Caught up. Didn't really follow the vague discussion about tells. I don't trust imab as far as I can throw him. I liked plows disassociative slip comment and don't care for his responses this far, seems ingenuine. I trust BE2 even less. Why are you trying to dissuade two people that the other is likely town less than 50 posts in? Is it because you know they are since they aren't on your team? ]
No it's because they are both obvious town and I don't want a townvtown to dominate the game.
The funny thing about that tell is that it is awful.
It is an awful tell, but it's not awful to suspect someone for making it. A scum mindset absolutely has the potential to lead to it, especially a newer scum mindset. So remind me how many games you've played (with town/scum ratio, if possible)? And did any of those games discuss this tell (quotes would be nice if you can manage them)?
I used to vote people for grammar "slips", but then I realized that (many) people just make errors. Now I have grammar slips in my "minor chip against that player" category.
His vote on Hansanator is bad, given that it's a second vote piling on top of a first vote that was clearly not a serious one. Over-explanation of setup theory very early in the game. And lastly, he votes BE2 based on disagreeing with BE2 saying 'that tell is awful'. But we don't even know which tell BE2 is referring to. All in all, this feels like a surprisingly good wagon to be involved in, especially considering how early in the game we are.
I like most of this, except for that last line. You sound a little self-conscious about being on an early wagon.
Cyan probably isn't though.
He misidenties my RVS as serious on hansanator. Then he call the set-up theory an "over explanation" when it's clearly not. Lastly he claims "we" can't identify the tell BE2 is referring to when myself, BE2 and cantripmancer all recognize it. Probably more people would have recognized it too but BE2 spilled the beans.
I've read Cyan's post several times, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying he couldn't identify the tell; he was saying that he didn't presume to know what BE was talking about. That last line feels off...almost like you wish other people had made vague or outright references to knowing the tell before Cyan posted so you'd have "more" on Cyan. Slight blur on BE2 for "spilling the beans".
And I didn't say I think 2 votes is piling on, I was recounting what Cyan said. Again, that's quite obvious from what I wrote. You're misrepping everyone.
Wait, what? Let's take another look at what you said:
...and I'm pretty sure there's a misrep in there - Cyan didn't say imab's vote was bad because it was serious, he said imab's vote was bad because it was piling on after another RVS vote.
But I didn't presume to know and vote him over it, after he had already received multiple other votes in rapid succession.
So it seems to me that Cyan's talking about his (Cyan's) position, which would be the fourth vote on BE, not IMAB's position, which was only the 2nd vote. So, Kami, your statement feels like a misrep.
"It is an awful tell, but it's not awful to suspect someone for making it. A scum mindset absolutely has the potential to lead to it, especially a newer scum mindset. So remind me how many games you've played (with town/scum ratio, if possible)? And did any of those games discuss this tell (quotes would be nice if you can manage them)?"
Completed games here would be...Dinosaurs...uPick...Porcelain Waltz...TWD...Castlevania...Xymande. Of those I was scum in Castlevania only and I've never discussed that tell I don't believe.
"Because it's IMAB, or because he's setup speccing?"
Because he's setup speccing. A newer (I assume from postcount) player trying to be productive early game is good.
"If you're town and really did this on purpose, you've grown a LOT since the last time we played together."
1. We never played together. You modded dinosaurs though.
2. Thanks!
"What specifically makes you say that (or: how is this game differing from any other game of Mafia, which you would, presumably, enjoy)?"
Because there has been far too much shouting for this early in this game.
"Ok, you're scum. You said you forgot your previous login info! Liar. "
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"I'm not liking Wheat, either."
Because he naked voted and is third on a wagon? STOP USING DUMB AND BAD TELlS GUYS KTHNX
"So it seems to me that Cyan's talking about his (Cyan's) position, which would be the fourth vote on BE, not IMAB's position, which was only the 2nd vote. So, Kami, your statement feels like a misrep."
Nonono, he's talking about the bit where Cyan said IMAB's RVS vote on (was it hans?) was bad. He's not saying Cyan said that his vote on me was bad.
Oh hey, we skipped RVS. This is the best game ever.
The problem is I have no idea why anyone is voting anyone else at the moment.
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I'm using my dimensionator to view alternate dimensions and parallel realities. I'm trying to locate the universe where a townie thinks the second vote on someone during RVS is "bad" and "piling on".
I'm trying to find a universe where a townie thinks OMGUS is a scumtell. Is there actually a universe where townies say these things?
Is there a universe where a townie says "I saw that tell but I didn't say anything or act on it".
I'm only seeing universes where scum act like that. Can someone explain the town thought process behind these behaviors?
That is an amazing post and I hope you are town for making it. The sardonic nature is real.
Admittedly I don't pay attention to RVS very much (down with RVS) but people cite OMGUS as scummy all day long.
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Okay now I understand why people are voting for people. It's because we still bother with RVS in the year 2015.
Person that stood out most to me in a town sort of way was Blindfaeth because they sum up my confusion on the tells pretty well.
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Did I call him obvtown? He isn't obvtown, but he was the person to really get the game rolling and his 2 posts look as if they are scumhunting well and such. I hate the case on him, anyway.
Also yeah, some people think that voting ppl outside of the game is a tell.
Businessman's voting then unvoting Burning_earth for a weak reason is scummy, and his aggressive behaviour re: Cyan and Kamikaze is cringeworthy. He does have that terrible-but-genuine vibe to him: his arguments are bad, but I don't think he realises it himself. He looks more like he's reacting emotionally and there is no strategic intent behind his OMGUSing. I have reversed my read on him.
Cyan justifies himself too much (/barn Cantrip), and this:
And I suspected what BE was being accused of as well. But I didn't presume to know and vote him over it, after he had already received multiple other votes in rapid succession.
sounds like he's covering his bases.
@Burning_earth: Can you explain why Cyan is obvtown?
Cantrip's vote is weaksauce but the rest of his post (57) is good, so I'm okay with him.
I had no idea that voting someone not in the game (in RVS) was supposed to be a scum-tell. Is this a new fad?
Also, I don't like it when people treat something unspoken as if it was obvious (eg: Cantrip's "Really? This feels like a bit of a reach" in response to Kamikaze's "How do you know what tell he's voting you for?"). It's not scummy, but it's very condescending.
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Oh wow you are so scum. The language that you use in this post is just..so bad. You try way too hard to justify 'reversing your read' on IMAB. You agree with Cantrip on something he said about me, and vote me for it, but he wasn't interpreting my post correctly in the first place. And how could I be 'covering my bases'; I was never involved in the BE2 wagon.
But yeah. ZDS is scum. When he is town, it is very obvious. His analysis is very sharp and spot on. That is not the case here, this post is extremely sloppy. Unvote, Vote ZDS OMGUS be damned.
Well I mean if he is town he would know that your analysis sucks. That'd be a pretty great reason to think you aren't doing so hot.
Burning Earth went into my playbook by trying to call something town v town and I don't know what to make of it. Especially the Cyan part. I feel Cyan is super sneaky as scum and not someone to hand waive so easily. BE what are your thoughts on Cyan's scum game?
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I wonder if any scum ever has said "I am sad no one voted me."
I am sure it has happened sometime across the multiple universes as stated by IAMB's posts, but I don't think I've ever seen it.
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Re: covering your bases: this was in reference to businessman calling you out on not recognising burning_earth's tell, and then you went "wait, I totally did recognise the tell, I swear".
Says my arguments are bad. Realizes my argument isn't bad and quotes/barns it in part. k.
I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people this game are going to be either terrible or scum. I need to adjust my playstyle immediately.
35 posts into the game and we have 2 real and competing wagons. And one of the people being wagon'ed is voting the other guy.
Vote IMAB
His vote on Hansanator is bad, given that it's a second vote piling on top of a first vote that was clearly not a serious one. Over-explanation of setup theory very early in the game. And lastly, he votes BE2 based on disagreeing with BE2 saying 'that tell is awful'. But we don't even know which tell BE2 is referring to. All in all, this feels like a surprisingly good wagon to be involved in, especially considering how early in the game we are.
The funny thing about that tell is that it is awful.
I wonder if any scum ever has said "I am sad no one voted me."
Doesn't matter. That is an all-around overwhelmingly townKilljoy post. I know this from the pixels and from seeing a number of Killjoys in my time. I will not be voting him ever unless there's, like, a cop shot on him or something.
I really need some of you guys that have been around for awhile to weigh in on ZDS here. If you're familiar with his play, it should be really apparent to you that he is not town.
@ZDS:
So, my analysis is not "sharp and spot on" because I'm... voting you? Is that all?
Actually, that is most of it. There is also the fact that you keep trying to make a big deal out of me 'trying to cover my bases'. *WHY* would I need to cover my bases there? Which tell BE was being accused of was 100% irrelevant for my argument. Accordingly, whether or not I knew about it was also 100% irrelevant. I stated a fact for the sake of starting a fact, and nothing more.
Relatedly, the idea that someone voting an out of game player in RVS is a scum tell is a complete and utter joke, for the record. That is like comically bad.
Can you comment on the contents of my paragraph re: businessman? Do you disagree with my observations?
This is also part of why your play is sloppy here. IMAB is very, very obviously an experienced player. As such, any arguments along the lines of 'he is terrible but doesn't know it' are immediately void. As an experienced player yourself, you should have reocgnized all of this. I am undecided, currently, as to whether you and IMAB are both scum. But I'm leaning toward 'ZDS is scum trying to look good by stepping in for a townie'. Especially considering that you know how I play, and likely figured that IMAB's terrible posting + my tendencies would lead to him at least being run up to a claim anyway.
16 people were standing in the town square, some more agitated than others. The silence was palpable. No one said a word, but they all knew: It had begun.
23 (imab): Setup gaming = bad, particularly when stating one role needs to be lynched the moment it's claimed.
28/29 (Huntz/Cantrip): is this RVS or am I missing something
33 (BE2): I hate this response so much and that's why I snap voted him.
35 (Plowshares): I mean, imab's post was awful but I don't think what you've said here is true.
41 (imab): Why did you select hans as your RVS vote?
43 (Cyan): "I'm neither of those things" really now. Why do you feel the need to say so?
45 (imab): imab is going too hard to the paint on this to be scum. Which is unfortunate because I want to vote him off the island because 1. everything he says is either wrong or noise and 2. despite my better judgement I find 1 scummy.
i actually agree with what imab says about be2 is this the apocalypse
51 (imab): it's gotta be the apocalypse because now he's right back to the tinfoil.
65 (imab): I'd go through and tell you the town mindsets but someone else already did. So I'll just say no u
67 (Chris): "I hope you are town for it"?
71 (ZDS): This is more of a general comment than specific reply, but if Cyan is scum it'll become obvious. I don't feel like going against Cyan right now even though there's some good points being made.
Not the hugest fan of BE2's backtrack either but I think it's reasonable ultimately.
Apparently I lied, Cyan is scum for post 76. That's the classic scum Cyan.
Unvote, Vote: Cyan
79 (KJ): Most of us had confirm puns. Most can hardly even be described as puns, either.
80 (Chris): I really dislike Chris' posts. He's just so...terribly uninvested. He feels like he's a spectator.
81 (imab): "Everyone this game is scum or terrible" I'm going to enjoy this game.
86 (Plowshares): really now
Chris, Plowshares, and Cyan. Cyan's wagon is popular enough right now, a lot of people are also on Plowshares' case already too
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Holy ***** I went back and read the context of this vote and Hunt is super town.
I'd just like to explain something about me. I'm dumb. Super-dumb. So when anyone says things like this, I am often confused. Please make it easier for idiots like me and give one sentence explanations for your posts guys.
I find it funny that a post where I express a town read on someone is something you think is uninvested. What a strange reason to vote me, Wheat.
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BE I have to ask did you suddenly get good at this game in the year since I last played with you? I mean you are making 'obvious town calls' that make no sense and now you are deriding my play. Like, what?
But if you want me to be useful I suppose I can be useful.
##vote: BE
Down with BE
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Anyway Wheat have you never seen a post that made you go "I hope this guy is town, that was a fun post that loses its luster if its made by scum just trying to be cool." Have you truly never? That's how I felt about IAMB's glorious post that was in reference to that. You have not lived until you have dared to hope like I often do.
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BE I have to ask did you suddenly get good at this game in the year since I last played with you? I mean you are making 'obvious town calls' that make no sense and now you are deriding my play. Like, what?
But if you want me to be useful I suppose I can be useful.
##vote: BE
Down with BE
Why do you think he's scum? Your post implies that you think he's scum because you think he thinks he's better than you, is that it?
BE I have to ask did you suddenly get good at this game in the year since I last played with you? I mean you are making 'obvious town calls' that make no sense and now you are deriding my play. Like, what?
But if you want me to be useful I suppose I can be useful.
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Down with BE
Uh, I improved a little maybe. The game I played with you was the last before my break, so I haven't changed much. Maybe I just haven't had time to fail badly at this game yet. Or maybe you're remembering me as different to what I am. Remember, I was scum when I played with you, so this town game is clearly different in some ways.
I'm not deriding your play in general. I just want you to contribute more this game.
I don't know what more you would want from me other than town reads this early, Wheat. It's like you've never played with me before.
As for our dear friend BE... who knows if he is scum or not, but I don't take kindly to being called useless by someone who I have very little respect for who parades around the topic like a rampaging rhino. So let's see if he bleeds.
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Anyway Wheat have you never seen a post that made you go "I hope this guy is town, that was a fun post that loses its luster if its made by scum just trying to be cool." Have you truly never? That's how I felt about IAMB's glorious post that was in reference to that. You have not lived until you have dared to hope like I often do.
I truly never have. Not only that but the idea doesn't make sense to me, can't it still be fun if he's scum? What does alignment have to do with humor?
Hell, you know that quote in Seppel's sig? I was scum when I said that, does that make it any less humorous?
All the above questions are philosophical. What really matters is that I think it's strange to hope for someone's alignment like that; it seems noncommittal with very mild overtones of buddying and I don't like it.
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No it's because they are both obvious town and I don't want a townvtown to dominate the game.
It is an awful tell, but it's not awful to suspect someone for making it. A scum mindset absolutely has the potential to lead to it, especially a newer scum mindset. So remind me how many games you've played (with town/scum ratio, if possible)? And did any of those games discuss this tell (quotes would be nice if you can manage them)?
I used to vote people for grammar "slips", but then I realized that (many) people just make errors. Now I have grammar slips in my "minor chip against that player" category.
Really? This feels like a bit of a reach.
I like most of this, except for that last line. You sound a little self-conscious about being on an early wagon.
Because it's IMAB, or because he's setup speccing?
I've read Cyan's post several times, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying he couldn't identify the tell; he was saying that he didn't presume to know what BE was talking about. That last line feels off...almost like you wish other people had made vague or outright references to knowing the tell before Cyan posted so you'd have "more" on Cyan. Slight blur on BE2 for "spilling the beans".
If you're town and really did this on purpose, you've grown a LOT since the last time we played together.
Wait, what? Let's take another look at what you said:
I feel like you're the one misrepping. Cyan said:
So it seems to me that Cyan's talking about his (Cyan's) position, which would be the fourth vote on BE, not IMAB's position, which was only the 2nd vote. So, Kami, your statement feels like a misrep.
What specifically makes you say that (or: how is this game differing from any other game of Mafia, which you would, presumably, enjoy)?
I had this thought, too, but I'm not getting that feel from BE. I think he's sincerely trying to prevent TvT.
Ok, you're scum. You said you forgot your previous login info! Liar.
Unvote, Vote KamikazeArchon
I'm not liking Wheat, either.
Completed games here would be...Dinosaurs...uPick...Porcelain Waltz...TWD...Castlevania...Xymande. Of those I was scum in Castlevania only and I've never discussed that tell I don't believe.
"Because it's IMAB, or because he's setup speccing?"
Because he's setup speccing. A newer (I assume from postcount) player trying to be productive early game is good.
"If you're town and really did this on purpose, you've grown a LOT since the last time we played together."
1. We never played together. You modded dinosaurs though.
2. Thanks!
"What specifically makes you say that (or: how is this game differing from any other game of Mafia, which you would, presumably, enjoy)?"
Because there has been far too much shouting for this early in this game.
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"I'm not liking Wheat, either."
Because he naked voted and is third on a wagon? STOP USING DUMB AND BAD TELlS GUYS KTHNX
Nonono, he's talking about the bit where Cyan said IMAB's RVS vote on (was it hans?) was bad. He's not saying Cyan said that his vote on me was bad.
The problem is I have no idea why anyone is voting anyone else at the moment.
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I'm using my dimensionator to view alternate dimensions and parallel realities. I'm trying to locate the universe where a townie thinks the second vote on someone during RVS is "bad" and "piling on".
I'm trying to find a universe where a townie thinks OMGUS is a scumtell. Is there actually a universe where townies say these things?
Is there a universe where a townie says "I saw that tell but I didn't say anything or act on it".
I'm only seeing universes where scum act like that. Can someone explain the town thought process behind these behaviors?
I've seen this quite a few times.
"I'm trying to find a universe where a townie thinks OMGUS is a scumtell."
Uh, a lot of people do. It isn't, but it is the single most-popular 'tell' probably
Admittedly I don't pay attention to RVS very much (down with RVS) but people cite OMGUS as scummy all day long.
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Chris read the thread dude.
Time to read the thread!
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Person that stood out most to me in a town sort of way was Blindfaeth because they sum up my confusion on the tells pretty well.
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Also yeah, some people think that voting ppl outside of the game is a tell.
Oh wow you are so scum. The language that you use in this post is just..so bad. You try way too hard to justify 'reversing your read' on IMAB. You agree with Cantrip on something he said about me, and vote me for it, but he wasn't interpreting my post correctly in the first place. And how could I be 'covering my bases'; I was never involved in the BE2 wagon.
But yeah. ZDS is scum. When he is town, it is very obvious. His analysis is very sharp and spot on. That is not the case here, this post is extremely sloppy. Unvote, Vote ZDS OMGUS be damned.
Burning Earth went into my playbook by trying to call something town v town and I don't know what to make of it. Especially the Cyan part. I feel Cyan is super sneaky as scum and not someone to hand waive so easily. BE what are your thoughts on Cyan's scum game?
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I think IMAB and BE are town.
I'm not sure about KA or Chris.
ZDS is probably town.
Cyan is scum, and I'm leaving my vote on him. (/barn ZDS's 71)
I am sure it has happened sometime across the multiple universes as stated by IAMB's posts, but I don't think I've ever seen it.
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Says my arguments are bad. Realizes my argument isn't bad and quotes/barns it in part. k.
I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people this game are going to be either terrible or scum. I need to adjust my playstyle immediately.
BE is has a starring role as...
The funny thing about that tell is that it is awful.
Tell me more.
Doesn't matter. That is an all-around overwhelmingly townKilljoy post. I know this from the pixels and from seeing a number of Killjoys in my time. I will not be voting him ever unless there's, like, a cop shot on him or something.
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@ZDS:
Actually, that is most of it. There is also the fact that you keep trying to make a big deal out of me 'trying to cover my bases'. *WHY* would I need to cover my bases there? Which tell BE was being accused of was 100% irrelevant for my argument. Accordingly, whether or not I knew about it was also 100% irrelevant. I stated a fact for the sake of starting a fact, and nothing more.
Relatedly, the idea that someone voting an out of game player in RVS is a scum tell is a complete and utter joke, for the record. That is like comically bad.
This is also part of why your play is sloppy here. IMAB is very, very obviously an experienced player. As such, any arguments along the lines of 'he is terrible but doesn't know it' are immediately void. As an experienced player yourself, you should have reocgnized all of this. I am undecided, currently, as to whether you and IMAB are both scum. But I'm leaning toward 'ZDS is scum trying to look good by stepping in for a townie'. Especially considering that you know how I play, and likely figured that IMAB's terrible posting + my tendencies would lead to him at least being run up to a claim anyway.
Holy ***** I went back and read the context of this vote and Hunt is super town.
16 people were standing in the town square, some more agitated than others. The silence was palpable. No one said a word, but they all knew: It had begun.
Cyan (3): Killjoy, IMAB, ZDS
IMAB (3): Plowshares, Cyan, KamikazeArchon
KamikazeArchon (2): Huntzilla, Cantripmancer
Burning_Earth2 (2): Wheat_Grinder, Blindfaeth
ZDS (1): Cyan
Plowshares (1): Seppel
Not voting: hawk, Roowastaken, Burning_Earth2, SirChris
V/LA: Blindfaeth (11.5)
With 16 alive, it's 9 to lynch!
28/29 (Huntz/Cantrip): is this RVS or am I missing something
33 (BE2): I hate this response so much and that's why I snap voted him.
35 (Plowshares): I mean, imab's post was awful but I don't think what you've said here is true.
41 (imab): Why did you select hans as your RVS vote?
43 (Cyan): "I'm neither of those things" really now. Why do you feel the need to say so?
45 (imab): imab is going too hard to the paint on this to be scum. Which is unfortunate because I want to vote him off the island because 1. everything he says is either wrong or noise and 2. despite my better judgement I find 1 scummy.
i actually agree with what imab says about be2 is this the apocalypse
51 (imab): it's gotta be the apocalypse because now he's right back to the tinfoil.
65 (imab): I'd go through and tell you the town mindsets but someone else already did. So I'll just say no u
67 (Chris): "I hope you are town for it"?
71 (ZDS): This is more of a general comment than specific reply, but if Cyan is scum it'll become obvious. I don't feel like going against Cyan right now even though there's some good points being made.
Not the hugest fan of BE2's backtrack either but I think it's reasonable ultimately.
Apparently I lied, Cyan is scum for post 76. That's the classic scum Cyan.
Unvote, Vote: Cyan
79 (KJ): Most of us had confirm puns. Most can hardly even be described as puns, either.
80 (Chris): I really dislike Chris' posts. He's just so...terribly uninvested. He feels like he's a spectator.
81 (imab): "Everyone this game is scum or terrible" I'm going to enjoy this game.
86 (Plowshares): really now
Chris, Plowshares, and Cyan. Cyan's wagon is popular enough right now, a lot of people are also on Plowshares' case already too
hipster vote go
Unvote, Vote: Sir Chris
There's a lot of people who haven't posted nearly enough.
I'm sure it's happened before, but I don't think I've seen it.
Also not a fan of Wheat's 96.
Barn seppel on plowshares, Vote Plowshares.
I'm not sure what is so bad about wheat's 96 KJ, elaborate
Ok
I'd just like to explain something about me. I'm dumb. Super-dumb. So when anyone says things like this, I am often confused. Please make it easier for idiots like me and give one sentence explanations for your posts guys.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
But if you want me to be useful I suppose I can be useful.
##vote: BE
Down with BE
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
You'll have to be more specific.
He usually feels less useless than this.
I don't see how you having one read makes you somehow invested.
Your last sentence here also sounds like you said it while sitting on a swivelly chair with a tall back whilst stroking a cat.
Why do you think he's scum? Your post implies that you think he's scum because you think he thinks he's better than you, is that it?
Uh, I improved a little maybe. The game I played with you was the last before my break, so I haven't changed much. Maybe I just haven't had time to fail badly at this game yet. Or maybe you're remembering me as different to what I am. Remember, I was scum when I played with you, so this town game is clearly different in some ways.
I'm not deriding your play in general. I just want you to contribute more this game.
@your vote: See post 101 please.
I don't know what more you would want from me other than town reads this early, Wheat. It's like you've never played with me before.
As for our dear friend BE... who knows if he is scum or not, but I don't take kindly to being called useless by someone who I have very little respect for who parades around the topic like a rampaging rhino. So let's see if he bleeds.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
I truly never have. Not only that but the idea doesn't make sense to me, can't it still be fun if he's scum? What does alignment have to do with humor?
Hell, you know that quote in Seppel's sig? I was scum when I said that, does that make it any less humorous?
All the above questions are philosophical. What really matters is that I think it's strange to hope for someone's alignment like that; it seems noncommittal with very mild overtones of buddying and I don't like it.