2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Who is a better target Iso? You have only been advocating I die to fulfill your NEUTRAL wincon, not to help town. I only became "scum" to you when you realized you needed me dead NOW. So, again, who is it you would prefer dead?
If you don't shoot me, you should shoot Proph, since he could pretty easily be riding on his Unlynchability. Again, shooting me because I need you dead when I'm clearly scumhunting and the last face card is almost certainly our anti-town party is dumb, since I can help prune the numbers with my ability.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My point is, we don't know if you're town or not, so you can't really use "I'M TOWN SO I'M STOPPING ME FROM DYING" as an argument, here. We've already established how incredibly improbable it would be for me to be an anti-town Neutral, and killing Neutrals isn't exclusively a good thing, as we've also established.
If you're town, you're not reading the game, or choosing to ignore reason and a handful of other players with more experience than you telling you that what you're doing is suboptimal. If you're scum, then you're doing the only thing that will likely guarantee your survival, and what is also the most likely conclusion to be drawn through use of Occam's Razor.
If you shoot me toNight, you're going to lose the game for yourself when it doesn't end with my death.
If you draw out the game another phase, you at least have a chance of convincing everyone to lynch me, which gives you another opportunity to kill somebody and advance your win condition.
But if you shoot me toNight, you lose all of that, and will almost certainly be immediately lynched afterwards.
And, as you're arguing, if you're town, this is a bad thing for the town.
So any action here results in your death. But if I'm alive, you have a whole 2 more Days to carry out whatever it is that you plan on doing, town or scum.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Sorry, all. Who authorized a lynch during a big holiday weekend, anyway? And around the time of my birthday. And my son's birthday. And when we're getting ready to move. Point is: sorry, I've been busy.
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I found the out for Iso: When he is wrong a ton of times, clear indication of being a mafia member. Calling bull***** for him being lynch resistant however.
so as far as I know, be2 and Hunt are the only roles that can enable kills.
The only non-town kills we've seen are from the dead.
I'm trying to rack my brain around what 3rd party role could be left in a scenario where there are no more anti-town kills, plus we've already seen what equates to a hitman and a SK.
A Lyncher seems possible. Also a warlock (guesses who will be lynched and wins when correctly guessed twice).
A cult would have won by now. And we would have seen/caught any roles that have a night action.
So... is anyone opposed to just NLing until Hunt cycles through to get his cop ability on everyone?
That is great news! I was worried my vig wouldn't go through. So now that what appears to be the only Mafia is dead I will admit my abilities have drawbacks, as I am sure you all have guessed. For my vig I have to target two people and call higher or lower, and my vig will hit what I call between the two card values. I was seriously worried Iso was not the queen like he said he was, so I picked the lowest card number possible, Emo, since Seppel is untargetable, and hoped Iso wasn't the Ace. Glad it worked out! The night I tried to roleblock Iso my ability actually failed. I have to target a person and then send a dice roll calling even or odds to get that one to work. I didn't call it correctly. All of my drawbacks rely on chance in order to hit, which is very frustrating. However I have gotten lucky and only failed the once.
As far where to go from here I kind of like Seppel's plan. Theoretically we can just no lynch into infinity if there are no outside town killing roles left. I will say that my other drawback is that I have to use my ability each night. So if it came back to my vig, I would have to target two people and call incorrectly. That should work out fine,as at this point we have claimed and should all be on the same page as far as who is what card.
Can we get everyone else to claim what they did last night?
Did you target anyone Emo?
Who did B_E grant a Bodyguard too? That was his ability last night, correct?
So now that what appears to be the only Mafia is dead I will admit my abilities have drawbacks, as I am sure you all have guessed. For my vig I have to target two people and call higher or lower, and my vig will hit what I call between the two card values. I was seriously worried Iso was not the queen like he said he was, so I picked the lowest card number possible, Emo, since Seppel is untargetable, and hoped Iso wasn't the Ace. Glad it worked out! The night I tried to roleblock Iso my ability actually failed. I have to target a person and then send a dice roll calling even or odds to get that one to work. I didn't call it correctly. All of my drawbacks rely on chance in order to hit, which is very frustrating. However I have gotten lucky and only failed the once.
Why didn't you tell us about this when we were massclaiming?
