@Mod - Does the previous LC rank the players so that the LC goes to someone who was tied for the vote, or in the event of a tie does it just go to the ONE person the previous LC picked even if they have no votes?
If it's the latter, I want to elect plum.
It goes to the person the previous LC selected if there is a tie.
The ballots had been submitted and the brothers gathered around as they began to tally the vote.
"One for Hunger."
"One for Masterplum."
"Two for Hunger."
"One for KittyCupCake."
"Two for Masterplum."
The tension hung heavily in the air as there was one more name to be called.
"Three for Masterplum."
He had ascended - but Masterplum knew that this was not a time for pride. They were looking to him for leadership. He stood in front of them all, mindful of all of their eyes staring at him. "In me, you have placed your trust. In me, you have placed your faith. Would that you will look back on this day and smile. Now, gather round. Let's get to the heart of it..."
Masterplum has been elected Lord Commander. Normal game rules are now in effect (you may vote).
Well, I guess it is Lylo now. Good job on that everyone, BTW.
Which means there's no longer a reason not to finish my claim at this point. -If I'm targeted by a non-kill ability, I lose my bulletproof for the night. And if I'm the last townie alive, I die automatically.
So, yeah, scum is definitely iso/cyan. I don't think it matters which is first, since we now only have the two lynches for both.
With plum as tracker and LC, he has to be the kill, which should tell us something about iso's claim.
While this seems like the logical way to take things, if plum is scum and Cyan is town, this vote enables the game to be over once plum's buddy posts. This is the same logic I pointed out if you were elected LC. I would remove your vote to be safe until we can discuss further. I still have analysis I want to post and plum sounds like he wants to reread as well.
plum not voting Cyan though confirms it's not Kitty/plum.
@Kitty - Also, it isn't lylo, it's mylo. We can still no lynch to bring it to 2v2 if they kill plum and if we elect a town LC we have another lynch tomorrow.
While this seems like the logical way to take things, if plum is scum
If plum is scum (which I really, really doubt) and we just elected him LC, the game is over anyway, we've already lost, and I'd rather just get it over with in that scenario.
@Kitty - Also, it isn't lylo, it's mylo. We can still no lynch to bring it to 2v2 if they kill plum and if we elect a town LC we have another lynch tomorrow.
No, DC said that the scum would win automatically in a 2v2 with the LC dead, before any electing happened.
@Kitty - Also, it isn't lylo, it's mylo. We can still no lynch to bring it to 2v2 if they kill plum and if we elect a town LC we have another lynch tomorrow.
The only way a no lynch doesn't lose the game is if iso is lying about the bonding ability, in which case he can't kill plum since it confirms he's lying and he can't kill anyone else for fear of being tracked, and we end up right back here Tomorrow: everything ventured, nothing gained.
OK, I must have missed that clarification. In that case, you are correct, it is likely lylo.
I agree, plum almost certainly can't be scum, which is why I wanted to make sure he was elected instead of Meg possibly leaving it to you, Iso, or Cyan.
I was just trying to hedge all possibilities in considering the different variables. That brings up an interesting point though, which I will address in my next post.
Well, I guess it is Lylo now. Good job on that everyone, BTW.
Which means there's no longer a reason not to finish my claim at this point. -If I'm targeted by a non-kill ability, I lose my bulletproof for the night. And if I'm the last townie alive, I die automatically.
So, yeah, scum is definitely iso/cyan. I don't think it matters which is first, since we now only have the two lynches for both.
"If I'm the last townie alive, I die automatically"
Because the game totally wouldn't be over by that point or anything.
@Kitty - Also, it isn't lylo, it's mylo. We can still no lynch to bring it to 2v2 if they kill plum and if we elect a town LC we have another lynch tomorrow.
No, we can't, because if plum dies, so does Cythare. .-.
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I'm now completely fine with lynching Cyan and KCC without re-reading.
So... rather than looking at actual behavior, you are making a complete 180 on your read based on.... total BS (which I'll dissect point by point in a minute).
Except I made at least one post after this one you quoted where I clearly did look at behavior. But I appreciate you ignoring reality in favor of smearing me.
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And this dramatic reversal just happens to occur right when you realize that making me LC would add a lynch to the game.
Except no, because I don't believe your claim.
[qutoe from="KittyCupCake"]You realized that having an unkillable LC would make it much, much harder to win, also knew that you couldn't justify throwing your top townread into the scumpile based on anything that's actually in the thread, and resorted to some desperate smoke and mirrors to get the LC placed anywhere else.[/quote]
"Smoke and mirrors" is now the term for iocaine resistance? Seems legit. The fact that I even attempted to reconsider the gamestate (as evidenced by my election vote on you) should make it evident I'm town. Additionally, if I were scum, I would have left it at that instead of making it obvious that I wanted to know what you were claiming. You'd already be dead. Sure, I guess we can call it "convenient" that I realized your gambit in the nick of time.
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-Except I CCed seppel. So, what, I came up with this cunning plan, Seppel claimed close to it, and I said, "Whatever, I'm going ahead with the plan anyway, who cares if it sets up a dichotomy with a townie, what could possibly go wrong there?" And then, when pressured for the details, I decided the best idea would be to irritate everyone by refusing to give more. Because clearly, pissing everyone off would be much better for this plan than to just cooperate.
Hey, so, there's this thing that scum typically have called a "Rolecop". Maybe you should look into what it does? Let me help you with that - it's listed right in your role PM!
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No, you know damn well that the only reason I'm not giving details on my ability is to not expose any weaknesses it might have, and you're just grasping at straws here to throw things against me/maybe get me to share my full ability.
Except I don't believe your claim, and when we're at a point where we're massclaiming, so your "Bulletproof with restrictions that I'm not going to claim" is pretty much the most convenient claim you could have come up with as scum.
Tie it all in with the sinister feeling I had from KCC that I couldn"t explain when I was dreaming about this game
I don"t know which is sadder, the fact that this is the best you could do, or the fact that no one else has an issue with this.[/quote]
>implying "I dreamt it" is the only part of my case against you
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[quote from="Iso »
Given the phrasing of Chris's ability and the nature of my own, as well as the existence of the LC, it's incredibly dubious that your role would ever exist in a game.
Are you ******* kidding me?
"Why didn't your shot go through last Night, Cyan?" "Oh, must have been that silly random clause, which means KCC took the bullet, which confirms both of us! Let's lynch Cythare/plum! Choo choo!"
And now you are completely making up events that never happened to paint me as scum.[/quote]
Obviously it didn't happen, yet. That was my prediction for how you WANTED the game to play out before I put the kibash on your scheme.
The only time he mentioned KCC was when he was trying to "help" her create a T/S list during her Silence. And he didn't even follow that through.
1) I was ******* silenced. No one was interacting with me.
2) Do you think, maybe, he might have silenced me to avoid having to deal with me? -I doubt the ability was used to make me more involved.
3) Is there a reason you are ignoring this gem:
Question: how common is a role that inflicts Post Restrictions on people?
Yeah, the very first thing KJ did was come out and try to throw doubt on me. When no one bit, he dropped it.
Also, I pretty much single handedly got KJ lynched, despite being silenced.
1. Bull*****. At least 3 players spent a good part of the Day trying to get you to provide content.
2. I like my explanation better.
3. Actually, it's great you bring that up - it looks like a pitiful bus/distancing attempt on Killjoy's behalf. So thank you for highlighting that for me.
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And Iso missed all of these important things, while also making up things that never happened. I'm feeling confident in Iso/X now, likely Iso/Cyan since this whole back and forth feels forced, but we'll see what Cyan does here.
"making up things" -> Suddenly it's my fault that you fail to comprehend what you read?
"back and forth feels forced" -> Give me a single reason to believe you're town. Better yet, explain why I should be scumreading Hunger over you, because when you take into consideration my point of view of the game, the only logical pairing is either Cyan/KCC or Cyan/Hunger. I'd say Killjoy pushing Hunger all game makes him look a lot better than the one time Killjoy tried to push a little bit of doubt your way.
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Iso has a multitude of early game interactions with Antny. Far more than is reasonable for one random townie to have with another. And they all feel like coaching. Examples:
hi Antny
Can you humor me and tell me what initially put you on to Huntzilla so early? Because it reads like, from your earlier interactions with him, that you suspected him right from the start, whereas I didn't get scum vibes from Huntzilla until around page 2, IIRC.
Like..this post is practically just Iso asking Antny to make it easier for him to hop on board the Huntzilla case. Town Iso doesn't need other people to do his work for them.
Plus, he'd had enough of his own interactions with Hunt at that point that he could have justified voting him. He flatly stated that the only person other than Seppel that he would vote would be Hunt. There was no need for him to draw Antny out like this. Something is just rotten here.
Unrelatedly to this subject, something that I discovered while re-reading.
Look at this complete softball that Iso throws to KJ:
In this post, Iso goes out of his way to set this up so that KJ can easily redeem himself. This is just not how town Iso behaves. It's also worth noting that, when a person has these kind of early game interactions with a scum, but never actually makes a push against that person, it is very likely indicative of one scum interacting with another.
I don't even know what to say here. If this isn't 'one scum interacting with another', then..I don't know what is. This post might as well say 'I don't want to have to bus you but I will if you don't shape up'.
Like..he says that Antny is 'tough to pin down as scum'. What is that based on, exactly? Because it is factually incorrect. Antny was scum in Archer, and Antny was *easily* caught as scum there. On Day 1.
Plus, Iso previously said the following re: Antny.
I mostly dislike Antny's reaction to Cyan. It seems really off-base and like he has confidence that he shouldn't with his level of experience. There are a few other things that he's done that've rubbed me the wrong way, but they're difficult to articulate upon.
So now we have Iso saying that Antny is tough to pin down as scum, but he shouldn't be so confident as a new player. These statements hugely contradict each other.
That also brings up another point.
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Assuming Seppel isn't scum, I'm pretty sure the scum are Hunt/DYH/Antny.
Seppel wasn't scum. Hunt wasn't scum. DYH(replaced by Hunger)..pretty unlikely to be scum. And then there is Antny. Either Iso became a godawful town player overnight(keep in mind that he pegged the ENTIRE scum team in xkcd, and it was a somewhat talented team), or, this was just posturing.
Continuing on.
So you think it's scummy of me to do...what, exactly? Advocate that we lynch Seppel, a veteran, that I was pretty sure was scum until my paradigm shift over Huntzilla, a newbie, who could have easily been afflicted with new-player-foot-in-mouth-syndrome? I wasn't sold on Hunt until his exchange with Cyan.
In this post, Iso tries to get away from his attempts at lynching Seppel, and also tries to subtlely blame me for the Huntzilla wagon. This seems pretty fascinating, given that I never wanted anything to do with that wagon, and correctly read Huntzilla as newb town.
That reminds me. I want to take a brief moment away from this to do some wagon analysis.
