I like a decent beer as much as the next guy. Moosehead Lager is probably my favorite beer. But it pisses me off when I throw a party, get 2-3 cases of cheap beer (I get Pabst sometimes cause I can get large quantities for cheap), and am willing to drink people up for free, and they have the nerve to start *****ing. I mean its gonna get you loaded either way.
Pretentious beer hipsterdom pisses me off. If I offer you free beer, unless you have a gluten allergy, drink the damn beer.
...It tastes bad? I'm not a beer drinker, but even I know some beers taste better than others. If it's simply about being plastered, I'd get cheap vodka that comes in jugs.
they have the nerve to start *****ing
I'm of the philosophy never to serve food that I _know_ my guests will find unappealing. Guests are not beggars. They shouldn't be "thankful" that I'm giving them cheap beer. When guests I invited (plural, not just random douchebag joe) "have the nerve to start *****ing", it's failure on my part, not theirs.
Really? I think its actually incredibly rude to go to a party and complain about what they've served you, ESPECIALLY if it's free. "Oh no this beer is not up to my standards"... To which I usually reply "**** off then, you get nothing."
I have a ton of friends that are not picky in the slightest when it comes to beer; they are a blast to party with. Literally some of the most fun and exemplary people on the planet. But I do have some friends that complain about what I serve them, and these people simply don't get invited anymore. Self-entitled beer "connoisseurs" who expect me to serve them premium beer, do nothing but bring down the party experience; for not only me but the others I've invited. And that's not okay. Why party with people who are just gonna ruin it?
If I wanna drink premium beers, I go to the bar with one or two of my buds and try a few home brews, or high quality name-brands. If I wanna party and get trashed, I buy 3 or so cases of cheaper beer, since I'm not made of money; which means most of the time, either Pabst or Blue. On RARE occasions I'll get a case of a high quality beer like Moosehead, but that's usually for myself; I'll advise people to bring their own booze also.
I mean I've been racking my brain trying to find an acceptable reasoning for the complaining... But I just can't.
Its quite simple. Your beer is overpriced water and its disgusting. If I go to a party where beer will be supplied, I bring my own. And when that is gone, the only other thing Im going to drink is water because Bud Lite, Miller Lite, PBR etc are absolutely horrible and arent worth the precious time they take to consume. If you (as you say) enjoy better beer then you should understand why those that drink craft beer arent interested in drinking what you've supplied.
Perhaps try a beer tasting party? Everyone brings a sixer of their favorite beer. Everyone brings a sixer of something they've never tried. Instead of wasting the money on kegs, give out prizes for best beer, worst beer, best packaging, etc. Its a good time and everyone wins
Its quite simple. Your beer is overpriced water and its disgusting. If I go to a party where beer will be supplied, I bring my own. And when that is gone, the only other thing Im going to drink is water because Bud Lite, Miller Lite, PBR etc are absolutely horrible and arent worth the precious time they take to consume. If you (as you say) enjoy better beer then you should understand why those that drink craft beer arent interested in drinking what you've supplied. Here's another problem: Partying to get trashed
Perhaps try a beer tasting party? Everyone brings a sixer of their favorite beer. Everyone brings a sixer of something they've never tried. Instead of wasting the money on kegs, give out prizes for best beer, worst beer, best packaging, etc. Its a good time and everyone wins
Really? I think its actually incredibly rude to go to a party and complain about what they've served you, ESPECIALLY if it's free. "Oh no this beer is not up to my standards"... To which I usually reply "**** off then, you get nothing."
I have a ton of friends that are not picky in the slightest when it comes to beer; they are a blast to party with. Literally some of the most fun and exemplary people on the planet. But I do have some friends that complain about what I serve them, and these people simply don't get invited anymore. Self-entitled beer "connoisseurs" who expect me to serve them premium beer, do nothing but bring down the party experience; for not only me but the others I've invited. And that's not okay. Why party with people who are just gonna ruin it?
If I wanna drink premium beers, I go to the bar with one or two of my buds and try a few home brews, or high quality name-brands. If I wanna party and get trashed, I buy 3 or so cases of cheaper beer, since I'm not made of money; which means most of the time, either Pabst or Blue. On RARE occasions I'll get a case of a high quality beer like Moosehead, but that's usually for myself; I'll advise people to bring their own booze also.
