Such a long time gone, such a short time to be there.
that is so fitting for me with these forums. lol
Ok now on topic, here is my dilemna, but first a little back story
When I was growing up, I was abused physically, and mentally. During my highschool years I was locked in my room, and only aloud out for school, and 4 hours to play magic every week. I used alot of Trip because it was the only way out of my room, as well as Weed to keep me calm.
Now, im on probation for grand theft and in drug rehab, Ive been diagnosed with bipolar and schizophrenia (I had a feeling that i was bipolar for sure, and possible schizo) and my PO and Rehab counselor want me to fill these scripts for meds for the bipolar, schizo, and anti-depression.
I dont believe in meds, they are nothing but dirty little conservative mind controllers, and had already decided my destiny in highschool. I think I should continue whats been working, which consists of an ounce of cannabis a day and daily uses of some combination of the following drugs
Mushroioms
Acid
Mescilin
2CB
2CI
GHB
Ketamine
MDMA(just straight mollly, not rolls)
Salvia
I dont want to take the meds, but I would like the opinions of you guys, as you have helped me alot in the past. So the big debate is, should I take the meds and be miserable and hate myself, keep doing the path im on, or take my 18months jail time, and have things sent in for me???
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yeah... your PO wouldn't be able to find out you've posted this, on a forum, considering there is no possible way they can track your net usage...
No. Possible. Way.
Take the meds. You have no way of dosing yourself properly and knowing the basics of what you're dealing with you have a lot of cocktail to mix there to get a desired effect. You also risk some pretty harsh damage with using those drugs in a schizophrenic environment. Speaking from experience, schizophrenics on hallucinogens become pretty far off the scale in comparison to others...
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Ive actually stayed off the trip for the past few months, and only smoked, but i miss it oh yessss I do. Ive done trip so many times its crazy, ive kept track, i have 10,235 hits of acid in my spine, so i do know what im doing with the dosage (i used to run drugs for hippies in HS, thats how someone with nop job eats 25 hits a week) besides im at a friends house right now, its cool i know whats up with PO bs
EDIT: Denver- Like I just said to loonook, ive been long time friends with a "Family" so if i want that family stuff, i just call
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Because what's been working has gotten you far up until now.
I dont want to take the meds, but I would like the opinions of you guys, as you have helped me alot in the past.
I say you do what you think is best for yourself. Though I have to doubt your ability to self-prescribe, it is your choice.
Personally, I'd take whichever path I felt would have the best odds of securing me the possibility of a better future. You had a ****ed up past, don't **** up your own future.
I dont believe in meds, they are nothing but dirty little conservative mind controllers, and had already decided my destiny in highschool.
I really can't respond to this seriously.
I think I should continue whats been working, which consists of an ounce of cannabis a day and daily uses of some combination of the following drugs
Mushroioms
Acid
Mescilin
2CB
2CI
GHB
Ketamine
MDMA(just straight mollly, not rolls)
Salvia
Apparently hasn't been working for you if you're on probation for theft and whatever else you're charged with.
Honestly, I can't say anything serious without the fear of being warned, so I just won't say anything.
I remember at hookahville last year, this kid was running around screaming "Where's the Family stuff, I want that family White Fluff", so they sprayed him with a supersoaker full of white fliuff.
I was using "in my spine" as an analogy, thats how many hits ive taken.
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I can guarantee your condition (whatever it is) will NOT improve as long as you're self-medicating. It's not as cool, it's not as glamorous, it certainly doesn't make a great conversation piece for chicks (or forums)...but it just so happens to be the truth. Let me put it like this: What you're doing is like trying to calm down a fight between two dogs by throwing a cat into the mix.
Prescription medication is created, produced, and prescribed by experts who know what they are talking about. Self-medicating happy pills/pot/whatever are a cheap, quick fix that are prescribed only by you feeling like you need them that give a quick and fake burst of feeling good that destroys your ability to feel that way in the long run. By unstably and artificially inducing those feelings your body slows down or stops the natural production of chemicals to bring about those feelings, meaning you (as it is so cliched and well known now) are no longer taking the drugs to feel good but to feel normal.
