Welcome, one and all, to the Tournament of Underdogs! We’re down to our final four, and are now just a few matches away from the final round!
With this in mind, these matches will last twice as long as any regular match, giving each side plenty of time (two weeks) to vote and make their arguments!
One of the semifinal matches:
Team "Smash" - Doomsday and Hulk
vs.
Team "Crazy Supernatural Killers" - Dante (Devil May Cry) and Bayonetta
The members of both teams are transported to a different dimension with all information about their opponents “uploaded” into their minds. They have 30 minutes to prepare and talk to each other (they don’t know anything about each other as teammates, save for any experience from previous matches of this same tournament), and will also have full access to any technology, magic, weaponry, resources, etc. which they would routinely be able to use from their respective universes. Teammates may share resources with each other. Afterwards, both teams are teleported to the randomly chosen plane, which has mystically sealed off so that none of them can escape the battlefield in any way. The team that manages to knock out and/or kill both members of the opposing team will be declared the winner. There is no time limit.
Write ups for both teams:
Team "Smash" - Doomsday and Hulk
Nearly unstoppable forces of incredible power, Doomsday is famous for being the being that could kill Superman. The Hulk is, likewise, capable of extreme power and nearly limitless rage. Combined physical might will make them a challenge for any opponent as they can smash their way to victory.
Team "Crazy Supernatural Killers" - Dante (Devil May Cry) and Bayonetta
Dante is a half devil, half angel who kills demons, while Bayonetta is a half witch, half angel who kills angels. They both meet up and immediately end up in bed. After Dante gets violated in every way conceivable and ending up a sobbing mess, they team up. Both carry twin pistols, both has a laundry list of weird weapons, both have problems with their dad (both also have smashed their dads), both created by the same person, things get absolutely CRAAZY!!! when either of them is around. Infact its a travesty that this crossover hasn't happened yet in canon.
How do I vote for the team I like? Well, I'm glad you asked...
This tournament uses a “Dual-Voting System” in which every user on MTGS may vote twice, once on the poll of the thread, and once by posting on the thread itself (by explicitly stating “I vote for team *insert name* because *insert reason*” in a post on the thread). You may spread these votes as you wish (you can vote anonymously on the poll for one team, but express your vote publicly through a post for another), or use them both to vote for the same team, or only vote once (using either method). In the end, the total of both "poll" and "post" votes will be used to determine a winner. In the event of a tie between total votes, the team with the most votes posted publicly on the thread itself shall be declared the winner, and move on to the next round. You only have one week to vote (two weeks for the semi-finals and finals), and the poll automatically closes on Sunday, 12MN (GMT +1). Only posts that occur before that time will be counted as valid votes.
Now, who wins this match? Root for your favorites now!
Round 1
Match 1: "Godslayer" vs. "Wizard Guide" - "Wizard Guide" (25 - 39)
Match 2: "Cybernetic Cannon" vs. "By Your Powers Combined" - "By Your Powers Combined" (21 - 24)
Match 3: "Smash" vs. "Metal Men" - "Metal Men" (22 - 27)
Match 4: "Justice For All" vs. "Speed" - "Justice For All" (25 - 20)
Match 5: "Fun Size" vs. "Pest Control Problem" - "Fun Size" (22 - 14)
Match 6: "Rescue the Princess" vs. "Disney Villains" - "Rescue the Princess" (24 - 18)
Match 7: "Basketballers" vs. "Electromagnetic Pulse" - "Electromagnetic Pulse" (21 - 25)
Match 8: "Dark Lords" vs. "Human Mental Prowess" - "Human Mental Prowess" (30 - 32)
Match 9: "Crazy Supernatural Killers" vs. "Chaotic Genius" - "Chaotic Genius" (17 - 19)
Match 10: "Final Fantasy Villains" vs. "Psychic Monsters" - "Final Fantasy Villains" (26 - 22)
Match 11: "Assassins" vs. "Micro Mech" - "Micro Mech" (12 - 26)
Match 12: "Aimbot" vs. "The Vampire Slayers" - "Aimbot" (24 - 20)
Match 13: "Way of the Warrior" vs. "Viva la Revolution" - "Way of the Warrior" (22 - 21)
