I am familiar with the history of the region and how a lot of Crimeans consider themselves "Russian" or are actually Russian. What concerns me the most about this is how the international community will react. What will the United States do? Will The European Union take action? Obviously the UN can't do anything seeing as how Russia is a veto holder.
What do you guys think?
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Since you're familiar with the situation, could you please explain the following to me:
I understand that the Crimean people voted to become part of Russia. Shouldn't that be the end of the story? Why is the US still opposed? Doesn't our government support the democratic process?
I apologize if this is too charged a question. But I know very little about the area and the situation.
Since you're familiar with the situation, could you please explain the following to me:
I understand that the Crimean people voted to become part of Russia. Shouldn't that be the end of the story? Why is the US still opposed? Doesn't our government support the democratic process?
I apologize if this is too charged a question. But I know very little about the area and the situation.
Thanks!
It is under scrutiny because of how the Russian Federation conducted itself in this matter. Russian has shown military aggression and claims that it hasn't. Russia is claiming that the vote is valid but there has been evidence of poll tampering. Even if that not be the case the referendum is in violation of international law.
Since you're familiar with the situation, could you please explain the following to me:
I understand that the Crimean people voted to become part of Russia. Shouldn't that be the end of the story? Why is the US still opposed? Doesn't our government support the democratic process?
I apologize if this is too charged a question. But I know very little about the area and the situation.
Thanks!
1) Un-affiliated men (most likely Pro-Russian Ukrainians or outright Russian agents) stormed and took over the Crimean government. This effectively means that an illegitimate and/or a puppet government handled much of the business.
2) Strong likelihood that the Russians tampered in some form with the elections. 95%? Really?
"3)" No one wants to accept elections that go against their way. Since #2 is merely a hypothetical (however strong it may be), it is probably unwise to outright call the election a sham. Accusations without evidence remain just that, accusations.
I understand that the Crimean people voted to become part of Russia. Shouldn't that be the end of the story? Why is the US still opposed? Doesn't our government support the democratic process?
To remain part of Ukraine wasn't even on the ballot. That's how rigged this election was. They weren't even trying to make it look fair.
And even were it fair, it would not be constitutional. Article 73 of the Ukrainian constitution states quite explicitly, "Issues of altering the territory of Ukraine are resolved exclusively by an All-Ukrainian referendum." The United States supports democracy under the rule of law. A functional democratic state is not a free-for-all. Rules as laid out in national constitutions exist to ensure that the will of the people is actually followed, and the rights of the people are actually protected. Ignore those rules, and you get stunts like this. Furthermore, secession is something a nation-state has to be especially careful about, because much of its effectiveness rests on its continuity and territorial integrity. If people believe that when they don't like a law, they can just make their own, the law loses force.
You may recall that a while back we had some problems with secessionists of our own unilaterally deciding to leave the Union. We resolved that crisis pretty decisively in favor of, "Nope, you're not allowed to leave the country just because."
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Since you're familiar with the situation, could you please explain the following to me:
I understand that the Crimean people voted to become part of Russia. Shouldn't that be the end of the story? Why is the US still opposed? Doesn't our government support the democratic process?
I apologize if this is too charged a question. But I know very little about the area and the situation.
Thanks!
1) Un-affiliated men (most likely Pro-Russian Ukrainians or outright Russian agents) stormed and took over the Crimean government. This effectively means that an illegitimate and/or a puppet government handled much of the business.
2) Strong likelihood that the Russians tampered in some form with the elections. 95%? Really?
"3)" No one wants to accept elections that go against their way. Since #2 is merely a hypothetical (however strong it may be), it is probably unwise to outright call the election a sham. Accusations without evidence remain just that, accusations.
Considering the "election" as you called it is illegitimate and in violation of Ukrainian (and International) law I along with the entirety of the European Union and the United Nations (barring Russia/China) agree that the referendum is in fact a "sham".
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Considering the "election" as you called it is illegitimate and in violation of Ukrainian (and International) law I along with the entirety of the European Union and the United Nations (barring Russia/China) agree that the referendum is in fact a "sham".
The American colonists declaring independence and breaking free from Britain would have been in violation of British law and international law as we have them now.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/18/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/
I am familiar with the history of the region and how a lot of Crimeans consider themselves "Russian" or are actually Russian. What concerns me the most about this is how the international community will react. What will the United States do? Will The European Union take action? Obviously the UN can't do anything seeing as how Russia is a veto holder.
What do you guys think?
I understand that the Crimean people voted to become part of Russia. Shouldn't that be the end of the story? Why is the US still opposed? Doesn't our government support the democratic process?
I apologize if this is too charged a question. But I know very little about the area and the situation.
Thanks!
It is under scrutiny because of how the Russian Federation conducted itself in this matter. Russian has shown military aggression and claims that it hasn't. Russia is claiming that the vote is valid but there has been evidence of poll tampering. Even if that not be the case the referendum is in violation of international law.
1) Un-affiliated men (most likely Pro-Russian Ukrainians or outright Russian agents) stormed and took over the Crimean government. This effectively means that an illegitimate and/or a puppet government handled much of the business.
2) Strong likelihood that the Russians tampered in some form with the elections. 95%? Really?
"3)" No one wants to accept elections that go against their way. Since #2 is merely a hypothetical (however strong it may be), it is probably unwise to outright call the election a sham. Accusations without evidence remain just that, accusations.
And even were it fair, it would not be constitutional. Article 73 of the Ukrainian constitution states quite explicitly, "Issues of altering the territory of Ukraine are resolved exclusively by an All-Ukrainian referendum." The United States supports democracy under the rule of law. A functional democratic state is not a free-for-all. Rules as laid out in national constitutions exist to ensure that the will of the people is actually followed, and the rights of the people are actually protected. Ignore those rules, and you get stunts like this. Furthermore, secession is something a nation-state has to be especially careful about, because much of its effectiveness rests on its continuity and territorial integrity. If people believe that when they don't like a law, they can just make their own, the law loses force.
You may recall that a while back we had some problems with secessionists of our own unilaterally deciding to leave the Union. We resolved that crisis pretty decisively in favor of, "Nope, you're not allowed to leave the country just because."
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
Considering the "election" as you called it is illegitimate and in violation of Ukrainian (and International) law I along with the entirety of the European Union and the United Nations (barring Russia/China) agree that the referendum is in fact a "sham".
The American colonists declaring independence and breaking free from Britain would have been in violation of British law and international law as we have them now.