I mean I've been racking my brain trying to find an acceptable reasoning for the complaining... But I just can't.
Firstly, it sounds like the definition of party is being used in different ways. Is this a party where yelling must take place due to overly loud music and drinking games like flip cup and beer pong take place? Or is this where food is cooked by the hosts or the hosts cater to those invited?
Taking health out of the situation, eating fried/greasy foods that are with insta sides doesn't sound as appealing as something either fresh, handmade, and/or well put together. The ladder in most cases would cost more but you can't expect everyone to want to eat fastfood.
When you say "But I do have some friends that complain about what I serve them, and these people simply don't get invited anymore" do they have a choice? Were they able to byob (and if so, were they informed they could)? Was food provided to them (or anything else) besides the beer.
It sounds like you are forcing something onto people and if they don't like it, you take it personally, shun people out, and talk down to said people.
People are complaining because you're advertising the party as "Party with beer" & when they show up it's "Party with cheap pisswater."
Friends don't serve friends cheap pisswater.
I second the suggestion for a beer tasting party. Mystery-alcohol sounds better than drinking Pabst anyday. Just warn people to stay away from the Sam Adams sampler packs, one of the beers in that (can't remember which) smells like cat pee & tastes... probably like cat pee, but I have no idea what cat pee tastes like so I can't say for sure.
Its quite simple. Your beer is overpriced water and its disgusting. If I go to a party where beer will be supplied, I bring my own. And when that is gone, the only other thing Im going to drink is water because Bud Lite, Miller Lite, PBR etc are absolutely horrible and arent worth the precious time they take to consume. If you (as you say) enjoy better beer then you should understand why those that drink craft beer arent interested in drinking what you've supplied. Here's another problem: Partying to get trashed
Perhaps try a beer tasting party? Everyone brings a sixer of their favorite beer. Everyone brings a sixer of something they've never tried. Instead of wasting the money on kegs, give out prizes for best beer, worst beer, best packaging, etc. Its a good time and everyone wins
The thing is, I party to get obliterated drunk, and so do my friends; even the ones that expect me to buy premium beer. Metal, excessive drinking, and "trees". Everyone bringing a six pack of expensive beer, is antithetical to what my parties are about.
I have no problem with people bringing premium beer if their stomachs are really that fragile. In fact, I encourage it since it sucks being the only one supplying booze every time. But as I said, I am not made of money, and since usually it it me supplying for everyone, I get cheaper beer since A, my good friends are not picky, and B, it allows me to supply at least half a case per person.
But when people complain, that ruins the atmosphere of the party. I have no time for people who ruin the atmosphere of the party.
Firstly, it sounds like the definition of party is being used in different ways. Is this a party where yelling must take place due to overly loud music and drinking games like flip cup and beer pong take place? Or is this where food is cooked by the hosts or the hosts cater to those invited?
Taking health out of the situation, eating fried/greasy foods that are with insta sides doesn't sound as appealing as something either fresh, handmade, and/or well put together. The ladder in most cases would cost more but you can't expect everyone to want to eat fastfood.
When you say "But I do have some friends that complain about what I serve them, and these people simply don't get invited anymore" do they have a choice? Were they able to byob (and if so, were they informed they could)? Was food provided to them (or anything else) besides the beer.
It sounds like you are forcing something onto people and if they don't like it, you take it personally, shun people out, and talk down to said people.
A - When I say party, I mean loud metal music around a bonfire (not loud enough where one has to yell, but loud), with three or so cases of beer, cigarettes, left-handed cigarettes, and me grilling patties and dogs on a barbecue. Most of my friends love this *****. However, I have encountered friends that have been utter complainers; they were never asked to return.
B - I encourage people to bring their own booze. But most of the time people simply don't, and expect me to supply. I mention what kind of beer I am getting in advance, so they know what happens if they don't bring their own. In fact they've even tried to convince me to get premium beer, to which point I've told them: unless they're pitching, no. I'm not made of money, I get limited income; which means I have no business being picky when I supply drinks for 5-6 people.
People are complaining because you're advertising the party as "Party with beer" & when they show up it's "Party with cheap pisswater."
