Alright it has been forever since one of these games has gone off. So I figured we needed to have one to have some fun. Some brief introduction first. This will be a DC5 standard format game including Journey Into Nyx. If you need the rules it should be located on the first page of this sub forum. Once I have 5 players we will randomly allocate colors and turn order (I just need to figure out the dice roller again :p).
Additional Ban List:
-Cyclonic Rift
-Enter the Infinite
-Worst Fears
-Reserved for Suggested spot bans before the game starts
New limits
-Scavage is a once a turn effect
-Bloodrush is a once a turn effect
-Cipher comes with the clause that if you cast a spell for the turn before it you can't cast the cypher spell.
If you come up with a suggested card to add to the ban list before this game starts please suggest it and we can review it for level of degenerateness.
Players
1. Fenris R
2. Ced395 W
3. Reyemile U
4. BronYAur G
5. WhammeWhamme B
Update:
Forgot to mention for this I am going with the old rule of top card of library may be known.
Yup I did indeed misspell cipher for some reason. Anyway pending Reyemile's confirmation we have a full set now and if he's unavailable I suspect I already have one player who just missed out. Going in the following order of WUBRG for colors and in player assignment order of what I have above lets roll. Play order will be whatever the reverse of the color assignment order is (I really forgot how we used to randomize this).
1.
Dice Roller1 D5 rolled
2
2.
Dice Roller1 D4 rolled
2
3.
Dice Roller1 D3 rolled
3
4.
Dice Roller1 D2 rolled
1
5. Whatever is left.
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I remember the rule predominately pertaining to Oracle of Mul Daya and other similar cards that revealed the top card of the library over and over again. But I am not sure about other cases. Are you talking about something along the lines of how Azorius Charm can put a creature on top of its owners library or how Enlightened Tutor places a specific card on top? If its one of those I actually have no clue how those were ever handled because i don't recall running into them. I suspect though the game rules they should in theory work with the top of library rule in place. Its almost as if there is a sub clause to Rule: 11b pertaining to instances where the top of library may be known.
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Hi Reyemile!
Though I suppose it won't change your move, it's still Whamme's turn!
Whoops!
I suspect it will change my turn, since Whamme may bogart one of my lands. I just misread the turn order. But yeah, if Whamme wants to play either of those lands, I'll just drop another one.
@ced As far as that cards concerned I would believe that anything greater than 0 makes that card overly complicated. As far as this format is concerned I would figure it doesn't work (unless we clashed it to a mandatory 0 trigger and agreed such effects would work).
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Update:
Forgot to mention for this I am going with the old rule of top card of library may be known.
I can't remember how we ruled this before, but does this cause abilities that specifically move single cards from other zones to the top of the library to work?
I think they can have identity, but you can't put things there?
Untap Upkeep Draw Revealing a mountain to my Kernaos drawing me another card (2 CIH 1x Mountain)
Main: Play Mountain (1 CIH) Tap the mountain and play Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
End
Fenris
Life: 20
CIH: 0
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: 1x Mountain Tapped
- Creatures: Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
- Other: Keranos, God of Storms (Devotion count currently 6)
Graveyard:
Exile:
Notes: For as long as Niv-Mizzet lives and Until I reach 7 Cards in Hand I will do the following. Upkeep of Player I will ping the player once and reveal a basic mountain (honestly don't want any of the duals/scry lands) drawing me a card off my Keranos Trigger. Only exception comes on BronYAur's turn. So I will ask for a pause there in his upkeep or in response to me losing Niv-Mizzet for some reason (mainly assume I ping whoever makes me lose it so i get another card).
Also I may not fully understand the wording of Keranos's ability. Does it trigger on cards drawn on your turn? If not ignore my mountain reveal and other stuff and assume I just draw 2 off 2x pings.
What cha talking about ced? I think my turn creates more general ire around the table than yours. Also because you haven't played that one particular card I somewhat dreaded seeing as a first play in white I'm very happy.
Anyway can't keep a good dragon down. At least not for long.
Untap, Upkeep, Draw Revealing Breaking//Entering (and in this case only Entering as Breaking does not work). Triggers Keranos god of lightning bolts. I will throw his 3 damage wrath at BronYAur putting him back to 20.
I have 3 cards in hand one known.
Next I will case entering targeting the dragon returning him to play (2 cih). At this point I pause for a moment of decision as I am indeed wrathful at this moment. Dragon will ping BronYAur 2x times drawing me 2 cards and putting him to 18 (4 cih). Next I aim for BronYaur with the dragon of well dragonyness and bloodrush in wrecking ogre (3 cih). 8/8 double strike dragon drops him to 2. I draw 2 more cards for each damage trigger (5 cih). Play another mountain (4 cih). End Turn. BronYaur dies in WhammeWhamme's Upkeep even if Whamme responds for the save I will tap the extra land to drop him.
