This just makes me wonder, regardless of your faith, do you think there are spiritual ramifications for those that commit suicide?
Personally, I think there are. I'm a Buddhist (raised Catholic) and I've studied the Tibetan alternate realms. I believe that if you chose to end your life, the Karmic damage done to your essence is so strong that you'll be reborn in another realm. I know this sounds like "Hell" to a lot of people, but I think it is escapable which differs in other's views of a "punishment realm."
I'm dearly sorry for your lost, you have my condolences.
Now than, I suppose spiritual ramnification are possible, but that really depends on the individual whom comitted suicide in the first place. If an indiviual beleives that they are to go to an afterlife after death, then their chances of actually going through with suicude are greater, as they hold the notion that they can escape one world to the next.
However spiritual ramnifications can hold the opposite effect, as some religions claim suicide to be wrong, and thus such an action will be punished in the afterlife.
This just makes me wonder, regardless of your faith, do you think there are spiritual ramifications for those that commit suicide?
The fact that one has committed suicide, and the level of emotional self-destruction involved that one would have driven oneself to go down that dark a path.
If you're asking if the person will suffer some horrible ramification after death, no. There is nothing that separates anyone from God, save that which we create for ourselves. A person who has committed suicide has endured pain, horror, and suffering, for he has been in a hell of his own making; of fear, anxiety, guilt, and self-loathing that he has inflicted upon himself. Hell is not a place people go through some sort of spiritual justice or retribution, it is the self-torment we make for ourselves in our own minds.
I believe that everyone after death will meet God, and God will accept everyone into His arms. And in meeting God, in meeting He who is infinite love and goodness and truth, we will see ourselves as we truly are. In God's infinite compassion we will see where our compassion falls short. In God's infinite power and immeasurable size we will see how small we really are. In God's truth, we will see what truths we know and what illusions we have held and created for ourselves. We will each of us face who we are and what we have done in our lives, good or bad, and know how human we truly are.
And in God showing us infinite love and acceptance, we will learn to forgive ourselves of our mistakes, transgressions, and shortcomings, and move on to eternal life in perfect connection with God.
Judaism believes killing yourself is a sin. And each sin in Judaism kills your soul a little more. Contrary to popular belief Jews don't know what happens after death, but the three popular beliefs are: reincarnation, heaven (maybe, but only really holy people ever seem to go there), and resurrection.
Two questions:
1. Can you explain the differences between the ideas on resurrection and the ideas of Heaven?
2. What about Sheol? In modern Judaism, is a belief in Sheol no longer commonplace?
There's no way to know the answer to this question. First, you have to make the enormous assumption that there is something spiritual out there, and that something supernatural persists after death. Obviously, there will be disagreements with these assumptions, but then there will be disagreements between religions as well.
I would agree that this is not really a debatable topic.
It depends heavily on your belief system. Your question implies you believe the spiritual world. Any details about you beliefs, that would help me answer you better.
Judaism believes killing yourself is a sin. And each sin in Judaism kills your soul a little more. Contrary to popular belief Jews don't know what happens after death, but the three popular beliefs are: reincarnation, heaven (maybe, but only really holy people ever seem to go there), and resurrection. All three of these beliefs have some basis in Jewish teachings, but the thought is that if you damage your soul enough those options are denied and you are "exiled" or cease to exist or whatever you want to call it. Suicide is something that will keep you from being buried in a Jewish graveyard, so I imagine Judaism believes thats a soul destroying act. I'm more agnostic about it all, but that's what I was taught to believe.
Reincarnations is a concept wholly unacceptable to the judeo / christian tradition. [EDIT] Ok when I researched it a bit the bible quotes that deny the idea of reincarnation are in the new testament so maybe reincarnation is possible on a Judaism world-view
I myself am a exclusivist when it comes towards salvation I think it's the most healthy stance on salvation from a Christian perspective. I do agree with the quote that sin takes you away from God, but that is the very powerful message that Christianity gives.
That a personal God would intervene in this universe by sending his own son to conquer death so that he that would believe in him would not perish, but gain eternal life. That is the core message of Christianity.
I believe if your friend did give his heart to Christ and gained salvation through him that him committing suicide even though it was sin would not deny him salvation.
You can take solace in the fact.