Friends don't serve friends cheap pisswater.
I second the suggestion for a beer tasting party. Mystery-alcohol sounds better than drinking Pabst anyday. Just warn people to stay away from the Sam Adams sampler packs, one of the beers in that (can't remember which) smells like cat pee & tastes... probably like cat pee, but I have no idea what cat pee tastes like so I can't say for sure.
You sound like my extremely picky friends. As I said above; if you're paying, you can pick whatever beer you like.
However; if you're gonna show up with nothing, expect me to supply, and drink on my dime, you have no business being picky. That is my point: if I am giving you something for free, you have ZERO right to *****.
To use a Magic analogy, that would be like me giving you a play set of Serra Angels, FOR FREE... and you reply with "But these aren't Baneslayers". IlRegardless of how good you think Serra is, its ungrateful.
A - "Time to grow up"? Are you really that smug, arrogant, and ignorant to think that your form of partying is somehow more "mature" or valid than mine? Its not like I drink often, once a month tops, anyways.
B - I don't care what they prefer; if they want to drink premium beer they can buy their own case. If I am the one footing the bill for the beer all the time, I will get a middle ground what I can afford to get and what the majority will drink.
C - I invite someone to a party once; the moment they ruin the party, for myself OR my other friends, no more. So I only invite people that have never started an incident. Just saying.
The amount of smug self-entitlement in this thread absolutely floors me. My Serra Angel analogy holds.
I'm gonna side with Buttman on this one. If I show up at a barbeque and get served a burger, I'm not going to complain and say, "Can't I get a steak?" Likewise, if someone serves me Miller Lite at a party, I'm not going to start *****ing that it's not an IPA. In my opinion, if someone invites you into their home and offers you food or beverage, barring some sort of illness, allergy, or dietary restriction that prevents you from doing so, you should choke some of that ***** down even if you don't like it. To not do so is rude and you are being a straight up party-pooper, and unless you are an extremely hot chick, ain't nobody got time for that.
C - I invite someone to a party once; the moment they ruin the party, for myself OR my other friends, no more. So I only invite people that have never started an incident. Just saying.
I am not religious, but there is only one way to respond to that:
I can understand where you're coming from because I too, wouldn't complain about whatever was being served at a party. If I didn't like whatever it was, I wouldn't take it or I would provide my own. My girlfriend, a vegetarian, does the same. If we go to a BBQ, she'll bring some veg burgers or brats and I'll provide my own beer if I would think they're going to serve PBR.
However the real issue is that you're a partying metalhead, seeming like a thrasher, who just wants to hang with buds, smoke some bud and throw some beers back until you can't stand. Some of the friends you're inviting may not be that kind of party dude and it seems more like an issue of crossing two sets of friends together in an environment that one of them isn't comfortable with. In that case, it could seem like a problem that the guy who feels uncomfortable would raise some issues with it. It's not something you should take offense to, it's just a situation that the dude may feel odd about. Maybe he had some misinterpretation about what the party would entail? Could he have thought it was just a run of the mill bonfire/bbq kind of thing where you get a couple dudes around a fire grilling burgers? Not so much a kegger style bonfire.
A - "Time to grow up"? Are you really that smug, arrogant, and ignorant to think that your form of partying is somehow more "mature" or valid than mine?
You may not realize it, but you just answered your original question right here. You may party to get drunk, but not all people do. If you accept that not all people do, than you must also accept that many people’s own definition of a good time revolves around drinking quality beer with quality friends. Drinking cheap, low-quality beer is not my definition of a good time. That doesn’t mean I’m a beer snob. That just means my definition of a good time is different than yours and you appear to hold the philosophy that, so long as no one is getting hurt, people are free to indulge in their own definition of a good time as they see fit.
My social group does not party to get drunk. We socialize and enjoy quality beer and getting drunk does happen occasionally, but that is usually a sign that we need to stop drinking. The experience of taste and quality is the central theme around our beer drinking events. Getting drunk is merely an unintended consequence. To me, drinking something like PBR is literally like drinking stale rainwater drained from a puddle in which animal poop has been festering for several days. If someone handed you a red solo cup filled with that, would you smile and drink it because it’s “free”?
