Nah, his role would make sense to be the one of in a game with a system like the trump suit here. Unless you think he invented a role around a star trek character who is a borg that has borg like abilities. Beyond that he's changing his mind and attempting to hunt for scum, and the sticking point starting his wagon was copying logic from a vote less than 15 minutes before his. I'm definitely passing on this wagon. Look at his last scum game where he stayed voting for the same player forever and shifted his argument to fit the need for that vote.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I thought Archon was town, then I reread him, he's still town. The original thing (the word 'soft' ffs) still raised new points and was trying hard to hunt scum. He's continued to look for scum while being pressured. He looks to care mostly about finding scum. The role he claims could be scum or town, it doesn't matter! We need to look based on his posting, and I do not get what is wrong with it.
I do like Huntzilla voting me at this point, which is the first thing he's done against the flow all game. Not ready to upgrade him to a town read, but it is good to see him having some independent thought, even if he is wrong.
I want to reread emo_pinata, I don't remember anything about him.
Phew, that was a wall by my standards. I'll have to relax my fingers
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I have no idea why you are wagoning KA not SK. SK posted a bad T/S list, and as soon as he stated being wagoned he lost focus on scumhunting. He has time to answer walls of questions, but waiting for his content is like waiting for Godot. KA has been scumhunting all game, he's reacted to his wagon in townie ways (like the post in which he said 'I know I'm being lynched, let's look for interactions) and the original catch was tiny in the first place. I will eat my hat if he is scum.
and as soon as he stated being wagoned he lost focus on scumhunting.
I have been questioning Huntzilla and Blindfaeth, I am still waiting for them to answer.
He has time to answer walls of questions,
Yes, I answer when people question me. I believe that I have also commented on everything going on.
but waiting for his content is like waiting for Godot.
What specific content are you waiting for?
KA has been scumhunting all game
In regards to ArchonKamikaze, I have no particular problem with his claim, or intention to vote him Today unless it becomes necessary in order to avoid a no lynch.
So I have strong townreads on EP, Archon, Blindfaeth, BE2, and Ocean. That's incredibly awesome for a D1 mini.
We're holding off on Smoke. And I don't want to lynch either GJ or KCC today. I don't think it's our best play. This leaves Dan, Hunt, and Iso, all of which have left me with no good tastes in my mouth. But Dan definitely tastes the worst.
Does anyone have a good reason why we shouldn't ever lynch Dan?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And implied that I should have known to answer it...
No, I did not.
The attack was more than applied. I find it scummy to refuse content when requested.
Good thing I have not done that then
Followed all this junk up with an OMGUS vote! Looks just right.
How do you figure that it is an OMGUS vote? I voiced suspicion of you before you voiced any of me.
I have said about all that I intend to regarding my town/scum list. Everyone can either accept it or not; not much you can do about it at this point but actually lynch me
This is the content you have been waiting for? Come on smoke_K, this is weak.
The reason why it matters that you asked me after was that you implied that I should have answered... The phrase “would you mind” seemed to imply that I had not done it in a timely manner. Of course, I could have read to deeply into it, at the time we were going back and forth a bit in an accusatory manner and I usually infer the harshest connotations from phrases. But here is the post so we all can see what I meant.
Nowhere in here do you address the real issue, which is that your reads lack justification behind them and you just let people blank in terms of why you read them that way. Can you address this issue?
I am not overly concerned; being told that my list is "awful" does not really do it for me. I addressed it about as much as I intend to, unless I am asked specific questions.
Would you mind addressing the points that I made about you?
I did not, and still do not, read the last sentence in a kind way at all. If you meant it politely than my points are null.
The “I addressed it as much as I intend to” portion is also what I am referring to when I say you are refusing content. I asked you from something. You refused. That much is cut and dry.
And lastly,
You are trying to say that your vote is note an OMGUS because you “showed suspicion first?” But the link you listed was simply your infamous T/S list that has me at “null until recently.” I apologize but in no way does a null read count as you being suspicious first, as you can see in the link of mine where I voted you. A null read versus a vote, and you feel your vote is NOT an OMGUS? That makes no sense, smoke_K.
