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A: Yep! Mimic Vat's ability only triggers once, at the beginning of the next end step. Once that ability triggers, it'll never trigger again. Activating the Sundial is a good way to make sure that ability never resolves, and your token's good forever.
I believe this trick will work *only* if you activate the sundial of the infinite during the end step, once the delayed triggered ability is already on the stack. If you activate the sundial before the end step of your turn, won't the ability that forces you to sacrifice the token just happen at the next end step (on your opponent's turn)?
Correct. The only way to keep the tokens sitting around would be to use the Sundial after the "exile me" trigger is on the stack. When the Sundials ability resolves, it will remove the exile me trigger, and it wont trigger again
W may only be paid with white mana. U may only be paid with blue mana. B may only be paid with black mana. R may only be paid with red mana. G may only be paid with green mana. C may only be paid with colorless mana. 1 may be paid with white, blue, black, red, green, or clolorless mana.
Not sure if that is correct. I think Sundial causes it to trigger during resolution, but ending the turn removes them from the stack as well, so it doesn't get to resolve.
Not sure if that is correct. I think Sundial causes it to trigger during resolution, but ending the turn removes them from the stack as well, so it doesn't get to resolve.
"Ending the turn" immediately skips to Clean-Up, which means that any "at the beginning of the End Step" abilities missed their trigger.
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"Ending the turn" immediately skips to Clean-Up, which means that any "at the beginning of the End Step" abilities missed their trigger.
Any "at the beginning of this turn's end step" abilities miss their trigger, but not any "at the beginning of the next end step" abilities, because their trigger hasn't happened yet. They're still waiting around.
Q: My friend is playing a Ghave, Guru of Spores Commander deck and has a City of Brass. I'm playing a Cromat deck and have an Exotic Orchard. Can I cast Ponder off the Orchard?
A: Nope. When determining what color mana your Exotic Orchard can produce, it looks at all your opponent's lands, taking replacement effects into account. It sees that his City of Brass can produce white, black, green, and colorless mana, so Exotic Orchard can only produce white, black, or green mana.
I feel like City of Brass is going to have a hard time tapping for colorless.
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In a tournament, if I asked that Chancellor/Stifle question, would you answer it in a helpful way? The question referred to the 'reveal ability' which in my mind is the same as its triggered ability. Are they really different?
I feel like City of Brass is going to have a hard time tapping for colorless.
It's Commander. Any land that would attempt to tap for mana of a color not in its commander's color identity taps for colorless instead. This can be relevant, for example, if you're trying to cast Engineered Explosives for X=0 but you suspect your opponent has Nix.
In a tournament, if I asked that Chancellor/Stifle question, would you answer it in a helpful way? The question referred to the 'reveal ability' which in my mind is the same as its triggered ability. Are they really different?
I'd probably answer it as "Yes, you can Stifle the triggered ability when it goes onto the stack during his upkeep." Start-of-game actions are performed in turn order, so the player going second shouldn't even have Gemstone Caverns on the battlefield at the time that the Chancellor was revealed.
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They should take as much as they "need" not ridiculous amounts of them.
Some drafts suffer quite a lot of "too less basics" ; Wizards somehow decided to not ship free basics to our PreRelease events , and if 30 peops grab like 20 of each ; theirs quickly 0 of each.
And even if just 1 basic land runs low ; this sucks balls.
So never ever tell someone to take as many as they want ; just as many as they "need" / and hopefully give them back after a Draft if they dont really need them.
Do not tell players they can take as many lands as they wish.
They should take as much as they "need" not ridiculous amounts of them.
Some drafts suffer quite a lot of "too less basics" ; Wizards somehow decided to not ship free basics to our PreRelease events , and if 30 peops grab like 20 of each ; theirs quickly 0 of each.
And even if just 1 basic land runs low ; this sucks balls.
So never ever tell someone to take as many as they want ; just as many as they "need" / and hopefully give them back after a Draft if they dont really need them.
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Are you running Pro Tours? If not, you shouldn't be registering decks. The question responds to a tournament where deck registering is required. Let it go dude
A: Yep! Mimic Vat's ability only triggers once, at the beginning of the next end step. Once that ability triggers, it'll never trigger again. Activating the Sundial is a good way to make sure that ability never resolves, and your token's good forever.
So I see above there have been questions about this and the one person who resolved that you would have to let the trigger go on the stack, then end the turn and your creature would be safe. Is this true? What is the correct timing: anytime OR only after at the beginning of end step triggers go on the stack?
Correct. The only way to keep the tokens sitting around would be to use the Sundial after the "exile me" trigger is on the stack. When the Sundials ability resolves, it will remove the exile me trigger, and it wont trigger again
W may only be paid with white mana. U may only be paid with blue mana. B may only be paid with black mana. R may only be paid with red mana. G may only be paid with green mana. C may only be paid with colorless mana. 1 may be paid with white, blue, black, red, green, or clolorless mana.
