Also while being careful not to modkill myself I realized that WG is probably lying scum because of what you can claim, which includes Special Ability name. For him to act counter to what the host says seems bogus.
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Iso what is your attack? This isn't a random question, I am asking for a specific reason.
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Hello again everyone. I am returned from my emergency absence.
Reading through the thread I have a few thoughts:
The size of this game and the new medium of forum-posts have me less than confident in my personal ability to find scum. I feel overwhelmed (though part of that is needing to catch up) by the lack of flips and the just general chaos. Do we even know how many scum there are? Of course, I know that there must be patterns in this madness, but it's hard for me to see the forest for the trees at this point. As a fix to this, I'm going to do a reread where I take notes on each person and post with my impressions, but that will take a few days. I will have it by the end of the week.
For now, I'll say that I favor plans of actions that give us more information. Like the claims or partial claims going on. I also feel fearful that it seems so difficult to "lynch" someone, and I agree with the people who are saying we should focus our attacks on at least one of the people with damage. Getting unification on something like that would be difficult, but difficult doesn't it wouldn't be worth it. This game system makes it more difficult to act in a group using teamwork, but I feel like that teamwork will be necessary if we don't want the scum to run circles around us.
I also now realize that I am far more comfortable trying to understand the game mechanically than the people in the game. Does anyone have example of good behavioral analysis from other games that I can use to try and get better at that part of the game?
I will be trying to post once a day for the next few days. If anyone directed any questions at me while I was gone, please let me know if I missed them.
I am so glad you favor information. In that case, given your clearly frazzled state, you won't mind giving us your class name and the name (you don't have to tell us what it does, but if you do remember you must paraphrase that part if you choose) of your special ability. Because you as scum are unlikely to have time to BS something, and refusal would be met with the thought that you aren't backing up your post's words with action.
Sounds great right?
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Haha, oh my god KoolKoal thinks I need everyone's permission to pursue what I think is right.
That is adorable. Mafia is a democracy only when it comes to votes my friend, playstyle I do what I want when I want and let the chips fall.
And he himself said he is fine with claims, so why not hold him to his word Koolkoal? Not cool? Pft, as if. He already agreed in principle, a good claim quickly would basically confirm the guy town due to circumstance. Your outrage only makes me want to go harder.
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Fine, 3/24 people are interested in claims.
Why do you think you alone are smarter than the rest of the players combined? Why are you above input from others? Your attitude makes sense for some things, but makes no sense for something this important.
If you really think Seppel made a mass claim more beneficial for town than scum, I have a bridge for sale you may be interested in.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
Last time I was in a game with Iso who I thought was town we murdered scum in horrible, glorious, bloody, and exciting fashion so I mean if I am asked "hey Chris, you and Iso agree something is good what are your thoughts?" I am going to think "well, I trust myself as a player and I know I am town, and I believe Iso is extremely skilled and if I think he is town agreeing with me that's two town players who I have trust in."
So I mean... maybe a little. I mean 5 of the players are scum. Like five are just barely above idle. Why should I value their opinion equally to my own? What have they done to earn that respect from me? One of them doesn't want this game to be like a game where town crushed scum by the way, just saying. No, I will never forget you said that Proph.
I can't force anyone to claim, but I can hold someone to their word in Dante.
Also for all of your 'nooooo!' you have done nothing but emptily fear monger the mass claim. "Oh man, if you think this could help town let me make a joke about how gullible you are." Please. I am no mafia newbie, and I've been hearing and disproving that mass claims hurt town for years now. It's empty rhetoric most of the time, moreso now without a legitimate kill shot for scum to enforce their will upon town.
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Seppel is one of the few people I respect enough(I would go as far to say one of two) at designing unbreakable setups. There is literally nothing good that can come of focusing on the numbers and moving pieces at least at this early stage. Scum will just play coy and not give up any info while we spill stuff all over the board.
So, like, can we not do this? Thank you!
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Did you know that part of why I like MTGS is that the players here are really, really good at scumhunting through behavioral analysis and it's part of why I continue to play here?
Games like this distinctly circumvent the best advantage we have. I'm sure this game isn't nearly as ****ed as Celestial was(and what a dreary game that was oh god).
See discussion is fine, I don't mind being debated.
But then what is this: Fiend - Mafia-only job class.
Does mafia not have any Fiends? <_<.
