So, I just came from Tumblr, and after digging deep down I decide to come here and open this debate.
Is our society slowly starting to develop some sort of "heterophobia"? Why do I ask this?
Ok, so here's the story. Spending some time "studying" Tumblr and actually taking part on the blogs, I found out that hostility towards people who disagrees with homosexuals (read this carefully, I'm talking about disagreeing with the ideas of some homosexuals regarding fandoms and such, NOT with homosexuality) are immediately crucified by LGBT and Heterosexuals alike.
"Shipping" (a term used when a part of the fandom creates romantic pairings between characters)is a big deal on Tumblr, and believe it or not it actually affects how some media developers alter the flow of their stories; thanks to "shippers" The Legend of Korra's main character became a lesbian and popular animated show Adventure Time got its own hold of LGBT characters. However shipping now seems to be only limited to gay relationships and any sort of heterosexual ship is immediately attacked and labeled as homophobic.
Also, using the word "homosexual" with a homosexual is now considered an insult, according to many posts I've seen on said blog.
So, I think stuff is getting out of hand with this whole issue of agreeing or not with gay individuals on even the tiniest stuff, and it seems they have all the right to call straight people "*****" if they disagree.
I know Tumblr isn't the collective consciousness of America, that Homophobia is still a big deal and that not every LGBT individual acts this way, but the examples of aggression and fanaticism witnessed on tumblr makes me think how far we are willing to go, specially considering this whole thing seems to be expanding outside of pairing cartoon characters to actually becoming some sort of inquisitive social movement. We're living on a day and age where all sort of hatred seems to be justified and as a country USA is going thru a lot right now (Against religions, against skin colors, against sexual identities, etc) and it seems we like to turn a blind eye when IDK, white racism or heterophobia are real stuff maybe?
So, I just came from Tumblr, and after digging deep down I decide to come here and open this debate.
Is our society slowly starting to develop some sort of "heterophobia"? Why do I ask this?
Ok, so here's the story. Spending some time "studying" Tumblr and actually taking part on the blogs, I found out that hostility towards people who disagrees with homosexuals (read this carefully, I'm talking about disagreeing with the ideas of some homosexuals regarding fandoms and such, NOT with homosexuality) are immediately crucified by LGBT and Heterosexuals alike.
"Shipping" (a term used when a part of the fandom creates romantic pairings between characters)is a big deal on Tumblr, and believe it or not it actually affects how some media developers alter the flow of their stories; thanks to "shippers" The Legend of Korra's main character became a lesbian and popular animated show Adventure Time got its own hold of LGBT characters. However shipping now seems to be only limited to gay relationships and any sort of heterosexual ship is immediately attacked and labeled as homophobic.
Also, using the word "homosexual" with a homosexual is now considered an insult, according to many posts I've seen on said blog.
So, I think stuff is getting out of hand with this whole issue of agreeing or not with gay individuals on even the tiniest stuff, and it seems they have all the right to call straight people "*****" if they disagree.
I know Tumblr isn't the collective consciousness of America, that Homophobia is still a big deal and that not every LGBT individual acts this way, but the examples of aggression and fanaticism witnessed on tumblr makes me think how far we are willing to go, specially considering this whole thing seems to be expanding outside of pairing cartoon characters to actually becoming some sort of inquisitive social movement. We're living on a day and age where all sort of hatred seems to be justified and as a country USA is going thru a lot right now (Against religions, against skin colors, against sexual identities, etc) and it seems we like to turn a blind eye when IDK, white racism or heterophobia are real stuff maybe?
What do you think?
First and foremost, you're drawing your distinction from an incredibly narrow group of people.
You said you understand Tumblr isn't the collective consciousness of America. But there's a difference between merely knowing it as some abstract acknowledgement and emphasizing it.
There are thousands of subcultures on the internet, each of them with their own peculiarities and commonalities. It's not uncommon for many subcultures to share similarities or even ideologies with other subcultures.