So I have strong townreads on EP, Archon, Blindfaeth, BE2, and Ocean. That's incredibly awesome for a D1 mini.
We're holding off on Smoke. And I don't want to lynch either GJ or KCC today. I don't think it's our best play. This leaves Dan, Hunt, and Iso, all of which have left me with no good tastes in my mouth. But Dan definitely tastes the worst.
Does anyone have a good reason why we shouldn't ever lynch Dan?
Please explain these reads... You have been fine with Iso and I most of the day, so what gives?
That said, I do not care for Dan's posts. So I have no reason against it.
I think we should lynch emo or KA. KA's role claim makes no sense. He has no idea what his ability does? Please, it's just something he's using to buy time to figure out better what abilities are in the game, so he can claim one that isn't. Emo refuses to vote him because they're teammates. Occam's razor
I think we should lynch emo or KA. KA's role claim makes no sense. He has no idea what his ability does? Please, it's just something he's using to buy time to figure out better what abilities are in the game, so he can claim one that isn't. Emo refuses to vote him because they're teammates. Occam's razor
I think you're way off base. Archon knows exactly what his ability does -- it copies other abilities.
E_P refuses to vote him because (A) it's a damn good claim, and (B) E_P is town.
I disagree but what can I do except express my opinion over and over. I think it's a clever way to get out of a lynch and buy him time. The "I doubt I won't be lynched" line was a nice add too, appeal to emotions, not a fan.
Regardless, I still think someone should target the ***** out of seppel tonight. To clarify, I lied earlier and can't do it myself tonight, so please do it on my behalf
I think we should lynch emo or KA. KA's role claim makes no sense. He has no idea what his ability does? Please, it's just something he's using to buy time to figure out better what abilities are in the game, so he can claim one that isn't. Emo refuses to vote him because they're teammates. Occam's razor
I think you're way off base. Archon knows exactly what his ability does -- it copies other abilities.
E_P refuses to vote him because (A) it's a damn good claim, and (B) E_P is town.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So first things first: Based on the two claims I have seen and this whole discussion with multiple suits, I think it is fairly safe to assume that every player has some sort of power. Some are limited, others not so much but everyone is a PR. I am not sure how I feel about this multiple suit thing. Enough said they had two to make me turn the other way, but something still feels screwey. Omega, I was reading as town. There is no way as scum he would throw in the "it works in a lynch" when his ability as it stood, I wouldn't have thought twice on it being triggered only by nks.
Quote from Iso »
I used that line to make it clear that I think you and KCC are an unaligned pair. I always try to solve the game by the end of Day 1 if I have enough information, and I like to make my reads clear in case anyone feels the need to re-read my posts, postmortem or otherwise.
I was talking more into the reference of you "psuedo" counter claimed Seppel. Omega's role is another type of interaction with targeting role. I am assuming you had one as well, so I was curious if you had any comment on the claim in particular.
Quote from KCC »
Yes, I'm perfectly content to let you do what you're doing here. It'll be much easier to get you lynched later when I have this stack of evidence to point back to.
*shrugs*. Why wait now?
...because it's a gross misrepresentation of my mindset at that point. Kami made a suspicious post, but one that had reasonable town explanations. I considered moving my vote, but since the wagon was sizable already, I chose to wait for his response to the existing pressure first. I was absolutely not ready to lynch Kami at that point, over one post, that he didn't even have a chance to respond to yet.
I would imagine if most people were considering to vote a player, it is because you are at least partly reading that player as non-town. Would you not agree with that statement?
I have no idea what happened there. It was fine when I previewed it. I think it's fine now, though, which is good, because that's probably the strongest evidence towards how this whole case of yours is fabrication.
Then restate it for me, since it is the "strongest evidence".
Yeah, GJ's case is BS. -Just take note that it's GJ who jumped on the wagon with me. He'll justify it as thinking I'm bussing, but we can deal with that stuff Tomorrow.
Meh, it was a combination of things. His logic on me was God awful of why I wasn't going after Iso.
Quote from Kami »
"When I am targeted, I find out the name of the ability and I gain its suit(s), but I don't find out what it does.