Prescribed medication by experts is a long-term and tested solution/fix to a problem. Self-medicated happiness-inducers are illegal, short-term, damaging band-aids for a problem.
Contrary to a lot of the stigmas that are abound in our culture, and not aided by these lunatic scientologists and such, mental problems are not always something you can overcome with willpower. Many mental disorders come from chemical instabilities in the brain, which require drugs in order to correct. Whether or not we turn to medication to readily is up for question, but to fault medication as something that is not needed is wrong.
Honestly I'm with Mortal Wombat. I could honestly say what I feel, but I don't feel like getting banned today.
Having seen the effects of a couple hundred hits in a system, I doubt you've blown upwards of 10 000, unless you are getting some of the worst acid I have ever seen put to sheet, cube, or what have you.
but hey, good luck on parole... it isn't like they don't know your username . . . and couldn't check when you log in, and check your threads... nah, never happen, especially with someone on parole for such offenses...
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I tend to take the side of pharmaceutical companies. Without their pioneer's spirit, our society might still be cursed by polio or small pox or any number of other ailments.
Without pharmaceutical ambition, we may never have cured - nor would we have discovered - jittery leg syndrome.
I say we trust drug companies on the merit of the good things they do, like lobbying political leaders to formulate legislation in a manner that benefits them.
What you need to do is stop doing anything that keeps you in contact with the sort of world where grand theft is something that goes on. That's what you need to do, and as soon as possible. Severing your ties with this "Family" would be a step in the right direction.
How long have you been on your own "system," anyhow? Were you on it during high school? Would that explain the whole knife/fight with the principal thing?
There comes a time when you have to realise that, even though "meds" don't make you feel sweet and happy like your own drugs do, they should probably be taken out of consideration for the great number of people in this world - and in your own world - who are not, in fact, you.
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Prescription medication is created, produced, and prescribed by experts who know what they are talking about. Self-medicating happy pills/pot/whatever are a cheap, quick fix that are prescribed only by you feeling like you need them that give a quick and fake burst of feeling good that destroys your ability to feel that way in the long run. By unstably and artificially inducing those feelings your body slows down or stops the natural production of chemicals to bring about those feelings, meaning you (as it is so cliched and well known now) are no longer taking the drugs to feel good but to feel normal.
Prescribed medication by experts is a long-term and tested solution/fix to a problem. Self-medicated happiness-inducers are illegal, short-term, damaging band-aids for a problem.
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I tend to take the side of pharmaceutical companies. Without their pioneer's spirit, our society might still be cursed by polio or small pox or any number of other ailments.
Without pharmaceutical ambition, we may never have cured - nor would we have discovered - jittery leg syndrome.
I say we trust drug companies on the merit of the good things they do, like lobbying political leaders to formulate legislation in a manner that benefits them.
Agreed, and there's not much else I can say. Illegal drugs are illegal and legal drugs are widely used for a reason.
Honestly I'm with Mortal Wombat. I could honestly say what I feel, but I don't feel like getting banned today.
I'll say it. Washu, you're an idiot.
I don't know what half of those things that you've mentioned are, but you are neither a pharmacist nor a psychiatrist. You should not trust your own judgment, because you don't have the training to medicate yourself, and you're probably also high. Do what your doctor tells you, and get off the weed.
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10K hits of acid, that's really something..I knew a guy that claimed to have done a couple hundred hits over his life time and he could barely function. I have to guess that, if you'd actually done 10K hits, you'd need to be in a straightjacket. Well no, you wouldn't, because you'd just sit around staring at your fingers all day, everyday.
You should try to keep in mind that doing drugs like weed etc. is clearly part of what got you into this in the first place, so logically, continuing to do them isn't going to help matters any.
When you take medication drugs, the important thing is to try to improve your life while you're taking them..through therapy, etc. If you just take meds all of the time and don't try to actually better yourself, you're barely doing yourself any favors.
Even assuming that the street drugs are helping you (which I doubt) they are more dangerous. They aren't regulated and you can't be sure what you have is the same strength as what you took before. They could be cut with other things that you don't know about. And frankly, if it is something like weed where it is just a plant, there is no way to be sure how strong it is, plants vary from each other - sometimes a lot.