We here at MTGS are well supplanted in the nerd community, but we're not the same as the gamer community, the cosplay community, the anime community, the comic book community, the star trek & star wars communities.
There's a good deal of crossover between the subcultures, but there's a good deal of differences as well. I cosplay, I goto conventions, so I'm pretty well supplanted in the cosplay community as well.
Let me tell you this, If I were to draw my life conclusions solely from the cosplay community, I would probably agree with you. Same goes for the anime/fandom community which Im aware of. I would also tell you about the epidemic of fat shaming, and cosplay is not consent movements. As a member of the magic community, I would say I have no idea what you're talking about. Magic players are generally gay friendly, but I haven't seen some of the open hostility that cosplayers seem to exude. In other words, yes I can see members of cosplay community actually exuding open hostility towards heterosexuals.
As a member of the legal community, since I'm a lawyer as well, I'd have to say I'm so far removed from what you're talking about that your mere suggestion is baffling.
As a member of the fountain pen community (yes there is one, FPN is the fountain pen network), I can also say I am so far removed from your assessments that once again, it sounds like you're talking gibberish.
As a member of the gamer community since I quakelive competitively, I would say I dont see anything to the extent you're claiming it to be.
There's no real way to emphasize to you how narrow the tumblr community is until you join and become a part of many other subcultures/communities. But I hope the above illustration should help to emphasize to you why I wouldn't put too much weight on drawing conclusions from any small subset of people.
The thing you need to understand is that the opinions of SJWs do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the rest of the world. Or, you know, sane people.
I've met some genderfluid/nonbinary people who weren't interested in me because I identify as hetero, despite gender being a social construct. I don't know, it seemed contradictory and closed-minded.
Regardless, I'd take anything that hardcore tumblr people say with a grain of salt. Social Justice Warriors are becoming far more prevalent in this society (and we're seeing a lot of latent misandry as a result, IMO, which is subsequently misidentified as feminism, which is an entirely separate problem) and I think it's a bit disgusting, honestly. Why can't people just be people and let others have their opinions? They preach tolerance but they're intolerant of people who don't share their views and somehow don't see a problem with that. Hypocrisy at its finest. Double standards are never okay.
Just my 2 cents' worth. If I say anything else, I'll get too ramble-y and angry and the walls of text will come out.
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I think I should rename this topic then, what you just pointed out is by far more interesting and has a broad spectrum we can discuss.
This so called and self serving social justice that's becoming common, specially on the newest generations. Teens and young adults craving to identify themselves labeling themselves and defending what they believe is right not because it's something they truly believe in, but to defend their own ego; and it's actually hurting our society as you pointed out.
Those people I found out during my Tumblr adventures were acting on the verge of religious fanatism...
Sounds about right, yeah. I don't understand the need to label oneself in such a manner. Is it really that important to them to maintain the segregation they're fighting against?
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What legit reasons do you think the tumblr kids have to be angry?
Well, it's not like racism, sexism, and homophobia don't actually exist, and haven't actually affected innocent people's lives dramatically for the worse. That there's a problem isn't even a question. The question is what the rational and humane response is. (And the answer is, of course, "Anything but whining about it on Tumblr.")
Way to go with what you said about young people nowadays.
Young people discussing TV series and video games seems fairly normal. Discussing relationships also seems fairly normal for young people. I'm not sure what bothers you about the conversation.
As for tumblr kids having no reason to be angry, as BS pointed out (via a double negative that threw me for a moment ) racism, sexism, homophobia are all actual things; heterophobia, as of now, isn't. Homosexual people can't even be happy about being explicitly represented in their favourite RPG without having someone roll up and complain about the 'gay ideology'; reference to heterosexuality in an RPG doesn't bring people swooping down to complain about the 'straight ideology'.