While any of my suits are trump, I can use abilities that have targeted me on other players. I find out what the ability does after using it. I can only use this once per night and once per ability that hit me.
*raises eyebrow*. That seems so weird, considering most abilities can be guessed just by the name. If you were to say, get targeted by a tracker, and you get the ability name "tracker", I don't think it is much of a stretch to figure out the rest. That seems insanely complicated and unlikely to be town, I am ok proceeding with a Kami lynch.
Quote from Dan »
"I also abhor Dan and would love to see him swing instead.
Unvote, vote Dan"
Nah.
It's not one that I believe could be faked easily.
Or even faked hard.
I don't think it could be faked at all.
I got away with everyone thinking I was an alternate Universe cop, and claimed everyone alive as town, town and non-town. I don't think this claim would be too hard to fake.
I think we should lynch emo or KA. KA's role claim makes no sense. He has no idea what his ability does? Please, it's just something he's using to buy time to figure out better what abilities are in the game, so he can claim one that isn't. Emo refuses to vote him because they're teammates. Occam's razor
I am 10 of Hearts, my abilities:
Puppy Love (tracks players that target me)
Long Walk of Distraction (if I am killed while hearts are trump, kills are blocked the following Night)
Happy Honeymoon (town win condition)
Nah, his role would make sense to be the one of in a game with a system like the trump suit here. Unless you think he invented a role around a star trek character who is a borg that has borg like abilities. Beyond that he's changing his mind and attempting to hunt for scum, and the sticking point starting his wagon was copying logic from a vote less than 15 minutes before his. I'm definitely passing on this wagon. Look at his last scum game where he stayed voting for the same player forever and shifted his argument to fit the need for that vote.
You don't think the flavor could be accurate, and the player just be mafia with it?
Additionally, do you have a better lynch suggestion, given our time constraints, that can actually happen?
So first things first: Based on the two claims I have seen and this whole discussion with multiple suits, I think it is fairly safe to assume that every player has some sort of power. Some are limited, others not so much but everyone is a PR. I am not sure how I feel about this multiple suit thing. Enough said they had two to make me turn the other way, but something still feels screwey. Omega, I was reading as town. There is no way as scum he would throw in the "it works in a lynch" when his ability as it stood, I wouldn't have thought twice on it being triggered only by nks.
/barn
Quote from TCM »
Quote from Kami »
"When I am targeted, I find out the name of the ability and I gain its suit(s), but I don't find out what it does.
While any of my suits are trump, I can use abilities that have targeted me on other players. I find out what the ability does after using it. I can only use this once per night and once per ability that hit me.
*raises eyebrow*. That seems so weird, considering most abilities can be guessed just by the name. If you were to say, get targeted by a tracker, and you get the ability name "tracker", I don't think it is much of a stretch to figure out the rest. That seems insanely complicated and unlikely to be town, I am ok proceeding with a Kami lynch.
This is the content you have been waiting for? Come on smoke_K, this is weak.
Expecting an answer when I ask someone a question is weak?
Well, apparently it is, but I still do.
The reason why it matters that you asked me after was that you implied that I should have answered... The phrase “would you mind” seemed to imply that I had not done it in a timely manner. Of course, I could have read to deeply into it, at the time we were going back and forth a bit in an accusatory manner and I usually infer the harshest connotations from phrases. But here is the post so we all can see what I meant.
Nowhere in here do you address the real issue, which is that your reads lack justification behind them and you just let people blank in terms of why you read them that way. Can you address this issue?
I am not overly concerned; being told that my list is "awful" does not really do it for me. I addressed it about as much as I intend to, unless I am asked specific questions.
Would you mind addressing the points that I made about you?
I did not, and still do not, read the last sentence in a kind way at all. If you meant it politely than my points are null.
I did not, and still do not, care. If you inferred something in my post that was not there, that is one thing, the problem is that you keep insisting that I did and using it to attack me, when I have already told you multiple times that you are wrong and your point is null.
The “I addressed it as much as I intend to” portion is also what I am referring to when I say you are refusing content. I asked you from something. You refused. That much is cut and dry.