I can confirm that BE took no action last Night, since he hasn't been on the site for 5 days.
Not sure if I agree with Seppel's plan, here. If the last neutral or something isn't a threat then the game would have already ended. Like I said, there has to be something to balance out all of this town power + the fact that the scum this game don't appear to be working with each other.
That is great news! I was worried my vig wouldn't go through. So now that what appears to be the only Mafia is dead I will admit my abilities have drawbacks, as I am sure you all have guessed. For my vig I have to target two people and call higher or lower, and my vig will hit what I call between the two card values. I was seriously worried Iso was not the queen like he said he was, so I picked the lowest card number possible, Emo, since Seppel is untargetable, and hoped Iso wasn't the Ace. Glad it worked out! The night I tried to roleblock Iso my ability actually failed. I have to target a person and then send a dice roll calling even or odds to get that one to work. I didn't call it correctly. All of my drawbacks rely on chance in order to hit, which is very frustrating. However I have gotten lucky and only failed the once.
You really should have told us about this before now. What is the drawback to your investigation?
No reason not to continue testing Prophylaxis, but you are the only person that I am very interested in lynching.
Not sure if I agree with Seppel's plan, here. If the last neutral or something isn't a threat then the game would have already ended. Like I said, there has to be something to balance out all of this town power + the fact that the scum this game don't appear to be working with each other.
Lyncher and Warlock are the only third-party roles that I can think of that (A) have no observable night effect, (B) are still a threat to the town, and (C) mesh with the other anti-town roles.
Conveniently, both of them win off of lynching. So the optimal strategy no-lynching until we either (1) cop the bad guy, or (2) see evidence of a different third-party role.
Can you think of any other role that would meet the requirements of A, B, and C whose wincon would NOT be hampered by no-lynching?
It seems weird, but this might be the solution. Assuming we get back to spades before end gaming, who should I be targeting with my ability? Smoke is obviously a good default, but..
Lyncher and Warlock are the only third-party roles that I can think of that (A) have no observable night effect, (B) are still a threat to the town, and (C) mesh with the other anti-town roles.
Conveniently, both of them win off of lynching. So the optimal strategy no-lynching until we either (1) cop the bad guy, or (2) see evidence of a different third-party role.
Can you think of any other role that would meet the requirements of A, B, and C whose wincon would NOT be hampered by no-lynching?
I think I'm OK with a test no-lynch just to see if our final neutral has a way to kill or something, but remember in Iji I went "we are ignoring this part of the game" when people were so focused on mechanics in that game? I think this is something similar.
I have very little experience with this type of setup, though. I replaced in expecting to play mafia and instead got.. some mechanics logic puzzle.
Huntzilla is kind of giving me the heebie-jeebies with his white lie, though I'd actually like to read through his posts and do some behavioral analysis.
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Can't read my
No he can't read my poker face
(she's got me like nobody)
P-p-p-poker face, p-p-poker face
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Iso (5): Burning_Earth2, Prophylaxis, Seppel, Gentleman Johnny, smoke_Killah
Prophylaxis (2): emo_pinata
Gentleman Johnny (1): Huntzilla
Huntzilla (1): Iso
Not Voting: N/A
That's the lynch! It's now twilight!
Huntzilla still shouldn't Vig me toNight.
Not that I could convince scum not to shoot me when I need them dead to win.
See you all post-game.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Eat my bullet and be gone.
If you don't shoot me, you should shoot Proph, since he could pretty easily be riding on his Unlynchability. Again, shooting me because I need you dead when I'm clearly scumhunting and the last face card is almost certainly our anti-town party is dumb, since I can help prune the numbers with my ability.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If you think I am scum. Why would I leave you alive to simply shoot me? I don't understand how that is the best play for the town or for myself?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Killing a neutral.
Protecting town power. Both myself and if you miss scum and kill a townie.
If you're town, you're not reading the game, or choosing to ignore reason and a handful of other players with more experience than you telling you that what you're doing is suboptimal. If you're scum, then you're doing the only thing that will likely guarantee your survival, and what is also the most likely conclusion to be drawn through use of Occam's Razor.
If you shoot me toNight, you're going to lose the game for yourself when it doesn't end with my death.