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As for tumblr kids having no reason to be angry, as BS pointed out (via a double negative that threw me for a moment ) racism, sexism, homophobia are all actual things; heterophobia, as of now, isn't. Homosexual people can't even be happy about being explicitly represented in their favourite RPG without having someone roll up and complain about the 'gay ideology'; reference to heterosexuality in an RPG doesn't bring people swooping down to complain about the 'straight ideology'.
Let's be fair. There are seven billion people on this planet. You can find someone who will make this complaint. (Probably on Tumblr.) Saying this mindset doesn't exist is misleading and potentially alienating for someone who has encountered it. The point to be made here is that it is rare and lacks mainstream currency.
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As for tumblr kids having no reason to be angry, as BS pointed out (via a double negative that threw me for a moment ) racism, sexism, homophobia are all actual things; heterophobia, as of now, isn't. Homosexual people can't even be happy about being explicitly represented in their favourite RPG without having someone roll up and complain about the 'gay ideology'; reference to heterosexuality in an RPG doesn't bring people swooping down to complain about the 'straight ideology'.
Let's be fair. There are seven billion people on this planet. You can find someone who will make this complaint. (Probably on Tumblr.) Saying this mindset doesn't exist is misleading and potentially alienating for someone who has encountered it. The point to be made here is that it is rare and lacks mainstream currency.
You're right, my bad.
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I understand that part, but what I see on the conversation is a lesbian woman immediately getting offended because a straight guy didn't agree with her.
I mean, people can't also expect their specific demographics to be represented in every single kind of media when they're still a minority. And we shouldn't lie; the media is WAY more open with homosexuality, in fact, it's hard to find a newly produced TV series without at least 2 homosexual characters. This goes for american produced games as well.
What legit reasons do you think the tumblr kids have to be angry?
Well, it's not like racism, sexism, and homophobia don't actually exist, and haven't actually affected innocent people's lives dramatically for the worse. That there's a problem isn't even a question. The question is what the rational and humane response is. (And the answer is, of course, "Anything but whining about it on Tumblr.")
Right, and I recognize this. I was more poking at the fact that 90% (totally not made up statistic ) of tumblr kids have NOT faced this kind of oppression, living in a free society, and are just hormonal, awkward teenagers looking for a cause to champion to feel like they belong somewhere. Sure, discrimination exists against ALL KINDS of people. But, as you stated - what's the point of *****ing about it on tumblr? You can argue that it raises awareness, but what good is that without action?
Believe it or not, as a white male in America, I grew up as a minority - I was raised in a ghetto *****hole in Georgia, and people were cruel to me for no reason other than the fact that I looked different from them, and maybe acted a bit differently, as well. I was very well-educated by my parents growing up, so I was ostracized for answering questions in class or philosophically bantering with my teachers when we were in a class discussion. Hell, even when I moved to Virginia, people still looked down on me for these things, albeit slightly less so as time passed and they matured.
When I was 10, my friend invited me to his birthday party. He was an Indian kid named Pratik. Well, I was the only non-Indian person he invited over, and all the other kids bullied me the entire time. They all focused their efforts on solely killing me in the video games we were playing, and one kid even went so far as to talk ***** to me, so when I responded by calling him a "*****", he put me in a headlock and called me a "******* cracker" and threatened to tell the parents at the party that I had sworn at him. The rest of the kids joined in and called me a "cracker" for the entirety of the party afterwards. I actually didn't understand what was happening at the time, as I was too young and perhaps too naive to grasp the social connotations of racism. I did, however, feel unwelcome - and it didn't fact that Pratik didn't stick up for me, at all.
When I was in middle school, I was one of perhaps 3 white kids in the entire school, and good god, I got in a lot of fights about it. At least, that's why I assume I was consistently being picked on by everyone who happened to be some degree of dickhole. Given that I fought back, you'd expect they'd have gone for an easier target, if not for some underlying prejudice against me for...hmm, wonder what reason that possibly could have been?