If I want to have a party in which getting drunk is the objective, beer is the absolute last beverage I would consider serving. I would have my freezer stocked with vodka, rum, whiskey, and maybe even have some wine in the refrigerator.
Mondu: *facepalm* I was referring to you and everyone else.
ajprokos: I haven't yelled. I just don't understand. The way I was raised, if you are given something without any expectation of anything in return, you say "thank you", not "this? But you could've got this". That is ungrateful.
Locifer: I'm always upfront. The last event I threw, on Facebook I titled the event "Heavy Metal Vomit Party" and let everyone know that unless they brought their own booze, we would be sitting around a bonfire, downing cheap beer to the point of barely being able to sit upright, blaring sleazy speed metal, and ripping bowls till the sun comes back up. I advised anyone who had an inherent problem with any of these activities to not show up; and in fact a couple did not, but most did and the event was a blast. I don't see how in any way, any poster here could claim that I was in the wrong.
iincarna: Even the friends I have who expect me to serve premium beers, drink to get really drunk. But I'm not gonna spend 10-15 bucks more than I could be spending, simply because 2 or 3 of my 9-10 friends are picky. Especially when I'm paying to have food to grill for everyone too.
Again, to anyone here who has disagreed with me: If I gave you a playset of Serra Angels for free, no questions asked... would you say "thank you", or would you say "but these aren't Baneslayers"? It is the same thing, except substitute Serra Angel with "PBR" and Baneslayer with "premium beer". And if you were ever to answer the latter, I would question how you were raised tbh.
iincarna: Even the friends I have who expect me to serve premium beers, drink to get really drunk. But I'm not gonna spend 10-15 bucks more than I could be spending, simply because 2 or 3 of my 9-10 friends are picky. Especially when I'm paying to have food to grill for everyone too.
Again, to anyone here who has disagreed with me: If I gave you a playset of Serra Angels for free, no questions asked... would you say "thank you", or would you say "but these aren't Baneslayers"? It is the same thing, except substitute Serra Angel with "PBR" and Baneslayer with "premium beer". And if you were ever to answer the latter, I would question how you were raised tbh.
Here is the root of the issue… You are holding others to your standard of value (beer, getting drunk, partying) while simultaneously refusing to recognize other individuals standard of value as relevant.
You are free to run your parties as you see fit. You don’t really have the right to get perturbed at individuals who don’t like your choice of beer, however. To me, PBR and similar cheap beers are absolutely disgusting. It seem as if you are trying to say that I am obligated to enjoy your choice of party beer because it’s free. There are plenty of free things that are awful.
Your Serra Angel analogy is actually much better than you think. If you came up to me and handed me a play set of Serra Angels, I would appreciate the GESTURE, but my attitude wouldn’t be: “OMG! I need to jam these into my deck wherever they fit!” My attitude would be to accept the Serra Angels and politely file them away under “Cards I could not care less about.” YOU think the Serra Angels have value to ME, but they don’t and there is nothing you can do to change that… nor should you. Bad cards are bad cards. Bad beer is bad beer.
You party however you want to party. Why is it that you have a problem with people who drink whatever they like to drink? You’re holding others to a standard that you yourself do not adhere to.
I'm gonna side with Buttman on this one. If I show up at a barbeque and get served a burger, I'm not going to complain and say, "Can't I get a steak?" Likewise, if someone serves me Miller Lite at a party, I'm not going to start *****ing that it's not an IPA. In my opinion, if someone invites you into their home and offers you food or beverage, barring some sort of illness, allergy, or dietary restriction that prevents you from doing so, you should choke some of that ***** down even if you don't like it. To not do so is rude and you are being a straight up party-pooper, and unless you are an extremely hot chick, ain't nobody got time for that.
no need for sexism. Also, no one should be forced to do something they don't want to do. In most instances, being forced to drink something is hazing (illegal).
ajprokos: I haven't yelled. I just don't understand. The way I was raised, if you are given something without any expectation of anything in return, you say "thank you", not "this? But you could've got this". That is ungrateful.