Besides all that, unless you have done extensive research into how these drugs interact with each other (good luck finding that out about illegal drugs) you could very well end up taking a combination/dosage that will kill you, or worse yet, destroy your mind and leave you alive. Hell, I don't even change the amount of vitamins I take without doing lots of research. Mom is a nurse, I know what happens when drugs are mixed the wrong way.
Another thing is that bi-polars are well known to self-medicate themselves into a manic state because it 'feels good'. Being in a manic isn't good - trust me, over half of my family is bi-polar, as am I. Do not keep self-medicating! You are only treating the symptoms, and not the problem. In fact you aren't even really treating the symptoms, you are just making yourself think that you are treating something when in fact street drugs just make many mental illnesses worse (bi-polar and schizophrenia both being in that category).
Um, prescription drugs aren't there to make you feel happy - they are to help you live a normal life. No one likes themselves all the time, no one is always happy. Just because I take an anti-depressant doesn't mean I can't still get depressed. It just makes it a lot easy for me to deal with the depression. Medication isn't there to fix things, it's purpose is to make it easier for you to fix yourself. The street drugs are just masking how you feel and what your actual problems are. You need to decide to stop being miserable and hating yourself without your home-made 'solution'. No matter what you take or don't take, you will never improve unless you decide you want to improve and actually work at it. Weed, LSD, Paxil, or Lithium will not magically make everything better - you have to do that yourself. The prescription drugs make that process easier.
Is making yourself improve even with the help of medication easy? Not by a long shot. But it is worth much more then the effort you put into it in the end. Once you start to really make some changes, you'll look back at how you used to be and wonder how you lived that way and why you didn't do something about it sooner.
Pretty much everything posted so far in response to your thread is 100% right. What I have told you is from years of personal experience and watching my family.
Okay, a lot of people here haven't had to deal with this stuff before, and it shows. Sterling's example is pretty heavily proof of this. A lot of the stuff he is dealing with (if he is being relatively cogent, and he named his supplier) is probably around medical grade stuff. Marijuana is a pretty simple thing to maintain, gain samples of, check content, etc. . . . plenty of variance in strain to strain, but a pretty good set of numbers on the rest.
If he is purchasing from a regular agent (which seems to be the case) he is probably receiving well-dosed medication. Also, Erowid is a pretty solid showing for drug interactions.
I've had to deal with a lot of burnouts and drug addicts in my time... life is not as kind to us sometimes as we may like, shall we say. I've brought people off of psychotic trips, treated mild (and one severe) overdose, and been a den papa more than I have liked for adults (and kids) who got thrown at me by various associates. This tells me one of two things: Washu is lying on his dosage unless he has one of the worst dealers of LSD I have ever seen in my existence, and that he has a massively problematic cocktail.
A lot of the people here are speaking from the Truth sort of stuff, and that really sucks... educate yourselves on signs, symptoms, etc. because you never know the day you'll be staring a drug in the face and need to know what to do . . . I'm a likeable guy, and part of a community which takes its drugs very strictly, but I stay out of the scene for the most. I've seen schizophrenics treat themselves quite well with a series of uppers, downers, and psychs . . . but there are streetdocs to assist you in most of this. While I don't advise Washu, and really don't believe a lot he says, I can say there are some people who can do it . . . I don't believe Washu is one of them.
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Pour the substances in, man. Pop three Demerols, down it with a couple shots of tequila, and smoke a fatty. Have at it. Have it all. Drown in a fit of self-pity, drugs, and splendor. You have one life, man. Live it up.
Somehow I doubt this helped.
I think if Washu dislikes taking prescription medications, s/he must have a reason. Believe it or not, psychotropic medicines aren't cure-alls, and they're not without serious adverse effects. And by adverse effects, I don't just mean stomache-aches or sluggishness or minor side effects, but more serious long terms effects.
I used to take a number of different medications, and I didn't like them either.
Psychotropic medicine can keep psychotic and affective disorder symptoms under control. But, a lot of time, it's the same way that a cage keeps a rabid animal under control. The problem doesn't go away, it's just suppressed.
I had a friend who was schizoaffective (much like you, Washu) and she tooks gobs of medicine, in huge doses. They did help mitigate her intense manic episodes and debilitating hallucinations, but she herself noted that the more medicine she took, the less effective it became. She took nearly every medicine there is to take, and developed a tolerance to nearly all of the effective ones.