Granted, I managed to silver tongue my way out of every detention, expulsion, and suspension I was given for fighting from elementary school to high school (except for one suspension in my senior year of high school, which I got cut in half), but yeah - public school systems were probably one of my worst life experiences, all-in-all, especially if you take the awful curriculum into consideration. But I digress, that's tangential and an entirely separate issue.
My point is, with all of this, that even middle-class, heterosexual white males can (and will) be discriminated against, and can even be a minority - so I don't get where some punk-ass teenager from the internet has grounds to tell me that my opinion doesn't count because they assume I haven't been through the strife that they're crediting these other demographics with.
I understand that part, but what I see on the conversation is a lesbian woman immediately getting offended because a straight guy didn't agree with her.
I mean, people can't also expect their specific demographics to be represented in every single kind of media when they're still a minority. And we shouldn't lie; the media is WAY more open with homosexuality, in fact, it's hard to find a newly produced TV series without at least 2 homosexual characters. This goes for american produced games as well.
Of course, it begs the question - are they only including them because of protests or to increase sales? If so, do you think supporting these shows for displaying these demographics is a good way to get "the message" out, or does it only hurt it by commercializing it?
Granted, I wouldn't expect most tumblr kids to consider this - they'd just be glad that the media displayed them at all.
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I understand that part, but what I see on the conversation is a lesbian woman immediately getting offended because a straight guy didn't agree with her.
I see two people disagreeing - with an ardor that is laughably disproportionate to the triviality of the subject matter, yes, but without any indication that it has anything to do with the difference in their sexes or sexualities. Two men, or two women, or two straights, or two gays, could easily have that same conversation.
I mean, people can't also expect their specific demographics to be represented in every single kind of media when they're still a minority. And we shouldn't lie; the media is WAY more open with homosexuality, in fact, it's hard to find a newly produced TV series without at least 2 homosexual characters. This goes for american produced games as well.
Why do I get the impression that you're objecting to this? Gay people are a minority, but they're not exactly an endangered species. Estimates of their proportion of the population vary quite a bit, but tend to swing somewhere between 1 in 10 and 1 in 30. In any media with a decently large cast, it's pretty reasonable for somebody to be gay. It's not like every show improbably has an Amish guy because of demands by the sinister Amish Agenda: it's a fair portrait of modern America.
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I don't know if what you are describing is really happening. However, I see similarities between how people openly criticize Catholicism but when Islam is criticized people start tossing around the word Islamophobia.
I don't know if what you are describing is really happening. However, I see similarities between how people openly criticize Catholicism but when Islam is criticized people start tossing around the word Islamophobia.
As someone who A) is a straight white male, B) Spent a little time on Tumblr, and C) dated a Bi lass during my first year in college (Who proceeded to drag me to LGBT meetings), I can say that yes, Tumblr is actually that way, and an unfortunate number of people in LGBT meetings (At my college at least) are very anti hetero.
The gal I was dating would cry havoc if I said I wasn't attracted to some gal because of her appearance, but when she would pick out "Adult Videos" for us to watch she would always go to certain appearances (Typically brunette size 0s) because "She was only attracted to them". That's not hypocritical at all....
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I don't know if what you are describing is really happening. However, I see similarities between how people openly criticize Catholicism but when Islam is criticized people start tossing around the word Islamophobia.
The issue with Islamic criticism is a completely separate topic. I will say that it's usually because they conflate Arabs with Muslims, but we can discuss that in a revived Sam Harris thread or a new thread if you want to go there.
As someone who A) is a straight white male, B) Spent a little time on Tumblr, and C) dated a Bi lass during my first year in college (Who proceeded to drag me to LGBT meetings), I can say that yes, Tumblr is actually that way, and an unfortunate number of people in LGBT meetings (At my college at least) are very anti hetero.
The gal I was dating would cry havoc if I said I wasn't attracted to some gal because of her appearance, but when she would pick out "Adult Videos" for us to watch she would always go to certain appearances (Typically brunette size 0s) because "She was only attracted to them". That's not hypocritical at all....