If you draw out the game another phase, you at least have a chance of convincing everyone to lynch me, which gives you another opportunity to kill somebody and advance your win condition.
But if you shoot me toNight, you lose all of that, and will almost certainly be immediately lynched afterwards.
And, as you're arguing, if you're town, this is a bad thing for the town.
So any action here results in your death. But if I'm alive, you have a whole 2 more Days to carry out whatever it is that you plan on doing, town or scum.
Consider your options.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I haven't seen anyone say that at all.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Checkmate:
Specifically worded that way, because:
You're not 1-shot unkillable.
*Guile's Theme plays in the background*
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You seem to have forgotten the part where OceanBlack shot me the previous Night.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Checkyourmom.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
IT goes with EVERYTHING....
Well, used to...
That SSFIV version is simply not as good...
But unfortunately Iso is correct on this one. The whole discussion came up because OB popped him last Night.
His Mom is your Mom too.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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Iso has not been lynched.
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Iso has been splatted; he was The Old Maid, Mafia Party of One.
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With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch!
I'm assuming we're looking for one or two more Neutrals, then?
2 - Seppel
3 - Me
4 - OB
5 - Proph
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7 - KA
8 - g_d
9 - GJ
10 - s_k
J - Hunt
Q - Iso
K
vote Proph still need to test this.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
so as far as I know, be2 and Hunt are the only roles that can enable kills.
The only non-town kills we've seen are from the dead.
I'm trying to rack my brain around what 3rd party role could be left in a scenario where there are no more anti-town kills, plus we've already seen what equates to a hitman and a SK.
A Lyncher seems possible. Also a warlock (guesses who will be lynched and wins when correctly guessed twice).
A cult would have won by now. And we would have seen/caught any roles that have a night action.
So... is anyone opposed to just NLing until Hunt cycles through to get his cop ability on everyone?
smoke_Killah
Well, here's a lead.
Hunt, care to explain?
What's to stop us from NLing until we get the right suit?
...well, unless Hunt is the last bad guy.
As far where to go from here I kind of like Seppel's plan. Theoretically we can just no lynch into infinity if there are no outside town killing roles left. I will say that my other drawback is that I have to use my ability each night. So if it came back to my vig, I would have to target two people and call incorrectly. That should work out fine,as at this point we have claimed and should all be on the same page as far as who is what card.
Can we get everyone else to claim what they did last night?
Did you target anyone Emo?
Who did B_E grant a Bodyguard too? That was his ability last night, correct?
Vote Proph
To test it out...
I can confirm that BE took no action last Night, since he hasn't been on the site for 5 days.
Not sure if I agree with Seppel's plan, here. If the last neutral or something isn't a threat then the game would have already ended. Like I said, there has to be something to balance out all of this town power + the fact that the scum this game don't appear to be working with each other.
You really should have told us about this before now. What is the drawback to your investigation?
No reason not to continue testing Prophylaxis, but you are the only person that I am very interested in lynching.
VOTE: Prophylaxis
smoke_Killah
smoke_Killah
Lyncher and Warlock are the only third-party roles that I can think of that (A) have no observable night effect, (B) are still a threat to the town, and (C) mesh with the other anti-town roles.
Conveniently, both of them win off of lynching. So the optimal strategy no-lynching until we either (1) cop the bad guy, or (2) see evidence of a different third-party role.
Can you think of any other role that would meet the requirements of A, B, and C whose wincon would NOT be hampered by no-lynching?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I think I'm OK with a test no-lynch just to see if our final neutral has a way to kill or something, but remember in Iji I went "we are ignoring this part of the game" when people were so focused on mechanics in that game? I think this is something similar.
I have very little experience with this type of setup, though. I replaced in expecting to play mafia and instead got.. some mechanics logic puzzle.
Huntzilla is kind of giving me the heebie-jeebies with his white lie, though I'd actually like to read through his posts and do some behavioral analysis.
God, Colemak is annoying.
Last night I stayed up late playing poker with Tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died. ~Steven Wright
Prophylaxis (5): emo_pinata, Prophylaxis, Gentleman Johnny, Seppel, Huntzilla
Not Voting: smoke_Killah, Burning_Earth2
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch!
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Let's give it a shot.
I'm fine with a NL but I want the BE problem to be resolved first.