Final Vote Count for Huntzilla:
Huntzilla (6): KittyCupCake, Iso, Megiddo, Sir Chris, Antny 223, Masterplum
Final Vote Count for Killjoy:
Killjoy (6) - Hunger, Sir Chris, KittyCupCake, Seppel, Masterplum, Cythare
KCC managed to be on all 3 of these wagons, as did Masterplum and Seppel(for whatever that is worth given that he lynched himself). Doesn't feel like this provides any meaningful information. Antny was on Huntzilla and Cythare was on KJ, but not Seppel(presumably he would have sheeped his way on there eventually though).
Iso managed to be on both of the town lynches, but not on the scum one. Just more evidence of him being scum.
Well if you shoot me toNight I'm voting you come Day 2. Just sayin'.
Iso says this in response to Megiddo saying he is going to 'shoot Iso in the face overnight'. I don't know how you can construe this as anything other than a protective role soft-claim, which makes me feel like Iso was just planting multiple breadcrumbs(this, his original post re: massclaiming and the LC) so that he could claim whatever he wanted later and have some backup for it.
hey wheat why are you scumreading killjoy
it just reads to me like he's phoning everything in horribly, not necessarily scum-motivated
Here we have Iso subtly defending KJ. You know..the one guy that has flipped scum this game.
See, I thought it was weird that the scum didn't aim among the possible Supreme Ultimate Leader candidates - given that one of {KittyCupCake, Iso, Megiddo, Sir Chris, Antny 223, Masterplum} had to be the Magnificent Glorious Godman Commander and all. If one of {Antny, Masterplum} is, then they should claim so that we can confirm the other.
Which means that we need to be lynching one of {Megiddo, Sir Chris} toDay because I doubt the Silencer is a town ability which means KCC is fairly clear until we find out that there is no Silencer or something of that sort, I know I'm town, and if one of the two aforementioned players are town, then they both are - but we can only confirm this with an Emperor Magnifique claim.
I pointed out when Iso posted this the first time that I didn't like it. Now I know why. For one thing, he tried to guide as toward lynching one of two people that both flipped town. For another, it really just looks like he was trying to get Antny a free pass on MP's coattails now.
The more I think about it, the more I think this is the correct course of action:
Vote Megiddo
He just feels too "off" this game.
Even putting aside the context of Megiddo ultimately being the LC, this feels like the most questionable vote so far this game. Iso is nothing if not capable of wordplay, and the best reasoning he could come up with for this, on Day 2 with a townie already lynched, is that Megiddo feels 'off'. And this is after he agreed with KCC voting for KJ(but couldn't be bothered to actually put any more effort into KJ at that point).
Tangentially related:
My opinion on Cyan hasn't changed. At this point, I think his buddy is probably Seppel, with an outside chance of Hunger.
@Cyan: I've been holding off on voting because I wasn't ready to hammer Seppel, and I've been pretty checked out today. If you're volunteering to be the lynch instead, though...:p
Oh look, Cythare is suspicious of..me(gotta keep up the charade that Antny started, apparently) and exactly 2 people that Iso has expressed suspicion toward. This is just more evidence of a relationship between Iso and Cythare.
[url=http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/599678-the-wall-mafia-day-4-new-leadership?page=19#c927]In this post, Iso finally gets around to voting Antny, because we have now learned that MP was not, in fact, the LC. Let's look over the next few posts and see how much effort Iso actually puts into getting Antny lynched.
Oh look, he really doesn't. But he spends a fair amount of time arguing with MP, which confirms my suspicion that his goal was really just to get Antny to be able to ride MP's coattails. This is particularly evidenced by Iso saying things like:
you realize it doesn't matter if we lynch Antny or plum toDay, so long as one of them gets lynched, right?
Don't forget how, yesterday, Iso was extremely quick to go back to town-reading me once I started trying to get MP lynched instead of specifically trying to go after Cythare. Even Seppel pointed this out yesterday.
Later, we also notice how Iso steps up to defend the scum list that Cythare posted. This is wildly inconsistent for someone that recently stated, 'it doesn't matter if we lynch Antny or plum today'. Once again, Iso looks like he doesn't REALLY want Cythare to get lynched.
Shortly(ish) after this, KJ claims, and Iso quickly declares that he is willing to vote KJ to end the day. This reads 100% of a bus vote, and nothing else.
Also, there doesn't HAVE to have been scum on the Huntzilla wagon - it's just extremely improbable from a statistical standpoint that there weren't. But I've seen it happen, and so have you, more than once.
This is a nice 180 from his earlier sentiment re: Hunt's wagon. How convenient.
This is the exact opposite of what approach you took in XKCD - that being "lol no me being [mis]lynched is just poor play and I would never even suggest such a thing" - as scum. Based on this, alone, I'm willing to waive my suspicion of you.
Case plum, Cyan. Make me believe it's not Seppel + Hunger.
This was in response to one of my posts, where I fully commit to trying to get MP lynched instead of Cythare. And look at that, Iso drops all suspicion of me and gives himself an opening to get on an MP wagon. Of course, he continues to fuel anti-Seppel sentiment at the same time.
Like..if I could realize that Seppel was just being dumb Seppel yesterday(which he was), then Iso should have been able to realize it as well. He plainly just wanted to have MP lined up as a lynch candidate for today.
It's also worth noting how quickly Iso went from 'hunger is scum', which he has been chanting for literally the entire game to 'Hunger is obv town because Seppel said so' today once it was in his best interest to do so.
And that is pretty much current. Except for the recent part where Iso promises to respond to things I said before this, but instead just comes along and piles the second vote on me(KCC, I am pretty sure you are town here, but you are being incredibly sloppy in this) and responds to KCC, whom he also claims to think is scum, instead.
Iso is as scum as it gets. The evidence and his overwhelmingly anti-town behavior are everywhere in this thread. Every wagon he has pushed has been on a townie, and his KJ vote was the bussiest possible. He is scum and Cythare is his buddy. There is no other explanation for the content that Iso has provided this game.
* I suspected Antny from early onward. I think the fact that I was voting him is a pretty clear indicator of that. The fact that you're purposefully ignoring this is just another point in favor of you being scum.
* I didn't set up Killjoy to "redeem" himself. I called Killjoy out on lying and wanted an explanation for why - simple as that. The biggest reason I didn't suspect Killjoy early on was because I thought DYH was scum. Which, again, you would know if you weren't trying to ignore the context of the game.
* "Antny is tough to pin down as scum" was based on Proph's uPick Basic, where I played as a hydra with TMCT. This makes it apparent that you didn't even bother scrolling halfway down the page to see what games I've been in with Antny, meaning you just wanted something else to fling at me, here.
* No. My remark about Antny's confidence had subtext that you're choosing to ignore. "like he has confidence that he shouldn't [as town] with his level of experience[, which is why I think he's scum, here]. I shouldn't have to spell this out for you, Cyan. You're not a bad Mafia player, so stop pretending to be.
* "Iso didn't name the scum team on Day 1! He must be scum!" I don't think I need to even address how ludicrously fallacious this is.
* You're acting like you've never seen me Paradigm Shift before. Paradigm Shift is exactly how I caught all the scum on Day 1 of XKCD. You were scum in that game. You know this. And yet you're trying to use it as a point against me for rescinding a scum read on Seppel. Because only scum reconsider the game state, right? Right.
* I didn't try to blame you for anything involving the Huntzilla wagon. I said it was your exchange with Huntzilla that made me suspect him, at all. Meaning his responses to you were less than subpar. How is that blaming you in the slightest? This is the biggest reach you've made all game.
* I wasn't on the Killjoy wagon, oh no! If he doesn't catch all the scum immediately, he MUST be scum! Y'know, despite me saying I was perfectly willing to lynch him if there was nothing else to discuss. scumIso hammers his buddy, here, even for a little bit of town credit and to snap off town discussion. Clearly that is not what happened.
* I falsecrumbed a self-protective claim because I saw my role as this game's Cop. This is exactly what I did in Mod Mafia 8, because I was the Cop in that game and Wheat basically flat-out said he was going to Vig me by the end of the Day. I wasn't about to claim that I was the Cop to dissuade him, as that would have just ended up in me getting NKed or Roleblocked. So I improvised. This was yet another breadcrumb that I was a Cop-type role in this game.
* Again, I wasn't really scumreading Killjoy early in the game because I thought Wheat (DYH's replacement) was scum. You are again intentionally removing the context of my post and misrepresenting the state of the game in its entirety.
* Cyan, plum was not at all high up on anyone's town list early in the game. To suggest I wanted Antny to skate by on his townieness is plainly dishonest.
* I like how you literally state here, "Iso is nothing if not capable of wordplay" and then completely jump to the opposite conclusion of what makes sense - "Iso ISN'T carefully constructing his posts and thinking of elaborate ways to spin Megiddo as scum, therefore Iso is scum". Makes total sense.
* No ***** I was arguing with plum, there. (if(Isoclaim==true) & (Antny==scum)), we get the output that (plum==scum). Therefore, it makes perfect sense that I'm arguing with plum there. Also, how on earth do you justify me trying to get "Antny to skate by on plum's coattails" if I'm pointedly trying to get plum and Antny lynched at that point of the game?
* I stated, "It doesn't matter if we lynch Antny or plum toDay" because they both would have died. Anyone not convinced Cyan is scum at this point is deluding themselves.
* Y'know, let's just ignore the fact that you knew Seppel was being dumb because you and your buddy Rolecopped him and couldn't have his falseclaim interfering with your gambit. Great plan.
* As a bonus, I like that you're telling your buddy to stop voting you not-so-subtly there.
This last point against your parody of a case deserves a quote of its own:
Quote from Cyan »
Every wagon he has pushed has been on a townie, and his KJ vote was the bussiest possible.
Sorry, what was that? Hold on, didn't you say in this very post...
Quote from Cyan »
Iso managed to be on both of the town lynches, but not on the scum one. Just more evidence of him being scum.
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Cyan can't keep his story straight, he intentionally removes things from context so as to paint me as scum, and he says things he doesn't even believe, if you look at any past completed game that townCyan has been in, or any Mafia Theory post Cyan has made.
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* I suspected Antny from early onward. I think the fact that I was voting him is a pretty clear indicator of that. The fact that you're purposefully ignoring this is just another point in favor of you being scum.
When you REALLY want someone to get lynched, they get lynched. For example, people can see: any game where you are actually town. In this game, the only wagons that you pushed meaningfully to where that person got lynched were town ones.
Way to get me on semantics. You know exactly what I meant there. But you're right. You didn't actually even end up voting KJ, you just 'said you would'. So you look even worse. Thanks for clarifying.
* I didn't set up Killjoy to "redeem" himself. I called Killjoy out on lying and wanted an explanation for why - simple as that. The biggest reason I didn't suspect Killjoy early on was because I thought DYH was scum. Which, again, you would know if you weren't trying to ignore the context of the game.