College activists are almost uniformly hypocrites. They're old enough to realize they should care about social or political issues, but they're not well informed enough or wise enough to know how to handle it. Similar to the majority of tumblr users, actually (and, honestly, the groups probably heavily overlap). This should not be an indictment of any group other than the activists themselves.
I would also say that anecdotes are pretty useless for this discussion, because we've all got contrary experiences or selective memories when it comes to a viewpoint we feel strongly about. Although one gay friend told me they had an evil agenda to deport all heteros from Australia and take over in an move code-named 'Operation Skittles' (taste the rainbow), I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that his viewpoint probably didn't reflect the views of the majority of homosexuals
Look, a lot LGBT people have a rough time of it in Middle and High School. Of course some of them are going to be bitter when they get older. You shouldn't equating frustrated hyperbole with someone real feelings, any more than you can consider a teenager saying 'I wish [so-and-so] would just die!' an actual death threat. Teenagers are hyperbole factories.
I don't know if what you are describing is really happening. However, I see similarities between how people openly criticize Catholicism but when Islam is criticized people start tossing around the word Islamophobia.
The issue with Islamic criticism is a completely separate topic. I will say that it's usually because they conflate Arabs with Muslims, but we can discuss that in a revived Sam Harris thread or a new thread if you want to go there.
I don't really care to discuss the topic, but I still think there are similarities. And people conflate Caucasians with Catholics. I'm not trying to twist the conversation into a debate on religion, but, to me, it seems like an appropriate comparison.
I don't really care to discuss the topic, but I still think there are similarities. And people conflate Caucasians with Catholics. I'm not trying to twist the conversation into a debate on religion, but, to me, it seems like an appropriate comparison.
Also, using the word "homosexual" with a homosexual is now considered an insult, according to many posts I've seen on said blog.
FYI: This is actually a pretty mainstream opinion these days. "Gay" is preferred to "homosexual." Also, using either one as a noun is definitely not preferred. Saying "a homosexual" or "the gays" is seen as disparaging (and gramattically improper) -- I would go with "a gay person" or "gay people" instead. This is a pretty common thing: most black folks don't like to be called "blacks" and many women and girls don't like to be called "females."
and many women and girls don't like to be called "females."
It's not common to call women "females" as opposed to "women," any more than it is common to address a group of people as "humans" as opposed to "people." However, this is an idiomatic nuance, which is a far cry from saying "female" is an insult.
Also, using the word "homosexual" with a homosexual is now considered an insult, according to many posts I've seen on said blog.
FYI: This is actually a pretty mainstream opinion these days. "Gay" is preferred to "homosexual." Also, using either one as a noun is definitely not preferred. Saying "a homosexual" or "the gays" is seen as disparaging (and gramattically improper) -- I would go with "a gay person" or "gay people" instead. This is a pretty common thing: most black folks don't like to be called "blacks" and many women and girls don't like to be called "females."
Latinates like "female" and "homosexual" sound clinical. As if you're classifying an animal rather than describing a person. Anglo-Saxon words have a more human connotation. It's because we have for centuries tended to reserve one vocabulary for science and medicine, and the other for literature and poetry. If our language is crazy enough to have a double lexicon, we might as well put that fact to use, I guess.
I'd advise not to get too uptight about "Xes" vs. "X people", though. It's not grammatically incorrect - nominalized adjectives are a common and absolutely normal feature of the English language. The one little quirk about it is that it doesn't work in the singular. You would never say "a black" or "a gay" any more than you'd say "a rich" or "an Irish". That works in some other languages which nominalize adjectives, such as Latin - but not English.
What can I say? On a rainy island in the north Atlantic, three unremarkable European languages came together and suffered a sea-change into something rich and strange.
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Is our society slowly starting to develop some sort of "heterophobia"? Why do I ask this?