It's true that some people live just fine taking a regular dose of medication for stuff like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia. For others, it actually decreases their quality of life. And quality of life is most definitely a priority - that's why one takes medication in the first place.
Honestly, I'm for life without medication, which is why I stopped taking mine. I believe that, if possible, it's better to adapt methods of coping with the symptoms and the daily problems without having to use medicine.
But I'm not against medicine, because I realize that it's unrealistic to go without them completely for everyone, especially for people with certain types of psychotic disorders. I think it's possible for most people to learn to adapt to their problem and even mitigate it with their own behavior - but that's not something you learn to do overnight.
Some have told me they'd be lost without medication, and I say if they want to use medication, they should. But if you don't want to, then you don't necessarily have to.
Honestly, you'd know better than me which problems you have and what works for them. However, about self-medication, I agree with what many others have said. Self-medication isn't really wise, namely becase:
1) If something goes wrong, it's harder to discern why, how, or when it went wrong, and it's harder to "backtrack."
2) It's harder to judge the adverse effects so you can properly weigh the risks.
3) Marijuana and LSD tend to have a stronger addictive nature than, say, lithium or anti-psychotics.
4) Illegal drugs can complicate things by bringing the law into if you are discovered with them.
5) The drugs you decide to take probably can help with coping with symptoms. I've heard marijuana is really good for dealing with mania, it's like "anti-manic" medication. That said, they usually do not help in the long term. Long term use of marijuana can impair normal brain functioning, and possibly make your psychotic symptoms worse. To top it off, there's no sure way to tell, so you can't decide with all the appropriate information. Symptoms of marijuana intoxication itself resemble some psychotic symptoms (hallucinations, paranoid delusion, flattened affect).
Washu, if you are against psychotropic drugs, I'd suggest trying to develop methods of coping with them yourself. Take it one day at a time. It won't be easy. It won't be fast. And it will hurt. But if it works for you, it works great, and it never "wears off."
I would suggest you look for another alternative before turning to the drugs you mentioned, as they're not much better than prescription drugs, and are often worse. I'm not claiming to understand your situation, because I know I don't. But my advice would be to search for another way, one that you control, and one that won't come back to bite you in the future.
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But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
Did I claim to be helping? I don't think that I did. Plenty of people already offered him/her solid, sound advice. If that was what he/she was looking for, then by all means, he/she is invited to ignore my words (or to ignore them either way).
Well, no. You don't have to help if you don't want to. I guess I just assumed that you wanted to. I mean, it was clear that your comment was made in frustration, but you know how it is sometimes.
And, honestly, you kind of have a point. Sometimes "permission" helps more than all the advice in the world. If Washu feels like people are trying to control him/her, maybe realizing that really s/he is the one in control will help more than anything, and help him/her make the most beneficial choice.
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All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the light that you see. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to be the peace that you feel. All that I yearn for, for richer or poorer, is to fill your heart on my own.
But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
Sometimes you should look at an ugly toad and realize that it is not a frog prince. You are making me out to be something that I am not. At least not right here and not right now.
My interest in helping is merely to grant him or her the permission that he or she seems to be seeking, not in freeing them from controls, societal or otherwise. The fact is that taking these drugs (and especially these doses) suggests that you have rather gone beyond the pale of societal virtues and values, and that you don't intend to look back.
Well, yes, I did realize you probably weren't intending to "release" Washu in any way, though I implicated such may have been your intent. Rather, what I should have said was that even if that wasn't your intent, it could be the result.
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Rather, I think that a life lived through the mediation of medication is not a life that I would choose to live. So long as it is my choice still, I will choose not to have them. I will not be taking Prozac. I will not be taking Wellbutrin. I will not be taking Buspar. I will not be taking Xanax. I will not, though, be taking LSD. Or marijuana. Or heroin. Or cocaine. Or anything else that alters my perceptions.
Same here. I'd rather not have to be dependant on such substances, if it is up to me.
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But the rainbow is an image of hope for many reasons, as it is a brilliant sight coming out of oftimes dismal weather.