Right, you thought DYH was scum. Another strong read that you put zero effort into actually advancing. And please. You pointed out something minimal to KJ, went as far as linking the post so he could easily respond to it, and then completely dropped the issue. This is a textbook scum on scum interaction, kind of like your 'willing to vote him to end the day' bit re: his wagon and claim.
* "Antny is tough to pin down as scum" was based on Proph's uPick Basic, where I played as a hydra with TMCT. This makes it apparent that you didn't even bother scrolling halfway down the page to see what games I've been in with Antny, meaning you just wanted something else to fling at me, here.
I lol'ed at you using a hydra for your 'example'. Give me a ******* break.
* "Iso didn't name the scum team on Day 1! He must be scum!" I don't think I need to even address how ludicrously fallacious this is.
That is not at all what I said. This is a really awful misrepresentation. If you are town in this game, it would have to be the absolute worst town game you have ever played, to the point that it is disastrous. Like I have never seen you be so far off the mark on absolutely everything. It is absurdly more likely that you are simply scum here.
* You're acting like you've never seen me Paradigm Shift before. Paradigm Shift is exactly how I caught all the scum on Day 1 of XKCD. You were scum in that game. You know this. And yet you're trying to use it as a point against me for rescinding a scum read on Seppel. Because only scum reconsider the game state, right? Right.
First of all, what the **** are you talking about with this 'Paradigm Shift' *****. And in xkcd, you decided on a scum team and never waivered from it. Ever. As for Seppel, you never 'rescinded' your scum read on him; you ignored it for awhile and went back to it literally the second that it could result in him getting lynched(which it did).
Also, speaking of Seppel. You 'cleared' Hunger today based *solely* on Seppel's assessment of him from yesterday. This is completely in contradiction with you calling me out for wanting to let Megiddo chose whom should be the next LC.
* I wasn't on the Killjoy wagon, oh no! If he doesn't catch all the scum immediately, he MUST be scum! Y'know, despite me saying I was perfectly willing to lynch him if there was nothing else to discuss. scumIso hammers his buddy, here, even for a little bit of town credit and to snap off town discussion. Clearly that is not what happened.
We have thoroughly established how completely and utterly pointless it is to bus on this site these days. And you saying 'oh uhhh I'm willing to lynch this guy' is not acceptable compared to your actual meaningful effort at pushing other wagons that have all been shown to be on townies.
* I falsecrumbed a self-protective claim because I saw my role as this game's Cop. This is exactly what I did in Mod Mafia 8, because I was the Cop in that game and Wheat basically flat-out said he was going to Vig me by the end of the Day. I wasn't about to claim that I was the Cop to dissuade him, as that would have just ended up in me getting NKed or Roleblocked. So I improvised. This was yet another breadcrumb that I was a Cop-type role in this game.
So..let me get this straight. Your breadcrumb that you were a self-protective role was actually a breadcrumb that you were an investigative one. Even though you already breadcrumbed being an investigative role. Because this makes sooooo much more sense than just 'Iso put multiple breadcrumbs into the thread so that he could reference whichever one would match his false-claim'. How do you even post this ***** with a straight face.
* Again, I wasn't really scumreading Killjoy early in the game because I thought Wheat (DYH's replacement) was scum. You are again intentionally removing the context of my post and misrepresenting the state of the game in its entirety.
What do these things even remotely have to do with each other?
* Cyan, plum was not at all high up on anyone's town list early in the game. To suggest I wanted Antny to skate by on his townieness is plainly dishonest.
You mean he wasn't on anyone's town list until you said 'Well I am pretty sure he is the LC'. Obviously that is going to cause people to reconsider. Come on now.
* No ***** I was arguing with plum, there. (if(Isoclaim==true) & (Antny==scum)), we get the output that (plum==scum). Therefore, it makes perfect sense that I'm arguing with plum there. Also, how on earth do you justify me trying to get "Antny to skate by on plum's coattails" if I'm pointedly trying to get plum and Antny lynched at that point of the game?
* I stated, "It doesn't matter if we lynch Antny or plum toDay" because they both would have died. Anyone not convinced Cyan is scum at this point is deluding themselves.
Right. Because it makes so much more sense here to argue with plum than it would for you to push meaningfully against Antny. Your behavior here is my entire point. If you really thought these guys were both scum, you would have pushed anywhere and everywhere until you got results. That is how TownIso acts. Instead, you pushed against the person that you knew would flip town if lynched, because that would also 'clear' Antny.
It should go without saying that I don't believe that your ability actually tied Antny and MP together. You 100% fabricated this, and then put into the game thread that MP was the LC. So if you couldn't get him lynched, then when he got NK'ed and Antny was still around, you would be able to say 'yeah I was just bluffing that last bit to try to get the scum to confirm another town for us'. This is abundantly obvious based on ALL of your in game behavior combined with what a bunch of ridiculous nonsense the whole 'uhhh they both die together too' tacked on bit of your claimed role. Seriously, regardless of what people think of your alignment(and I don't know how anyone can look at your posts and not realize that you are lolsuperscum), anyone that believes that your role actually exists as claimed should be ashamed of themselves.
* Y'know, let's just ignore the fact that you knew Seppel was being dumb because you and your buddy Rolecopped him and couldn't have his falseclaim interfering with your gambit. Great plan.
You realize that I was on Seppel's wagon when he was at L-1. Why would I ever ever everrrrrrrrr unvote there as scum? Especially if KCC is actually my scumbuddy. The faster that wagon happens, the better that BOTH of us would look. Or, if I were scum, why wouldn't I just revote after MP did? I would have taken on literally no suspicion, knowing that Seppel was going to flip exactly what he did, and it would have strengthened my case against MP because of his late vote on Seppel.
* As a bonus, I like that you're telling your buddy to stop voting you not-so-subtly there.
Of course you would try to spin it this way.
Your accusations here completely and utterly fail to hold up to any amount of scrutiny/reality. What a joke.
Way to get me on semantics. You know exactly what I meant there. But you're right. You didn't actually even end up voting KJ, you just 'said you would'. So you look even worse. Thanks for clarifying.
Was in reference to the bit at the end, where Iso takes two statements by me that have one obvious contextual meaning and just tries to smear me with them.
I agree, plum almost certainly can't be scum, which is why I wanted to make sure he was elected instead of Meg possibly leaving it to you, Iso, or Cyan.
I was just trying to hedge all possibilities in considering the different variables. That brings up an interesting point though, which I will address in my next post.
And I agree with your vote. It's the second best LC we could have ended up with, and the best option you had available. I just think it's a little late to be worrying about plum being scum.
Except I made at least one post after this one you quoted where I clearly did look at behavior. But I appreciate you ignoring reality in favor of smearing me.
No, you really didn't. Go ahead, quote where. -Because the closest you ever came to looking at my behavior was taking issue with me not full claiming Today... when I was trying to become an unkillable LC without handing out the instructions on how to kill me. -Even though you've definitely seen me withhold role info before when I had a reason.
And this dramatic reversal just happens to occur right when you realize that making me LC would add a lynch to the game.
Except no, because I don't believe your claim.
Right. Of course. Which is why you voted me immediately during the massclaim. No, that's not right, you voted seppel. Well, then it's probably why you came into the Day suspecting me. Wait, no, you actually elected me for LC.
So... when did you happen to stop believing my claim. Oh, right, it was just after the discussion about how me being LC would add a lynch to the game, and realising that making sure I wasn't LC had to be your top priority.
implying "I dreamt it" is the only part of my case against you
What? -No, I covered all three parts in here. There was "I dreamt it," there was "hypothetical ability-use scenario based on nothing that's actually happened in the game," and there was "withholding claim info when it made perfect sense to withhold that claim info."
So, you're taking the issue I brought up Yesterday, which you brushed aside, and are now running with it while calling me scum?
Yeah, okay.
Chris's role is the safeguard for the LC being outed. I seriously doubt that your claimed role can exist in this game alongside it.
So, rather than respond to the issue about how ridiculous it is that you brushed off my doubts about cyan's claim Yesterday, only to bring those exact issues up Today like they were your own (while simultaneously calling me scum); you've instead decided to just attack my role.
Alright, let's do that. First, I'm pretty sure that the last part of Chris's ability, where it can become a retaliatory kill, is tied to my role. I'm guessing if he had directed a kill away from me, who didn't need protecting, rather than him just needlessly dying, he'd get a kill out of it in exchange. I can't imagine what else that'd be for. Second, there's no real overlap between chris's role and mine: his could keep a kill away from a valuable target, but couldn't actually reduce the number of kills in the game; whereas mine could prevent a kill, but only if I could attract it myself.
And, since we're discussing the unlikelihood of roles, I think we should look at how a tracker alone usually provides enough info for a mini game. And since this game also starts with a confirmed town double voter, adding in a 1-shot double cop thing on top of that would feel a bit like overkill, don't you think?
And now you are completely making up events that never happened to paint me as scum.
Obviously it didn't happen, yet. No That was my prediction for how you WANTED the game to play out before I put the kibash on your scheme.
Yes, that is the definition of making things up. You created a fantasy scenario, and then called me scum because of how I was acting in your imagination.
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1. Bull*****. At least 3 players spent a good part of the Day trying to get you to provide content.
Ah, semantics, my favorite game. Okay, fine. Of the 9 other living players, maybe 3 of them talked to me in any meaningful way. How does "killjoy was one of those other two-thirds of the players" translate to "KCC is scum"? -There still seems to be a huge disconnect there.
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3. Actually, it's great you bring that up - it looks like a pitiful bus/distancing attempt on Killjoy's behalf. So thank you for highlighting that for me.
Do you need any help moving the goalposts here? It can't be easy pushing them from "it's suspicious that kj didn't mention kcc" all the way to "it's just as suspicious that kj did mention kcc."
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So case Hunger, then we'll talk.
No, that ship has sailed, iso. I'm lynching either you or cyan, and then I'm lynching the other. In the meantime, you can do whatever you want with your vote, but I'm not helping you set up a hunger mislynch in case you can't get the mislynch through on me.
KCC, I am pretty sure you are town here, but you are being incredibly sloppy in this
And I'm pretty sure I'm happy with my vote where it is. I mean, your iso case is very solid, but the cythare part feels weak and tacked on. Kinda like how iso's case on you is strong, but with 3 BS reasons against me bundled in. -The only thing I'm seeing here is you two bussing each other into the ground hoping that whichever one of you is lynched Today, the other can then say "see, I was right about that one, my other suspicion must be right too!" for an easy mislynch.
The Cythare part is weak? Are you kidding? Iso's behavior as scum in this game is very largely based on Cythare being scum with him. It explains perfectly why he tried to engage MP but not Cythare. It explains why he quickly started 'considering me town again' when I started going after MP instead of Cythare, and why he wanted me to case MP yesterday and get him lynched. Everything makes complete sense when you consider the possibility that Iso lied about Cythare and MP dying together and just wanted MP to die so that Cythare AND Iso would gain town cred. Antny was thoroughly scummy, then Cythare stepped in and continued to be scummy. This means that a person is ******* scum for ****'s sake. And Iso CAME TO CYTHARES DEFENSE based on Cythare's *****ty T/S list. Like how much more evidence is necessary for people to realize that Cythare's slot is scum? And I have given you a literal mountain of evidence that shows exactly why it makes perfect sense for Iso to be scum with him.