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Although I will say if the game was truly randomized then town probably doesn't have any 'important roles' and everyone does neat things that help town in a somewhat balanced way so I don't get the logic!
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What do you make of the fact that WG is claiming he cannot give information that the opening post said could be given out? If not scummy, please explain in as much detail as possible!
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Seppel is one of the few people I respect enough(I would go as far to say one of two) at designing unbreakable setups. There is literally nothing good that can come of focusing on the numbers and moving pieces at least at this early stage. Scum will just play coy and not give up any info while we spill stuff all over the board.
So, like, can we not do this? Thank you!
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Games like this distinctly circumvent the best advantage we have. I'm sure this game isn't nearly as ****ed as Celestial was(and what a dreary game that was oh god).
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I will continue to attack you untilyou are dead. Good day, sir.
What do you make of the fact that WG is claiming he cannot give information that the opening post said could be given out? If not scummy, please explain in as much detail as possible!
He's either town that doesn't want to out his role and is claiming that so he doesn't have to out his role information, or he's scum and full of *****. Simple.
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I would think a town caught in one lie would just give up on the lying business but maybe I am just old fashioned.
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you know, I'll give this to you Chris: I think an (almost)-all-cards-on-the-table massclaim is the only kind that will work Today, but there are a few things I want hidden for now:
- current health (for the cases that I mentioned earlier; I think overall leaning town and town reads should keep this hidden until the endgame, if we need to crunch numbers)
- speed (that knowledge is way too exploitable by scum; we can claim this as needed, since I don't think we have much to gain on keeping scum accountable for truthful speed claims)
- ability choices (except when important to be revealed on a case-by-case basis)
I want more opinions on this Chris's idea that aren't baseless fearmongering, because in light of no flips and what seems to me an atypical Mafia/Garland NK (or NKs plural), more direction would be appreciated
I'll think about this the rest of lower-case today
What do you make of the fact that WG is claiming he cannot give information that the opening post said could be given out? If not scummy, please explain in as much detail as possible!
seems null to me; either scum trying to weave a web of lies or town treading carefully so as not to be modkilled
I wish you had asked him directly what his ability name is yesterDay, when you picked up on this -- it's too late for me to read into his lack of an ability name claim either way
If scum have the same roles we do, then how are we giving them any information they don't already have?
Not sure if Iso, or Iso.
On Wheat: He's only giving himself one Day at a time right now, and with no deaths so far, its almost like we're still on Day 1 of a normal mafia game. I'm willing to wait and hear him out even if my BS detector keeps beeping. He'll have to explain himself sooner rather than later.
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Also Relm it only occurred to me 3 hours ago, not yesterday!
Also good news I don't care about any of that stuff that you want to be censored, so sure.
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Also Relm it only occurred to me 3 hours ago, not yesterday!
ah, okay
the thing that did start to bother me about Wheat's claim is #880/#934 -- I see flashes of the "just make it past toDay" mentality that I've seen in cornered scum before (and had as scum before myself). I'm afraid that if Wheat is scum, I and several others cut him a blank cheque to BS his way through his falseclaim piece by piece
so yeah, /barn Meg, I want explanation from Wheat on the ability name immediately
Also good news I don't care about any of that stuff that you want to be censored, so sure.
okay
I'm leaning toward the claim, but want people to try to talk me out of it with reasoning that isn't "this is a Seppel game" (which I bought into yesterDay, but this game is even less like traditional Mafia than I thought)
@Chris: 2, but I reserve the right to change this answer if I check my role PM later and it turns out I misremembered. I can double-check when I'm home.
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I don't want you to justify your Proph attack, because it's null!Iso, but can you step back and tell me how unilateral attacks at the drop of a hat help us?
Relm: I believe that excessive focus on mechanics will kill us. If we do need to go with a direction of some sort, then I'd prefer to keep it simple - limiting attacks to X scummy players or maybe the vote thing is something I can get behind.
This is something I will be thinking about when I finally get around to rereading.
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@Relm: I agree that writing T/S list doesn't help me to find scum, but I heard letting other's know what you think is a part of this game. Also, ISOing is how I focus on players one at time. Otherwise, it's too easy for me to forget who said what and how peoples opinions and stances change.