I don't know what half of those things that you've mentioned are, but you are neither a pharmacist nor a psychiatrist. You should not trust your own judgment, because you don't have the training to medicate yourself, and you're probably also high. Do what your doctor tells you, and get off the weed.
Im sure there was a good intention in there somwhere, however. When someone asks for help or advice, especially those who may be on substances that alter their judgement, your point is likely best illustrated by not insulting them. As for good intentions, I'm sure most of us are full of them, including myself, but despite our advice, you should probably seek in-person help from a trained professional.
Now, on to the topic.
I am not claiming to know it all about illegal drugs. I haven't done them myself and do not first-hand know the addiction. I have however know many family members and friends who have had anywhere from light to heavy interactions with illegal drugs. I do know that no god nor man is more powerful that the mind's hold on the mind-altering. Although most illegal drugs are safer than they have been in the past few decades, thay are still not wholy controlled and could be very risky. I have seen the effects of these drugs ruin lives. Usually not the life of the person taking the drugs, but the friends and family or the drug-users. I strongly suggest to any users out there who may be reading this that, if yout for your own sake, seek help for the ones that you love. If you have nobody, feel free to message me.
About the perscribed drugs. Why are they medicating you. They do know you have had problems with drugs in the past right? I personnaly beleive that this is likely to just be adding fuel to the fire. They should probably be starting to analyze your conditions and treating them mentally before trying to medicate them away. Of course, I have seen this problem to be common practice among many doctors. It seems that they too can be lazy enough to not actually care for their patients. If you absolutely cannot function as a normal human being without drugs, either legal or illegal, then there is probably a deeper seed of problems than even your psychiatrists realize. My advice to you is tough, but I think that these questions are best left to a psychiatric professional. You should let a doctor know of all of your history, this would also prove that you are serious and adament about receiving help.
A lot of peple on this board have said that you are not a doctor and that you should not medicate yourself. While that may be true, the truth is that you are not a chemist and you do not know the exact mixtures of the chemicals that you are putting into your body. I would say the real dangers youa re facing is a chemical hidden on one drug that is normally harmless may interact with another drug and for some sort of dangerous or violent chemical reaction that neither you, your dealers, or their suppliers would even be wholly aware of. I'm fairly certain they don't buy other street drugs and mix them to see if it explodes. Sure it would be cool to say, 'hey my stomach is litterally on fire on the inside', but the internal spontaneous combustion leading you to a certain doom would be regrettable.
Lastly, and unfortunately, drugs of some kind will likely always be a problem in your life. Whether it is a want, a need, or a precribed one. For that, I am sad. I have lost (not that they died necessarily) both friend and family to drugs. To see or hear of lives changed negatively by drugs is a harsh reality that I wished that didn't happen.
Schizophrenia and Bi-Polar disorder, damn. I do not understand your self-medicating logic, as many others on this thread have brilliantly discussed. Not only that, but your behavior is dangerous and will cause you serious harm: not if, but when. Both of those disorders can in fact get worse as you age and that mixed with the drug cocktail will do something to you I can only imagine.
Please, please, please do yourself a favor and take the medication. But be forewarned, it will not be a cure all for your life. You are going to have to work out of whatever hole you've dug for yourself. No drug or combination of drugs can do what ultimately you can.
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Wrong.
, however. When someone asks for help or advice, especially those who may be on substances that alter their judgement, your point is likely best illustrated by not insulting them.
You are fairly new to the forums, so you may not know Washu. Insult and sarcasm are his bread and butter. I'm trying to put things in words he'll understand.
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that is so fitting for me with these forums. lol
Ok now on topic, here is my dilemna, but first a little back story
When I was growing up, I was abused physically, and mentally. During my highschool years I was locked in my room, and only aloud out for school, and 4 hours to play magic every week. I used alot of Trip because it was the only way out of my room, as well as Weed to keep me calm.
Now, im on probation for grand theft and in drug rehab, Ive been diagnosed with bipolar and schizophrenia (I had a feeling that i was bipolar for sure, and possible schizo) and my PO and Rehab counselor want me to fill these scripts for meds for the bipolar, schizo, and anti-depression.