Life: 18
CIH: 4 (will be at least 6 after pings)
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: 2x Mountain
- Creatures: Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius (tapped)
- Other: Keranos, God of Storms (Devotion count currently 6)
Graveyard: Breaking//EnteringWrecking Ogre
Exile:
Notes: Dragon Kills Bron. Other than that I will ping birds I guess unless something better comes up. And yes we need to put Wrecking Ogre on the ban list I just saw the number of kills this turn I have by using it even without the dragon.
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WhammeWhamme, you had a card in hand before Whispering Madness. Are you playing a land, and if not, what card are you discarding? (may I suggest Tymaret, the Murder King, to keep Fenris from discarding it?)
Fenris, from your post, I'm assuming you killed BronYAur in upkeep, that means I will have 6 cards in hand, right?
Ok so you finally got the dragon and dang what fun we would have had to. So first my response to the discard hand thing. I will discard the following: Aurilia, the Warleader, Pyrewild Shaman, Master of Cruelties, Rakdos's Return, Sire of Insanity, and Rakdos Charm. I have a response to my dragon's exile and that is to ping Reyemile and draw a card (7 cih). Also as a inquiry/fyi you have no birds left any response to them disappearing? I will continue after you let me know.
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Anyway Untap Upkeep. Draw reveal Revel of the Fallen God (8 cards in hand one known). God of Lightning bolts throws it at WhammeWhamme redirect it killing the killer snake lady. Play a Mountain (7 cards in hand one known). Cast Revel of the Fallen God by tapping 2x of my mountains (6 cards in hand). I now have 4 hasty satyrs 2/2's. I move to my combat step and will pause for any responses.
Additional Ban List:
-Cyclonic Rift
-Enter the Infinite
-Worst Fears
-Reserved for Suggested spot bans before the game starts
New limits
-Scavage is a once a turn effect
-Bloodrush is a once a turn effect
-Cipher comes with the clause that if you cast a spell for the turn before it you can't cast the cypher spell.
If you come up with a suggested card to add to the ban list before this game starts please suggest it and we can review it for level of degenerateness.
Players
1. Fenris R
2. Ced395 W
3. Reyemile U
4. BronYAur G
5. WhammeWhamme B
Update:
Forgot to mention for this I am going with the old rule of top card of library may be known.
Turn 4 -
Life: 23CIH: 2 (Maze's End, Chromanticore)
Topdeck: Borborygmos Enraged
Battlefield:
- Lands: Thespian's Stage as a copy of Grove of the Guardian, Rogue's Passage, Simic GuildgateT
- Creatures: Courser of KruphixT
- Other: Prophetic Prism, Domri Rade (L: 4)
Graveyard:
Exile:
Life: 18CIH: 6
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: Mountain 3x (1x untapped)
- Creatures: 4x 2/2 G/R Haste Satyr Tokens (Tapped)
- Other: Keranos, God of Storms (Devotion count currently 2)
Graveyard: Scortchwalker Breaking//Entering, Wrecking Ogre , Revel of the Fallen God Aurilia, the Warleader, Pyrewild Shaman, Master of Cruelties, Rakdos's Return, Sire of Insanity, and Rakdos Charm.
Exile: Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
Life: 3
CIH: 5
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: Encroaching Wastes, Swamp 4x (all tapped)
- Creatures: Tymaret, the Murder King
- Other: (3 Loyalty)
Graveyard: Toil//Trouble, Whispering Madness, Vraska the Unseen, Rise of the Dark Realms
Exile:
Life: 19
CIH: 0
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: Mutavault, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Watery Grave (all untapped)
- Creatures: Arbiter of the Ideal, Prophet of Kruphix*, 8/8 elemental token w/vigilance
- Other: Thassa's Ire, Springleaf Drum
Graveyard: Urban Evolution, Beck//Call, Grove of the Guardian, Consuming Aberration, Clone, Aetherling, Lavinia of the Tenth, Biovisionary, Colossus of Akros, Duskmantle Guildmage
Life: 20
CIH: 0
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: Mountain, Forest, Swamp
- Creatures: Ashen Rider, Loxodon Smiter
- Other: Angelic Accord
Graveyard: Burnished Hart, Strionic Resonator, two Plains.
Exile:
Notes:
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2.
3.
4.
5. Whatever is left.
Draw (1)
Cast Keranos, God of Storms
End
Life: 20
CIH: 0
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands:
- Creatures:
- Other: Keranos, God of Storms (Devotion count currently 2)
Graveyard:
Exile:
Pass
Life: 20
CIH: 1
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: Mutavault, Encroaching Wastes
- Creatures:
- Other:
Graveyard: Urban Evolution
Whoops!
I suspect it will change my turn, since Whamme may bogart one of my lands. I just misread the turn order. But yeah, if Whamme wants to play either of those lands, I'll just drop another one.
Toil/Trouble for 18 life, 2 CiH, drop Encroaching Wastes.