I am not saying the remarks are directed at me. But your tone, attitude, and your remarks are coming off as rude, condescending, and flaming. In no way, shape, or form are you trying to understand the counter-argument.
iincarna: I actually do have to right to get annoyed with people who whine about what beer I provide, when not only am I always clear about what beer I am getting, but they STILL neither pitch, nor bring any of their own.
If I offered someone a beer and they said "no thanks, I brought my own" that would be different. That would actually be absolutely dandy.
But if they came to my party and expected me to provide, I offer them a beer and they reply "ugh, PBR, really? That's pisswater", I'd actually rescind the offer and tell them to enjoy not getting a single drink for the entire night; because that is arrogant, ungrateful, and ignorant. Not only was I upfront that unless they are contributing, I am buying cheap beer; but they still have paid nothing, so they have ZERO right to complain about what beer I bought.
I'm not "holding anyone up to my standards of partying" when our end goals are the same: to get trashed. The fact that they are pickier is not my fault. As I said, I am not made of money.
A - "Time to grow up"? Are you really that smug, arrogant, and ignorant to think that your form of partying is somehow more "mature" or valid than mine? Its not like I drink often, once a month tops, anyways.
My form of "partying" is more mature. Immature people drink to get "annihilated". They fact that you choose that specific word to describe your intentions speaks volumes in itself. And clinically speaking, this sort of behavior is associated with a drinking problem.
B - I don't care what they prefer; if they want to drink premium beer they can buy their own case. If I am the one footing the bill for the beer all the time, I will get a middle ground what I can afford to get and what the majority will drink.
C - I invite someone to a party once; the moment they ruin the party, for myself OR my other friends, no more. So I only invite people that have never started an incident. Just saying.
Not sure how this "ruins" a party. It might get under your skin but I fail to see how its going to ruin your guests good time. Ad if everyone is there getting "annihilated" I doubt it even registers on their radar.....unless of course you verbally pitch a fit...in which case it will register....until they do a keg stand 4 minutes later
A - "Time to grow up"? Are you really that smug, arrogant, and ignorant to think that your form of partying is somehow more "mature" or valid than mine? Its not like I drink often, once a month tops, anyways.
My form of "partying" is more mature. Immature people drink to get "annihilated". They fact that you choose that specific word to describe your intentions speaks volumes in itself (as does such a discrepancy coming from someone who calls himself Buttman). And clinically speaking, this sort of behavior is associated with a drinking problem.
B - I don't care what they prefer; if they want to drink premium beer they can buy their own case. If I am the one footing the bill for the beer all the time, I will get a middle ground what I can afford to get and what the majority will drink.
C - I invite someone to a party once; the moment they ruin the party, for myself OR my other friends, no more. So I only invite people that have never started an incident. Just saying.
Not sure how this "ruins" a party. It might get under your skin but I fail to see how its going to ruin your guests good time. Ad if everyone is there getting "annihilated" I doubt it even registers on their radar.....unless of course you verbally pitch a fit...in which case it will register....until they do a keg stand 4 minutes later
Look, it's one thing to say that people who complain about the quality of something freely offered are obnoxious, but that's not what's happening here. What's happening is you are inviting friends to a party that you know don't like cheap beer, making them do things they don't want to do, and acting outraged that they would be less than grateful for this. You're openly showing contempt for your own guests, and does not reflect highly on you as a host.
Let me put it this way: let's say I threw a party, and despite my being perfectly capable of holding the event somewhere decent, I instead chose to hold it in a back alley in a seedy part of town. People would complain. They would complain because they're in a slum, and no one wants to be in a slum.
That's what you're doing by ordering cheap beer. You're slumming, and asking people to slum with you, and nobody wants to slum. No one should want to slum. It reflects negatively on everybody, and most of all on you, the host. You're better than cheap beer. Everyone is better than cheap beer.
We're talking about a minor difference in price, world of difference in quality, and people will get drunk faster due to the higher alcohol content.
And I understand that the beer aisle goes on for freaking ever, but it's not hard to find a beer that you can afford in large quantities that is a definite upswing in quality. If you'd like, I can offer you a list of easy alternatives to PBR that are SO much better and not that much pricier.