@Sepi: If my play in xkcd was similar to my play in Animal mafia, what do you make of it that I was mafia in one game and town in another? (Also, this comment bothers me. I got this tingling feeling that Sepi's looking for more evidence to fit her reads and not the opposite.)
@Proph: That's called questioning, not attacking.
Also, Iso claiming to be a fighter and having ATK 2 bothers me.
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Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
as far as we know, Proph was at 100% health before your attack, and Chris is the only player to have recently expressed a desire/willingness to attack Proph (and not directly at that). let's say you can deal 8 damage per Day to Proph on average from now until the end of the game -- what happens if no one else joins you? what happens if you have to chip away at, like, 60 HP by yourself? worst case, Proph doesn't flip until the endgame
your attack is not a dayvig/vig shot, so stop treating it like one. Day 1 was the time to lay a foundation with instinct attacks; now that we have the foundation we need to start building on top of it. you want Proph dead, then case him and win us over -- I for one have been keeping one eye on Proph, but there are probably half a dozen players I'd rather attack, some of them more than "a step closer" to a flip
@Relm: I agree that writing T/S list doesn't help me to find scum, but I heard letting other's know what you think is a part of this game. Also, ISOing is how I focus on players one at time. Otherwise, it's too easy for me to forget who said what and how peoples opinions and stances change.
why would we care what you think? (this isn't an insult; I want to know your mindset)
if the T/S list is for our benefit, how are we supposed to benefit from it?
you know Iso, I was going to say you're undervaluing interaction analysis, but maybe you're overvaluing your ability to analyze interactions without mistakes
we're going to get scum flips later than normal in this setup -- and we can't avoid that -- but that leaves us less wiggle room and a lower margin of error to analyze interactions between dead and living players, even if there are more interactions to work with. hell, we've already partially "mislynched" several townies by whittling down their HP (our cumulative attacks on town have maybe even amounted to a full "mislynch," but we don't know it). we have, what? 5 mafia to catch? even if, let's say, you have 4 of them on the ropes (i.e. even if Bur, Cythare, and Proph are all scum and your attacks are all on point), we'll have little margin of error to catch that fifth one since we'll have wasted mislynches and fractions of mislynches getting even the first scum to flip
this isn't about you catching one mafia, it's about catching all ~5 of them before we run out of mis-attacks, which pure behavioral analysis may not be able to do
@Relm: Doesn't that mean that we'll get more flips at once, though? That means we have a whole chockful of analysis to do all at once instead of questioning what direction to go. I don't care who we attack at what frequency as long as they're people I'm scumreading. You're overvaluing flips - as long as we have multiple bodies at once, sure, we might hurt some townies, but whatever. I'm a tank and my damage will start adding up as I level. I'm confident in my analysis. The question is, why aren't you?
I've been casing Proph piece by piece since yesterDay.
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I am going to feel very stupid if Wheat is scum bsing his way through everything but he is a man after my own heart for attacking hunt with me so I mean
Granted, I haven't actually attacked him yet. But I probably will.
Also while being careful not to modkill myself I realized that WG is probably lying scum because of what you can claim, which includes Special Ability name. For him to act counter to what the host says seems bogus.
I didn't ask Seppel specifically if I could claim the name of that ability; I just assumed I couldn't since at level 1 I couldn't say any details whatsoever except for hints, and it wasn't specifically stated that I could state the name of it with level 2. Just sent him a PM, I'll relay what he says.
I will add that I think the claiming section of the OP is meant to be a general situation, and my role is probably one of only a few (if any others exist) that is further restricted in what it can claim. And even then I'm still allowed to claim Class, Alignment, Stats, even my other ability; it's just the one ability that's locked down.
you know, I'll give this to you Chris: I think an (almost)-all-cards-on-the-table massclaim is the only kind that will work Today, but there are a few things I want hidden for now:
- current health (for the cases that I mentioned earlier; I think overall leaning town and town reads should keep this hidden until the endgame, if we need to crunch numbers)
- speed (that knowledge is way too exploitable by scum; we can claim this as needed, since I don't think we have much to gain on keeping scum accountable for truthful speed claims)
- ability choices (except when important to be revealed on a case-by-case basis)
I want more opinions on this Chris's idea that aren't baseless fearmongering, because in light of no flips and what seems to me an atypical Mafia/Garland NK (or NKs plural), more direction would be appreciated
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I think we should avoid claiming levelup choices as well.
A mass class claim is ok.