Because lying about my ability would totally give me town credit, right? Are you even thinking about what you post before you post it or are you just trying to throw anything that might stick my way?
I think the person moving the goalposts here is Cyan, KCC.
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"When you REALLY want to get someone lynched, they get lynched."
* Right...just like how I couldn't get ANY of my scumreads lynched in XKCD BEFORE I died, right? The fact that you validate that I did catch the scum on Day 1, which included you, makes me chuckle in you saying I'm not reading you correctly, here.
"Way to get me on semantics. You know exactly what I meant there. But you're right. You didn't actually even end up voting KJ, you just 'said you would'. So you look even worse. Thanks for clarifying."
* Because I decide when someone else hammers, right? That person was probably my scumbuddy, too, I'm sure. And this doesn't even address the actual point I brought up. Nice strawman.
"Right, you thought DYH was scum. Another strong read that you put zero effort into actually advancing. And please. You pointed out something minimal to KJ, went as far as linking the post so he could easily respond to it, and then completely dropped the issue. This is a textbook scum on scum interaction, kind of like your 'willing to vote him to end the day' bit re: his wagon and claim."
* Uhhm...no? I definitely made it a point to nag DYH about posting QUITE A BIT because I wanted him lynched. Then when Wheat replaced in, I hammered him with questions because I thought he was scum. Which should be obvious, considering the first thing I did when he replaced in was lament that one of my favorite people in Mafia replaced in to a slot I thought was scum. As far as linking him to the post, how is that ANY DIFFERENT from me saying, "So why did you lie about this in [post #x]?"? You KNOW I ******* hate repeating myself in Mafia and giving Killjoy a link to the post where I found him lying made getting an answer out of him a LOT faster than letting him pussyfoot out with a "herf derf I have no idea what you are talking about, Iso!". Additionally, Killjoy didn't post a response to anything for another 70 posts, and by then, I was distracted by Huntzilla (thanks, Cyan!) and completely forgot about Killjoy's blatant lie. If this is a textbook scum interaction, please point out 3 examples of this happening in recent games to me. Because I think you're making ***** up. Again.
"I lol'ed at you using a hydra for your 'example'. Give me a ******* break."
* Right. Because playing as a hydra definitely means I don't read players in the same way. Oh wait.
"That is not at all what I said. This is a really awful misrepresentation. If you are town in this game, it would have to be the absolute worst town game you have ever played, to the point that it is disastrous. Like I have never seen you be so far off the mark on absolutely everything. It is absurdly more likely that you are simply scum here."
* I can't be the best player, ever, in ALL of my games, Cyan. Take a look at Deus Ex Mafia. That was probably my most recent flop of a game as town. I was the Cop and I was reading the 2 scum and SK as town and my scum reads were all VT. I only managed to save the game by Copping one of the VT over the Godfather, which I almost did. The last example I can think of a game where I played this poorly as town was Monster Island Mafia. Man, that was bad. It was so bad, that people lynched me in the endgame for how wrong I was because they thought I was scum for it. But yes, my bad games are few and far between (fortunately), and I can redeem myself by lynching you and your buddy in this game. Hopefully.
"First of all, what the **** are you talking about with this 'Paradigm Shift' *****. And in xkcd, you decided on a scum team and never waivered from it. Ever. As for Seppel, you never 'rescinded' your scum read on him; you ignored it for awhile and went back to it literally the second that it could result in him getting lynched(which it did)."
* This is a blatant lie. My initial scumteam suggestion in XKCD was Plowshares, Rhand, Tom, Sir Chris, and CitricBase. The reason I got lynched is BECAUSE of the way I went up against Tom on Day 1. Again, you were in that game - you know this. I don't understand why you're lying about it when the game is RIGHT THERE for everyone to look at. You say you're not a bad player as scum - are you a bad player as town, Cyan? As for Paradigm Shift, I've already explained this. Do try to actually READ the games you're in, as it'll probably help you NOT get caught as scum so often. Paradigm Shift is when I take a step back from my perspective on the game and analyze everything objectively. It's how I caught all of the scum on Day 1 in Mod Mafia 4. It's how I caught all of the scum on Day 1 in XKCD. It's why I decided Seppel was town on Day 1 of this game and decided to go for DYH, instead. It's really not that hard to follow.
"Also, speaking of Seppel. You 'cleared' Hunger today based *solely* on Seppel's assessment of him from yesterday. This is completely in contradiction with you calling me out for wanting to let Megiddo chose whom should be the next LC."
* No, it's not. The two situations aren't comparable. Megiddo may have incorrectly chosen the LC. This way, there was more input on who the LC should be. It's on confirmed town, so as long as he doesn't shoot us in the foot with it, it SHOULD be fine (though I ultimately would have preferred Hunger as LC because that means we don't have to re-elect on Day 5 after we lynch you). ((Actually, that's another point against KCC, I think - that she was willing to support plum as LC over Hunger, because now the last scum can kill the LC and the paired townies at the same time once we lynch Cyan.)) Cyan, if you're town, you need to be convincing me that Hunger is scum - just like KCC needs to be doing. (But you're not town, so keep doing what you're doing.)
"We have thoroughly established how completely and utterly pointless it is to bus on this site these days. And you saying 'oh uhhh I'm willing to lynch this guy' is not acceptable compared to your actual meaningful effort at pushing other wagons that have all been shown to be on townies."
* Again, scumIso snaps discussion shut at that moment rather than allowing for it to continue. Town credit or not for hammering Killjoy. Also, you're trying to have your cake and eat it - you're saying that because I didn't vote for Killjoy, I'm scum, but had I voted for Killjoy, I still would have been scum. Which is it, Cyan?
"So..let me get this straight. Your breadcrumb that you were a self-protective role was actually a breadcrumb that you were an investigative one. Even though you already breadcrumbed being an investigative role. Because this makes sooooo much more sense than just 'Iso put multiple breadcrumbs into the thread so that he could reference whichever one would match his false-claim'. How do you even post this ***** with a straight face."
* I'm sorry, I didn't realize gambits could only have shallow value. Next time, I'll make what I'm doing transparently obvious so you and your buddies can Nightkill me sooner.
"What do these things even remotely have to do with each other?"
* Cyan confirmed for not reading the game, exactly like in XKCD. DYH was the #1 anti-Killjoy proponent on Day 1, from his first post onward. Any elementary schooler could have deduced that they were either an unaligned pair or town on town. And of course I was looking for these types of connections because of my role.
"You mean he wasn't on anyone's town list until you said 'Well I am pretty sure he is the LC'. Obviously that is going to cause people to reconsider. Come on now."
* And then Megiddo confirmed plum WASN'T the LC, and then plum tried the Masons gambit with Seppel. Seriously, do you shut your eyes and point to a random line in any of my posts and try to make a case out of it, or something? You just told me I'm not a bad town player. Am I a bad scum player, Cyan? A lot of people would disagree with you on that one. If I were scum and thought plum was the LC, he would have died on Night 1. No questions asked, and I never would have revealed that I thought plum was the LC. You're not even using logic at this point. You're throwing ***** and seeing if anything sticks.
"Right. Because it makes so much more sense here to argue with plum than it would for you to push meaningfully against Antny. Your behavior here is my entire point. If you really thought these guys were both scum, you would have pushed anywhere and everywhere until you got results. That is how TownIso acts. Instead, you pushed against the person that you knew would flip town if lynched, because that would also 'clear' Antny."
* Except that wouldn't clear ***** because if I were trying to clear Antny as a scumbuddy, I would be revealed as lying as soon as plum flipped and Antny didn't die. Oops! Forgot about that part, didn't you? And, of course, let's ignore the fact that Antny was V/LA, active lurking, and lurking for half the game, making it impossible to push him as he was absolutely NOT posting meaningfully.
"Seriously, regardless of what people think of your alignment(and I don't know how anyone can look at your posts and not realize that you are lolsuperscum), anyone that believes that your role actually exists as claimed should be ashamed of themselves."
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The Cythare part is weak? Are you kidding? Iso's behavior as scum in this game is very largely based on Cythare being scum with him.
No, I'm pretty sure the Cythare portions are overall irrelevant. I was lightly scumreading him D1, having nothing to do with Cythare -and I'm much more strongly scumreading him now, still having nothing to do with Cythare. Your points about iso's interactions with kj and some of the other wagons were good though.
((Actually, that's another point against KCC, I think - that she was willing to support plum as LC over Hunger, because now the last scum can kill the LC and the paired townies at the same time once we lynch Cyan.)) Cyan, if you're town, you need to be convincing me that Hunger is scum - just like KCC needs to be doing.
Iso, you're saying that I should have elected hunger as LC... and that I should now be casing him? -I don't even know what to say to that.
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* Right...just like how I couldn't get ANY of my scumreads lynched in XKCD BEFORE I died, right? The fact that you validate that I did catch the scum on Day 1, which included you, makes me chuckle in you saying I'm not reading you correctly, here.
Fine, let me be more clear. We are talking about effort here. Or even more specifically, a lackthereof. You have put no effort into getting anyone lynched in this game. And the one scum read that you have had 'for the whole game', you have put arguably the LEAST effort into. This is not how TownIso operates. Look at xkcd. You put painstaking effort into casing EVERYONE that you thought was scum in that game. Here, all you have done is bandy words with people and marginally push wagons. If someone were to find one of your other scum games and compare this to it, I am confident that they would see similarities.
* Uhhm...no? I definitely made it a point to nag DYH about posting QUITE A BIT because I wanted him lynched. Then when Wheat replaced in, I hammered him with questions because I thought he was scum. Which should be obvious, considering the first thing I did when he replaced in was lament that one of my favorite people in Mafia replaced in to a slot I thought was scum. As far as linking him to the post, how is that ANY DIFFERENT from me saying, "So why did you lie about this in [post #x]?"? You KNOW I ******* hate repeating myself in Mafia and giving Killjoy a link to the post where I found him lying made getting an answer out of him a LOT faster than letting him pussyfoot out with a "herf derf I have no idea what you are talking about, Iso!". Additionally, Killjoy didn't post a response to anything for another 70 posts, and by then, I was distracted by Huntzilla (thanks, Cyan!) and completely forgot about Killjoy's blatant lie. If this is a textbook scum interaction, please point out 3 examples of this happening in recent games to me. Because I think you're making ***** up. Again.
'Because I wanted him lynched' is a very generous assessment on your part. And how convenient that you 'forgot' about making Killjoy respond to you, despite going to the extra effort of linking the post that you wanted an answer to. So it was clearly important, but..not actually important enough for you to remember it. This is why you are scum. You 'let yourself' get sidetracked by Huntzilla. The same Huntzilla that I was adamantly trying to avoid getting lynched, while you were busy declaring me town repeatedly. And at the same time, who was *I* trying to get lynched? Oh right. Antny. The same Antny that you called scum at the time.