I like a decent beer as much as the next guy. Moosehead Lager is probably my favorite beer. But it pisses me off when I throw a party, get 2-3 cases of cheap beer (I get Pabst sometimes cause I can get large quantities for cheap), and am willing to drink people up for free, and they have the nerve to start *****ing. I mean its gonna get you loaded either way.
Pretentious beer hipsterdom pisses me off. If I offer you free beer, unless you have a gluten allergy, drink the damn beer.
I'm of the philosophy never to serve food that I _know_ my guests will find unappealing. Guests are not beggars. They shouldn't be "thankful" that I'm giving them cheap beer. When guests I invited (plural, not just random douchebag joe) "have the nerve to start *****ing", it's failure on my part, not theirs.
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I have a ton of friends that are not picky in the slightest when it comes to beer; they are a blast to party with. Literally some of the most fun and exemplary people on the planet. But I do have some friends that complain about what I serve them, and these people simply don't get invited anymore. Self-entitled beer "connoisseurs" who expect me to serve them premium beer, do nothing but bring down the party experience; for not only me but the others I've invited. And that's not okay. Why party with people who are just gonna ruin it?
If I wanna drink premium beers, I go to the bar with one or two of my buds and try a few home brews, or high quality name-brands. If I wanna party and get trashed, I buy 3 or so cases of cheaper beer, since I'm not made of money; which means most of the time, either Pabst or Blue. On RARE occasions I'll get a case of a high quality beer like Moosehead, but that's usually for myself; I'll advise people to bring their own booze also.
I mean I've been racking my brain trying to find an acceptable reasoning for the complaining... But I just can't.
Perhaps try a beer tasting party? Everyone brings a sixer of their favorite beer. Everyone brings a sixer of something they've never tried. Instead of wasting the money on kegs, give out prizes for best beer, worst beer, best packaging, etc. Its a good time and everyone wins
Perhaps try a beer tasting party? Everyone brings a sixer of their favorite beer. Everyone brings a sixer of something they've never tried. Instead of wasting the money on kegs, give out prizes for best beer, worst beer, best packaging, etc. Its a good time and everyone wins
Firstly, it sounds like the definition of party is being used in different ways. Is this a party where yelling must take place due to overly loud music and drinking games like flip cup and beer pong take place? Or is this where food is cooked by the hosts or the hosts cater to those invited?
Taking health out of the situation, eating fried/greasy foods that are with insta sides doesn't sound as appealing as something either fresh, handmade, and/or well put together. The ladder in most cases would cost more but you can't expect everyone to want to eat fastfood.
When you say "But I do have some friends that complain about what I serve them, and these people simply don't get invited anymore" do they have a choice? Were they able to byob (and if so, were they informed they could)? Was food provided to them (or anything else) besides the beer.
It sounds like you are forcing something onto people and if they don't like it, you take it personally, shun people out, and talk down to said people.
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Friends don't serve friends cheap pisswater.
I second the suggestion for a beer tasting party. Mystery-alcohol sounds better than drinking Pabst anyday. Just warn people to stay away from the Sam Adams sampler packs, one of the beers in that (can't remember which) smells like cat pee & tastes... probably like cat pee, but I have no idea what cat pee tastes like so I can't say for sure.
The thing is, I party to get obliterated drunk, and so do my friends; even the ones that expect me to buy premium beer. Metal, excessive drinking, and "trees". Everyone bringing a six pack of expensive beer, is antithetical to what my parties are about.
I have no problem with people bringing premium beer if their stomachs are really that fragile. In fact, I encourage it since it sucks being the only one supplying booze every time. But as I said, I am not made of money, and since usually it it me supplying for everyone, I get cheaper beer since A, my good friends are not picky, and B, it allows me to supply at least half a case per person.
But when people complain, that ruins the atmosphere of the party. I have no time for people who ruin the atmosphere of the party.
A - When I say party, I mean loud metal music around a bonfire (not loud enough where one has to yell, but loud), with three or so cases of beer, cigarettes, left-handed cigarettes, and me grilling patties and dogs on a barbecue. Most of my friends love this *****. However, I have encountered friends that have been utter complainers; they were never asked to return.
B - I encourage people to bring their own booze. But most of the time people simply don't, and expect me to supply. I mention what kind of beer I am getting in advance, so they know what happens if they don't bring their own. In fact they've even tried to convince me to get premium beer, to which point I've told them: unless they're pitching, no. I'm not made of money, I get limited income; which means I have no business being picky when I supply drinks for 5-6 people.