I do realise that this point is not set in stone among Christians and it further takes a distinct protestant view on salvation, but I think it's the view most supported by scripture.
I'm sorry to here about your loss.
I do not believe that people have "souls" or that there is an "afterlife".
Regaurdless of religion, I do not believe that there are spiritual ramifications for someone who wants to kill their self. Everyone makes choices, no matter what, and those choices shouldn't be condemned. If someone kills someone else, they made the choice, and they will be punished by the law, but when someone kills them self, they didn't hurt anyone else, so why should they be punished?
Again, sorry about your loss.
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This just makes me wonder, regardless of your faith, do you think there are spiritual ramifications for those that commit suicide?
Personally, I think there are. I'm a Buddhist (raised Catholic) and I've studied the Tibetan alternate realms. I believe that if you chose to end your life, the Karmic damage done to your essence is so strong that you'll be reborn in another realm. I know this sounds like "Hell" to a lot of people, but I think it is escapable which differs in other's views of a "punishment realm."
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Now than, I suppose spiritual ramnification are possible, but that really depends on the individual whom comitted suicide in the first place. If an indiviual beleives that they are to go to an afterlife after death, then their chances of actually going through with suicude are greater, as they hold the notion that they can escape one world to the next.
However spiritual ramnifications can hold the opposite effect, as some religions claim suicide to be wrong, and thus such an action will be punished in the afterlife.
My sincerest condolences.
The fact that one has committed suicide, and the level of emotional self-destruction involved that one would have driven oneself to go down that dark a path.
If you're asking if the person will suffer some horrible ramification after death, no. There is nothing that separates anyone from God, save that which we create for ourselves. A person who has committed suicide has endured pain, horror, and suffering, for he has been in a hell of his own making; of fear, anxiety, guilt, and self-loathing that he has inflicted upon himself. Hell is not a place people go through some sort of spiritual justice or retribution, it is the self-torment we make for ourselves in our own minds.
I believe that everyone after death will meet God, and God will accept everyone into His arms. And in meeting God, in meeting He who is infinite love and goodness and truth, we will see ourselves as we truly are. In God's infinite compassion we will see where our compassion falls short. In God's infinite power and immeasurable size we will see how small we really are. In God's truth, we will see what truths we know and what illusions we have held and created for ourselves. We will each of us face who we are and what we have done in our lives, good or bad, and know how human we truly are.
And in God showing us infinite love and acceptance, we will learn to forgive ourselves of our mistakes, transgressions, and shortcomings, and move on to eternal life in perfect connection with God.
Two questions:
1. Can you explain the differences between the ideas on resurrection and the ideas of Heaven?
2. What about Sheol? In modern Judaism, is a belief in Sheol no longer commonplace?
I would agree that this is not really a debatable topic.
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I don't personally think there are, but I also feel I don't know.
sorry about your friend.
Reincarnations is a concept wholly unacceptable to the judeo / christian tradition. [EDIT] Ok when I researched it a bit the bible quotes that deny the idea of reincarnation are in the new testament so maybe reincarnation is possible on a Judaism world-view
I myself am a exclusivist when it comes towards salvation I think it's the most healthy stance on salvation from a Christian perspective. I do agree with the quote that sin takes you away from God, but that is the very powerful message that Christianity gives.
That a personal God would intervene in this universe by sending his own son to conquer death so that he that would believe in him would not perish, but gain eternal life. That is the core message of Christianity.
I believe if your friend did give his heart to Christ and gained salvation through him that him committing suicide even though it was sin would not deny him salvation.
You can take solace in the fact.
I do realise that this point is not set in stone among Christians and it further takes a distinct protestant view on salvation, but I think it's the view most supported by scripture.
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Incorrect. Reincarnation doesn't work with Christianity, but is absolutely compatible with Judaism, as many Jews believe in reincarnation.
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I do not believe that people have "souls" or that there is an "afterlife".
Regaurdless of religion, I do not believe that there are spiritual ramifications for someone who wants to kill their self. Everyone makes choices, no matter what, and those choices shouldn't be condemned. If someone kills someone else, they made the choice, and they will be punished by the law, but when someone kills them self, they didn't hurt anyone else, so why should they be punished?
Again, sorry about your loss.
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