I literally cannot believe that you are saying this to me.
If I missed any specific questions from you, point me to them and I will address them. Still not interested in responding to vague accusations (if you meant the question in your quote above, it goes here).
But the link you listed was simply your infamous T/S list that has me at “null until recently.” I apologize but in no way does a null read count as you being suspicious first, as you can see in the link of mine where I voted you. A null read versus a vote, and you feel your vote is NOT an OMGUS? That makes no sense, smoke_K.
I know that it is not OMGUS, because I made it. Not even sure why you think it is, just trying to poke a hole in your logic.
In this context, what do you suppose the “null until recently” part meant? And why are you trying to present it like it was still a null read when it explicitly says that?
You are clearly misrepresenting again, deliberately (if not well); probably because you need to justify a revote on me after your terrible vote on Burning_Earth2 (how's that for OMGUS?) that you know is not going to go anywhere. You are scum.
Expecting an answer when I ask someone a question is weak?
Well, apparently it is, but I still do.
No, expecting an answer is not. But waiting around for answers to weak questions is pretty weak.
I did not, and still do not, care. If you inferred something in my post that was not there, that is one thing, the problem is that you keep insisting that I did and using it to attack me, when I have already told you multiple times that you are wrong and your point is null.
I am not still attacking you. Your claim and responses have assured me you are town. I seemingly did infer more than you meant in that statement. But it has little bearing on anything now, aside from being yet another time I misread a sentence and put more feeling behind the words, unjustly.
I literally cannot believe that you are saying this to me.
If I missed any specific questions from you, point me to them and I will address them. Still not interested in responding to vague accusations (if you meant the question in your quote above, it goes here).
You stated you would not be responding any further. That is an omission of content that was asked for. At this point, it does not matter, aside from the fact that refusing content looks scummy in a vacuum.
I know that it is not OMGUS, because I made it. Not even sure why you think it is, just trying to poke a hole in your logic.
In this context, what do you suppose the “null until recently” part meant? And why are you trying to present it like it was still a null read when it explicitly says that?
You are clearly misrepresenting again, deliberately (if not well); probably because you need to justify a revote on me after your terrible vote on Burning_Earth2 (how's that for OMGUS?) that you know is not going to go anywhere. You are scum.
Sorry Smoke, I am not scum no matter how hard you would like it to be so. I am confused by your wording here. I know it explicitly says it was a null read. That was my point. I believe in this context the "null read until recently" was your way of leaving the door open to jump on my wagon if you could get others to push it. I am not meaning to misrepresent you at all. Please, by all means, correct me. It just looks like you need to be the one to have suspected me first. I don't know why. If you don't feel it was an OMGUS, then it isn't on your end. On my end, I see what you did as an OMGUS. Agree to disagree on that point.
I do believe that most people are not going to follow me on the B_E2 push. I wanted to put it out there though, as I am feeling strongly that his posts are scummy.
I have zero desire to vote you though, as I have stated, I feel you have been very townie recently and after hearing your claim.
I am not as convinced on Kami at this point, and as this is most likely the lynch of the day, and we are running low on time, I will place my vote and suspicion here...
"When I am targeted, I find out the name of the ability and I gain its suit(s), but I don't find out what it does.
While any of my suits are trump, I can use abilities that have targeted me on other players. I find out what the ability does after using it. I can only use this once per night and once per ability that hit me.
*raises eyebrow*. That seems so weird, considering most abilities can be guessed just by the name. If you were to say, get targeted by a tracker, and you get the ability name "tracker", I don't think it is much of a stretch to figure out the rest. That seems insanely complicated and unlikely to be town, I am ok proceeding with a Kami lynch.
Based on my own ability names - "Assimilate" for the copy effect and "Resistance is Futile" for using a copy - I highly doubt that other people have ability names as simple as "tracker".
Everyone, check your ability names. Would you expect their effects to be trivially inferred just from the name? That might be a slip from Johnny indicating that his ability names don't follow our pattern.
Yes, I'm perfectly content to let you do what you're doing here. It'll be much easier to get you lynched later when I have this stack of evidence to point back to.
