Online gamers vs. AIDS-like virus = pwnt

  • #1
    http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/online-gamers-crack-aids-enzyme-puzzle-161920724.html

    I love this.

    Scientists have been stumped on finding an accurate model of a monomeric protease enzyme for decades.

    Gamers took three weeks to figure it out.
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  • #2
    Quote from Highroller
    http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/online-gamers-crack-aids-enzyme-puzzle-161920724.html

    I love this.

    Scientists have been stumped on finding an accurate model of a monomeric protease enzyme for decades.

    Gamers took three weeks to figure it out.



    Don't hate on scientists. They're a pretty small group, and by this, they essentially brute-forced a solution.

    But, yeah. I hope they'll use this solution more often, at least while our computers suck at spatial reasoning.
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  • #3
    Good game
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  • #4
    I want to see a gameplay video.

  • #5
    I've been reading into this stuff for a few months now with crowdsourcing and ect., it's an interesting thing to exploit. It also shows that math and modeling are approached the wrong way as a "science" rather than as a language.


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  • #6
    Yeah this is a feather in the cap to gamers everywhere!

    About time science has recognized gamers as a group that can solve real world problems given the proper tools.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/jane_mcgonigal_gaming_can_make_a_better_world.html

    The first step in the theories put down by Jane McGonigal has come true.
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  • #7
    That's pretty awesome. Progress in medical science has been made, and it's good publicity for gaming, win-win!
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  • #8
    The size of the willing, free workforce that could potentially crack thousands, if not millions, of such problems every year is pretty astounding.
  • #9
    Gamers are competitive as **** too... That helps a lot.
  • #10
    Should I be the first to call BS? Not a real videogame and not real gamers. Rofl
  • #11
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    Should I be the first to call BS? Not a real videogame and not real gamers. Rofl


    Watch the 20 minute lecture by Jane McGonigal then say that. Smile

    Her ideas may be a bit bizarre but they have a realm of possibility about them.

    The link is above!

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  • #12
    Awesome! I guess its time to create a portal gun....


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  • #13
    Although it might be a good idea to use such a method in research that is good for everybody, there are also negative Aspects to this.

    More and more companies are using the "hey community, design, a new logo/burger whatever for us" and are basically outsourcing research to the web community.
  • #14
    Quote from Eberbacher
    Although it might be a good idea to use such a method in research that is good for everybody, there are also negative Aspects to this.

    More and more companies are using the "hey community, design, a new logo/burger whatever for us" and are basically outsourcing research to the web community.


    You don't have to participate in that and from what I have seen most of that "hey design our logo" stuff is paid if you win.

    Like hey design our logo, if you win the contest and we use your logo you get 500 dollars.

    Yes some of them are just straight rip offs where you help the company but receive nothing, fortunately only those that are huge fans of said company will even participate. If Carls Jr. tried to get me to design a burger for them I would laugh in their face unless it was a paid job.

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  • #15
    But if we are looking at the "desing our XY" and recieve 1000$, its still a ripoff, because you get 1000$s and thats it.
    Lets say 1000 people worked each 2 hours to design the logo, thats a lot of work.

    And now compare it to what a proffessional designer team would ask for designing a new Logo for , lets say a subsection of Nike or footlocker
  • #16
    Quote from Highroller
    http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/online-gamers-crack-aids-enzyme-puzzle-161920724.html

    I love this.

    Scientists have been stumped on finding an accurate model of a monomeric protease enzyme for decades.

    Gamers took three weeks to figure it out.
    WTH? The article is absolute malarkey and, clearly, you guys haven't any idea of fold.it, do you?

    Why the haughty tone; "scientist have been stumped", whereas "gamers took three weeks". In any case, if one has any idea of computational/modelling programs, it's not all that surprising. It was a matter of time if anything at all.
    Quote from Monopoman
    Watch the 20 minute lecture by Jane McGonigal then say that. Smile
    fold.it's not a game; it was a distraction and a puzzle spruiked during a lecture (at least, that's what it'll be to me). It's decent for killing hours during reading week ... (oh, wait).

    Also, I don't see how Jane McGonigal is at all relevant.
    Quote from Eberbacher
    But if we are looking at the "desing our XY" and recieve 1000$, its still a ripoff, because you get 1000$s and thats it.
    Lets say 1000 people worked each 2 hours to design the logo, thats a lot of work.

    And now compare it to what a proffessional designer team would ask for designing a new Logo for , lets say a subsection of Nike or footlocker
    What the heck are you on about?
    Quote from Eberbacher
    Although it might be a good idea to use such a method in research that is good for everybody, there are also negative Aspects to this.

    More and more companies are using the "hey community, design, a new logo/burger whatever for us" and are basically outsourcing research to the web community.
    Boy, market research, focus groups, Wikipedia, etc. must cheese you off.
    The community doesn't do research proper; rather, they do the grunt work. Also, moot point, man.
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    That's pretty awesome. Progress in medical science has been made, and it's good publicity for gaming, win-win!
    Yes, yes, and yes, despite how misinformed the thing is.

    fold.it; bloody brilliant.
  • #17
    Jane talks about using games to solve the world's problems right?

    They just used a game to help work towards solving AIDS. Yes we don't have a surefire cure for AIDS based off this information but we are a step closer then we were before.

    She might not have referenced using gamers to help work to solve things like AIDS or Cancer in her speech but she does specifically reference using gamers to solve problems. As far as I know the world would be a better place if we had a 100% cure for AIDS.

    Who gives a crap if it doesn't function identically to a game like Call of Duty its still a game.

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  • #18
    Quote from Monopoman »
    Who gives a crap if it doesn't function identically to a game like Call of Duty its still a game.
    I confess I don't actually know what CoD is other than something a tiny subset of classmates spend time playing.

    Too many definitions of 'game', too blurry.
    Quote from Monopoman »
    They just used a game to help work towards solving AIDS. Yes we don't have a surefire cure for AIDS based off this information but we are a step closer then we were before.
    Hm.
    Sure-fire cure is ever sus.
    She might not have referenced using gamers to help work to solve things like AIDS or Cancer in her speech but she does specifically reference using gamers to solve problems. As far as I know the world would be a better place if we had a 100% cure for AIDS.
    Okay, this is bugging me; video games, not games.

    While handy to generate data and solve structures, you could study microbes, the immune system, or pharmacology or chemistry or, heck, develop a better algorithm.

    I just can't wait for the article at NSMB (link for anyone interested: <http://www.nature.com/nsmb/index.html>).
    Edit: http://www.nature.com/nsmb/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nsmb.2119.html

    Article's meh. Now I'm wondering when drugs will be developed, (who/which big pharma will own the patent), how accessible the drugs will be, and when resistance will develop.
  • #19
    Video games are games dude.

    Yes if you want to be specific we are taking video games here but that is not relevant to the discussion.

    I am through replying to your nonsensical posts man.

    It's like complaining about someone referring to an apple as a fruit.
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