Are you running Pro Tours? If not, you shouldn't be registering decks. The question responds to a tournament where deck registering is required. Let it go dude
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I don't think you are right about the Ezuri question. Mana stays floated throughout the entirety of the combat phase, only emptying at the transition to the second main phase. If it didn't work this way, then Radha, Heir to Keld wouldn't work at all. He could definitely use this mana to Overrun since he was tapping his Llannowar Elf during combat.
EDIT: Wow, okay, so that's a change that they really snuck by with the 2010 Rules update. I have been at several PTQs and SCG events where this was played incorrectly. So you mean you can't float mana from the upkeep into the draw anymore either?
EDIT2: So Radha really does absolutely nothing now, since no one has priority once creatures becoming "attacking" and the step shifts?
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Your right, no one plays at starcity open events, or at a 1k, or at a 5k, or a PTQ, or any other event that requires a deck list for limited...
I think that you completely missed what he was saying. He was saying:
You only need to register decks at these kinds of events, and that the person who was complaining about the question was not running one of these events, so he shouldn't be complaining about the question.
I think that you completely missed what he was saying. He was saying:
You only need to register decks at these kinds of events, and that the person who was complaining about the question was not running one of these events, so he shouldn't be complaining about the question.
There are many events where people register decks in limited. Not just Pro Tours. Even some local smaller stores use registered decks even for launch parties. What TheOnlyOne652089 is saying is dont tell players to grab as many as they want or else smaller stores might run out of land (some events wizards will send boxes of basic lands... other times they dont).
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I believe this trick will work *only* if you activate the sundial of the infinite during the end step, once the delayed triggered ability is already on the stack. If you activate the sundial before the end step of your turn, won't the ability that forces you to sacrifice the token just happen at the next end step (on your opponent's turn)?
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"Ending the turn" immediately skips to Clean-Up, which means that any "at the beginning of the End Step" abilities missed their trigger.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Any "at the beginning of this turn's end step" abilities miss their trigger, but not any "at the beginning of the next end step" abilities, because their trigger hasn't happened yet. They're still waiting around.
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I feel like City of Brass is going to have a hard time tapping for colorless.
It's Commander. Any land that would attempt to tap for mana of a color not in its commander's color identity taps for colorless instead. This can be relevant, for example, if you're trying to cast Engineered Explosives for X=0 but you suspect your opponent has Nix.
I'd probably answer it as "Yes, you can Stifle the triggered ability when it goes onto the stack during his upkeep." Start-of-game actions are performed in turn order, so the player going second shouldn't even have Gemstone Caverns on the battlefield at the time that the Chancellor was revealed.
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They should take as much as they "need" not ridiculous amounts of them.
Some drafts suffer quite a lot of "too less basics" ; Wizards somehow decided to not ship free basics to our PreRelease events , and if 30 peops grab like 20 of each ; theirs quickly 0 of each.
And even if just 1 basic land runs low ; this sucks balls.
So never ever tell someone to take as many as they want ; just as many as they "need" / and hopefully give them back after a Draft if they dont really need them.
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Are you running Pro Tours? If not, you shouldn't be registering decks. The question responds to a tournament where deck registering is required. Let it go dude
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So I see above there have been questions about this and the one person who resolved that you would have to let the trigger go on the stack, then end the turn and your creature would be safe. Is this true? What is the correct timing: anytime OR only after at the beginning of end step triggers go on the stack?
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Your right, no one plays at starcity open events, or at a 1k, or at a 5k, or a PTQ, or any other event that requires a deck list for limited...
EDIT: Wow, okay, so that's a change that they really snuck by with the 2010 Rules update. I have been at several PTQs and SCG events where this was played incorrectly. So you mean you can't float mana from the upkeep into the draw anymore either?
EDIT2: So Radha really does absolutely nothing now, since no one has priority once creatures becoming "attacking" and the step shifts?
Commander Decks:
WBRQueen Marchesa's Powerful FriendsRBW
URArjun, Mindmoil SphinxRU
GFreyalise and the ElvesG
GROmnath, Ramping to RageRG
UBaral, Chef of CounterspellsU
It was still a really stupid change, though.
I think that you completely missed what he was saying. He was saying:
You only need to register decks at these kinds of events, and that the person who was complaining about the question was not running one of these events, so he shouldn't be complaining about the question.
There are many events where people register decks in limited. Not just Pro Tours. Even some local smaller stores use registered decks even for launch parties. What TheOnlyOne652089 is saying is dont tell players to grab as many as they want or else smaller stores might run out of land (some events wizards will send boxes of basic lands... other times they dont).