Ok, so here's the story. Spending some time "studying" Tumblr and actually taking part on the blogs, I found out that hostility towards people who disagrees with homosexuals (read this carefully, I'm talking about disagreeing with the ideas of some homosexuals regarding fandoms and such, NOT with homosexuality) are immediately crucified by LGBT and Heterosexuals alike.
"Shipping" (a term used when a part of the fandom creates romantic pairings between characters)is a big deal on Tumblr, and believe it or not it actually affects how some media developers alter the flow of their stories; thanks to "shippers" The Legend of Korra's main character became a lesbian and popular animated show Adventure Time got its own hold of LGBT characters. However shipping now seems to be only limited to gay relationships and any sort of heterosexual ship is immediately attacked and labeled as homophobic.
Also, using the word "homosexual" with a homosexual is now considered an insult, according to many posts I've seen on said blog.
So, I think stuff is getting out of hand with this whole issue of agreeing or not with gay individuals on even the tiniest stuff, and it seems they have all the right to call straight people "*****" if they disagree.
I know Tumblr isn't the collective consciousness of America, that Homophobia is still a big deal and that not every LGBT individual acts this way, but the examples of aggression and fanaticism witnessed on tumblr makes me think how far we are willing to go, specially considering this whole thing seems to be expanding outside of pairing cartoon characters to actually becoming some sort of inquisitive social movement. We're living on a day and age where all sort of hatred seems to be justified and as a country USA is going thru a lot right now (Against religions, against skin colors, against sexual identities, etc) and it seems we like to turn a blind eye when IDK, white racism or heterophobia are real stuff maybe?
What do you think?
First and foremost, you're drawing your distinction from an incredibly narrow group of people.
You said you understand Tumblr isn't the collective consciousness of America. But there's a difference between merely knowing it as some abstract acknowledgement and emphasizing it.
There are thousands of subcultures on the internet, each of them with their own peculiarities and commonalities. It's not uncommon for many subcultures to share similarities or even ideologies with other subcultures.
We here at MTGS are well supplanted in the nerd community, but we're not the same as the gamer community, the cosplay community, the anime community, the comic book community, the star trek & star wars communities.
There's a good deal of crossover between the subcultures, but there's a good deal of differences as well. I cosplay, I goto conventions, so I'm pretty well supplanted in the cosplay community as well.
Let me tell you this, If I were to draw my life conclusions solely from the cosplay community, I would probably agree with you. Same goes for the anime/fandom community which Im aware of. I would also tell you about the epidemic of fat shaming, and cosplay is not consent movements. As a member of the magic community, I would say I have no idea what you're talking about. Magic players are generally gay friendly, but I haven't seen some of the open hostility that cosplayers seem to exude. In other words, yes I can see members of cosplay community actually exuding open hostility towards heterosexuals.
As a member of the legal community, since I'm a lawyer as well, I'd have to say I'm so far removed from what you're talking about that your mere suggestion is baffling.
As a member of the fountain pen community (yes there is one, FPN is the fountain pen network), I can also say I am so far removed from your assessments that once again, it sounds like you're talking gibberish.
As a member of the gamer community since I quakelive competitively, I would say I dont see anything to the extent you're claiming it to be.
There's no real way to emphasize to you how narrow the tumblr community is until you join and become a part of many other subcultures/communities. But I hope the above illustration should help to emphasize to you why I wouldn't put too much weight on drawing conclusions from any small subset of people.
The thing you need to understand is that the opinions of SJWs do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the rest of the world. Or, you know, sane people.
Beat me to it.
I've met some genderfluid/nonbinary people who weren't interested in me because I identify as hetero, despite gender being a social construct. I don't know, it seemed contradictory and closed-minded.
Regardless, I'd take anything that hardcore tumblr people say with a grain of salt. Social Justice Warriors are becoming far more prevalent in this society (and we're seeing a lot of latent misandry as a result, IMO, which is subsequently misidentified as feminism, which is an entirely separate problem) and I think it's a bit disgusting, honestly. Why can't people just be people and let others have their opinions? They preach tolerance but they're intolerant of people who don't share their views and somehow don't see a problem with that. Hypocrisy at its finest. Double standards are never okay.