*shrugs*. Why wait now?
Because I'm happy with the current leading wagon, and have no interest in starting a counterwagon to it.
...because it's a gross misrepresentation of my mindset at that point. Kami made a suspicious post, but one that had reasonable town explanations. I considered moving my vote, but since the wagon was sizable already, I chose to wait for his response to the existing pressure first. I was absolutely not ready to lynch Kami at that point, over one post, that he didn't even have a chance to respond to yet.
I would imagine if most people were considering to vote a player, it is because you are at least partly reading that player as non-town. Would you not agree with that statement?
Sure, in general, I'd guess most people who are considering a vote on a player are at least partly reading that player as non-town. But, that's hardly relevant here.
I have no idea what happened there. It was fine when I previewed it. I think it's fine now, though, which is good, because that's probably the strongest evidence towards how this whole case of yours is fabrication.
Then restate it for me, since it is the "strongest evidence".
You know, it was there, perfectly fine in the post you are quoting here, but okay, here it is again:
Here, you say you were for a Kami lynch, but no unvote. You at this stage, have had zero interaction with Kami, aside from the "mostly silly" part of your game, and defending him against his vacation post from BF. Here, you then say you could see s smoke wagon. You have also had very little interaction with him, and haven't implied anything obvious. In fact, here you said you were town reading him. But here, you didn't object to Seppel scum reading him. What changed?
First, I never had an actual town read on s_K; I was just RVS messing with Iso (iso townread EP, so I voted him; iso voted s_K, so I townread him). There's no way you are actually this incompetent, to believe that a townread at post 22 was not only serious, but binding. -Though you are very competent at pulling things out of context.
Speaking of "out of context," what changed? What changed? What could have possibly changed between posts 22 and 184? Hmm...
Hmmmmm.......
Oh, look! I actually madeposts in between there! -Which I guess you must how somehow missed despite you linking to like 90% of my surrounding posts? Oh, and I guess you also somehow missed me already linking to one of them in my last response to you. EDIT: No, wait, you actually referenced that link later in this very post.
So, in summary, what changed, is that it stopped being RVS, I read s_K, and I then developed, expressed, and explained suspicion of him, all of which you apparently somehow missed in what I'm sure was thorough and sincere research on your part, despite the fact that the pieces of info you left out would conveniently make for a nice smear campaign.
Yeah, GJ's case is BS. -Just take note that it's GJ who jumped on the wagon with me. He'll justify it as thinking I'm bussing, but we can deal with that stuff Tomorrow.
Meh, it was a combination of things. His logic on me was God awful of why I wasn't going after Iso.
Do you even know what you are responding to here? Because I was talking to BF, and when I said "GJ's case," I wasn't talking about your case on KA.
*raises eyebrow*. That seems so weird, considering most abilities can be guessed just by the name. If you were to say, get targeted by a tracker, and you get the ability name "tracker", I don't think it is much of a stretch to figure out the rest. That seems insanely complicated and unlikely to be town, I am ok proceeding with a Kami lynch.
I'm not talking to you any more. I can't stand how obtuse you're being.
How so? I agree that the ability is far from auto-town -I'd even guess it's more likely a scum ability, assuming it's true. Though, I do agree it'd be hard to fake.
Everyone, check your ability names. Would you expect their effects to be trivially inferred just from the name? That might be a slip from Johnny indicating that his ability names don't follow our pattern.
I'm a bit hesitant to answer this, but I like the point you're making, and I don't see a way this could really hurt so...
I have a not-so-uncommon ability, but I don't think anyone could reasonably guess the effect based on the name it has.
I'm not talking to you any more. I can't stand how obtuse you're being.
Please tell me how I'm being obtuse. Here's my thought process:
(A): Arch is acting as I would expect scum to.
(B): Arch gets run up.
(C): Arch claims. His ability makes more sense on scum than town.
(D): I still want to lynch Arch.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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We typically try to lynch on Day 1 at all costs.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It doesn't surprise me that emo won't jump on the wagon lol. The two users of the word soft
Okay. So. Let's lynch Arch because that ability is totally more useful on scum than town, IMO.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I do like Huntzilla voting me at this point, which is the first thing he's done against the flow all game. Not ready to upgrade him to a town read, but it is good to see him having some independent thought, even if he is wrong.
