many of those questions just don't need to be answered.
While the ending was obviously poignant and moving, I felt like it was..cheap, somehow. To learn that them blowing up the bomb(and Juliet dying in the process, etc) accomplished absolutely nothing was lame. They used the better part of last season setting up the 'blow up the bomb to stop this from ever happening'.
Faraday said it best: "What happened, happened." They were powerless to change it. Faraday was wrong when he suggested that they could change the variables; his death proved that much, as did the present timeline at season six's start. The flash sideways was a tease, I admit, but a playful enough one that I'm ultimately entertained by it.
And also..there was no reason for Jack to go back and replug the hole. It accomplished absolutely nothing whatsoever. Literally zero. Yes, the island survived..but this doesn't actually mean anything, because the island doesn't serve any apparent relevant purpose. It feels like the whole season(and possibly last season also!) had no real purpose.
What do you mean "There was no reason?" Without the light, the plug doesn't work and ultimate evil seeps into the world. He was finishing his job. There were people guarding the island before a smoke-monster existed, because men will always covet the light. All of this was explained in the Jacob and Esau episode.
It's funny that someone earlier specifically said that he 'doesn't feel like he wasted 6 years of his life watching this show'. Because..that is exactly how I feel. From the start of the show, they just kept giving us more questions, kept creating more plot. Much of it didn't make sense. But we had faith that, in the end, it would. But it didn't. The 'explanation' creates as many questions as it answers. Like..why was Miles in the 'flash-sideways'..but then wasn't in the church? Where were Charlotte, Daniel, etc at the end? How did Elouise(might be misspelled) know what was really happening? And so on.
Daniel wasn't in the church because Elouise asked Desmond not to take him. Charlotte would have likely been with Daniel. The theme here is that the reunion is mostly for those that were interwoven into the early storyline; while Miles and crew became integral characters over the last few seasons, they didn't endure the lifespan of the island adventure and thus weren't present at the final gathering. Elouise knows what's happening for the same reason Christian does, I presume. I just don't think it's that important.
Mostly, they really didn't resolve the flash-sideways at all. It's like they couldn't figure out what to actually do with it, so they took the easiest route possible. It was a complete cop-out, and I feel like they owed us better. It was just so cheesy and ridiculous. I doubt that Lindeloff nor Cuse will ever make another television show, but if they do, I will never watch it. I was planning on buying the 'complete blu-ray set' that will eventually come out, but, that will never, ever happen now. I feel cheated beyond explanation.
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The flash sideways was dumb, and the way that it worked out, feels like it was nothing more than meaningless content to fill time. Seriously, it makes zero sense in entirety. They could have literally not included it, and have Jack died at the end and still see all of his friends, and they all still move on together. Without a pointless ****-tease of an 'alternate reality'. And like..why did Juliet say 'it worked' when she was dying? What worked? Blowing up the bomb didn't do anything except put them back into the present, which is not what they were trying to do. And in the scene at the end..why did Claire have a baby with her?
Saying that Faraday wasn't there because his mom 'didn't want him to be' doesn't track at all, because the flash sideways wasn't actually..anything.
And there is no way for Jack to know that 'ultimate evil' will seep into the world if he doesn't put the plug back into place..if he knew that, he never would have sent Desmond down the hole to begin with.
Ultimately, I hoped that the flash-sideways would redeem the writing behind this story. Instead, in my estimation, it doomed it. It just felt like they couldn't come up with any kind of concise/logical ending, so they took the easy 'you're actually all dead and just finding each other!' out. But the way that it went down just didn't work. For me anyway. The series was plagued with bad/inconsistent writing, and I fervently hoped that they would correct this at the end. But they just didn't.
I understand that some people will be satisified with/like the ending. That's fine I would disagree, because it takes more than a cheap emotional pull for me to be satisfied..but that's just me. But I don't see anyone can argue that it is consistent with the plot of the show, or even well-written. Because it simply was not.