Match 14: "Insane" vs. "Mythology" - "Mythology" (17 - 38)
Match 15: "Suplex Machine" vs. "We Don't Need No Stinking Powers" - "We Don't Need No Stinking Powers" (18 - 23)
Match 16: "I'm Not A Hero" vs. "Badass" - "I'm Not A Hero" (34 - 7)
Round 2 (TOC)
Match 1: "Human Mental Prowess" vs. "Final Fantasy Villains" - "Human Mental Prowess" (31 - 25)
Match 2: "Mythology" vs. "Chaotic Genius" - "Chaotic Genius" (30 - 30: Post Vote Tiebreaker)
Match 3: "Wizard Guide" vs. "Micro Mech" - "Wizard Guide" (26 - 9)
Match 4: "Metal Men" vs. "Fun Size" - "Fun Size" (13 - 25)
Match 5: "Electromagnetic Pulse" vs. "Aimbot" - "Electromagnetic Pulse" (19 - 3)
Match 6: "I’m Not A Hero" vs. "Way of the Warrior" - "I’m Not A Hero" (20 - 12)
Match 7: "Rescue the Princess" vs. "By Your Powers Combined" - "By Your Powers Combined" (12 - 16)
Match 8: "We Don’t Need No Stinking Powers" vs. "Justice For All" - "Justice For All" (15 - 20)
Round 2 (TOU)
Match 1: "Disney Villains" vs. "Dark Lords" - "Disney Villains" (28 - 25)
Match 2: "Godslayer" vs. "Suplex Machine" - "Godslayer" (23 - 12)
Match 3: "The Vampire Slayers" vs. "Assassins" - "Assassins" (13 - 19)
Match 4: "Viva la Revolution" vs. "Psychic Monsters" - "Psychic Monsters" (2 - 30)
Match 5: "Speed" vs. "Neo-Badass" - "Neo-Badass" (8 - 8: Post Vote Tiebreaker)
Match 6: "Pest Control Problem" vs. "Crazy Supernatural Killers" - "Crazy Supernatural Killers" (3 - 12)
Match 7: "Cybernetic Cannon" vs. "Insane" - "Cybernetic Cannon" (14 -7)
Match 8: "Basketballers" vs. "Smash" - "Smash" (4 - 17)
Round 3 (TOC)
Match 1: "Human Mental Prowess" vs. "By Your Powers Combined" - "By Your Powers Combined" (16 - 22)
Match 2: "I’m Not A Hero" vs. "Justice For All" - "Justice For All" (8 - 19)
Match 3: "Electromagnetic Pulse" vs. "Wizard Guide" - "Wizard Guide" (15 - 22)
Match 4: "Chaotic Genius" vs. "Fun Size" - "Fun Size" (14 - 28)
Round 3 (TOU)
Match 1: "Psychic Monsters" vs. "Cybernetic Cannon" - "Psychic Monsters" (24 - 3)
Match 2: "Disney Villains" vs. "Neo-Badass" - "Disney Villains" (17 - 4)
Match 3: "Assassins" vs. "Smash" - "Smash" (2 - 24)
Match 4: "Godslayer" vs. "Crazy Supernatural Killers" - "Crazy Supernatural Killers" (6 - 14)
Semifinals (TOC)
Match 1: "By Your Powers Combined" vs. "Wizard Guide" - ???
Match 2: "Fun Size" vs. "Justice For All" - ???
Semifinals (TOU)
Match 1: "Psychic Monsters" vs. "Disney Villains" - ???
Match 2: "Smash" vs. "Crazy Supernatural Killers" - ???
I participate yearly in a survival challenge in which I am dropped off in the wilderness with 1 days rations, a knife, and no other supplies, and have to find my way home. This is typically several weeks hiking from civilization.
I have personally killed several bears in the course of this challenge, with the use of snares and other traps.
As much as I think Dante would be the one fighting Doomsday, I think Bayonetta should here with her gigatons of force. Doomsday has been beaten to death before but I think that she has the raw strength to crush Doomsday's body. Dante would be too quick and skilled for the Hulk - and let's face it, Hulk isn't invincible. CSK gets my vote but it's definitely a close match. I think Witch Time and Quicksilver give CSK an edge, here.
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Let's remember that Hulk and Doomsday have "time to prepare", which consists mostly of beating on each other until Hulk becomes truly enraged. He would be difficult to stop in such a condition. On the other hand, Dante and Bayonetta have access to magic and tactics, which could be useful against brute force as well!
Reminder: The semifinal matches will last for two weeks instead of one, so there is plenty of time (double as much, in fact) to research, make your cases, and vote! Take your time!
I participate yearly in a survival challenge in which I am dropped off in the wilderness with 1 days rations, a knife, and no other supplies, and have to find my way home. This is typically several weeks hiking from civilization.
I have personally killed several bears in the course of this challenge, with the use of snares and other traps.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It will come down to if CSK can incapacitate hulk which I think they might but not before hulk may destroy the rather delicate alara plane.
Oh right! I forgot how delicate Alara was... shards and fragments and all that.