I want to reread emo_pinata, I don't remember anything about him.
Phew, that was a wall by my standards. I'll have to relax my fingers
It could be a town ability just fine. We need to analyse posting, not role-claims. His posting has been good.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Was this directed towards me?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Do you think he is scum?
I do not particularly care whether you do or not, you are the one who asked about it; I am telling you where you can find it.
Do you think that is scumy?
I have been questioning Huntzilla and Blindfaeth, I am still waiting for them to answer.
Yes, I answer when people question me. I believe that I have also commented on everything going on.
What specific content are you waiting for?
In regards to ArchonKamikaze, I have no particular problem with his claim, or intention to vote him Today unless it becomes necessary in order to avoid a no lynch.
@Huntzilla: you should answer my questions.
@Blindfaeth: you should answer my questions.
smoke_Killah
We're holding off on Smoke. And I don't want to lynch either GJ or KCC today. I don't think it's our best play. This leaves Dan, Hunt, and Iso, all of which have left me with no good tastes in my mouth. But Dan definitely tastes the worst.
Does anyone have a good reason why we shouldn't ever lynch Dan?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The GJ way path to no lynching:
This is the content you have been waiting for? Come on smoke_K, this is weak.
The reason why it matters that you asked me after was that you implied that I should have answered... The phrase “would you mind” seemed to imply that I had not done it in a timely manner. Of course, I could have read to deeply into it, at the time we were going back and forth a bit in an accusatory manner and I usually infer the harshest connotations from phrases. But here is the post so we all can see what I meant.
I did not, and still do not, read the last sentence in a kind way at all. If you meant it politely than my points are null.
The “I addressed it as much as I intend to” portion is also what I am referring to when I say you are refusing content. I asked you from something. You refused. That much is cut and dry.
And lastly,
You are trying to say that your vote is note an OMGUS because you “showed suspicion first?” But the link you listed was simply your infamous T/S list that has me at “null until recently.” I apologize but in no way does a null read count as you being suspicious first, as you can see in the link of mine where I voted you. A null read versus a vote, and you feel your vote is NOT an OMGUS? That makes no sense, smoke_K.
Please explain these reads... You have been fine with Iso and I most of the day, so what gives?
That said, I do not care for Dan's posts. So I have no reason against it.
I think you're way off base. Archon knows exactly what his ability does -- it copies other abilities.
E_P refuses to vote him because (A) it's a damn good claim, and (B) E_P is town.
Regardless, I still think someone should target the ***** out of seppel tonight. To clarify, I lied earlier and can't do it myself tonight, so please do it on my behalf
What's so good about his claim, exactly?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Or even faked hard.
I don't think it could be faked at all.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I was talking more into the reference of you "psuedo" counter claimed Seppel. Omega's role is another type of interaction with targeting role. I am assuming you had one as well, so I was curious if you had any comment on the claim in particular.
*shrugs*. Why wait now?
I would imagine if most people were considering to vote a player, it is because you are at least partly reading that player as non-town. Would you not agree with that statement?
Then restate it for me, since it is the "strongest evidence".
Meh, it was a combination of things. His logic on me was God awful of why I wasn't going after Iso.
*raises eyebrow*. That seems so weird, considering most abilities can be guessed just by the name. If you were to say, get targeted by a tracker, and you get the ability name "tracker", I don't think it is much of a stretch to figure out the rest. That seems insanely complicated and unlikely to be town, I am ok proceeding with a Kami lynch.
Nah.
I got away with everyone thinking I was an alternate Universe cop, and claimed everyone alive as town, town and non-town. I don't think this claim would be too hard to fake.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Finals on Monday & Wed, work on Mon-Wed, then catching a plane Thursday. I should be back in commission next weekend at the latest.
Seppel, I'd love to read a case on me. I haven't had a good laugh in the past 3 hours.
No, those don't seem mutually exclusive for a town.
You don't think the flavor could be accurate, and the player just be mafia with it?