That was incredible. Easily the most moving finale I have seen in a long time (maybe ever). They had to do a lot of things right to make it not suck, and they struck a lot of the right notes. Covering minor, series-ongoing plot points like Christian and his coffin, Ben's murder of Locke, "see you in another life, brother", etc. There was a lot of attention to detail. The ending had to be a bit ambiguous, with the way the series was. I thought it ended on a very fitting note though, with Jack's eyes closing just the way they had opened in S1.
My take on what happened:
The island timeline is reality. The flash-sideways are a sort of purgatory (I know, they've said the survivors aren't in purgatory on the island), where people relive their lives unaware, until everyone is together. When they start having flashes back to the island, they "remember" their prior lives, and realize that they are dead. Jack, being the stubborn guy he is, is simply the last person to accept this fact.
This ending is really the only semi-happy way to resolve the series. Considering that 3/4s of the cast has died, even defeating the smoke monster and saving the Island is not "enough" of a resolution to justify the deaths of so many of the characters throughout the season. They needed the "ascend to heaven" angle to show that, in the end, things are right.
At the naysayers: I suppose you have to look at the show from a character-driven perspective. Mythology-wise, yes, there are glaring plot holes, and we still don't know the MIB's name, although it's irrelevant. And no, we don't know why or what the smoke monster does, or why Walt has powers, etc. In terms of character growth and resolution though, it has been a tremendous ride, and while the happy happy ending is a bit sappy, I really liked the final scene.
Overall, bravo. It was well done, and my tuesday nights will be empty without this show.
Man, it really was a good ending. Probably the best ending I've seen in a show. It all just sorta came together, leaving you emotional, happy of course. I have been watching this show on and off, I don't think I really watched very much of the last two seasons (4 and 5). I still remember watching the first season, good memories. It's always the shows that stick around for a while that hit you the hardest, you know what I mean? 6 years and it ended wonderfully. Funny thing is, my family and I were coming up with idea's as to what had happened/was happening, we thought of the fact that they were all dead. It seemed much less likely to be true as the series progressed though. Still wonderful ending. Probably in my top 3/top 5 shows/movies I've seen. I'll still have the second season of clannad as my top, but Lost was superb.
Man, I'm disappointed. I'm not sure how I wanted them to wrap it up, or how they could have wrapped it up, but... that's not what I wanted.
There are still SO many things we don't know about. What's with all the Egyptian stuff on the Island? Why the hell couldn't Esau get off? What's with the numbers? Was the Island really important at all? Gah...
"Esau couldn't get off the island because it was Jacob's game and Jacob's rules that no one could leave the island. Hurley and Ben covered that at the end of the plugging the hole scene
The ending was TOO cute and cuddly, and tried to just sum up the past 6 years in nostalgia, rather than finish a story they've been telling for 6 years
The ending was awful, seriously, they told us YEARS ago they wouldn't end it with
anternate reality or of the sorts
But they still did, and leading up to this episode I was CONVINCED they'd make it a decent woah ending, but they just made a SUPRISE (ending here) in the last 10 minutes after reuniting every character ever.
Also, i might be biased on this subject, seeing as i never got my vincent flashback episode
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I must have missed it but when did they reveal the man in black's name?
Also, while I have many questions unanswered, the thing that stuck out to me when they were all gathered in the end was why was Aaron still a baby?
But anyway, I loved this show...it took me a few hours but I loved ending as well. Easily my favorite non-sitcom TV show of all time. I got really attached to the characters. Going to miss this show.
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I think most people who disliked it are wishing they'd've explained every little bit of the mythos or story behind the show.
But ultimately, it had to be a show about the characters, because that's what Network television ultimately has to do in this day & age. (Writers think) viewers want emotional catharsis & 'happy ending' over all. Even on a show like LOST. Oh well..
Personally, I would've liked a lot more explanation of the mythos, but I'm still ok with how they ended it. Was sad to see Jack die but it was kinda nice how they brought everything full-circle.
It did *kinda* spend way too much time patting itself on the back. "Ooh, look, adoring audience, at all the fun times we've been through together with these characters over the last 6 years..." When 'a phenomenon' begins writing 'the phenomenon' into the storyline for dramatic effect, it comes across as rather shallow if you ask me.
And at all the folks saying this is the best ending any TV show ever had, you really need to go check out a show named 'Six Feet Under' sometime. No. Contest.