WhammeWhamme (Black):
Life: 18
CiH: 1
Battlefield: Encroaching Wastes
Graveyard: Toil/Trouble
Life: 20
CIH: 1
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: Mutavault, Grove of the Guardian
- Creatures:
- Other:
Graveyard: Urban Evolution
@ced As far as that cards concerned I would believe that anything greater than 0 makes that card overly complicated. As far as this format is concerned I would figure it doesn't work (unless we clashed it to a mandatory 0 trigger and agreed such effects would work).
I think they can have identity, but you can't put things there?
Untap Upkeep Draw Revealing a mountain to my Kernaos drawing me another card (2 CIH 1x Mountain)
Main: Play Mountain (1 CIH) Tap the mountain and play Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
End
Life: 20
CIH: 0
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: 1x Mountain Tapped
- Creatures: Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
- Other: Keranos, God of Storms (Devotion count currently 6)
Graveyard:
Exile:
Notes: For as long as Niv-Mizzet lives and Until I reach 7 Cards in Hand I will do the following. Upkeep of Player I will ping the player once and reveal a basic mountain (honestly don't want any of the duals/scry lands) drawing me a card off my Keranos Trigger. Only exception comes on BronYAur's turn. So I will ask for a pause there in his upkeep or in response to me losing Niv-Mizzet for some reason (mainly assume I ping whoever makes me lose it so i get another card).
Also I may not fully understand the wording of Keranos's ability. Does it trigger on cards drawn on your turn? If not ignore my mountain reveal and other stuff and assume I just draw 2 off 2x pings.
Life: 16
Board: Swamp, Waste, Vraska (2)
UUD
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
Tap all three lands, Beck // Call fused, draw 4.
Life: 20
CIH: 4
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: Tapped: Mutavault, Grove of the Guardian, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Untapped: none
- Creatures: 4x 1/1 Bird token
- Other:
Graveyard: Urban Evolution, Beck//Call
Well, I'm not planning to make anyone dead in the immediate future.
Anyway can't keep a good dragon down. At least not for long.
Untap, Upkeep, Draw Revealing Breaking//Entering (and in this case only Entering as Breaking does not work). Triggers Keranos god of lightning bolts. I will throw his 3 damage wrath at BronYAur putting him back to 20.
I have 3 cards in hand one known.
Next I will case entering targeting the dragon returning him to play (2 cih). At this point I pause for a moment of decision as I am indeed wrathful at this moment. Dragon will ping BronYAur 2x times drawing me 2 cards and putting him to 18 (4 cih). Next I aim for BronYaur with the dragon of well dragonyness and bloodrush in wrecking ogre (3 cih). 8/8 double strike dragon drops him to 2. I draw 2 more cards for each damage trigger (5 cih). Play another mountain (4 cih). End Turn. BronYaur dies in WhammeWhamme's Upkeep even if Whamme responds for the save I will tap the extra land to drop him.
Life: 18
CIH: 4 (will be at least 6 after pings)
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: 2x Mountain
- Creatures: Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius (tapped)
- Other: Keranos, God of Storms (Devotion count currently 6)
Graveyard: Breaking//Entering Wrecking Ogre
Exile:
Notes: Dragon Kills Bron. Other than that I will ping birds I guess unless something better comes up. And yes we need to put Wrecking Ogre on the ban list I just saw the number of kills this turn I have by using it even without the dragon.
Here, have cards in hand to fight the Red onslaught. Good luck guys.
Fenris, from your post, I'm assuming you killed BronYAur in upkeep, that means I will have 6 cards in hand, right?
Anyway, my turn:
Discard Blast of Genius, Consuming Aberration, Detention Sphere, and Colossus of Akros, draw 6 cards.
UUD
Play Thassa's Ire
Play Watery Grave tapped
Pass
Life: 20
CIH: 5
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: Tapped: Watery Grave Untapped: Mutavault, Grove of the Guardian, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
- Creatures: 2x 1/1 Bird token
- Other: Thassa's Ire
Graveyard: Urban Evolution, Beck//Call, Blast of Genius, Consuming Aberration, Detention Sphere, Colossus of Akros
Anyway Untap Upkeep. Draw reveal Revel of the Fallen God (8 cards in hand one known). God of Lightning bolts throws it at WhammeWhamme redirect it killing the killer snake lady. Play a Mountain (7 cards in hand one known). Cast Revel of the Fallen God by tapping 2x of my mountains (6 cards in hand). I now have 4 hasty satyrs 2/2's. I move to my combat step and will pause for any responses.
Life: 18
CIH: 6
Topdeck: ?
Battlefield:
- Lands: Mountain 3x (1x untapped)
- Creatures: 4x 2/2 G/R Haste Satyr Tokens
- Other: Keranos, God of Storms (Devotion count currently 2)
Graveyard: Breaking//Entering, Wrecking Ogre , Revel of the Fallen God Aurilia, the Warleader, Pyrewild Shaman, Master of Cruelties, Rakdos's Return, Sire of Insanity, and Rakdos Charm.
Exile: Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius