I imagine it's because he leaves the game and wins when that happens.
Also, now that we're hitting night, final disclosure: I never copped Proph. It was N2 Azrael town, N3 DCIII mafia. I left a hidden message in my comment to Wheat about Cataro (there's a sentence that just makes no sense that says to read my first post of the day), and I thought I was caught for sure when DCIII quoted it, but then he went on some buddying rant instead of noticing that he was already dead in the water at that point.
Why lie about Proph? Az said it best: You believed me more when I had two guilties. And when you're a cop who's about to reveal, you always reaction-test. Always.
Why tell the truth when it doesn't really matter? I don't want you people to go crazy and accidentally lynch Az.
Seppel, that was a dick move to Proph when you'd already won the game. That was my point, I'd misunderstood him earlier. He's saying he wins if he's alive when the game ends and Jobie is dead. You could have let him win too. The game was over already... and now it is, just he doesn't get to win.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
Three scenarios if Proph is Lynched:
1) Proph is telling the truth AND there was a 3 man scum team - Town Loss
2) Proph is telling the truth AND there was a 2 man scum team - 3 town V 1 Scum LYLO situation; likely with Az NK'ed. WG/KA/Jobie/Necarg alive
3) Proph is lying and is actually scum with a 3 man scum team - 3 town V 1 Scum LYLO situation; likely with Az NK'ed. WG/KA/Jobie/Necarg alive
The problem here is we're potentially punting on finding scum today, much like Day 2 was a bum-rush lynch.
@Everyone but Proph (because anything Proph says is WIFOM at this point) Who are your top 2 scum suspects coming into today?
I'm at Proph and KA. I'm forcing myself to believe Necarg's miller claim even though he's not done anything inherently townie this game and WG's when named ability isn't strictly town, but it's close enough at this point. KA has been lurk-tastic for the recent stretch and that seems out of character. Also the "LOL I'M GOING TO PARROT SEPPEL ITT" post to open the day is bad.
Also, I'm quoting this to hopefully remind myself in the post game that "LOL Seppel, I'm actually awful"
I think I still have to go with Proph/Jobie for scum, myself. Proph's explanations feel full of holes; rather like something I'd come up with when I know I'm caught and bull*****ting. Granted, not everyone is as insane when it comes to claims as I am, but it feels patched together. Meanwhile, Jobie is tied pretty close to DC and that also hasn't changed.
You go down the list of everyone else and no one else can really be scum. KA is still super townie, even if no one else sees it, Necarg would never be allowed to claim miller on Day 3 with DC as a buddy, Az is now 100% confirmed.
I think I'd rather lynch Jobie first only because of the small likelihood of Proph telling the truth; there's a chance the game might end there with Proph winning too.
I think I still have to go with Proph/Jobie for scum, myself. Proph's explanations feel full of holes; rather like something I'd come up with when I know I'm caught and bull*****ting. Granted, not everyone is as insane when it comes to claims as I am, but it feels patched together.
Indeed.
Proph's a safer bet to not instantly lose the game. He's got not only behavior against him, but also that wretched claim in response to Seppel's faked cop result. I have very little doubt that claim was a desperation move to explain a scum result, not something that was likely to be included. Jobie's only got about the same measure of bad behavior, but didn't botch his claim.
Posting super late at night is apparently hazardous to my ability to make a good point.
I seem to remember someone saying that normally you lurk as scum, but your posting in that game is what caused you to be scum. I honestly didn't pay that close attention to the reasons behind your wagon besides the fact that I wanted to bus you into the ground.
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I feel better with a proph lynch than a Jobie lynch. KA seems pretty null at the moment. I don't really think that Proph and Jobie are scumbuddies at this point though, so KA becomes a bit more scummy in my eyes. Still good with a Proph lynch, though.
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So I've taken a little bit of my single screen time to look back at old reads by some of our fallen homies: Iso liked KA for scum back in Day 2, as did Seppel (and Az). Hell, Seppel had KA as the next viable lynch after Proph (from my POV) yesterday. So obviously I'm going to pursue a KA lynch for tomorrow.