I dont believe in meds, they are nothing but dirty little conservative mind controllers, and had already decided my destiny in highschool. I think I should continue whats been working, which consists of an ounce of cannabis a day and daily uses of some combination of the following drugs
Mushroioms
Acid
Mescilin
2CB
2CI
GHB
Ketamine
MDMA(just straight mollly, not rolls)
Salvia
I dont want to take the meds, but I would like the opinions of you guys, as you have helped me alot in the past. So the big debate is, should I take the meds and be miserable and hate myself, keep doing the path im on, or take my 18months jail time, and have things sent in for me???
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No. Possible. Way.
Take the meds. You have no way of dosing yourself properly and knowing the basics of what you're dealing with you have a lot of cocktail to mix there to get a desired effect. You also risk some pretty harsh damage with using those drugs in a schizophrenic environment. Speaking from experience, schizophrenics on hallucinogens become pretty far off the scale in comparison to others...
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Because that's an entirely unbelievable amount to have daily.
Ive actually stayed off the trip for the past few months, and only smoked, but i miss it oh yessss I do. Ive done trip so many times its crazy, ive kept track, i have 10,235 hits of acid in my spine, so i do know what im doing with the dosage (i used to run drugs for hippies in HS, thats how someone with nop job eats 25 hits a week) besides im at a friends house right now, its cool i know whats up with PO bs
EDIT: Denver- Like I just said to loonook, ive been long time friends with a "Family" so if i want that family stuff, i just call
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Because what's been working has gotten you far up until now.
I say you do what you think is best for yourself. Though I have to doubt your ability to self-prescribe, it is your choice.
Personally, I'd take whichever path I felt would have the best odds of securing me the possibility of a better future. You had a ****ed up past, don't **** up your own future.
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I really can't respond to this seriously.
Apparently hasn't been working for you if you're on probation for theft and whatever else you're charged with.
Honestly, I can't say anything serious without the fear of being warned, so I just won't say anything.
You are aware that that whole trot about acid attaching to your spine is rubbish, right?
Sounds like a kinda nice thing to have.
I was using "in my spine" as an analogy, thats how many hits ive taken.
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Why does this thread exist, exactly?
I can guarantee your condition (whatever it is) will NOT improve as long as you're self-medicating. It's not as cool, it's not as glamorous, it certainly doesn't make a great conversation piece for chicks (or forums)...but it just so happens to be the truth. Let me put it like this: What you're doing is like trying to calm down a fight between two dogs by throwing a cat into the mix.
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Prescribed medication by experts is a long-term and tested solution/fix to a problem. Self-medicated happiness-inducers are illegal, short-term, damaging band-aids for a problem.
Honestly I'm with Mortal Wombat. I could honestly say what I feel, but I don't feel like getting banned today.
but hey, good luck on parole... it isn't like they don't know your username . . . and couldn't check when you log in, and check your threads... nah, never happen, especially with someone on parole for such offenses...
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Without pharmaceutical ambition, we may never have cured - nor would we have discovered - jittery leg syndrome.
I say we trust drug companies on the merit of the good things they do, like lobbying political leaders to formulate legislation in a manner that benefits them.
How long have you been on your own "system," anyhow? Were you on it during high school? Would that explain the whole knife/fight with the principal thing?
There comes a time when you have to realise that, even though "meds" don't make you feel sweet and happy like your own drugs do, they should probably be taken out of consideration for the great number of people in this world - and in your own world - who are not, in fact, you.
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Agreed, and there's not much else I can say. Illegal drugs are illegal and legal drugs are widely used for a reason.
I'll say it. Washu, you're an idiot.
I don't know what half of those things that you've mentioned are, but you are neither a pharmacist nor a psychiatrist. You should not trust your own judgment, because you don't have the training to medicate yourself, and you're probably also high. Do what your doctor tells you, and get off the weed.
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You should try to keep in mind that doing drugs like weed etc. is clearly part of what got you into this in the first place, so logically, continuing to do them isn't going to help matters any.
When you take medication drugs, the important thing is to try to improve your life while you're taking them..through therapy, etc. If you just take meds all of the time and don't try to actually better yourself, you're barely doing yourself any favors.