Wait, are you saying claiming Attack is ok?
And Re: Wheat: wait... two abilities? I thought we all only had one till we multiclassed? I dislike this new turn of events.
Also, Re: Relm. I've been thinking. You're putting a lot of eggs in one basket if you're scum. I think TMCT would not be so bold D1 as scum.
And I'll claim whatever. I see no problem with it, as far as my personal class and stuff goes. I'd just prefer not to claim ability description, so scum can't use that.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
And Re: Wheat: wait... two abilities? I thought we all only had one till we multiclassed? I dislike this new turn of events.
Apparently not; I've got two abilities and only one class.
I'll just go ahead and claim the other ability is Haste. It doesn't seem terribly useful, since I doubt SPD really matters in 90% of cases. Regardless, I cast it on Chris.
Okay I am starting to roll back around on thinking WG is just very misunderstood town because I just checked my speed stat and it is unchanged from game start to end of night 1.
I don't see how a scum WG could possibly just pile on lies after lies and hope no one would notice. This one topping the cake.
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You know Wheat that would have looked better if you had mentioned that fact in the post you explained it.
I am seriously tired but I am feeling like I am being meta'd right now @_@. Wheat my man if you are town we need to work on your role explanations.
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Gotta be wrong somewhere. Confident about that top 3 grouping, though.
Hmm.
Hey, Killjoy, what made you suddenly decide I wasn't scum? Weren't you OMGUSing me earlier for saying that your lack of reading reminded me of The Wall? What changed?
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@Sepi: If my play in xkcd was similar to my play in Animal mafia, what do you make of it that I was mafia in one game and town in another? (Also, this comment bothers me. I got this tingling feeling that Sepi's looking for more evidence to fit her reads and not the opposite.)
1. What i found similar was how you where a non-entity throughout your time there, you had 9 posts total i think 1-2 of which came after endgame, that's what resonated with me the strongest between the two games.
2. Playstyle wise you where similar but there is a much more eager attempt in Animal that was not present in xkcd, you tried to hide behind info dumps and promises which never came true.
3. what i found similar to your games was that you were more active in the early game in your town game, but like your scum game you are bein active without really being productive.
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Reading through the thread I have a few thoughts:
The size of this game and the new medium of forum-posts have me less than confident in my personal ability to find scum. I feel overwhelmed (though part of that is needing to catch up) by the lack of flips and the just general chaos. Do we even know how many scum there are? Of course, I know that there must be patterns in this madness, but it's hard for me to see the forest for the trees at this point. As a fix to this, I'm going to do a reread where I take notes on each person and post with my impressions, but that will take a few days. I will have it by the end of the week.
For now, I'll say that I favor plans of actions that give us more information. Like the claims or partial claims going on. I also feel fearful that it seems so difficult to "lynch" someone, and I agree with the people who are saying we should focus our attacks on at least one of the people with damage. Getting unification on something like that would be difficult, but difficult doesn't it wouldn't be worth it. This game system makes it more difficult to act in a group using teamwork, but I feel like that teamwork will be necessary if we don't want the scum to run circles around us.
I also now realize that I am far more comfortable trying to understand the game mechanically than the people in the game. Does anyone have example of good behavioral analysis from other games that I can use to try and get better at that part of the game?
I will be trying to post once a day for the next few days. If anyone directed any questions at me while I was gone, please let me know if I missed them.
Sounds great right?
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How is 2/24 (25?) people enough that you think this is the accepted idea?
Iso and you claiming before everyone's agreed to a mass claim out of your own free will was bad enough, but this is not cool.
That is adorable. Mafia is a democracy only when it comes to votes my friend, playstyle I do what I want when I want and let the chips fall.
And he himself said he is fine with claims, so why not hold him to his word Koolkoal? Not cool? Pft, as if. He already agreed in principle, a good claim quickly would basically confirm the guy town due to circumstance. Your outrage only makes me want to go harder.
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Why do you think you alone are smarter than the rest of the players combined? Why are you above input from others? Your attitude makes sense for some things, but makes no sense for something this important.
If you really think Seppel made a mass claim more beneficial for town than scum, I have a bridge for sale you may be interested in.
So I mean... maybe a little. I mean 5 of the players are scum. Like five are just barely above idle. Why should I value their opinion equally to my own? What have they done to earn that respect from me? One of them doesn't want this game to be like a game where town crushed scum by the way, just saying. No, I will never forget you said that Proph.