I really wish almost all the cast members continued success in Hollywood but, if I'm honest, I'd say that I worry a little about the guy who plays Hugo's chances. Which is unfortunate, really. He was one of my favorite characters. Please don't become permanent GenCon fixtures (and nothing more) like so many others before you.
Seriously, did any of these actors win Emmy's for their work on LOST? I think some of them really should! Some powerful performances..'specially this season.
So, was it just me, or did they show some bodies when they were rolling the credits?
I don't see what I got out of that in the rest of your all's posts, but it seemed to imply that they all originally died in the plane crash. Which would mean all of the events on the island was simply them in purgatory, or serving as pawns for Jacob to prove a point to the man in black.
And at all the folks saying this is the best ending any TV show ever had, you really need to go check out a show named 'Six Feet Under' sometime. No. Contest.
Seriously, did any of these actors win Emmy's for their work on LOST? I think some of them really should! Some powerful performances..'specially this season.
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Six Feet Under is by far my #1. I can't hear Breathe Me by Sia w/o crying.
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I never saw any bodies? Where and what condition were they in.
The main problem I am having (as far as understanding) is at what point did they actaully die? The original crash or various times on the island + Jughead?
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so awesome, still drying my red eyes from all the tears. THIS. WAS. BEAUTIFUL.
All in all, I was satisfied. I loved seeing all (most of) the characters back together again. Yeah, not all the questions got answered. But:
1) I much prefer a nebulous ending, to how some shows end by giving out an "official" explanation that sucks.
2) I never really felt the show really recovered from Seasons 1 and 2 anyway.
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While the ending was obviously poignant and moving, I felt like it was..cheap, somehow. To learn that them blowing up the bomb(and Juliet dying in the process, etc) accomplished absolutely nothing was lame. They used the better part of last season setting up the 'blow up the bomb to stop this from ever happening'.
And also..there was no reason for Jack to go back and replug the hole. It accomplished absolutely nothing whatsoever. Literally zero. Yes, the island survived..but this doesn't actually mean anything, because the island doesn't serve any apparent relevant purpose. It feels like the whole season(and possibly last season also!) had no real purpose.
It's funny that someone earlier specifically said that he 'doesn't feel like he wasted 6 years of his life watching this show'. Because..that is exactly how I feel. From the start of the show, they just kept giving us more questions, kept creating more plot. Much of it didn't make sense. But we had faith that, in the end, it would. But it didn't. The 'explanation' creates as many questions as it answers. Like..why was Miles in the 'flash-sideways'..but then wasn't in the church? Where were Charlotte, Daniel, etc at the end? How did Elouise(might be misspelled) know what was really happening? And so on.
Mostly, they really didn't resolve the flash-sideways at all. It's like they couldn't figure out what to actually do with it, so they took the easiest route possible. It was a complete cop-out, and I feel like they owed us better. It was just so cheesy and ridiculous. I doubt that Lindeloff nor Cuse will ever make another television show, but if they do, I will never watch it. I was planning on buying the 'complete blu-ray set' that will eventually come out, but, that will never, ever happen now. I feel cheated beyond explanation.
I am so disappointed right now. Blah.
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The flash sideways was dumb, and the way that it worked out, feels like it was nothing more than meaningless content to fill time. Seriously, it makes zero sense in entirety. They could have literally not included it, and have Jack died at the end and still see all of his friends, and they all still move on together. Without a pointless ****-tease of an 'alternate reality'. And like..why did Juliet say 'it worked' when she was dying? What worked? Blowing up the bomb didn't do anything except put them back into the present, which is not what they were trying to do. And in the scene at the end..why did Claire have a baby with her?
Saying that Faraday wasn't there because his mom 'didn't want him to be' doesn't track at all, because the flash sideways wasn't actually..anything.
And there is no way for Jack to know that 'ultimate evil' will seep into the world if he doesn't put the plug back into place..if he knew that, he never would have sent Desmond down the hole to begin with.
Ultimately, I hoped that the flash-sideways would redeem the writing behind this story. Instead, in my estimation, it doomed it. It just felt like they couldn't come up with any kind of concise/logical ending, so they took the easy 'you're actually all dead and just finding each other!' out. But the way that it went down just didn't work. For me anyway. The series was plagued with bad/inconsistent writing, and I fervently hoped that they would correct this at the end. But they just didn't.
I understand that some people will be satisified with/like the ending. That's fine I would disagree, because it takes more than a cheap emotional pull for me to be satisfied..but that's just me. But I don't see anyone can argue that it is consistent with the plot of the show, or even well-written. Because it simply was not.
That was incredible. Easily the most moving finale I have seen in a long time (maybe ever). They had to do a lot of things right to make it not suck, and they struck a lot of the right notes. Covering minor, series-ongoing plot points like Christian and his coffin, Ben's murder of Locke, "see you in another life, brother", etc. There was a lot of attention to detail. The ending had to be a bit ambiguous, with the way the series was. I thought it ended on a very fitting note though, with Jack's eyes closing just the way they had opened in S1.
My take on what happened:
The island timeline is reality. The flash-sideways are a sort of purgatory (I know, they've said the survivors aren't in purgatory on the island), where people relive their lives unaware, until everyone is together. When they start having flashes back to the island, they "remember" their prior lives, and realize that they are dead. Jack, being the stubborn guy he is, is simply the last person to accept this fact.
This ending is really the only semi-happy way to resolve the series. Considering that 3/4s of the cast has died, even defeating the smoke monster and saving the Island is not "enough" of a resolution to justify the deaths of so many of the characters throughout the season. They needed the "ascend to heaven" angle to show that, in the end, things are right.
At the naysayers: I suppose you have to look at the show from a character-driven perspective. Mythology-wise, yes, there are glaring plot holes, and we still don't know the MIB's name, although it's irrelevant. And no, we don't know why or what the smoke monster does, or why Walt has powers, etc. In terms of character growth and resolution though, it has been a tremendous ride, and while the happy happy ending is a bit sappy, I really liked the final scene.
Overall, bravo. It was well done, and my tuesday nights will be empty without this show.
The ending was awful, seriously, they told us YEARS ago they wouldn't end it with
But they still did, and leading up to this episode I was CONVINCED they'd make it a decent woah ending, but they just made a SUPRISE (ending here) in the last 10 minutes after reuniting every character ever.
Also, i might be biased on this subject, seeing as i never got my vincent flashback episode
But anyway, I loved this show...it took me a few hours but I loved ending as well. Easily my favorite non-sitcom TV show of all time. I got really attached to the characters. Going to miss this show.
I think most people who disliked it are wishing they'd've explained every little bit of the mythos or story behind the show.
But ultimately, it had to be a show about the characters, because that's what Network television ultimately has to do in this day & age. (Writers think) viewers want emotional catharsis & 'happy ending' over all. Even on a show like LOST. Oh well..
Personally, I would've liked a lot more explanation of the mythos, but I'm still ok with how they ended it. Was sad to see Jack die but it was kinda nice how they brought everything full-circle.
It did *kinda* spend way too much time patting itself on the back. "Ooh, look, adoring audience, at all the fun times we've been through together with these characters over the last 6 years..." When 'a phenomenon' begins writing 'the phenomenon' into the storyline for dramatic effect, it comes across as rather shallow if you ask me.
And at all the folks saying this is the best ending any TV show ever had, you really need to go check out a show named 'Six Feet Under' sometime. No. Contest.
I really wish almost all the cast members continued success in Hollywood but, if I'm honest, I'd say that I worry a little about the guy who plays Hugo's chances. Which is unfortunate, really. He was one of my favorite characters. Please don't become permanent GenCon fixtures (and nothing more) like so many others before you.
Seriously, did any of these actors win Emmy's for their work on LOST? I think some of them really should! Some powerful performances..'specially this season.
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I don't see what I got out of that in the rest of your all's posts, but it seemed to imply that they all originally died in the plane crash. Which would mean all of the events on the island was simply them in purgatory, or serving as pawns for Jacob to prove a point to the man in black.
Either way, it annoyed the crap out of me.
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The main problem I am having (as far as understanding) is at what point did they actaully die? The original crash or various times on the island + Jughead?
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