You have a very obvious pattern of behavior in this game, and that pattern bleeds scum motivation.
* This is a blatant lie. My initial scumteam suggestion in XKCD was Plowshares, Rhand, Tom, Sir Chris, and CitricBase. The reason I got lynched is BECAUSE of the way I went up against Tom on Day 1. Again, you were in that game - you know this. I don't understand why you're lying about it when the game is RIGHT THERE for everyone to look at. You say you're not a bad player as scum - are you a bad player as town, Cyan? As for Paradigm Shift, I've already explained this. Do try to actually READ the games you're in, as it'll probably help you NOT get caught as scum so often. Paradigm Shift is when I take a step back from my perspective on the game and analyze everything objectively. It's how I caught all of the scum on Day 1 in Mod Mafia 4. It's how I caught all of the scum on Day 1 in XKCD. It's why I decided Seppel was town on Day 1 of this game and decided to go for DYH, instead. It's really not that hard to follow.
You are so stuck on 'wahhhh people don't read my posts'. Get the **** over it. For real. I don't read your posts because you will never have a consistent stance in your life. You make wildly outlandish statements like 'I am going to townread this person for the rest of the game' and/or 'I'm never unvoting this guy except to maybe vote this one other guy', and then you wonder why no one takes you seriously. From what I can see, you don't take yourself seriously. And at least half of the posts you make are completely pointless nonsense. When it seems important enough, you inevitably get people to respond to you. You'll have to forgive me for not caring enough to figure out 'is Iso serious or just being Iso'. And I don't need lessons on how to be scum. Thanks.
It's why I decided Seppel was town on Day 1 of this game and decided to go for DYH, instead.
Oh, really? Because I'm pretty sure that your stated reason for unvoting Seppel was because he got suspended for a week. You seem to be having an awfully difficult time keeping your story straight here. And you went back to voting Seppel eventually anyway, so, that hardly seems salient.
* No, it's not. The two situations aren't comparable. Megiddo may have incorrectly chosen the LC. This way, there was more input on who the LC should be. It's on confirmed town, so as long as he doesn't shoot us in the foot with it, it SHOULD be fine (though I ultimately would have preferred Hunger as LC because that means we don't have to re-elect on Day 5 after we lynch you). ((Actually, that's another point against KCC, I think - that she was willing to support plum as LC over Hunger, because now the last scum can kill the LC and the paired townies at the same time once we lynch Cyan.)) Cyan, if you're town, you need to be convincing me that Hunger is scum - just like KCC needs to be doing. (But you're not town, so keep doing what you're doing.)
The two situations are entirely comparable, in my mind. I find myself wishing that we weren't at lynch or lose, so I could just surrender, get lynched and flip town. Then you would get lynched for the scum that you are, AND people would realize that proposing that Megiddo decide the LC was me being my townself. And you keep talking about how this means that I value Megiddo's opinion more than my own. It does not. If the options were either A)I got to vote or B)Megiddo got to vote, I would obviously choose myself. But those were not the choices. The choice were either A)Megiddo got to vote or B)everyone got to. And it's the latter part that I have a problem with. You guys have lynched TWO people now that I strongly and repeatedly advised against, and have adamantly refused to lynch the Antny/Cythare spot. Even though I know that Hunger, MP, and KCC are town, I don't have any confidence in them making the right decision here. I literally had to elect MP because Hunger had all but stated his intent to lynch me today, which *I* know will cost the town the game. So of course I didn't want the election to be left up to everyone.
* Again, scumIso snaps discussion shut at that moment rather than allowing for it to continue. Town credit or not for hammering Killjoy. Also, you're trying to have your cake and eat it - you're saying that because I didn't vote for Killjoy, I'm scum, but had I voted for Killjoy, I still would have been scum. Which is it, Cyan?
I mean. It's certainly possible that you could have handled yourself in a way that would have looked better. But you didn't. You acted completely flaky re: KJ. Why, I will never know. But I don't see any evidence of you acting this way toward A)scum in other games where you were town or B)various townies that you have been suspicious of in this game. This paints a very clear picture for me.
* Cyan confirmed for not reading the game, exactly like in XKCD. DYH was the #1 anti-Killjoy proponent on Day 1, from his first post onward. Any elementary schooler could have deduced that they were either an unaligned pair or town on town. And of course I was looking for these types of connections because of my role.
Except for the part where you called WG scum all day long Day 2(you made a huge deal about this), and have previously tried to tell us that you were 'expressing suspicion toward' KJ at the same time. So now you are just flat out lying to us and cannot keep your story straight.
* And then Megiddo confirmed plum WASN'T the LC, and then plum tried the Masons gambit with Seppel. Seriously, do you shut your eyes and point to a random line in any of my posts and try to make a case out of it, or something? You just told me I'm not a bad town player. Am I a bad scum player, Cyan? A lot of people would disagree with you on that one. If I were scum and thought plum was the LC, he would have died on Night 1. No questions asked, and I never would have revealed that I thought plum was the LC. You're not even using logic at this point. You're throwing ***** and seeing if anything sticks.
In my limited experience with you as scum, yes, you are a bad scum player. And why would you bother to kill MP if he were the LC, considering that he appears to have been wrong about everything for the entire game.
* Except that wouldn't clear ***** because if I were trying to clear Antny as a scumbuddy, I would be revealed as lying as soon as plum flipped and Antny didn't die. Oops! Forgot about that part, didn't you? And, of course, let's ignore the fact that Antny was V/LA, active lurking, and lurking for half the game, making it impossible to push him as he was absolutely NOT posting meaningfully.
Are you really going to sit there and say that you have never lied about your role as town, because you saw some line of play that could be advantageous to you/the town? We all know that this is not true. And the sequence of events here is very obvious. You claim a role that lets you determine if 2 people are the same alignment. You name one scumbuddy and one non. You add in some bit about 'if one of them dies they both do'. Because you are plainly planning on killing the town one, then claiming 'oh I made that up, but now we have a confirmed town in this other guy!'. This is *exactly* something you would do, and frankly, most people would probably go for it. It's not like Antny was ever at risk of being NKed. And nor were you once you claimed 'I'm Vanilla now'. For all we know, you could have tried to kill MP on N2. Either that or Megiddo(unlike most of us, you actually had reason to be wary of him throughout this game). I certainly don't believe that you directly killed Sir Chris.
To everyone else. This is starting to get tedious. You need to read over these conversations and weigh in. I have shown you why Iso is scum in a variety of ways, and have refuted his poor rebuttals. He hasn't even bothered to actually present an argument against me. Literally the only point he seems to have it 'Well you wouldn't have suggested we use Megiddo's LC vote if you were town', and I've argued that point to death.
Prod received. I'm getting ready to leave for Atlantic City in a few hours, so I'm not sure I'll be able to review before then. I'll probably realistically be V/LA through Sunday.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Whelp, 2/3rds of the game is v/la this weekend so I'll relax prod requirements and will check them Monday night. I will be setting a deadline at that point as well.
After review, I think ISO is still the most likely scum. I feel his game has been littered with questionable decisions since day 1. His night actions are confusing from a town perspective and he constantly tried to lynch town.
Here is he kicker for me: if ISO is town it has to be a KCC/cyan scum team. Nothing else works. Hunger never votes me as LC as scum, and cythare is confirmed town through ISO. Why then is KCC voting Cyan here? He said scum must be Cyan/ISO. SUPER easy to just vote ISO instead of cyan. I lynch ISO, scum wins, good game.
Every other combination must involve ISO. Vote:ISO
For the record, I think a cyan/ISO scum team is the most likely here. Cyan and ISO both avoided the killjoy train as long as possible. ISO and cyan voting each other as scum also makes sense. They both would know I am extremely likely to lynch one of them, and so it would be very logical to bus each other for end game. KCC bussing Cyan however does not make sense. It should be reasonable to assume I am likely to vote ISO, why tempt me to hammer the real scum?
All roads point to ISO/x, and I would put money on ISO/cyan. The reason I'm voting ISO is because a non ISO scum team must be cyan/KCC which doesn't make sense.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
"The only possible scum team is Iso/Cyan, so I'm going to derail the Cyan wagon and get Iso lynched, instead, because my ego won't allow me to consider the possibility that I should lynch anyone but Iso right now!"
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@plum: Stats in my sig are to show me where I need to improve and to reference exactly how many games I've played. My Night 1 action made perfect sense with the information I had available to me. And I figured that my ability would clear me, either way, because you and Cythare would have been dead on the Night I used my ability. But I guess I couldn't expect critical thinking in a game of Mafia. You couldn't dig yourself out of your OMGUS tunnel for one second to consider that Cyan was a better lynch than myself, toDay.
I wish Cythare had gotten here before you so we could've WON.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It goes to the person the previous LC selected if there is a tie.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
"One for Hunger."
"One for Masterplum."
"Two for Hunger."
"One for KittyCupCake."
"Two for Masterplum."
The tension hung heavily in the air as there was one more name to be called.
"Three for Masterplum."
He had ascended - but Masterplum knew that this was not a time for pride. They were looking to him for leadership. He stood in front of them all, mindful of all of their eyes staring at him. "In me, you have placed your trust. In me, you have placed your faith. Would that you will look back on this day and smile. Now, gather round. Let's get to the heart of it..."
Masterplum has been elected Lord Commander. Normal game rules are now in effect (you may vote).
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Which means there's no longer a reason not to finish my claim at this point. -If I'm targeted by a non-kill ability, I lose my bulletproof for the night. And if I'm the last townie alive, I die automatically.
So, yeah, scum is definitely iso/cyan. I don't think it matters which is first, since we now only have the two lynches for both.
Vote: Cyan
With plum as tracker and LC, he has to be the kill, which should tell us something about iso's claim.
As lord commander it is my duty to reread and figure this out. I'll do that when I get home from work.
Also not a fan of KCC's early vote
plum not voting Cyan though confirms it's not Kitty/plum.
No, DC said that the scum would win automatically in a 2v2 with the LC dead, before any electing happened.
You can't lynch me and thus you can't get the LC back.
My partner and I force a NL then shoot not KC.
The only way a no lynch doesn't lose the game is if iso is lying about the bonding ability, in which case he can't kill plum since it confirms he's lying and he can't kill anyone else for fear of being tracked, and we end up right back here Tomorrow: everything ventured, nothing gained.
I agree, plum almost certainly can't be scum, which is why I wanted to make sure he was elected instead of Meg possibly leaving it to you, Iso, or Cyan.
I was just trying to hedge all possibilities in considering the different variables. That brings up an interesting point though, which I will address in my next post.
Waterline broke in my house and most of it is under water
"If I'm the last townie alive, I die automatically"
Because the game totally wouldn't be over by that point or anything.