Okay, a lot of people here haven't had to deal with this stuff before, and it shows. Sterling's example is pretty heavily proof of this. A lot of the stuff he is dealing with (if he is being relatively cogent, and he named his supplier) is probably around medical grade stuff. Marijuana is a pretty simple thing to maintain, gain samples of, check content, etc. . . . plenty of variance in strain to strain, but a pretty good set of numbers on the rest.
If he is purchasing from a regular agent (which seems to be the case) he is probably receiving well-dosed medication. Also, Erowid is a pretty solid showing for drug interactions.
I've had to deal with a lot of burnouts and drug addicts in my time... life is not as kind to us sometimes as we may like, shall we say. I've brought people off of psychotic trips, treated mild (and one severe) overdose, and been a den papa more than I have liked for adults (and kids) who got thrown at me by various associates. This tells me one of two things: Washu is lying on his dosage unless he has one of the worst dealers of LSD I have ever seen in my existence, and that he has a massively problematic cocktail.
A lot of the people here are speaking from the Truth sort of stuff, and that really sucks... educate yourselves on signs, symptoms, etc. because you never know the day you'll be staring a drug in the face and need to know what to do . . . I'm a likeable guy, and part of a community which takes its drugs very strictly, but I stay out of the scene for the most. I've seen schizophrenics treat themselves quite well with a series of uppers, downers, and psychs . . . but there are streetdocs to assist you in most of this. While I don't advise Washu, and really don't believe a lot he says, I can say there are some people who can do it . . . I don't believe Washu is one of them.
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wait wait, ketamine?
o.o
stay away from that ****. And salvia too. Jesus Christ.
I can't see why people just can't stick to weed, booze, and cigs. The only "drugs" you'll ever need.
Here's to you, washu... and hoping you don't drown yourself on molly.
PS: seriously, schizo's need to stay the **** away from acid. No joke.
Somehow I doubt this helped.
I think if Washu dislikes taking prescription medications, s/he must have a reason. Believe it or not, psychotropic medicines aren't cure-alls, and they're not without serious adverse effects. And by adverse effects, I don't just mean stomache-aches or sluggishness or minor side effects, but more serious long terms effects.
I used to take a number of different medications, and I didn't like them either.
Psychotropic medicine can keep psychotic and affective disorder symptoms under control. But, a lot of time, it's the same way that a cage keeps a rabid animal under control. The problem doesn't go away, it's just suppressed.
I had a friend who was schizoaffective (much like you, Washu) and she tooks gobs of medicine, in huge doses. They did help mitigate her intense manic episodes and debilitating hallucinations, but she herself noted that the more medicine she took, the less effective it became. She took nearly every medicine there is to take, and developed a tolerance to nearly all of the effective ones.
It's true that some people live just fine taking a regular dose of medication for stuff like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia. For others, it actually decreases their quality of life. And quality of life is most definitely a priority - that's why one takes medication in the first place.
Honestly, I'm for life without medication, which is why I stopped taking mine. I believe that, if possible, it's better to adapt methods of coping with the symptoms and the daily problems without having to use medicine.
But I'm not against medicine, because I realize that it's unrealistic to go without them completely for everyone, especially for people with certain types of psychotic disorders. I think it's possible for most people to learn to adapt to their problem and even mitigate it with their own behavior - but that's not something you learn to do overnight.
Some have told me they'd be lost without medication, and I say if they want to use medication, they should. But if you don't want to, then you don't necessarily have to.
Honestly, you'd know better than me which problems you have and what works for them. However, about self-medication, I agree with what many others have said. Self-medication isn't really wise, namely becase:
1) If something goes wrong, it's harder to discern why, how, or when it went wrong, and it's harder to "backtrack."
2) It's harder to judge the adverse effects so you can properly weigh the risks.
3) Marijuana and LSD tend to have a stronger addictive nature than, say, lithium or anti-psychotics.
4) Illegal drugs can complicate things by bringing the law into if you are discovered with them.
5) The drugs you decide to take probably can help with coping with symptoms. I've heard marijuana is really good for dealing with mania, it's like "anti-manic" medication. That said, they usually do not help in the long term. Long term use of marijuana can impair normal brain functioning, and possibly make your psychotic symptoms worse. To top it off, there's no sure way to tell, so you can't decide with all the appropriate information. Symptoms of marijuana intoxication itself resemble some psychotic symptoms (hallucinations, paranoid delusion, flattened affect).