Just my 2 cents' worth. If I say anything else, I'll get too ramble-y and angry and the walls of text will come out.
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This so called and self serving social justice that's becoming common, specially on the newest generations. Teens and young adults craving to identify themselves labeling themselves and defending what they believe is right not because it's something they truly believe in, but to defend their own ego; and it's actually hurting our society as you pointed out.
Those people I found out during my Tumblr adventures were acting on the verge of religious fanatism...
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
But watch this conversation, I find it sad and hilarious.
http://trigaydakru.tumblr.com/post/118987727155/reminasboy-reminasboy-trigaydakru-i-find
Way to go with what you said about young people nowadays.
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Young people discussing TV series and video games seems fairly normal. Discussing relationships also seems fairly normal for young people. I'm not sure what bothers you about the conversation.
As for tumblr kids having no reason to be angry, as BS pointed out (via a double negative that threw me for a moment ) racism, sexism, homophobia are all actual things; heterophobia, as of now, isn't. Homosexual people can't even be happy about being explicitly represented in their favourite RPG without having someone roll up and complain about the 'gay ideology'; reference to heterosexuality in an RPG doesn't bring people swooping down to complain about the 'straight ideology'.
However, it's understandable. Altering a quote from the extraordinary movie Inherit the Wind slightly makes sense here.
"It is the nature of the internet to comfort the afflicted, and to afflict the comfortable."
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You're right, my bad.
I mean, people can't also expect their specific demographics to be represented in every single kind of media when they're still a minority. And we shouldn't lie; the media is WAY more open with homosexuality, in fact, it's hard to find a newly produced TV series without at least 2 homosexual characters. This goes for american produced games as well.
Oh man, someone's mad on the internet! Get your carpal tunnel bands!
Right, and I recognize this. I was more poking at the fact that 90% (totally not made up statistic ) of tumblr kids have NOT faced this kind of oppression, living in a free society, and are just hormonal, awkward teenagers looking for a cause to champion to feel like they belong somewhere. Sure, discrimination exists against ALL KINDS of people. But, as you stated - what's the point of *****ing about it on tumblr? You can argue that it raises awareness, but what good is that without action?
Believe it or not, as a white male in America, I grew up as a minority - I was raised in a ghetto *****hole in Georgia, and people were cruel to me for no reason other than the fact that I looked different from them, and maybe acted a bit differently, as well. I was very well-educated by my parents growing up, so I was ostracized for answering questions in class or philosophically bantering with my teachers when we were in a class discussion. Hell, even when I moved to Virginia, people still looked down on me for these things, albeit slightly less so as time passed and they matured.
When I was 10, my friend invited me to his birthday party. He was an Indian kid named Pratik. Well, I was the only non-Indian person he invited over, and all the other kids bullied me the entire time. They all focused their efforts on solely killing me in the video games we were playing, and one kid even went so far as to talk ***** to me, so when I responded by calling him a "*****", he put me in a headlock and called me a "******* cracker" and threatened to tell the parents at the party that I had sworn at him. The rest of the kids joined in and called me a "cracker" for the entirety of the party afterwards. I actually didn't understand what was happening at the time, as I was too young and perhaps too naive to grasp the social connotations of racism. I did, however, feel unwelcome - and it didn't fact that Pratik didn't stick up for me, at all.
When I was in middle school, I was one of perhaps 3 white kids in the entire school, and good god, I got in a lot of fights about it. At least, that's why I assume I was consistently being picked on by everyone who happened to be some degree of dickhole. Given that I fought back, you'd expect they'd have gone for an easier target, if not for some underlying prejudice against me for...hmm, wonder what reason that possibly could have been?