Luckily, jeffbcrandall (if I remember correctly) brought up the "destroying the terrain" issue a long time ago in Speed vs. Neo-Badass (if I remember correctly), and it was implemented in The Codex!
Here's the ruling... (emphasis added in this case)
3. Arena and Mutually Assured Destruction - Unless otherwise stated by the referee, participants may not completely destroy the arena or themselves in order to defeat their opponents. They may, however, destroy parts of the arena or harm themselves when necessary, so long as they do not deliberately do so in order for both teams to be defeated simultaneously.
So no, they may not completely destroy Naya. Assume my "rules magic" will prevent them from doing so.
I participate yearly in a survival challenge in which I am dropped off in the wilderness with 1 days rations, a knife, and no other supplies, and have to find my way home. This is typically several weeks hiking from civilization.
I have personally killed several bears in the course of this challenge, with the use of snares and other traps.
Thanks! Ok in that case I am leaning towards CSK but remember Naya is a plane that worships gargantuan monsters and empowers them so hulk and doomsday will be right at home and tougher than normal.
I think that actually works againest them, both Doomsday and Hulk are too dumb to take advantage of stuff like that and most likely attack the nearest thing that moves, which means they're essentially going to pick fights with the creatures of the entire plane as well as CSK.
I think that actually works againest them, both Doomsday and Hulk are too dumb to take advantage of stuff like that and most likely attack the nearest thing that moves, which means they're essentially going to pick fights with the creatures of the entire plane as well as CSK.
Except that the planes are devoid of any creatures that would "adversely affect the outcome of the battle". I think having random 5/5 Gargantuans and Behemoths roaming around would qualify under that category. I won't disagree, however, with the magic somehow empowering Doomsday and Hulk. They'd be right at home... unless they disturb the natural flow, then they might not avail of these bonuses.
Still, Dante and Bayonetta do have the gift of strategy for the match, as well as options. The key is in finding out if any of those options will actually work for them, but based on their feats and powers in previous threads, I'm going to believe that it will take a considerable while before Team "Smash" can land a blow on them.
I participate yearly in a survival challenge in which I am dropped off in the wilderness with 1 days rations, a knife, and no other supplies, and have to find my way home. This is typically several weeks hiking from civilization.
I have personally killed several bears in the course of this challenge, with the use of snares and other traps.
I have to vote for team crazy supernatural killers.
Naya is all about the natural order of green magic. While doomsday might be affected by it due to him evolving for the past however long, he is still an artificially created creature.
Hulk i don't see getting a power boost from naya because he was created in a science experiment gone wrong and is in no way natural.
Without the boost from naya I dont see Team Smash being able to keep up with CSK.
I'll be honest, I'm only voting for Dante because the Hulk seems like an awesome boss for a DMC game. But really, both members of CSK are good at taking down giant overpowered monsters.
Given the location is likely to give a boost to both Hulk and Doomsday due to the natural tendency of large beasts in naya to get a boost (to which I believe that hulk and doomsday qualify, since I don't recall the bonuses being given out on actual cards caring much more than how big they are p/t), and even with speed, trying to defeat an angry hulk is not going to be any sort of easy feat, even if the other team has speed on their side. While I think this fight will be far closer than all of the other TOU fights with team smash involved, I still think that team smash manages to take this in the end. All it takes is for hulk to get close enough to grab the opponent, and I don't see it ending well for them, which I think hulk would be able to eventually get into position to do eventually, all the while getting angrier and angrier.
You can be as fast as you want, if you can't deal damage it will not help you, Eventualy you WILL run out of stamana and hulk will NOT. This is a test of endurance and I feel team smash has that covered ALOT. VOTE TEAM SMASH!
I vote CSK because the Hulk is basically a non factor here due to speed. If this is the cartoon Doomsday and not the comic one he doesn't stand a chance either, since he's basically a DC Hulk in the cartoon.
Bayonetta did take down the game representation of God so I think it's safe to say she can damage hulk , maybe not kill him but certainly incapacitate him.
I would say that I want to see the numbers hulk has taken some hits that should level planets in past. Did she have "plot weapons" that allowed her to damage "god" ? was it just a game mecanic and god was just another boss? I don't see guns hurting hulk...
I'm sorry, but two half-divine powers that basically only shoot guns really fast can't stand up to the might that is the Hulk, much less Hulk and Doomsday. What are the rulings on 'versions'? Because at his best Hulk could beat most Marvel heroes by himself, including those who shoot guns really well (I.E. Deadpool) and those had divine (Thor) or demonic (Doctor Strange) powers.