Can we at least all agree that Cyan needs to be lynched toDay and figure out the rest from there?
No, we can't, because if plum dies, so does Cythare. .-.
-
Vote Cyan
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Except I made at least one post after this one you quoted where I clearly did look at behavior. But I appreciate you ignoring reality in favor of smearing me.
Except no, because I don't believe your claim.
[qutoe from="KittyCupCake"]You realized that having an unkillable LC would make it much, much harder to win, also knew that you couldn't justify throwing your top townread into the scumpile based on anything that's actually in the thread, and resorted to some desperate smoke and mirrors to get the LC placed anywhere else.[/quote]
"Smoke and mirrors" is now the term for iocaine resistance? Seems legit. The fact that I even attempted to reconsider the gamestate (as evidenced by my election vote on you) should make it evident I'm town. Additionally, if I were scum, I would have left it at that instead of making it obvious that I wanted to know what you were claiming. You'd already be dead. Sure, I guess we can call it "convenient" that I realized your gambit in the nick of time.
Hey, so, there's this thing that scum typically have called a "Rolecop". Maybe you should look into what it does? Let me help you with that - it's listed right in your role PM!
Except I don't believe your claim, and when we're at a point where we're massclaiming, so your "Bulletproof with restrictions that I'm not going to claim" is pretty much the most convenient claim you could have come up with as scum.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso has a multitude of early game interactions with Antny. Far more than is reasonable for one random townie to have with another. And they all feel like coaching. Examples:
Like..this post is practically just Iso asking Antny to make it easier for him to hop on board the Huntzilla case. Town Iso doesn't need other people to do his work for them.
Plus, he'd had enough of his own interactions with Hunt at that point that he could have justified voting him. He flatly stated that the only person other than Seppel that he would vote would be Hunt. There was no need for him to draw Antny out like this. Something is just rotten here.
Unrelatedly to this subject, something that I discovered while re-reading.
Look at this complete softball that Iso throws to KJ:
In this post, Iso goes out of his way to set this up so that KJ can easily redeem himself. This is just not how town Iso behaves. It's also worth noting that, when a person has these kind of early game interactions with a scum, but never actually makes a push against that person, it is very likely indicative of one scum interacting with another.
Anyway. Getting back to Iso/Antny.
[url=http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/599678-the-wall-mafia-day-4-new-leadership?page=5#c245]This post[/url]
I don't even know what to say here. If this isn't 'one scum interacting with another', then..I don't know what is. This post might as well say 'I don't want to have to bus you but I will if you don't shape up'.
Like..he says that Antny is 'tough to pin down as scum'. What is that based on, exactly? Because it is factually incorrect. Antny was scum in Archer, and Antny was *easily* caught as scum there. On Day 1.
Plus, Iso previously said the following re: Antny.
So now we have Iso saying that Antny is tough to pin down as scum, but he shouldn't be so confident as a new player. These statements hugely contradict each other.
That also brings up another point.
Seppel wasn't scum. Hunt wasn't scum. DYH(replaced by Hunger)..pretty unlikely to be scum. And then there is Antny. Either Iso became a godawful town player overnight(keep in mind that he pegged the ENTIRE scum team in xkcd, and it was a somewhat talented team), or, this was just posturing.
Continuing on.
In this post, Iso tries to get away from his attempts at lynching Seppel, and also tries to subtlely blame me for the Huntzilla wagon. This seems pretty fascinating, given that I never wanted anything to do with that wagon, and correctly read Huntzilla as newb town.
That reminds me. I want to take a brief moment away from this to do some wagon analysis.
Final Vote Count for Huntzilla:
Final Vote Count for Killjoy:
Final Vote Count for Seppel:
KCC managed to be on all 3 of these wagons, as did Masterplum and Seppel(for whatever that is worth given that he lynched himself). Doesn't feel like this provides any meaningful information. Antny was on Huntzilla and Cythare was on KJ, but not Seppel(presumably he would have sheeped his way on there eventually though).
Iso managed to be on both of the town lynches, but not on the scum one. Just more evidence of him being scum.
Iso says this in response to Megiddo saying he is going to 'shoot Iso in the face overnight'. I don't know how you can construe this as anything other than a protective role soft-claim, which makes me feel like Iso was just planting multiple breadcrumbs(this, his original post re: massclaiming and the LC) so that he could claim whatever he wanted later and have some backup for it.
Here we have Iso subtly defending KJ. You know..the one guy that has flipped scum this game.
I pointed out when Iso posted this the first time that I didn't like it. Now I know why. For one thing, he tried to guide as toward lynching one of two people that both flipped town. For another, it really just looks like he was trying to get Antny a free pass on MP's coattails now.
Even putting aside the context of Megiddo ultimately being the LC, this feels like the most questionable vote so far this game. Iso is nothing if not capable of wordplay, and the best reasoning he could come up with for this, on Day 2 with a townie already lynched, is that Megiddo feels 'off'. And this is after he agreed with KCC voting for KJ(but couldn't be bothered to actually put any more effort into KJ at that point).
Tangentially related:
Oh look, Cythare is suspicious of..me(gotta keep up the charade that Antny started, apparently) and exactly 2 people that Iso has expressed suspicion toward. This is just more evidence of a relationship between Iso and Cythare.
[url=http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/599678-the-wall-mafia-day-4-new-leadership?page=19#c927]In this post, Iso finally gets around to voting Antny, because we have now learned that MP was not, in fact, the LC. Let's look over the next few posts and see how much effort Iso actually puts into getting Antny lynched.
Oh look, he really doesn't. But he spends a fair amount of time arguing with MP, which confirms my suspicion that his goal was really just to get Antny to be able to ride MP's coattails. This is particularly evidenced by Iso saying things like:
Don't forget how, yesterday, Iso was extremely quick to go back to town-reading me once I started trying to get MP lynched instead of specifically trying to go after Cythare. Even Seppel pointed this out yesterday.
Later, we also notice how Iso steps up to defend the scum list that Cythare posted. This is wildly inconsistent for someone that recently stated, 'it doesn't matter if we lynch Antny or plum today'. Once again, Iso looks like he doesn't REALLY want Cythare to get lynched.
Shortly(ish) after this, KJ claims, and Iso quickly declares that he is willing to vote KJ to end the day. This reads 100% of a bus vote, and nothing else.
This is a nice 180 from his earlier sentiment re: Hunt's wagon. How convenient.
This was in response to one of my posts, where I fully commit to trying to get MP lynched instead of Cythare. And look at that, Iso drops all suspicion of me and gives himself an opening to get on an MP wagon. Of course, he continues to fuel anti-Seppel sentiment at the same time.
Like..if I could realize that Seppel was just being dumb Seppel yesterday(which he was), then Iso should have been able to realize it as well. He plainly just wanted to have MP lined up as a lynch candidate for today.
It's also worth noting how quickly Iso went from 'hunger is scum', which he has been chanting for literally the entire game to 'Hunger is obv town because Seppel said so' today once it was in his best interest to do so.
And that is pretty much current. Except for the recent part where Iso promises to respond to things I said before this, but instead just comes along and piles the second vote on me(KCC, I am pretty sure you are town here, but you are being incredibly sloppy in this) and responds to KCC, whom he also claims to think is scum, instead.
Iso is as scum as it gets. The evidence and his overwhelmingly anti-town behavior are everywhere in this thread. Every wagon he has pushed has been on a townie, and his KJ vote was the bussiest possible. He is scum and Cythare is his buddy. There is no other explanation for the content that Iso has provided this game.
Vote Iso
* I suspected Antny from early onward. I think the fact that I was voting him is a pretty clear indicator of that. The fact that you're purposefully ignoring this is just another point in favor of you being scum.
* I didn't set up Killjoy to "redeem" himself. I called Killjoy out on lying and wanted an explanation for why - simple as that. The biggest reason I didn't suspect Killjoy early on was because I thought DYH was scum. Which, again, you would know if you weren't trying to ignore the context of the game.
* "Antny is tough to pin down as scum" was based on Proph's uPick Basic, where I played as a hydra with TMCT. This makes it apparent that you didn't even bother scrolling halfway down the page to see what games I've been in with Antny, meaning you just wanted something else to fling at me, here.
* No. My remark about Antny's confidence had subtext that you're choosing to ignore. "like he has confidence that he shouldn't [as town] with his level of experience[, which is why I think he's scum, here]. I shouldn't have to spell this out for you, Cyan. You're not a bad Mafia player, so stop pretending to be.
* "Iso didn't name the scum team on Day 1! He must be scum!" I don't think I need to even address how ludicrously fallacious this is.
* You're acting like you've never seen me Paradigm Shift before. Paradigm Shift is exactly how I caught all the scum on Day 1 of XKCD. You were scum in that game. You know this. And yet you're trying to use it as a point against me for rescinding a scum read on Seppel. Because only scum reconsider the game state, right? Right.
* I didn't try to blame you for anything involving the Huntzilla wagon. I said it was your exchange with Huntzilla that made me suspect him, at all. Meaning his responses to you were less than subpar. How is that blaming you in the slightest? This is the biggest reach you've made all game.
* I wasn't on the Killjoy wagon, oh no! If he doesn't catch all the scum immediately, he MUST be scum! Y'know, despite me saying I was perfectly willing to lynch him if there was nothing else to discuss. scumIso hammers his buddy, here, even for a little bit of town credit and to snap off town discussion. Clearly that is not what happened.
* I falsecrumbed a self-protective claim because I saw my role as this game's Cop. This is exactly what I did in Mod Mafia 8, because I was the Cop in that game and Wheat basically flat-out said he was going to Vig me by the end of the Day. I wasn't about to claim that I was the Cop to dissuade him, as that would have just ended up in me getting NKed or Roleblocked. So I improvised. This was yet another breadcrumb that I was a Cop-type role in this game.
* Again, I wasn't really scumreading Killjoy early in the game because I thought Wheat (DYH's replacement) was scum. You are again intentionally removing the context of my post and misrepresenting the state of the game in its entirety.
* Cyan, plum was not at all high up on anyone's town list early in the game. To suggest I wanted Antny to skate by on his townieness is plainly dishonest.
* I like how you literally state here, "Iso is nothing if not capable of wordplay" and then completely jump to the opposite conclusion of what makes sense - "Iso ISN'T carefully constructing his posts and thinking of elaborate ways to spin Megiddo as scum, therefore Iso is scum". Makes total sense.
* No ***** I was arguing with plum, there. (if(Isoclaim==true) & (Antny==scum)), we get the output that (plum==scum). Therefore, it makes perfect sense that I'm arguing with plum there. Also, how on earth do you justify me trying to get "Antny to skate by on plum's coattails" if I'm pointedly trying to get plum and Antny lynched at that point of the game?
* I stated, "It doesn't matter if we lynch Antny or plum toDay" because they both would have died. Anyone not convinced Cyan is scum at this point is deluding themselves.