Granted, I managed to silver tongue my way out of every detention, expulsion, and suspension I was given for fighting from elementary school to high school (except for one suspension in my senior year of high school, which I got cut in half), but yeah - public school systems were probably one of my worst life experiences, all-in-all, especially if you take the awful curriculum into consideration. But I digress, that's tangential and an entirely separate issue.
My point is, with all of this, that even middle-class, heterosexual white males can (and will) be discriminated against, and can even be a minority - so I don't get where some punk-ass teenager from the internet has grounds to tell me that my opinion doesn't count because they assume I haven't been through the strife that they're crediting these other demographics with.
tl;dr: **** that.
Of course, it begs the question - are they only including them because of protests or to increase sales? If so, do you think supporting these shows for displaying these demographics is a good way to get "the message" out, or does it only hurt it by commercializing it?
Granted, I wouldn't expect most tumblr kids to consider this - they'd just be glad that the media displayed them at all.
I dunno, what's your take on that?
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Why do I get the impression that you're objecting to this? Gay people are a minority, but they're not exactly an endangered species. Estimates of their proportion of the population vary quite a bit, but tend to swing somewhere between 1 in 10 and 1 in 30. In any media with a decently large cast, it's pretty reasonable for somebody to be gay. It's not like every show improbably has an Amish guy because of demands by the sinister Amish Agenda: it's a fair portrait of modern America.
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As someone who A) is a straight white male, B) Spent a little time on Tumblr, and C) dated a Bi lass during my first year in college (Who proceeded to drag me to LGBT meetings), I can say that yes, Tumblr is actually that way, and an unfortunate number of people in LGBT meetings (At my college at least) are very anti hetero.
The gal I was dating would cry havoc if I said I wasn't attracted to some gal because of her appearance, but when she would pick out "Adult Videos" for us to watch she would always go to certain appearances (Typically brunette size 0s) because "She was only attracted to them". That's not hypocritical at all....
College activists are almost uniformly hypocrites. They're old enough to realize they should care about social or political issues, but they're not well informed enough or wise enough to know how to handle it. Similar to the majority of tumblr users, actually (and, honestly, the groups probably heavily overlap). This should not be an indictment of any group other than the activists themselves.
I would also say that anecdotes are pretty useless for this discussion, because we've all got contrary experiences or selective memories when it comes to a viewpoint we feel strongly about. Although one gay friend told me they had an evil agenda to deport all heteros from Australia and take over in an move code-named 'Operation Skittles' (taste the rainbow), I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that his viewpoint probably didn't reflect the views of the majority of homosexuals
Look, a lot LGBT people have a rough time of it in Middle and High School. Of course some of them are going to be bitter when they get older. You shouldn't equating frustrated hyperbole with someone real feelings, any more than you can consider a teenager saying 'I wish [so-and-so] would just die!' an actual death threat. Teenagers are hyperbole factories.
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I don't really care to discuss the topic, but I still think there are similarities. And people conflate Caucasians with Catholics. I'm not trying to twist the conversation into a debate on religion, but, to me, it seems like an appropriate comparison.
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FYI: This is actually a pretty mainstream opinion these days. "Gay" is preferred to "homosexual." Also, using either one as a noun is definitely not preferred. Saying "a homosexual" or "the gays" is seen as disparaging (and gramattically improper) -- I would go with "a gay person" or "gay people" instead. This is a pretty common thing: most black folks don't like to be called "blacks" and many women and girls don't like to be called "females."
Since when, and more importantly, why? That's stupid.
Based on?
It's not common to call women "females" as opposed to "women," any more than it is common to address a group of people as "humans" as opposed to "people." However, this is an idiomatic nuance, which is a far cry from saying "female" is an insult.
I'd advise not to get too uptight about "Xes" vs. "X people", though. It's not grammatically incorrect - nominalized adjectives are a common and absolutely normal feature of the English language. The one little quirk about it is that it doesn't work in the singular. You would never say "a black" or "a gay" any more than you'd say "a rich" or "an Irish". That works in some other languages which nominalize adjectives, such as Latin - but not English.
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