Additionally, do you have a better lynch suggestion, given our time constraints, that can actually happen?
I guess you don't have a response for S_K, then?
/barn
Good point.
You should answer my questions.
You should answer my questions.
Expecting an answer when I ask someone a question is weak?
Well, apparently it is, but I still do.
I did not, and still do not, care. If you inferred something in my post that was not there, that is one thing, the problem is that you keep insisting that I did and using it to attack me, when I have already told you multiple times that you are wrong and your point is null.
I literally cannot believe that you are saying this to me.
If I missed any specific questions from you, point me to them and I will address them. Still not interested in responding to vague accusations (if you meant the question in your quote above, it goes here).
I know that it is not OMGUS, because I made it. Not even sure why you think it is, just trying to poke a hole in your logic.
In this context, what do you suppose the “null until recently” part meant? And why are you trying to present it like it was still a null read when it explicitly says that?
You are clearly misrepresenting again, deliberately (if not well); probably because you need to justify a revote on me after your terrible vote on Burning_Earth2 (how's that for OMGUS?) that you know is not going to go anywhere. You are scum.
smoke_Killah
No, expecting an answer is not. But waiting around for answers to weak questions is pretty weak.
I am not still attacking you. Your claim and responses have assured me you are town. I seemingly did infer more than you meant in that statement. But it has little bearing on anything now, aside from being yet another time I misread a sentence and put more feeling behind the words, unjustly.
You stated you would not be responding any further. That is an omission of content that was asked for. At this point, it does not matter, aside from the fact that refusing content looks scummy in a vacuum.
Sorry Smoke, I am not scum no matter how hard you would like it to be so. I am confused by your wording here. I know it explicitly says it was a null read. That was my point. I believe in this context the "null read until recently" was your way of leaving the door open to jump on my wagon if you could get others to push it. I am not meaning to misrepresent you at all. Please, by all means, correct me. It just looks like you need to be the one to have suspected me first. I don't know why. If you don't feel it was an OMGUS, then it isn't on your end. On my end, I see what you did as an OMGUS. Agree to disagree on that point.
I do believe that most people are not going to follow me on the B_E2 push. I wanted to put it out there though, as I am feeling strongly that his posts are scummy.
I have zero desire to vote you though, as I have stated, I feel you have been very townie recently and after hearing your claim.
I am not as convinced on Kami at this point, and as this is most likely the lynch of the day, and we are running low on time, I will place my vote and suspicion here...
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Vote Kami
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Gentleman Johnny (1): KamikazeArchon
KamikazeArchon (6): Iso, KittyCupCake, Gentleman Johnny, Blindfaeth, ganderin_dan, Huntzilla
smoke_Killah (1): Burning_Earth2,
Huntzilla (1): smoke_Killah
KittyCupCake (1): OceanBlack
ganderin_dan (1): Seppel
Not Voting: emo_pinata
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
V/LA: ganderin_dan (sporadic until 5/6/15)
Deadline is 08.00 EST, Wednesday, April 29th.
There's little bit over 36 hours till deadline!
Because I'm happy with the current leading wagon, and have no interest in starting a counterwagon to it.
Sure, in general, I'd guess most people who are considering a vote on a player are at least partly reading that player as non-town. But, that's hardly relevant here.
You know, it was there, perfectly fine in the post you are quoting here, but okay, here it is again:
Do you even know what you are responding to here? Because I was talking to BF, and when I said "GJ's case," I wasn't talking about your case on KA.
How so? I agree that the ability is far from auto-town -I'd even guess it's more likely a scum ability, assuming it's true. Though, I do agree it'd be hard to fake.
I'm a bit hesitant to answer this, but I like the point you're making, and I don't see a way this could really hurt so...
I have a not-so-uncommon ability, but I don't think anyone could reasonably guess the effect based on the name it has.
Please tell me how I'm being obtuse. Here's my thought process:
(A): Arch is acting as I would expect scum to.
(B): Arch gets run up.
(C): Arch claims. His ability makes more sense on scum than town.
(D): I still want to lynch Arch.
Where is our disconnect occurring?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player