* Y'know, let's just ignore the fact that you knew Seppel was being dumb because you and your buddy Rolecopped him and couldn't have his falseclaim interfering with your gambit. Great plan.
* As a bonus, I like that you're telling your buddy to stop voting you not-so-subtly there.
This last point against your parody of a case deserves a quote of its own:
Sorry, what was that? Hold on, didn't you say in this very post...
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Cyan can't keep his story straight, he intentionally removes things from context so as to paint me as scum, and he says things he doesn't even believe, if you look at any past completed game that townCyan has been in, or any Mafia Theory post Cyan has made.
Cyan is scum.
Kill it with fire.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
When you REALLY want someone to get lynched, they get lynched. For example, people can see: any game where you are actually town. In this game, the only wagons that you pushed meaningfully to where that person got lynched were town ones.
Way to get me on semantics. You know exactly what I meant there. But you're right. You didn't actually even end up voting KJ, you just 'said you would'. So you look even worse. Thanks for clarifying.
Right, you thought DYH was scum. Another strong read that you put zero effort into actually advancing. And please. You pointed out something minimal to KJ, went as far as linking the post so he could easily respond to it, and then completely dropped the issue. This is a textbook scum on scum interaction, kind of like your 'willing to vote him to end the day' bit re: his wagon and claim.
I lol'ed at you using a hydra for your 'example'. Give me a ******* break.
That is not at all what I said. This is a really awful misrepresentation. If you are town in this game, it would have to be the absolute worst town game you have ever played, to the point that it is disastrous. Like I have never seen you be so far off the mark on absolutely everything. It is absurdly more likely that you are simply scum here.
First of all, what the **** are you talking about with this 'Paradigm Shift' *****. And in xkcd, you decided on a scum team and never waivered from it. Ever. As for Seppel, you never 'rescinded' your scum read on him; you ignored it for awhile and went back to it literally the second that it could result in him getting lynched(which it did).
Also, speaking of Seppel. You 'cleared' Hunger today based *solely* on Seppel's assessment of him from yesterday. This is completely in contradiction with you calling me out for wanting to let Megiddo chose whom should be the next LC.
We have thoroughly established how completely and utterly pointless it is to bus on this site these days. And you saying 'oh uhhh I'm willing to lynch this guy' is not acceptable compared to your actual meaningful effort at pushing other wagons that have all been shown to be on townies.
So..let me get this straight. Your breadcrumb that you were a self-protective role was actually a breadcrumb that you were an investigative one. Even though you already breadcrumbed being an investigative role. Because this makes sooooo much more sense than just 'Iso put multiple breadcrumbs into the thread so that he could reference whichever one would match his false-claim'. How do you even post this ***** with a straight face.
What do these things even remotely have to do with each other?
You mean he wasn't on anyone's town list until you said 'Well I am pretty sure he is the LC'. Obviously that is going to cause people to reconsider. Come on now.
Right. Because it makes so much more sense here to argue with plum than it would for you to push meaningfully against Antny. Your behavior here is my entire point. If you really thought these guys were both scum, you would have pushed anywhere and everywhere until you got results. That is how TownIso acts. Instead, you pushed against the person that you knew would flip town if lynched, because that would also 'clear' Antny.
It should go without saying that I don't believe that your ability actually tied Antny and MP together. You 100% fabricated this, and then put into the game thread that MP was the LC. So if you couldn't get him lynched, then when he got NK'ed and Antny was still around, you would be able to say 'yeah I was just bluffing that last bit to try to get the scum to confirm another town for us'. This is abundantly obvious based on ALL of your in game behavior combined with what a bunch of ridiculous nonsense the whole 'uhhh they both die together too' tacked on bit of your claimed role. Seriously, regardless of what people think of your alignment(and I don't know how anyone can look at your posts and not realize that you are lolsuperscum), anyone that believes that your role actually exists as claimed should be ashamed of themselves.
You realize that I was on Seppel's wagon when he was at L-1. Why would I ever ever everrrrrrrrr unvote there as scum? Especially if KCC is actually my scumbuddy. The faster that wagon happens, the better that BOTH of us would look. Or, if I were scum, why wouldn't I just revote after MP did? I would have taken on literally no suspicion, knowing that Seppel was going to flip exactly what he did, and it would have strengthened my case against MP because of his late vote on Seppel.
Of course you would try to spin it this way.
Your accusations here completely and utterly fail to hold up to any amount of scrutiny/reality. What a joke.
Was in reference to the bit at the end, where Iso takes two statements by me that have one obvious contextual meaning and just tries to smear me with them.
So... when did you happen to stop believing my claim. Oh, right, it was just after the discussion about how me being LC would add a lynch to the game, and realising that making sure I wasn't LC had to be your top priority. What? -No, I covered all three parts in here. There was "I dreamt it," there was "hypothetical ability-use scenario based on nothing that's actually happened in the game," and there was "withholding claim info when it made perfect sense to withhold that claim info." So, rather than respond to the issue about how ridiculous it is that you brushed off my doubts about cyan's claim Yesterday, only to bring those exact issues up Today like they were your own (while simultaneously calling me scum); you've instead decided to just attack my role.
Alright, let's do that. First, I'm pretty sure that the last part of Chris's ability, where it can become a retaliatory kill, is tied to my role. I'm guessing if he had directed a kill away from me, who didn't need protecting, rather than him just needlessly dying, he'd get a kill out of it in exchange. I can't imagine what else that'd be for. Second, there's no real overlap between chris's role and mine: his could keep a kill away from a valuable target, but couldn't actually reduce the number of kills in the game; whereas mine could prevent a kill, but only if I could attract it myself.
And, since we're discussing the unlikelihood of roles, I think we should look at how a tracker alone usually provides enough info for a mini game. And since this game also starts with a confirmed town double voter, adding in a 1-shot double cop thing on top of that would feel a bit like overkill, don't you think? Yes, that is the definition of making things up. You created a fantasy scenario, and then called me scum because of how I was acting in your imagination. Ah, semantics, my favorite game. Okay, fine. Of the 9 other living players, maybe 3 of them talked to me in any meaningful way. How does "killjoy was one of those other two-thirds of the players" translate to "KCC is scum"? -There still seems to be a huge disconnect there.
Do you need any help moving the goalposts here? It can't be easy pushing them from "it's suspicious that kj didn't mention kcc" all the way to "it's just as suspicious that kj did mention kcc."
No, that ship has sailed, iso. I'm lynching either you or cyan, and then I'm lynching the other. In the meantime, you can do whatever you want with your vote, but I'm not helping you set up a hunger mislynch in case you can't get the mislynch through on me. And I'm pretty sure I'm happy with my vote where it is. I mean, your iso case is very solid, but the cythare part feels weak and tacked on. Kinda like how iso's case on you is strong, but with 3 BS reasons against me bundled in. -The only thing I'm seeing here is you two bussing each other into the ground hoping that whichever one of you is lynched Today, the other can then say "see, I was right about that one, my other suspicion must be right too!" for an easy mislynch.
I think the person moving the goalposts here is Cyan, KCC.
More after work.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
"When you REALLY want to get someone lynched, they get lynched."
* Right...just like how I couldn't get ANY of my scumreads lynched in XKCD BEFORE I died, right? The fact that you validate that I did catch the scum on Day 1, which included you, makes me chuckle in you saying I'm not reading you correctly, here.
"Way to get me on semantics. You know exactly what I meant there. But you're right. You didn't actually even end up voting KJ, you just 'said you would'. So you look even worse. Thanks for clarifying."
* Because I decide when someone else hammers, right? That person was probably my scumbuddy, too, I'm sure. And this doesn't even address the actual point I brought up. Nice strawman.
"Right, you thought DYH was scum. Another strong read that you put zero effort into actually advancing. And please. You pointed out something minimal to KJ, went as far as linking the post so he could easily respond to it, and then completely dropped the issue. This is a textbook scum on scum interaction, kind of like your 'willing to vote him to end the day' bit re: his wagon and claim."
* Uhhm...no? I definitely made it a point to nag DYH about posting QUITE A BIT because I wanted him lynched. Then when Wheat replaced in, I hammered him with questions because I thought he was scum. Which should be obvious, considering the first thing I did when he replaced in was lament that one of my favorite people in Mafia replaced in to a slot I thought was scum. As far as linking him to the post, how is that ANY DIFFERENT from me saying, "So why did you lie about this in [post #x]?"? You KNOW I ******* hate repeating myself in Mafia and giving Killjoy a link to the post where I found him lying made getting an answer out of him a LOT faster than letting him pussyfoot out with a "herf derf I have no idea what you are talking about, Iso!". Additionally, Killjoy didn't post a response to anything for another 70 posts, and by then, I was distracted by Huntzilla (thanks, Cyan!) and completely forgot about Killjoy's blatant lie. If this is a textbook scum interaction, please point out 3 examples of this happening in recent games to me. Because I think you're making ***** up. Again.
"I lol'ed at you using a hydra for your 'example'. Give me a ******* break."
* Right. Because playing as a hydra definitely means I don't read players in the same way. Oh wait.
"That is not at all what I said. This is a really awful misrepresentation. If you are town in this game, it would have to be the absolute worst town game you have ever played, to the point that it is disastrous. Like I have never seen you be so far off the mark on absolutely everything. It is absurdly more likely that you are simply scum here."
* I can't be the best player, ever, in ALL of my games, Cyan. Take a look at Deus Ex Mafia. That was probably my most recent flop of a game as town. I was the Cop and I was reading the 2 scum and SK as town and my scum reads were all VT. I only managed to save the game by Copping one of the VT over the Godfather, which I almost did. The last example I can think of a game where I played this poorly as town was Monster Island Mafia. Man, that was bad. It was so bad, that people lynched me in the endgame for how wrong I was because they thought I was scum for it. But yes, my bad games are few and far between (fortunately), and I can redeem myself by lynching you and your buddy in this game. Hopefully.
"First of all, what the **** are you talking about with this 'Paradigm Shift' *****. And in xkcd, you decided on a scum team and never waivered from it. Ever. As for Seppel, you never 'rescinded' your scum read on him; you ignored it for awhile and went back to it literally the second that it could result in him getting lynched(which it did)."
* This is a blatant lie. My initial scumteam suggestion in XKCD was Plowshares, Rhand, Tom, Sir Chris, and CitricBase. The reason I got lynched is BECAUSE of the way I went up against Tom on Day 1. Again, you were in that game - you know this. I don't understand why you're lying about it when the game is RIGHT THERE for everyone to look at. You say you're not a bad player as scum - are you a bad player as town, Cyan? As for Paradigm Shift, I've already explained this. Do try to actually READ the games you're in, as it'll probably help you NOT get caught as scum so often. Paradigm Shift is when I take a step back from my perspective on the game and analyze everything objectively. It's how I caught all of the scum on Day 1 in Mod Mafia 4. It's how I caught all of the scum on Day 1 in XKCD. It's why I decided Seppel was town on Day 1 of this game and decided to go for DYH, instead. It's really not that hard to follow.