You sound like my extremely picky friends. As I said above; if you're paying, you can pick whatever beer you like.
However; if you're gonna show up with nothing, expect me to supply, and drink on my dime, you have no business being picky. That is my point: if I am giving you something for free, you have ZERO right to *****.
To use a Magic analogy, that would be like me giving you a play set of Serra Angels, FOR FREE... and you reply with "But these aren't Baneslayers". IlRegardless of how good you think Serra is, its ungrateful.
Technically craft beers would be harder on the stomach due to increased amount of hops, alcohol content, etc
And yet you make time for them by inviting them to your party when you know the end result?
Perhaps some of your friends prefer quality over quantity.
B - I don't care what they prefer; if they want to drink premium beer they can buy their own case. If I am the one footing the bill for the beer all the time, I will get a middle ground what I can afford to get and what the majority will drink.
C - I invite someone to a party once; the moment they ruin the party, for myself OR my other friends, no more. So I only invite people that have never started an incident. Just saying.
The amount of smug self-entitlement in this thread absolutely floors me. My Serra Angel analogy holds.
Well, yeah, but we're still trying to be patient with you anyway.
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QFT. There is only one person in this thread who posted a question and then yells at anyone who answers him/her.
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However the real issue is that you're a partying metalhead, seeming like a thrasher, who just wants to hang with buds, smoke some bud and throw some beers back until you can't stand. Some of the friends you're inviting may not be that kind of party dude and it seems more like an issue of crossing two sets of friends together in an environment that one of them isn't comfortable with. In that case, it could seem like a problem that the guy who feels uncomfortable would raise some issues with it. It's not something you should take offense to, it's just a situation that the dude may feel odd about. Maybe he had some misinterpretation about what the party would entail? Could he have thought it was just a run of the mill bonfire/bbq kind of thing where you get a couple dudes around a fire grilling burgers? Not so much a kegger style bonfire.
You may not realize it, but you just answered your original question right here. You may party to get drunk, but not all people do. If you accept that not all people do, than you must also accept that many people’s own definition of a good time revolves around drinking quality beer with quality friends. Drinking cheap, low-quality beer is not my definition of a good time. That doesn’t mean I’m a beer snob. That just means my definition of a good time is different than yours and you appear to hold the philosophy that, so long as no one is getting hurt, people are free to indulge in their own definition of a good time as they see fit.
My social group does not party to get drunk. We socialize and enjoy quality beer and getting drunk does happen occasionally, but that is usually a sign that we need to stop drinking. The experience of taste and quality is the central theme around our beer drinking events. Getting drunk is merely an unintended consequence. To me, drinking something like PBR is literally like drinking stale rainwater drained from a puddle in which animal poop has been festering for several days. If someone handed you a red solo cup filled with that, would you smile and drink it because it’s “free”?
If I want to have a party in which getting drunk is the objective, beer is the absolute last beverage I would consider serving. I would have my freezer stocked with vodka, rum, whiskey, and maybe even have some wine in the refrigerator.
ajprokos: I haven't yelled. I just don't understand. The way I was raised, if you are given something without any expectation of anything in return, you say "thank you", not "this? But you could've got this". That is ungrateful.
Locifer: I'm always upfront. The last event I threw, on Facebook I titled the event "Heavy Metal Vomit Party" and let everyone know that unless they brought their own booze, we would be sitting around a bonfire, downing cheap beer to the point of barely being able to sit upright, blaring sleazy speed metal, and ripping bowls till the sun comes back up. I advised anyone who had an inherent problem with any of these activities to not show up; and in fact a couple did not, but most did and the event was a blast. I don't see how in any way, any poster here could claim that I was in the wrong.
iincarna: Even the friends I have who expect me to serve premium beers, drink to get really drunk. But I'm not gonna spend 10-15 bucks more than I could be spending, simply because 2 or 3 of my 9-10 friends are picky. Especially when I'm paying to have food to grill for everyone too.