I guess I'm going to have to reread KA and decide if there's a case in there (when I'm back to dual screen action on Tuesday).
I'm also going to go over DC3's reads of the other 3 "unconfirmed" players to see if anything sticks out about his reads of WG/KA/Necarg.
A good scum player should put some truth in their scum reads to give themselves credibility.
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The way I see it, we have a 66% chance to live another day.
Vote Proph
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proph, if your first two are what you said you were, why do you need the only player you named to be dead? or is that to go back to being survivor?
Once the player I Name is dead then I'm a regular survivor. I need to have Jobie be dead and survive to win.
Vote Jobie
Yeah I realize this isn't going to get me out of my predicament but whatever - I don't deserve to win this game anyways. Played pretty poorly for a Neutral and didn't take this game seriously, though. Was operating with a legit townie mindset most of the game which is why I hopped lynches D1 and defended both Az and Charm, then survivor apathy kicked in D2 and yeah.
I'm trying to avoid a mislynch tomorrow, so excuse me for actually trying to put some effort into the game.
WG, you're doing the exact same thing you did in Avant Garde: tunnelvisioning and making it too easy for the scum to just glide by. The only problem for me is this game, I'm going to be a mislynched townie instead of a scum reaping the benefits.
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My read on you is based off the fact that you are tied to DCIII and DCIII is scum.
Because reasons?
Because Seppel's cases showed it. Also POE. And I think there were some other reasons I had earlier but forgot too, but I don't care enough to go back and search for them since I'm feeling pretty certain about it based on the other two alone.
"LOL cuz Seppel sed so" isn't good enough. "cuz PoE and reasons" isn't good enough either when we're at LYLO tomorrow. PoE is especially bull***** when you haven't given a good reason to clear Necarg or KA.
Give. Me. Something. To. Respond. To.
Show some ******* effort.
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@Seppel/WG I think you both are suffering from recency bias and lack of a recent townie data point for me. I don't think anything I've done is that off of town play. If I'm lynched, we lose.
Also, I find it very strange that Seppel is putting me in front of one of his scum results for lynch order.
I'm not basing my read on you off of meta.
My read on you is based off the fact that you are tied to DCIII and DCIII is scum.
the problem is, proph's role doesn't really seem anti-town enough to knock a scum off the scumteam
so if it's not dc/jobie/proph then who can it be? It's still DC/Jobie,but it can't be KA because KA can't be scum with DC.I don't really think it's necarg because dc/jobie wouldn't allow him to claim it (probably wouldn't even suggest to claim it in the first place). Can't be Seppel because Seppel can't be scum. Can't be Az because he's been fully uncc'd.
one of these assumptions is wrong, or else Proph is lying. It's such an involved claim though
Proph: What would happen if you had named no one? Would it be impossible for you to win at that point?
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Seppels cases are good, and he's pointing to proph dc jobie and that makes sense
But seppels replies to dc are not good at all
On the other hand, dc is making good points about seppel, but it hinges on a scum team that doesn't make sense. All he has on ka is seppel and that he didn't re cc. But neither of those really does anything to make ka scum. And necarg is not much better. Plus, it feels like bad play to clear both buddies. Not to mention if ka and necarg were scum under seppel, things would fall apart quick.
I think that Iso would have figured out seppel. I can't shake that feeling, now that I have it in my head. KA is also undoubtedly town despite the misplays.
KA town points to dc scum. Dc scum means jobie scum. Proph is scum in a vacuum and seppel also tied him to dc and jobie well.
I gotta choose the rock or the hard place. The hard place makes sense to me.
I wrote this very slowly during breaks and lunch on my phone so i hope it makes sense
Bolded section: WHY? (maybe if I keep reading I’ll find something)
Also, the rest of this post sounds like the actual WIFOM scene in Princess Bride.
I've been coming to the same conclusion as you DC3. Complete /barn of that post.
I'd like to hear from Az, WG, and Proph before we proceed with stringing up Seppel. I'd also like to go reread ISO from yesterday.
I do not want to lynch Seppel right now. Possibly even if I decided he's scum.
DC keeps making good points but Seppel is trying really hard and I badly want him to be town because he never tries anymore and I *like* when he tries goddammit.
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Jobie's response is really good. He's also Jobie, so as much as I want to take him off the table I don't think it's prudent given that he fooled us all last game.
So you’re using recency bias to not clear me, despite my behavior. K
Anything before this is from Day 2. Is that hard enough for you? Or will you actually put forth a micron of effort and show me what I've missed.
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Prophylaxis, Neutral Name-Collector
Your abilities are:
1. During the Day, you may vote.
2. Once per Day, you may Name.
Your win conditions are:
You win and leave the game when you have Named three players over the course of the game.
or
You win and leave the game if you're alive when you have Named 1/2 of the living players, rounded up.
or This win condition will be/was hidden until all players have been Named:
If you're alive at the end of the game, and no other living players have been named by you, you win the game.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
instead he's a really inept hitman
actually hold on
proph, if your first two are what you said you were, why do you need the only player you named to be dead? or is that to go back to being survivor?
I don't need the answer toDay.
Also, now that we're hitting night, final disclosure: I never copped Proph. It was N2 Azrael town, N3 DCIII mafia. I left a hidden message in my comment to Wheat about Cataro (there's a sentence that just makes no sense that says to read my first post of the day), and I thought I was caught for sure when DCIII quoted it, but then he went on some buddying rant instead of noticing that he was already dead in the water at that point.
Why lie about Proph? Az said it best: You believed me more when I had two guilties. And when you're a cop who's about to reveal, you always reaction-test. Always.
Why tell the truth when it doesn't really matter? I don't want you people to go crazy and accidentally lynch Az.
Vote DCIII
Good luck y'all.
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Seppel, that was a dick move to Proph when you'd already won the game. That was my point, I'd misunderstood him earlier. He's saying he wins if he's alive when the game ends and Jobie is dead. You could have let him win too. The game was over already... and now it is, just he doesn't get to win.
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DCIII/TheFebbre has been lynched.
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4. When you Name a player, you learn their role.
5. At Night, you may choose to steal the role of any living player you have Named. You keep your alignment, but lose all of your other abilities from your original role, then gain all abilities that player had for the rest of the game (you cannot gain alternate win conditions this way). That player becomes vanilla after that night concludes.
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Your abilities are:
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2. Once per Day, you may Name.
3. During the night, you may choose a Named player and learn their alignment.
It is now Day 4. With 6 alive it is 4 to lynch.
The deadline is September 3rd.
vote Jobie
in which I barn Seppel's ghost for the rest of the game
1) Proph is telling the truth AND there was a 3 man scum team - Town Loss
2) Proph is telling the truth AND there was a 2 man scum team - 3 town V 1 Scum LYLO situation; likely with Az NK'ed. WG/KA/Jobie/Necarg alive
3) Proph is lying and is actually scum with a 3 man scum team - 3 town V 1 Scum LYLO situation; likely with Az NK'ed. WG/KA/Jobie/Necarg alive
The problem here is we're potentially punting on finding scum today, much like Day 2 was a bum-rush lynch.
@Everyone but Proph (because anything Proph says is WIFOM at this point) Who are your top 2 scum suspects coming into today?
I'm at Proph and KA. I'm forcing myself to believe Necarg's miller claim even though he's not done anything inherently townie this game and WG's when named ability isn't strictly town, but it's close enough at this point. KA has been lurk-tastic for the recent stretch and that seems out of character. Also the "LOL I'M GOING TO PARROT SEPPEL ITT" post to open the day is bad.
Also, I'm quoting this to hopefully remind myself in the post game that "LOL Seppel, I'm actually awful"
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I think I still have to go with Proph/Jobie for scum, myself. Proph's explanations feel full of holes; rather like something I'd come up with when I know I'm caught and bull*****ting. Granted, not everyone is as insane when it comes to claims as I am, but it feels patched together. Meanwhile, Jobie is tied pretty close to DC and that also hasn't changed.
You go down the list of everyone else and no one else can really be scum. KA is still super townie, even if no one else sees it, Necarg would never be allowed to claim miller on Day 3 with DC as a buddy, Az is now 100% confirmed.