"Also, speaking of Seppel. You 'cleared' Hunger today based *solely* on Seppel's assessment of him from yesterday. This is completely in contradiction with you calling me out for wanting to let Megiddo chose whom should be the next LC."
* No, it's not. The two situations aren't comparable. Megiddo may have incorrectly chosen the LC. This way, there was more input on who the LC should be. It's on confirmed town, so as long as he doesn't shoot us in the foot with it, it SHOULD be fine (though I ultimately would have preferred Hunger as LC because that means we don't have to re-elect on Day 5 after we lynch you). ((Actually, that's another point against KCC, I think - that she was willing to support plum as LC over Hunger, because now the last scum can kill the LC and the paired townies at the same time once we lynch Cyan.)) Cyan, if you're town, you need to be convincing me that Hunger is scum - just like KCC needs to be doing. (But you're not town, so keep doing what you're doing.)
"We have thoroughly established how completely and utterly pointless it is to bus on this site these days. And you saying 'oh uhhh I'm willing to lynch this guy' is not acceptable compared to your actual meaningful effort at pushing other wagons that have all been shown to be on townies."
* Again, scumIso snaps discussion shut at that moment rather than allowing for it to continue. Town credit or not for hammering Killjoy. Also, you're trying to have your cake and eat it - you're saying that because I didn't vote for Killjoy, I'm scum, but had I voted for Killjoy, I still would have been scum. Which is it, Cyan?
"So..let me get this straight. Your breadcrumb that you were a self-protective role was actually a breadcrumb that you were an investigative one. Even though you already breadcrumbed being an investigative role. Because this makes sooooo much more sense than just 'Iso put multiple breadcrumbs into the thread so that he could reference whichever one would match his false-claim'. How do you even post this ***** with a straight face."
* I'm sorry, I didn't realize gambits could only have shallow value. Next time, I'll make what I'm doing transparently obvious so you and your buddies can Nightkill me sooner.
"What do these things even remotely have to do with each other?"
* Cyan confirmed for not reading the game, exactly like in XKCD. DYH was the #1 anti-Killjoy proponent on Day 1, from his first post onward. Any elementary schooler could have deduced that they were either an unaligned pair or town on town. And of course I was looking for these types of connections because of my role.
"You mean he wasn't on anyone's town list until you said 'Well I am pretty sure he is the LC'. Obviously that is going to cause people to reconsider. Come on now."
* And then Megiddo confirmed plum WASN'T the LC, and then plum tried the Masons gambit with Seppel. Seriously, do you shut your eyes and point to a random line in any of my posts and try to make a case out of it, or something? You just told me I'm not a bad town player. Am I a bad scum player, Cyan? A lot of people would disagree with you on that one. If I were scum and thought plum was the LC, he would have died on Night 1. No questions asked, and I never would have revealed that I thought plum was the LC. You're not even using logic at this point. You're throwing ***** and seeing if anything sticks.
"Right. Because it makes so much more sense here to argue with plum than it would for you to push meaningfully against Antny. Your behavior here is my entire point. If you really thought these guys were both scum, you would have pushed anywhere and everywhere until you got results. That is how TownIso acts. Instead, you pushed against the person that you knew would flip town if lynched, because that would also 'clear' Antny."
* Except that wouldn't clear ***** because if I were trying to clear Antny as a scumbuddy, I would be revealed as lying as soon as plum flipped and Antny didn't die. Oops! Forgot about that part, didn't you? And, of course, let's ignore the fact that Antny was V/LA, active lurking, and lurking for half the game, making it impossible to push him as he was absolutely NOT posting meaningfully.
"Seriously, regardless of what people think of your alignment(and I don't know how anyone can look at your posts and not realize that you are lolsuperscum), anyone that believes that your role actually exists as claimed should be ashamed of themselves."
* Gee, this sounds familiar...
"You realize that I was on Seppel's wagon when he was at L-1. Why would I ever ever everrrrrrrrr unvote there as scum?"
* Gee, I dunno, Cyan. Why would you unvote and champion a townie that was about to get lynched?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso, you're saying that I should have elected hunger as LC... and that I should now be casing him? -I don't even know what to say to that.
-But no, I'm still not casing hunger.
But I guess if that's what you're aiming for, I can't stop you.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Fine, let me be more clear. We are talking about effort here. Or even more specifically, a lackthereof. You have put no effort into getting anyone lynched in this game. And the one scum read that you have had 'for the whole game', you have put arguably the LEAST effort into. This is not how TownIso operates. Look at xkcd. You put painstaking effort into casing EVERYONE that you thought was scum in that game. Here, all you have done is bandy words with people and marginally push wagons. If someone were to find one of your other scum games and compare this to it, I am confident that they would see similarities.
'Because I wanted him lynched' is a very generous assessment on your part. And how convenient that you 'forgot' about making Killjoy respond to you, despite going to the extra effort of linking the post that you wanted an answer to. So it was clearly important, but..not actually important enough for you to remember it. This is why you are scum. You 'let yourself' get sidetracked by Huntzilla. The same Huntzilla that I was adamantly trying to avoid getting lynched, while you were busy declaring me town repeatedly. And at the same time, who was *I* trying to get lynched? Oh right. Antny. The same Antny that you called scum at the time.
You have a very obvious pattern of behavior in this game, and that pattern bleeds scum motivation.
You are so stuck on 'wahhhh people don't read my posts'. Get the **** over it. For real. I don't read your posts because you will never have a consistent stance in your life. You make wildly outlandish statements like 'I am going to townread this person for the rest of the game' and/or 'I'm never unvoting this guy except to maybe vote this one other guy', and then you wonder why no one takes you seriously. From what I can see, you don't take yourself seriously. And at least half of the posts you make are completely pointless nonsense. When it seems important enough, you inevitably get people to respond to you. You'll have to forgive me for not caring enough to figure out 'is Iso serious or just being Iso'. And I don't need lessons on how to be scum. Thanks.
Oh, really? Because I'm pretty sure that your stated reason for unvoting Seppel was because he got suspended for a week. You seem to be having an awfully difficult time keeping your story straight here. And you went back to voting Seppel eventually anyway, so, that hardly seems salient.
The two situations are entirely comparable, in my mind. I find myself wishing that we weren't at lynch or lose, so I could just surrender, get lynched and flip town. Then you would get lynched for the scum that you are, AND people would realize that proposing that Megiddo decide the LC was me being my townself. And you keep talking about how this means that I value Megiddo's opinion more than my own. It does not. If the options were either A)I got to vote or B)Megiddo got to vote, I would obviously choose myself. But those were not the choices. The choice were either A)Megiddo got to vote or B)everyone got to. And it's the latter part that I have a problem with. You guys have lynched TWO people now that I strongly and repeatedly advised against, and have adamantly refused to lynch the Antny/Cythare spot. Even though I know that Hunger, MP, and KCC are town, I don't have any confidence in them making the right decision here. I literally had to elect MP because Hunger had all but stated his intent to lynch me today, which *I* know will cost the town the game. So of course I didn't want the election to be left up to everyone.
I mean. It's certainly possible that you could have handled yourself in a way that would have looked better. But you didn't. You acted completely flaky re: KJ. Why, I will never know. But I don't see any evidence of you acting this way toward A)scum in other games where you were town or B)various townies that you have been suspicious of in this game. This paints a very clear picture for me.
Except for the part where you called WG scum all day long Day 2(you made a huge deal about this), and have previously tried to tell us that you were 'expressing suspicion toward' KJ at the same time. So now you are just flat out lying to us and cannot keep your story straight.
In my limited experience with you as scum, yes, you are a bad scum player. And why would you bother to kill MP if he were the LC, considering that he appears to have been wrong about everything for the entire game.
Are you really going to sit there and say that you have never lied about your role as town, because you saw some line of play that could be advantageous to you/the town? We all know that this is not true. And the sequence of events here is very obvious. You claim a role that lets you determine if 2 people are the same alignment. You name one scumbuddy and one non. You add in some bit about 'if one of them dies they both do'. Because you are plainly planning on killing the town one, then claiming 'oh I made that up, but now we have a confirmed town in this other guy!'. This is *exactly* something you would do, and frankly, most people would probably go for it. It's not like Antny was ever at risk of being NKed. And nor were you once you claimed 'I'm Vanilla now'. For all we know, you could have tried to kill MP on N2. Either that or Megiddo(unlike most of us, you actually had reason to be wary of him throughout this game). I certainly don't believe that you directly killed Sir Chris.
To everyone else. This is starting to get tedious. You need to read over these conversations and weigh in. I have shown you why Iso is scum in a variety of ways, and have refuted his poor rebuttals. He hasn't even bothered to actually present an argument against me. Literally the only point he seems to have it 'Well you wouldn't have suggested we use Megiddo's LC vote if you were town', and I've argued that point to death.
Cyan (2): KittyCupCake, Iso
Iso (1): Cyan
Not voting: Cythare, Masterplum, Hunger
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Mod Note: Cythare is being prodded
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Draft my cube! (630 cards)
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
I'll try and read up this weekend.
Here is he kicker for me: if ISO is town it has to be a KCC/cyan scum team. Nothing else works. Hunger never votes me as LC as scum, and cythare is confirmed town through ISO. Why then is KCC voting Cyan here? He said scum must be Cyan/ISO. SUPER easy to just vote ISO instead of cyan. I lynch ISO, scum wins, good game.
Every other combination must involve ISO. Vote:ISO
For the record, I think a cyan/ISO scum team is the most likely here. Cyan and ISO both avoided the killjoy train as long as possible. ISO and cyan voting each other as scum also makes sense. They both would know I am extremely likely to lynch one of them, and so it would be very logical to bus each other for end game. KCC bussing Cyan however does not make sense. It should be reasonable to assume I am likely to vote ISO, why tempt me to hammer the real scum?
All roads point to ISO/x, and I would put money on ISO/cyan. The reason I'm voting ISO is because a non ISO scum team must be cyan/KCC which doesn't make sense.
If ISO is t
I suppose it doesn't matter which of cyan/iso we lynch first.
Unvote
Vote: Iso
I'm remote at the moment but lynch scene forthcoming later tonight.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Cyan and KCC were the scum.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What a ******* joke.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Don't make such a ridiculous night action next time.
Man, you were really on a roll. *shrugs*
Next time
Comedy option:
Cyan/cythare scum team where cythare is godfather and ISO misunderstood the result of his N1 action.
I wish Cythare had gotten here before you so we could've WON.
@KCC: Really. But you knew that.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If it is actually Cyan/Cythare I find it amusing that I brought up Godfather the Day Iso claimed and basically got called an idiot.
Either ISO misrepresented the ability or it is a pretty poor setup to have a godfather with a one use scanning role in the entire game.
Cyan (1): Iso
Iso (4): Cyan, Masterplum, KittyCupCake
Not voting (2): Cythare, Hunger
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player