Again, to anyone here who has disagreed with me: If I gave you a playset of Serra Angels for free, no questions asked... would you say "thank you", or would you say "but these aren't Baneslayers"? It is the same thing, except substitute Serra Angel with "PBR" and Baneslayer with "premium beer". And if you were ever to answer the latter, I would question how you were raised tbh.
Here is the root of the issue… You are holding others to your standard of value (beer, getting drunk, partying) while simultaneously refusing to recognize other individuals standard of value as relevant.
You are free to run your parties as you see fit. You don’t really have the right to get perturbed at individuals who don’t like your choice of beer, however. To me, PBR and similar cheap beers are absolutely disgusting. It seem as if you are trying to say that I am obligated to enjoy your choice of party beer because it’s free. There are plenty of free things that are awful.
Your Serra Angel analogy is actually much better than you think. If you came up to me and handed me a play set of Serra Angels, I would appreciate the GESTURE, but my attitude wouldn’t be: “OMG! I need to jam these into my deck wherever they fit!” My attitude would be to accept the Serra Angels and politely file them away under “Cards I could not care less about.” YOU think the Serra Angels have value to ME, but they don’t and there is nothing you can do to change that… nor should you. Bad cards are bad cards. Bad beer is bad beer.
You party however you want to party. Why is it that you have a problem with people who drink whatever they like to drink? You’re holding others to a standard that you yourself do not adhere to.
no need for sexism. Also, no one should be forced to do something they don't want to do. In most instances, being forced to drink something is hazing (illegal).
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
I am not saying the remarks are directed at me. But your tone, attitude, and your remarks are coming off as rude, condescending, and flaming. In no way, shape, or form are you trying to understand the counter-argument.
I buy HP and Damaged cards!
Only EDH:
Sigarda, Host of Herons: Enchantress' Enchantments
Jenara, Asura of War: ETB Value Town
Purphoros, God of the Forge: Global Punishment
Xenagos, God of Revels: Ramp, Sneak, & Heavy Hitters
Ghave, Guru of Spores: Dies_to_Doom_Blade's stax list
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Donald's list
If I offered someone a beer and they said "no thanks, I brought my own" that would be different. That would actually be absolutely dandy.
But if they came to my party and expected me to provide, I offer them a beer and they reply "ugh, PBR, really? That's pisswater", I'd actually rescind the offer and tell them to enjoy not getting a single drink for the entire night; because that is arrogant, ungrateful, and ignorant. Not only was I upfront that unless they are contributing, I am buying cheap beer; but they still have paid nothing, so they have ZERO right to complain about what beer I bought.
I'm not "holding anyone up to my standards of partying" when our end goals are the same: to get trashed. The fact that they are pickier is not my fault. As I said, I am not made of money.
Swoosh goes the point.
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Not sure how this "ruins" a party. It might get under your skin but I fail to see how its going to ruin your guests good time. Ad if everyone is there getting "annihilated" I doubt it even registers on their radar.....unless of course you verbally pitch a fit...in which case it will register....until they do a keg stand 4 minutes later
If someone at a bar buys me a drink and its a Bud Light, Im not drinking it.
Not sure how this "ruins" a party. It might get under your skin but I fail to see how its going to ruin your guests good time. Ad if everyone is there getting "annihilated" I doubt it even registers on their radar.....unless of course you verbally pitch a fit...in which case it will register....until they do a keg stand 4 minutes later
If someone at a bar buys me a drink and its a Bud Light, Im not drinking it.
Let me put it this way: let's say I threw a party, and despite my being perfectly capable of holding the event somewhere decent, I instead chose to hold it in a back alley in a seedy part of town. People would complain. They would complain because they're in a slum, and no one wants to be in a slum.
That's what you're doing by ordering cheap beer. You're slumming, and asking people to slum with you, and nobody wants to slum. No one should want to slum. It reflects negatively on everybody, and most of all on you, the host. You're better than cheap beer. Everyone is better than cheap beer.
We're talking about a minor difference in price, world of difference in quality, and people will get drunk faster due to the higher alcohol content.
And I understand that the beer aisle goes on for freaking ever, but it's not hard to find a beer that you can afford in large quantities that is a definite upswing in quality. If you'd like, I can offer you a list of easy alternatives to PBR that are SO much better and not that much pricier.