I think I'd rather lynch Jobie first only because of the small likelihood of Proph telling the truth; there's a chance the game might end there with Proph winning too.
Lurking is null for KA.
Indeed.
Proph's a safer bet to not instantly lose the game. He's got not only behavior against him, but also that wretched claim in response to Seppel's faked cop result. I have very little doubt that claim was a desperation move to explain a scum result, not something that was likely to be included. Jobie's only got about the same measure of bad behavior, but didn't botch his claim.
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I seem to remember someone saying that normally you lurk as scum, but your posting in that game is what caused you to be scum. I honestly didn't pay that close attention to the reasons behind your wagon besides the fact that I wanted to bus you into the ground.
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I only get more and more certain of my reads.
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I feel better with a proph lynch than a Jobie lynch. KA seems pretty null at the moment. I don't really think that Proph and Jobie are scumbuddies at this point though, so KA becomes a bit more scummy in my eyes. Still good with a Proph lynch, though.
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I guess I'm going to have to reread KA and decide if there's a case in there (when I'm back to dual screen action on Tuesday).
I'm also going to go over DC3's reads of the other 3 "unconfirmed" players to see if anything sticks out about his reads of WG/KA/Necarg.
A good scum player should put some truth in their scum reads to give themselves credibility.
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Jobie: why do you keep talking about tomorrow and not today?
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Does anyone have anything important to say? I feel like I covered everything I wanted to say yesterDay myself.
See ya'all in the spec chat.
Vote Proph.
The way I see it, we have a 66% chance to live another day.
Vote Proph
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Once the player I Name is dead then I'm a regular survivor. I need to have Jobie be dead and survive to win.
Vote Jobie
Yeah I realize this isn't going to get me out of my predicament but whatever - I don't deserve to win this game anyways. Played pretty poorly for a Neutral and didn't take this game seriously, though. Was operating with a legit townie mindset most of the game which is why I hopped lynches D1 and defended both Az and Charm, then survivor apathy kicked in D2 and yeah.
Good game everyone, see you in postgame.
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Just accept that you are caught dude
Good luck, town - hope you guys win!
WG, you're doing the exact same thing you did in Avant Garde: tunnelvisioning and making it too easy for the scum to just glide by. The only problem for me is this game, I'm going to be a mislynched townie instead of a scum reaping the benefits.
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And toDay too
I have been doing nothing but showing reasons as to why it has to be you, proph, and dc.
"LOL cuz Seppel sed so" isn't good enough. "cuz PoE and reasons" isn't good enough either when we're at LYLO tomorrow. PoE is especially bull***** when you haven't given a good reason to clear Necarg or KA.
Give. Me. Something. To. Respond. To.
Show some ******* effort.
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Post 871:
Yeah. It was a bad case because it wasn’t a case. It was a comment on KA’s behavior ITT.
Post 832:
WHY? (I suppose I can just keep reading)
Post 827
To all 3 bolded sections with different formatting: WHY? (my search continues)
Post 772
Bolded section: WHY? (maybe if I keep reading I’ll find something)
Also, the rest of this post sounds like the actual WIFOM scene in Princess Bride.
Post 756
So you’re using recency bias to not clear me, despite my behavior. K
Anything before this is from Day 2. Is that hard enough for you? Or will you actually put forth a micron of effort and show me what I've missed.
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Prophylaxis/OctopusToes has been lynched.
Prophylaxis, Neutral Name-Collector
Your abilities are:
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2. Once per Day, you may Name.
Your win conditions are:
You win and leave the game when you have Named three players over the course of the game.
or
You win and leave the game if you're alive when you have Named 1/2 of the living players, rounded up.
or
This win condition will be/was hidden until all players have been Named:
If you're alive at the end of the game, and no other living players have been named by you, you win the game.
It is now Night 4. Please submit your night action within 3 days.
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Azrael, Town Priest has been killed.
KamikazeArchon, Town Skulk has been killed.
Jobie, Town Vanilla has been killed.
Wheat_Grinder, Mafia Mayor
Necarg, Mafia Manipulator
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Or Wheat for being sooooo damn townie the whole game.
Can't decide....
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@Seppel Still feel good?
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