I hope with all my heart that Sharon lives, with his mental faculties intact.
How do you think this will affect the Mideast peace process? What about Sharon's new political party?
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He's 78, and people usually do not recover well from strokes at this age. Especially not overweight and stressed out people like Sharon. He may live, but he will be unable to lead.
This does not bode well for Israel and Middle East in general. Sharon, while highly controvercial, initiated some bold and proactive moves and managed to unite the Israeli public behind him. None of his potential successors have the same charisma, which means the Israeli politics will sink into a quagmire of small factions, each pulling in a separate direction. Which means that the (bad) status quo will persist.
Here's to hoping this doesn't mean a victory for Mr. Netanyahu. Given his previous statements, it's rather unlikely that the withdrawal process will continue in his government.
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NEWS FLASH: Pat Robertson doesn't suffer stroke, mental faculties still not intact.
Unfortunate, that.
Mr. Robertson is a charlatan and an idiot. A "charlidiot" as it were.
A pity my party is linked in any way with his ilk.
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Here's to hoping this doesn't mean a victory for Mr. Netanyahu. Given his previous statements, it's rather unlikely that the withdrawal process will continue in his government.
Errr having studied Israeli politics throughout the last 15 years, It is very likely that Netanyahu will win over Peretz (with kadima, sharon's party, disintegrating). Howver, like Shimon Perez after the death of Yitzhak Rabin in 95, he'll most likely continue Sharon's policies for at least one more year.
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Errr having studied Israeli politics throughout the last 15 years, It is very likely that Netanyahu will win over Peretz (with kadima, sharon's party, disintegrating). Howver, like Shimon Perez after the death of Yitzhak Rabin in 95, he'll most likely continue Sharon's policies for at least one more year.
In the current climate, gaining any power in the coalition that will inevitably form will be a victory for Mr. Netanyahu.
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As I said, it doesn't really matter who will win. The next PM will not hold the massive sway over the public opinion that Sharon did. He will not be able to initiate neither reconciliatory moves toward the Palestinians moderates (because of pressures from the right), nor make any kind of offensive moves against the Palestinian hardliners (because of pressures from the left).
Hence, status quo and quagmire. MAYBE the situation will not get worse, CERTAINLY the situation will not get better.
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Anyway, the question becomes: who will be the next leader? What party will win and how many sacrifices will the new leader be willing to make. Sharon may try to stay in power for longer, but his time as leader as at its twilight.
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As an Israeli resident, I want to say that there is no chance he will servive.
He's now in his third surgery, and they say he's in a really bad condition.
And even if he will survive, there is no way he could continue be a prime minister.
And polls say that even if Olmert, Livny or Peres lead Kadima, Kadima have most votes.
And polls say that even if Olmert, Livny or Peres lead Kadima, Kadima have most votes.
Surely you realize that those polls are merely a result of temporary euphoria; the public galvanizes around the image of Sharon, around his memory. Like, immediately after Rabin's murder, polls showed that his party, led by Peres, is getting something ridiculous like 70%. Of course in the 6 month before the elections this dropped and Peres ended up losing narrowly.
Unfortunately for Kadima, the elections are not tomorrow but in 3 months. The euphoria will subside and the people will relaize Kadima doesn't really have much to offer w/o its figurehead. I predict that their final election day figure will be less than half of what the polls are showing for them now. Mark this word.
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I'm hoping that Sharon's party goes on without him. I doubt he'll survive: he's old, overweight, and has been in the most stressful job in the world for years. I'm all for their goal of a separate Palestinian state alongside an Israeli one. It's just this throws a major wrench in the plans.
Don't know what this will do to the peace process. (Not much advantage was made in the past months, and nothing will change untill both elections are over).
However, I find this a fascinating parallel between Sharon and Arafat (who died a similar way).