Even if we go with a nerfed Hulk, I seriously doubt it. Even Hulk in his weaker incarnations is still a match for Thor, much less a more mortal gunslinger.
Edit: You really need something going for you other than crazy speed/agility to beat him. The wizard team could do it, but I don't think this team could. Even if you ignore the Worldbreaker stuff he's taken down an entire Pantheons of Gods.
I vote CSK because the Hulk is basically a non factor here due to speed. If this is the cartoon Doomsday and not the comic one he doesn't stand a chance either, since he's basically a DC Hulk in the cartoon.
If you really think speed is going to help, can Bayonetta and Dante outmove Quicksilver?
I don't have enough knowledge on Doomsday to fully weigh in on this conversation, but it's worth pointing out that if this is how you interpret Bayonetta and Dante then you need to re-evaluate the fight.
Neither of them are "mere mortals" at all. Dante and Bayonetta both are beyond human and have extremely potent supernatural powers far beyond their guns. In fact, in the games, guns are often the weakest weapons they have at their disposal. Dante's sword is designed to slay greater demons and Bayonetta's weapons are incarnations of powerful demons themselves. Both have access to extraordinary magical powers as well.
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In summary (because I don't want to write a whole block of legal text to answer this) we're focusing on Hulk in the Avengers movie (MCU) and Doomsday from the Justice League cartoon (DCAU).
In other words, kindly focus on this version of Hulk (who can converse and understand speech even in Hulk form):
Oh, and this version of Doomsday (who is at least capable of some degree of intelligence and conversational ability):
I still don't think they'll spend their prep time planning though.
Also, as PopeJP mentioned, Dante and Bayonetta are far from being just gunslingers.
I participate yearly in a survival challenge in which I am dropped off in the wilderness with 1 days rations, a knife, and no other supplies, and have to find my way home. This is typically several weeks hiking from civilization.
I have personally killed several bears in the course of this challenge, with the use of snares and other traps.
I don't have enough knowledge on Doomsday to fully weigh in on this conversation, but it's worth pointing out that if this is how you interpret Bayonetta and Dante then you need to re-evaluate the fight.
Neither of them are "mere mortals" at all. Dante and Bayonetta both are beyond human and have extremely potent supernatural powers far beyond their guns. In fact, in the games, guns are often the weakest weapons they have at their disposal. Dante's sword is designed to slay greater demons and Bayonetta's weapons are incarnations of powerful demons themselves. Both have access to extraordinary magical powers as well.
I didn't say 'mere', I said 'more', as in they are still mortal.
That's fair, but is Dante's Sword stronger that Mjolnir?
I still don't think they'll be able to pull it off. Hulk beats magically enhanced enemies with magic weapons on a regular basis. If we are allowed to call in the World War Hulk version, they really don't stand a chance. Weaker versions of the Hulk they might be able to beat.
Plus, it's in Naya, which is most definitely Hulk territory. It would remind him Sakaar and the fact that Bayonetta and Dante are threatening him in his home would supremely piss him off.
Edit: Nath'd by Poring's post.
Avengers movie Hulk is iffy. He can fight gods just fine, but he's not quite so strong as other versions.
DCAU Doomsday can take on Wonder Woman and win, and I would imagine Wonder Woman is around the power level of Bayonetta/Dante, right? She has divine weapons, super strength, etc.
Naya would still give them an edge, being the plane for wild gargantuan beasts.
You can be as fast as you want, if you can't deal damage it will not help you, Eventualy you WILL run out of stamana and hulk will NOT. This is a test of endurance and I feel team smash has that covered ALOT. VOTE TEAM SMASH!
> can't deal damage
> dante
> bayonetta
Do some research on the Chaotic Genius vs. CSK thread.
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@Jay: Dante does NOT only shoot guns - he is excellent in melee combat. Dante is a half-demon with amazing regenerative powers, the ability to slow time for everyone else (Bayonetta has a similar ability) and can destroy tall stone structures with a single backhand. This is NOT just a "mortal gunslinger" vs. the Hulk. That doesn't even factor in the speed - Dante can move so quickly it looks like he's teleporting. He's no slouch, and neither is Bayonetta.
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[COLOR="Olive"]@Jay: Dante does NOT only shoot guns - he is excellent in melee combat. Dante is a half-demon with amazing regenerative powers, the ability to slow time for everyone else (Bayonetta has a similar ability) and can destroy tall stone structures with a single backhand. This is NOT just a "mortal gunslinger" vs. the Hulk. That doesn't even factor in the speed - Dante can move so quickly it looks like he's teleporting. He's no slouch, and neither is Bayonetta.
Fair enough, but Hulk has his thunderclap to deal with that kind of speed.
Dante hit by that kind of force while moving as fast as your describe would get blown off course and take a tumble.
It'd be a good fight, but I don't think Dante/Bayonetta could win overall. Both of them have pretty excessive powers, but between Hulk and Doomsday in Naya, I think team Smash ekes out a win. They all have the ability to take down Gods, but Hulk only gets stronger the longer the fight goes on.
Hulk isn't a Phytohydra. He may get angrier as the battle goes on but he will fatigue. We haven't even discussed the upper limits of Dante or Bayonetta's powers yet. Do you really want to get into this with me? Accept your defeat at the hands of the Killers.
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Bayonetta did take down the game representation of God so I think it's safe to say she can damage hulk , maybe not kill him but certainly incapacitate him.
Jubileus is not a representation of YHMH though so calling it God is not even close to be accurate. And Bayonetta had several plot devices to beat that fight. Still that's quite a feat that put her in another level.
Bayonetta is a force to be reckon with. In MTG's scale I would say she's more or less on the level of Liliana and Sorin Markov. She's still not a god of her own world like Karn.
Dante is also pretty strong as well. In a official cross over they would certainly portrait then as equal but if we get the game facts I would say Bayonetta is league stronger. Dante is has the power of a major demon, while Bayonetta have the power of several.
If we take those versions of Hulk and Doomsday, I don't think they stand a chance, mostly because of Bayo. I think Dante could actually be defeated as I portray him as having the power similar to (movies/cartoon) Thor, who would surely loose this fight. Still he wouldn't go down without severely hurting Doomsday. Bayo would make short work of the rest probably. I think she's more like Silver Surfer / Mephisto level then people realize.
In summary (because I don't want to write a whole block of legal text to answer this) we're focusing on Hulk in the Avengers movie (MCU) and Doomsday from the Justice League cartoon (DCAU).
Those are not the versions I had in mind when I nominated this team!
Still, I think team Smash is too much for Dante and Bayonetta. The rules of the tournament say all they need to do to secure the win is incapacitate the other team. Doomsday and Hulk can each chose one of them and just hold them down until enough time passes that it's considered a win.
Or they could just smash them. I didn't read the whole thread but I saw a couple people mention speed. I'd just like to point out that Doomsday is fast enough to hang with Superman.
Still, I think Hulk and Doosmday get this. Personally, I have plenty of faith on their stamina, endurance, reflexes and, of course, strength. I see the battle with Dante and Bayonetta doing blitz, powerful combos. But, at one point, at some moment, at one error, Team Smash will grab them by the hand, or the leg, or the head, or the hair. And then its over.
Those are not the versions I had in mind when I nominated this team!
Still, I think team Smash is too much for Dante and Bayonetta. The rules of the tournament say all they need to do to secure the win is incapacitate the other team. Doomsday and Hulk can each chose one of them and just hold them down until enough time passes that it's considered a win.
Or they could just smash them. I didn't read the whole thread but I saw a couple people mention speed. I'd just like to point out that Doomsday is fast enough to hang with Superman.
Official vote for team Smash.
Yes, but superman doesn't move like he's teleporting
Hold them down eh? Would have to catch them first. No easy feat, especially when Dante could literally slice Hulk's limbs off one by one, just because he can survive getting shot doesn't mean that a sword hit from a half-demon moving at (I can't remember the speed, but its' faster than a meteor falling to earth) Speed wouldn't do anything, in fact, it would likely KILL Hulk as seen in the MCU... I'd say Dante is arguably STRONGER than Thor... Plus, his weapons ARE the physical manifestations of Demons, in fact, there was a plot point in DMC4 of the villains trying to summon a demon from a weapon... So they're bound into the weapon itself. I'd arguably say that would make his weapons Indestructible.
Anyways, point is, Naya didn't really have anything special to it, big creatures, woo... What good are they when they're absent?
Since Bayonetta is kinda good at opening portals and summoning demons/etc, couldn't she open a portal and throw Doomsday and Hulk through it?
Is it still a teleportation spell if the destination is oblivion?
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With this in mind, these matches will last twice as long as any regular match, giving each side plenty of time (two weeks) to vote and make their arguments!
One of the semifinal matches:
Team "Smash" - Doomsday and Hulk
vs.
Team "Crazy Supernatural Killers" - Dante (Devil May Cry) and Bayonetta
Fighting in: Naya (Alara)
The members of both teams are transported to a different dimension with all information about their opponents “uploaded” into their minds. They have 30 minutes to prepare and talk to each other (they don’t know anything about each other as teammates, save for any experience from previous matches of this same tournament), and will also have full access to any technology, magic, weaponry, resources, etc. which they would routinely be able to use from their respective universes. Teammates may share resources with each other. Afterwards, both teams are teleported to the randomly chosen plane, which has mystically sealed off so that none of them can escape the battlefield in any way. The team that manages to knock out and/or kill both members of the opposing team will be declared the winner. There is no time limit.
Write ups for both teams:
Team "Smash" - Doomsday and Hulk
Nearly unstoppable forces of incredible power, Doomsday is famous for being the being that could kill Superman. The Hulk is, likewise, capable of extreme power and nearly limitless rage. Combined physical might will make them a challenge for any opponent as they can smash their way to victory.
Team "Crazy Supernatural Killers" - Dante (Devil May Cry) and Bayonetta
Dante is a half devil, half angel who kills demons, while Bayonetta is a half witch, half angel who kills angels. They both meet up and immediately end up in bed. After Dante gets violated in every way conceivable and ending up a sobbing mess, they team up. Both carry twin pistols, both has a laundry list of weird weapons, both have problems with their dad (both also have smashed their dads), both created by the same person, things get absolutely CRAAZY!!! when either of them is around. Infact its a travesty that this crossover hasn't happened yet in canon.
How do I vote for the team I like? Well, I'm glad you asked...
Now, who wins this match? Root for your favorites now!
Round 1
Match 1: "Godslayer" vs. "Wizard Guide" - "Wizard Guide" (25 - 39)
Match 2: "Cybernetic Cannon" vs. "By Your Powers Combined" - "By Your Powers Combined" (21 - 24)
Match 3: "Smash" vs. "Metal Men" - "Metal Men" (22 - 27)
Match 4: "Justice For All" vs. "Speed" - "Justice For All" (25 - 20)
Match 5: "Fun Size" vs. "Pest Control Problem" - "Fun Size" (22 - 14)
Match 6: "Rescue the Princess" vs. "Disney Villains" - "Rescue the Princess" (24 - 18)
Match 7: "Basketballers" vs. "Electromagnetic Pulse" - "Electromagnetic Pulse" (21 - 25)
Match 8: "Dark Lords" vs. "Human Mental Prowess" - "Human Mental Prowess" (30 - 32)
Match 9: "Crazy Supernatural Killers" vs. "Chaotic Genius" - "Chaotic Genius" (17 - 19)
Match 10: "Final Fantasy Villains" vs. "Psychic Monsters" - "Final Fantasy Villains" (26 - 22)
Match 11: "Assassins" vs. "Micro Mech" - "Micro Mech" (12 - 26)
Match 12: "Aimbot" vs. "The Vampire Slayers" - "Aimbot" (24 - 20)
Match 13: "Way of the Warrior" vs. "Viva la Revolution" - "Way of the Warrior" (22 - 21)
Match 14: "Insane" vs. "Mythology" - "Mythology" (17 - 38)
Match 15: "Suplex Machine" vs. "We Don't Need No Stinking Powers" - "We Don't Need No Stinking Powers" (18 - 23)
Match 16: "I'm Not A Hero" vs. "Badass" - "I'm Not A Hero" (34 - 7)
Round 2 (TOC)
Match 1: "Human Mental Prowess" vs. "Final Fantasy Villains" - "Human Mental Prowess" (31 - 25)
Match 2: "Mythology" vs. "Chaotic Genius" - "Chaotic Genius" (30 - 30: Post Vote Tiebreaker)
Match 3: "Wizard Guide" vs. "Micro Mech" - "Wizard Guide" (26 - 9)
Match 4: "Metal Men" vs. "Fun Size" - "Fun Size" (13 - 25)
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Match 7: "Cybernetic Cannon" vs. "Insane" - "Cybernetic Cannon" (14 -7)
Match 8: "Basketballers" vs. "Smash" - "Smash" (4 - 17)
Round 3 (TOC)
Match 1: "Human Mental Prowess" vs. "By Your Powers Combined" - "By Your Powers Combined" (16 - 22)
Match 2: "I’m Not A Hero" vs. "Justice For All" - "Justice For All" (8 - 19)
Match 3: "Electromagnetic Pulse" vs. "Wizard Guide" - "Wizard Guide" (15 - 22)
Match 4: "Chaotic Genius" vs. "Fun Size" - "Fun Size" (14 - 28)
Round 3 (TOU)
Match 1: "Psychic Monsters" vs. "Cybernetic Cannon" - "Psychic Monsters" (24 - 3)
Match 2: "Disney Villains" vs. "Neo-Badass" - "Disney Villains" (17 - 4)
Match 3: "Assassins" vs. "Smash" - "Smash" (2 - 24)
Match 4: "Godslayer" vs. "Crazy Supernatural Killers" - "Crazy Supernatural Killers" (6 - 14)
Semifinals (TOC)
Match 1: "By Your Powers Combined" vs. "Wizard Guide" - ???
Match 2: "Fun Size" vs. "Justice For All" - ???
Semifinals (TOU)
Match 1: "Psychic Monsters" vs. "Disney Villains" - ???
Match 2: "Smash" vs. "Crazy Supernatural Killers" - ???
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Oh right! I forgot how delicate Alara was... shards and fragments and all that.
Luckily, jeffbcrandall (if I remember correctly) brought up the "destroying the terrain" issue a long time ago in Speed vs. Neo-Badass (if I remember correctly), and it was implemented in The Codex!
Here's the ruling... (emphasis added in this case)
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I think that actually works againest them, both Doomsday and Hulk are too dumb to take advantage of stuff like that and most likely attack the nearest thing that moves, which means they're essentially going to pick fights with the creatures of the entire plane as well as CSK.
Except that the planes are devoid of any creatures that would "adversely affect the outcome of the battle". I think having random 5/5 Gargantuans and Behemoths roaming around would qualify under that category. I won't disagree, however, with the magic somehow empowering Doomsday and Hulk. They'd be right at home... unless they disturb the natural flow, then they might not avail of these bonuses.
Still, Dante and Bayonetta do have the gift of strategy for the match, as well as options. The key is in finding out if any of those options will actually work for them, but based on their feats and powers in previous threads, I'm going to believe that it will take a considerable while before Team "Smash" can land a blow on them.
Tally so far...
Poll votes:
SM - 4
CSK - 2
Post votes:
SM - 0
CSK - 1
Total votes:
SM - 4
CSK - 3
Breakdown:
Iso - CSK
Belgareth - ???
Von - ???
Notes:
Let's see how this one turns out!
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Those two are just too fast for Hulk and Doomsday to hit. Plus, Quicksilver definitely gives Dante an edge here.
Plus, Bayonetta can take out Doomsday with her hair magic.
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Naya is all about the natural order of green magic. While doomsday might be affected by it due to him evolving for the past however long, he is still an artificially created creature.
Hulk i don't see getting a power boost from naya because he was created in a science experiment gone wrong and is in no way natural.
Without the boost from naya I dont see Team Smash being able to keep up with CSK.
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I would say that I want to see the numbers hulk has taken some hits that should level planets in past. Did she have "plot weapons" that allowed her to damage "god" ? was it just a game mecanic and god was just another boss? I don't see guns hurting hulk...
I'm sorry, but two half-divine powers that basically only shoot guns really fast can't stand up to the might that is the Hulk, much less Hulk and Doomsday. What are the rulings on 'versions'? Because at his best Hulk could beat most Marvel heroes by himself, including those who shoot guns really well (I.E. Deadpool) and those had divine (Thor) or demonic (Doctor Strange) powers.
Even if we go with a nerfed Hulk, I seriously doubt it. Even Hulk in his weaker incarnations is still a match for Thor, much less a more mortal gunslinger.
Edit: You really need something going for you other than crazy speed/agility to beat him. The wizard team could do it, but I don't think this team could. Even if you ignore the Worldbreaker stuff he's taken down an entire Pantheons of Gods.
If you really think speed is going to help, can Bayonetta and Dante outmove Quicksilver?
And that's a weaker version of Hulk.
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I don't have enough knowledge on Doomsday to fully weigh in on this conversation, but it's worth pointing out that if this is how you interpret Bayonetta and Dante then you need to re-evaluate the fight.
Neither of them are "mere mortals" at all. Dante and Bayonetta both are beyond human and have extremely potent supernatural powers far beyond their guns. In fact, in the games, guns are often the weakest weapons they have at their disposal. Dante's sword is designed to slay greater demons and Bayonetta's weapons are incarnations of powerful demons themselves. Both have access to extraordinary magical powers as well.
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In summary (because I don't want to write a whole block of legal text to answer this) we're focusing on Hulk in the Avengers movie (MCU) and Doomsday from the Justice League cartoon (DCAU).
In other words, kindly focus on this version of Hulk (who can converse and understand speech even in Hulk form):
Oh, and this version of Doomsday (who is at least capable of some degree of intelligence and conversational ability):
I still don't think they'll spend their prep time planning though.
Also, as PopeJP mentioned, Dante and Bayonetta are far from being just gunslingers.
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I didn't say 'mere', I said 'more', as in they are still mortal.