Washu, if you are against psychotropic drugs, I'd suggest trying to develop methods of coping with them yourself. Take it one day at a time. It won't be easy. It won't be fast. And it will hurt. But if it works for you, it works great, and it never "wears off."
I would suggest you look for another alternative before turning to the drugs you mentioned, as they're not much better than prescription drugs, and are often worse. I'm not claiming to understand your situation, because I know I don't. But my advice would be to search for another way, one that you control, and one that won't come back to bite you in the future.
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Well, no. You don't have to help if you don't want to. I guess I just assumed that you wanted to. I mean, it was clear that your comment was made in frustration, but you know how it is sometimes.
And, honestly, you kind of have a point. Sometimes "permission" helps more than all the advice in the world. If Washu feels like people are trying to control him/her, maybe realizing that really s/he is the one in control will help more than anything, and help him/her make the most beneficial choice.
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Well, yes, I did realize you probably weren't intending to "release" Washu in any way, though I implicated such may have been your intent. Rather, what I should have said was that even if that wasn't your intent, it could be the result.
Same here. I'd rather not have to be dependant on such substances, if it is up to me.
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Im sure there was a good intention in there somwhere, however. When someone asks for help or advice, especially those who may be on substances that alter their judgement, your point is likely best illustrated by not insulting them. As for good intentions, I'm sure most of us are full of them, including myself, but despite our advice, you should probably seek in-person help from a trained professional.
Now, on to the topic.
I am not claiming to know it all about illegal drugs. I haven't done them myself and do not first-hand know the addiction. I have however know many family members and friends who have had anywhere from light to heavy interactions with illegal drugs. I do know that no god nor man is more powerful that the mind's hold on the mind-altering. Although most illegal drugs are safer than they have been in the past few decades, thay are still not wholy controlled and could be very risky. I have seen the effects of these drugs ruin lives. Usually not the life of the person taking the drugs, but the friends and family or the drug-users. I strongly suggest to any users out there who may be reading this that, if yout for your own sake, seek help for the ones that you love. If you have nobody, feel free to message me.
About the perscribed drugs. Why are they medicating you. They do know you have had problems with drugs in the past right? I personnaly beleive that this is likely to just be adding fuel to the fire. They should probably be starting to analyze your conditions and treating them mentally before trying to medicate them away. Of course, I have seen this problem to be common practice among many doctors. It seems that they too can be lazy enough to not actually care for their patients. If you absolutely cannot function as a normal human being without drugs, either legal or illegal, then there is probably a deeper seed of problems than even your psychiatrists realize. My advice to you is tough, but I think that these questions are best left to a psychiatric professional. You should let a doctor know of all of your history, this would also prove that you are serious and adament about receiving help.
A lot of peple on this board have said that you are not a doctor and that you should not medicate yourself. While that may be true, the truth is that you are not a chemist and you do not know the exact mixtures of the chemicals that you are putting into your body. I would say the real dangers youa re facing is a chemical hidden on one drug that is normally harmless may interact with another drug and for some sort of dangerous or violent chemical reaction that neither you, your dealers, or their suppliers would even be wholly aware of. I'm fairly certain they don't buy other street drugs and mix them to see if it explodes. Sure it would be cool to say, 'hey my stomach is litterally on fire on the inside', but the internal spontaneous combustion leading you to a certain doom would be regrettable.
Lastly, and unfortunately, drugs of some kind will likely always be a problem in your life. Whether it is a want, a need, or a precribed one. For that, I am sad. I have lost (not that they died necessarily) both friend and family to drugs. To see or hear of lives changed negatively by drugs is a harsh reality that I wished that didn't happen.
Please, please, please do yourself a favor and take the medication. But be forewarned, it will not be a cure all for your life. You are going to have to work out of whatever hole you've dug for yourself. No drug or combination of drugs can do what ultimately you can.
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Wrong.
You are fairly new to the forums, so you may not know Washu. Insult and sarcasm are his bread and butter. I'm trying to put things in words he'll understand.
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