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Surely you realize that those polls are merely a result of temporary euphoria; the public galvanizes around the image of Sharon, around his memory. Like, immediately after Rabin's murder, polls showed that his party, led by Peres, is getting something ridiculous like 70%. Of course in the 6 month before the elections this dropped and Peres ended up losing narrowly.
Unfortunately for Kadima, the elections are not tomorrow but in 3 months. The euphoria will subside and the people will relaize Kadima doesn't really have much to offer w/o its figurehead. I predict that their final election day figure will be less than half of what the polls are showing for them now. Mark this word.
Peres also had the problem that there was a lot of suicide bombing at the time, which didn't help against his opponent.
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I hope with all my heart that Sharon lives, with his mental faculties intact.
How do you think this will affect the Mideast peace process? What about Sharon's new political party?
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This does not bode well for Israel and Middle East in general. Sharon, while highly controvercial, initiated some bold and proactive moves and managed to unite the Israeli public behind him. None of his potential successors have the same charisma, which means the Israeli politics will sink into a quagmire of small factions, each pulling in a separate direction. Which means that the (bad) status quo will persist.
EDIT: Pat Robertson's opinion on this is, as usual, very interesting. Stupid, but interesting.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05/robertson.sharon/index.html
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And that right there, boys and girls, is why the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will never ever ever be solved.
I just wish my tax dollars weren't helping to finance it.
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Unfortunate, that.
Mr. Robertson is a charlatan and an idiot. A "charlidiot" as it were.
A pity my party is linked in any way with his ilk.
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Errr having studied Israeli politics throughout the last 15 years, It is very likely that Netanyahu will win over Peretz (with kadima, sharon's party, disintegrating). Howver, like Shimon Perez after the death of Yitzhak Rabin in 95, he'll most likely continue Sharon's policies for at least one more year.
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In the current climate, gaining any power in the coalition that will inevitably form will be a victory for Mr. Netanyahu.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Hence, status quo and quagmire. MAYBE the situation will not get worse, CERTAINLY the situation will not get better.
Won/Lost/Draw/Ongoing: 5/1/1/2
Town/Scum/Ongoing: 7/1/1
Survived/Lynched/Nightkilled/Ongoing: 4/2/2/1
Overall lynched in my games: 8 allies, 15 enemies
Hopefully, at least, some measure of respect for Sharon will allow all parties (at least among the Israelis) to work from compromise.
Unlikely, but hey, you never know.
If I posted that I would have got a spam notice or warning in mod text. Why is it always just me???
Anyway, the question becomes: who will be the next leader? What party will win and how many sacrifices will the new leader be willing to make. Sharon may try to stay in power for longer, but his time as leader as at its twilight.
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He's now in his third surgery, and they say he's in a really bad condition.
And even if he will survive, there is no way he could continue be a prime minister.
And polls say that even if Olmert, Livny or Peres lead Kadima, Kadima have most votes.
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Surely you realize that those polls are merely a result of temporary euphoria; the public galvanizes around the image of Sharon, around his memory. Like, immediately after Rabin's murder, polls showed that his party, led by Peres, is getting something ridiculous like 70%. Of course in the 6 month before the elections this dropped and Peres ended up losing narrowly.
Unfortunately for Kadima, the elections are not tomorrow but in 3 months. The euphoria will subside and the people will relaize Kadima doesn't really have much to offer w/o its figurehead. I predict that their final election day figure will be less than half of what the polls are showing for them now. Mark this word.
Won/Lost/Draw/Ongoing: 5/1/1/2
Town/Scum/Ongoing: 7/1/1
Survived/Lynched/Nightkilled/Ongoing: 4/2/2/1
Overall lynched in my games: 8 allies, 15 enemies
However, I find this a fascinating parallel between Sharon and Arafat (who died a similar way).
These are the decks that I have constructed, and are ready to play:
01. Ankh Sligh to be exact.
Peres also had the problem that there was a lot of suicide bombing at the time, which didn't help against his opponent.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
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but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.