I can't force anyone to claim, but I can hold someone to their word in Dante.
Also for all of your 'nooooo!' you have done nothing but emptily fear monger the mass claim. "Oh man, if you think this could help town let me make a joke about how gullible you are." Please. I am no mafia newbie, and I've been hearing and disproving that mass claims hurt town for years now. It's empty rhetoric most of the time, moreso now without a legitimate kill shot for scum to enforce their will upon town.
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But then what is this: Fiend - Mafia-only job class.
Does mafia not have any Fiends? <_<.
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QUESTION TIME:
What do you make of the fact that WG is claiming he cannot give information that the opening post said could be given out? If not scummy, please explain in as much detail as possible!
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If scum have the same roles we do, then how are we giving them any information they don't already have?
Attack Prophylaxis
I will continue to attack you untilyou are dead. Good day, sir.
He's either town that doesn't want to out his role and is claiming that so he doesn't have to out his role information, or he's scum and full of *****. Simple.
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- current health (for the cases that I mentioned earlier; I think overall leaning town and town reads should keep this hidden until the endgame, if we need to crunch numbers)
- speed (that knowledge is way too exploitable by scum; we can claim this as needed, since I don't think we have much to gain on keeping scum accountable for truthful speed claims)
- ability choices (except when important to be revealed on a case-by-case basis)
I want more opinions on this Chris's idea that aren't baseless fearmongering, because in light of no flips and what seems to me an atypical Mafia/Garland NK (or NKs plural), more direction would be appreciated
I'll think about this the rest of lower-case today
no idea, I must've slept through it~
seems null to me; either scum trying to weave a web of lies or town treading carefully so as not to be modkilled
I wish you had asked him directly what his ability name is yesterDay, when you picked up on this -- it's too late for me to read into his lack of an ability name claim either way
Iso, you're in the wrong setup for this *****
we're not in D1 anymore; you can't keep treating your attacks like dayvigs because they're mechanically not
On Wheat: He's only giving himself one Day at a time right now, and with no deaths so far, its almost like we're still on Day 1 of a normal mafia game. I'm willing to wait and hear him out even if my BS detector keeps beeping. He'll have to explain himself sooner rather than later.
Oh, Chris, I forgot to ask - did you want my ATK before I leveled it, after, or both?
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Also Relm it only occurred to me 3 hours ago, not yesterday!
Also good news I don't care about any of that stuff that you want to be censored, so sure.
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ah, okay
the thing that did start to bother me about Wheat's claim is #880/#934 -- I see flashes of the "just make it past toDay" mentality that I've seen in cornered scum before (and had as scum before myself). I'm afraid that if Wheat is scum, I and several others cut him a blank cheque to BS his way through his falseclaim piece by piece
so yeah, /barn Meg, I want explanation from Wheat on the ability name immediately
okay
I'm leaning toward the claim, but want people to try to talk me out of it with reasoning that isn't "this is a Seppel game" (which I bought into yesterDay, but this game is even less like traditional Mafia than I thought)
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what compelled you to say this?
do you even lift
I don't want you to justify your Proph attack, because it's null!Iso, but can you step back and tell me how unilateral attacks at the drop of a hat help us?
This is something I will be thinking about when I finally get around to rereading.
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@Sepi: If my play in xkcd was similar to my play in Animal mafia, what do you make of it that I was mafia in one game and town in another? (Also, this comment bothers me. I got this tingling feeling that Sepi's looking for more evidence to fit her reads and not the opposite.)
@Proph: That's called questioning, not attacking.
Also, Iso claiming to be a fighter and having ATK 2 bothers me.
you need to snap out of this mentality
as far as we know, Proph was at 100% health before your attack, and Chris is the only player to have recently expressed a desire/willingness to attack Proph (and not directly at that). let's say you can deal 8 damage per Day to Proph on average from now until the end of the game -- what happens if no one else joins you? what happens if you have to chip away at, like, 60 HP by yourself? worst case, Proph doesn't flip until the endgame
your attack is not a dayvig/vig shot, so stop treating it like one. Day 1 was the time to lay a foundation with instinct attacks; now that we have the foundation we need to start building on top of it. you want Proph dead, then case him and win us over -- I for one have been keeping one eye on Proph, but there are probably half a dozen players I'd rather attack, some of them more than "a step closer" to a flip
why would we care what you think? (this isn't an insult; I want to know your mindset)
if the T/S list is for our benefit, how are we supposed to benefit from it?
we're going to get scum flips later than normal in this setup -- and we can't avoid that -- but that leaves us less wiggle room and a lower margin of error to analyze interactions between dead and living players, even if there are more interactions to work with. hell, we've already partially "mislynched" several townies by whittling down their HP (our cumulative attacks on town have maybe even amounted to a full "mislynch," but we don't know it). we have, what? 5 mafia to catch? even if, let's say, you have 4 of them on the ropes (i.e. even if Bur, Cythare, and Proph are all scum and your attacks are all on point), we'll have little margin of error to catch that fifth one since we'll have wasted mislynches and fractions of mislynches getting even the first scum to flip
this isn't about you catching one mafia, it's about catching all ~5 of them before we run out of mis-attacks, which pure behavioral analysis may not be able to do
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@Relm: Doesn't that mean that we'll get more flips at once, though? That means we have a whole chockful of analysis to do all at once instead of questioning what direction to go. I don't care who we attack at what frequency as long as they're people I'm scumreading. You're overvaluing flips - as long as we have multiple bodies at once, sure, we might hurt some townies, but whatever. I'm a tank and my damage will start adding up as I level. I'm confident in my analysis. The question is, why aren't you?
I've been casing Proph piece by piece since yesterDay.
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Granted, I haven't actually attacked him yet. But I probably will.
I didn't ask Seppel specifically if I could claim the name of that ability; I just assumed I couldn't since at level 1 I couldn't say any details whatsoever except for hints, and it wasn't specifically stated that I could state the name of it with level 2. Just sent him a PM, I'll relay what he says.
I will add that I think the claiming section of the OP is meant to be a general situation, and my role is probably one of only a few (if any others exist) that is further restricted in what it can claim. And even then I'm still allowed to claim Class, Alignment, Stats, even my other ability; it's just the one ability that's locked down.
I think we should avoid claiming levelup choices as well.
A mass class claim is ok.
Wait, are you saying claiming Attack is ok?
And Re: Wheat: wait... two abilities? I thought we all only had one till we multiclassed? I dislike this new turn of events.
Also, Re: Relm. I've been thinking. You're putting a lot of eggs in one basket if you're scum. I think TMCT would not be so bold D1 as scum.
And I'll claim whatever. I see no problem with it, as far as my personal class and stuff goes. I'd just prefer not to claim ability description, so scum can't use that.
how well do you know scum!TMCT? I don't think he's played with you before
Apparently not; I've got two abilities and only one class.
I'll just go ahead and claim the other ability is Haste. It doesn't seem terribly useful, since I doubt SPD really matters in 90% of cases. Regardless, I cast it on Chris.
I don't see how a scum WG could possibly just pile on lies after lies and hope no one would notice. This one topping the cake.
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I am seriously tired but I am feeling like I am being meta'd right now @_@. Wheat my man if you are town we need to work on your role explanations.
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Going to dinner with my dad now. I'll reread and post tonight.
I don't believe that Seppel would make a game where some of the roles can't be claimed. That sounds insane.
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Wheat's claim further reinforces his towniness.
You're backing off on your ENDLESS TUNNEL?
Cythare
Mistersins?
Killjoy?
(DCIII...?)
Gotta be wrong somewhere. Confident about that top 3 grouping, though.
Hmm.
Hey, Killjoy, what made you suddenly decide I wasn't scum? Weren't you OMGUSing me earlier for saying that your lack of reading reminded me of The Wall? What changed?
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I claimed Haste the same way you claimed Protect though.
1. What i found similar was how you where a non-entity throughout your time there, you had 9 posts total i think 1-2 of which came after endgame, that's what resonated with me the strongest between the two games.
2. Playstyle wise you where similar but there is a much more eager attempt in Animal that was not present in xkcd, you tried to hide behind info dumps and promises which never came true.
3. what i found similar to your games was that you were more active in the early game in your town game, but like your scum game you are bein active without really being productive.
Oh i love Haste, makes my turn go by quicker, i would love some Haste goodness but you hate me so you definitely wont do that im sure
Attacks Remaining
But really, you all should sheep me and save me the effort.
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