That's fair, but is Dante's Sword stronger that Mjolnir?
I still don't think they'll be able to pull it off. Hulk beats magically enhanced enemies with magic weapons on a regular basis. If we are allowed to call in the World War Hulk version, they really don't stand a chance. Weaker versions of the Hulk they might be able to beat.
Plus, it's in Naya, which is most definitely Hulk territory. It would remind him Sakaar and the fact that Bayonetta and Dante are threatening him in his home would supremely piss him off.
Edit: Nath'd by Poring's post.
Avengers movie Hulk is iffy. He can fight gods just fine, but he's not quite so strong as other versions.
DCAU Doomsday can take on Wonder Woman and win, and I would imagine Wonder Woman is around the power level of Bayonetta/Dante, right? She has divine weapons, super strength, etc.
Naya would still give them an edge, being the plane for wild gargantuan beasts.
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> can't deal damage
> dante
> bayonetta
Do some research on the Chaotic Genius vs. CSK thread.
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@Jay: Dante does NOT only shoot guns - he is excellent in melee combat. Dante is a half-demon with amazing regenerative powers, the ability to slow time for everyone else (Bayonetta has a similar ability) and can destroy tall stone structures with a single backhand. This is NOT just a "mortal gunslinger" vs. the Hulk. That doesn't even factor in the speed - Dante can move so quickly it looks like he's teleporting. He's no slouch, and neither is Bayonetta.
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Fair enough, but Hulk has his thunderclap to deal with that kind of speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShZrVG_tYU4
Dante hit by that kind of force while moving as fast as your describe would get blown off course and take a tumble.
It'd be a good fight, but I don't think Dante/Bayonetta could win overall. Both of them have pretty excessive powers, but between Hulk and Doomsday in Naya, I think team Smash ekes out a win. They all have the ability to take down Gods, but Hulk only gets stronger the longer the fight goes on.
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Jubileus is not a representation of YHMH though so calling it God is not even close to be accurate. And Bayonetta had several plot devices to beat that fight. Still that's quite a feat that put her in another level.
Bayonetta is a force to be reckon with. In MTG's scale I would say she's more or less on the level of Liliana and Sorin Markov. She's still not a god of her own world like Karn.
Dante is also pretty strong as well. In a official cross over they would certainly portrait then as equal but if we get the game facts I would say Bayonetta is league stronger. Dante is has the power of a major demon, while Bayonetta have the power of several.
If we take those versions of Hulk and Doomsday, I don't think they stand a chance, mostly because of Bayo. I think Dante could actually be defeated as I portray him as having the power similar to (movies/cartoon) Thor, who would surely loose this fight. Still he wouldn't go down without severely hurting Doomsday. Bayo would make short work of the rest probably. I think she's more like Silver Surfer / Mephisto level then people realize.
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Those are not the versions I had in mind when I nominated this team!
Still, I think team Smash is too much for Dante and Bayonetta. The rules of the tournament say all they need to do to secure the win is incapacitate the other team. Doomsday and Hulk can each chose one of them and just hold them down until enough time passes that it's considered a win.
Or they could just smash them. I didn't read the whole thread but I saw a couple people mention speed. I'd just like to point out that Doomsday is fast enough to hang with Superman.
Official vote for team Smash.
Still, I think Hulk and Doosmday get this. Personally, I have plenty of faith on their stamina, endurance, reflexes and, of course, strength. I see the battle with Dante and Bayonetta doing blitz, powerful combos. But, at one point, at some moment, at one error, Team Smash will grab them by the hand, or the leg, or the head, or the hair. And then its over.
That's the way I see it. So, vote Team Smash.
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Yes, but superman doesn't move like he's teleporting
Hold them down eh? Would have to catch them first. No easy feat, especially when Dante could literally slice Hulk's limbs off one by one, just because he can survive getting shot doesn't mean that a sword hit from a half-demon moving at (I can't remember the speed, but its' faster than a meteor falling to earth) Speed wouldn't do anything, in fact, it would likely KILL Hulk as seen in the MCU... I'd say Dante is arguably STRONGER than Thor... Plus, his weapons ARE the physical manifestations of Demons, in fact, there was a plot point in DMC4 of the villains trying to summon a demon from a weapon... So they're bound into the weapon itself. I'd arguably say that would make his weapons Indestructible.
Anyways, point is, Naya didn't really have anything special to it, big creatures, woo... What good are they when they're absent?
Since Bayonetta is kinda good at opening portals and summoning demons/etc, couldn't she open a portal and throw Doomsday and Hulk through it?
Is it still a teleportation spell if the destination is oblivion?
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