Janos's screams were unsettling enough for most, but the group felt more so disgusted and resigned than anything else. They stared at him with stone faces for a while...
... and then a quieter noise became audible. A gasping, and a quiet thud. Suddenly, that was all anyone heard. They turned to find their Lord Commander laying face down on the ground; bracing, clutching the dirt. A pool of blood was forming below him, his neck slashed.
They had let their guard down, and THEY had gotten to him in broad daylight.
Mediggo is dead. He was:
Jeor Mormont - Town Lord Commander
Abilities:
You may vote.
Lord Commander: Your vote counts twice toward the lynch threshold but will not be shown as such in vote counts. If you are killed, this role will be publicly re-elected by a vote among all living players during the beginning of the next Day. If there is a tie, the role will pass to the player of your choosing (designated when you die).
Panic.
They could not be leaderless through this. They could not let the enemy know that they had no guidance or direction. They had to elect a new Lord Commander immediately...
You are now electing a new Lord Commander. That player will be known publicly and, once elected, his vote will be visibly reflected twice in the vote count.
1. Discussion may take place as normal.
2. There is no voting for a lynch right now. Any votes made will not be counted.
3. You may vote to elect a Lord Commander by typing in bold: Elect: Player Name
4. Once you vote to elect someone, you may not unvote to elect someone. That vote is permanent for this period.
5. Once everyone has voted, or a majority vote is reached, the Lord Commander has been elected. There will be flavor. After said flavor, the game will resume as normal and you may vote to lynch players.
6. The election period will last no longer than a week (Deadline, will be next Tuesday, at this time).
7. If the election ends in a tie, the new Lord Commander will be determined based on the rule in the role PM.
8. You may not vote to elect yourself Lord Commander.
I'm sure you would. But, no. In fact, just pretend I claimed vanilla (especially since that's what I would have done if someone wasn't being an idiot).
I'm torn between plum and iso for my LC vote. Plum is still my strongest town read, but if there's no support there, iso would do. Really, as long as it's not Cyan or hunger, I'm happy.
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I'm sure you would. But, no. In fact, just pretend I claimed vanilla (especially since that's what I would have done if someone wasn't being an idiot).
I'm torn between plum and iso for my LC vote. Plum is still my strongest town read, but if there's no support there, iso would do. Really, as long as it's not Cyan or hunger, I'm happy.
Also, I'm V/LA through Friday.
ToDay is lylo. Why would you still be withholding your role?
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My thoughts going into the day were that if there was a chance I didn't get shot it was because scum assumed I had no chance of hitting the correct target. Because of that I went on a limb and tracked cythare. An unconventional choice, but perhaps he was a godfather and ISO was telling the truth, or ISO and he were scum playing for late game. Besides, if the team was super obvious like hunger/cyan I was probably getting shot and the track didn't matter.
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I think ISO/X is the only scum team that could possibly make sense here. It makes leaving me alive make more sense. ISO sends the kill so it is incredibly unlikely I track him again.
The question is who is X. Could it be KCC? Using a two use silencer day one on town does seem possibly questionable. If it is KCC that was quite a scum game by KCC.
Does it still have to be cyan? Cyan has been riding me all game. I was very confident cyan was scum earlier..
Now that seppel flipped town (seriously what the hell seppel) I kind of want to buy his hunger argument more.
I am seriously considering voting hunger here. Help.
Starting to think it is KCC/ISO. That would explain why ISO doesn't care KCC hasn't full claimed because he knows KCC's role, and also why ISO would vote KCC so fast.
If it is KCC/ISO I think the game is over. I find it incredibly unlikely I could ever rally the support necessary to defeat that.
ToDay is lylo. Why would you still be withholding your role?
Oops, you didn't count the double vote. We have two lynches available.
You're right, I didn't account for the double-vote meaning 2v2 wouldn't be game over for certain with a town LC. But you also aren't accounting for the fact that if we elect a scum LC, it IS lylo.
@plum - Cythare could also be ninja, or his buddy performed the kill. It's not really definitive either way.
I assume the reason you aren't getting shot is A) you are scum, B) scum knows there is a chance of lynching you and if Iso is telling the truth they get a two-for-one town lynch which pretty much seals the game for them or C) Iso is telling the truth, Cythare IS a Godfather, and so they can't shoot you because Cythare would then also die.
I am in an awful spot right now. I can literally think of logical arguments for why every person alive could be scum.
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ToDay is lylo. Why would you still be withholding your role?
Oops, you didn't count the double vote. We have two lynches available.
We have one lynch available, because plum and I are tied together. I also don't want to elect plum because I don't want the LC to be one of the two destiny-bound players.
Iso, can you explain the shift to wanting to lynch plum/me today?
I don't think us being destiny bond affects the math at all.
It's Lylo either way and would just result in another lord commander election tomorrow. A final 3 lord commander vote is no different then a final 3 regular vote.
My decision on whether or not to vote you has zero to do with scum killing us
3. (Please pay especially close attention to this rule) The Night's Watch always must have a Lord Commander, and there is such a role in this game. The player who starts the game with this role is Town. Their vote will appear normal in the vote counts, but will count twice. Should the person in this role ever die, the role will be publicly re-elected the following Day prior to any lynch votes being cast (I will provide instruction at that time).
And from Megiddo's role PM:
[quote]
Lord Commander: Your vote counts twice toward the lynch threshold but will not be shown as such in vote counts. If you are killed, this role will be publicly re-elected by a vote among all living players during the beginning of the next Day. [/b]If there is a tie, the role will pass to the player of your choosing (designated when you die).[/b]
Bolded for emphasis.
I honestly don't want to pick someone to be LC. I think that we should intentionally tie the vote, and let it go to whomever Megiddo would have chosen. As dead town(and because he is a quality player), his vote seems far more likely to be right than whatever we are going to come up with as a group.
Making this statement feels ironic to me, because I will likely elect Iso if I have to(I find him most likely to be town right now, based on my current assessment of the game state). But I really doubt Megiddo would actually have chosen Iso after how they interacted yesterday.
I'm not even sure how much the LC vote matters, because I'm more convinced than ever, after MP's claimed track, that he and Cythare are the final scum. But at the same time, if it does matter, I would rather the game deciding decision be made by the one person that we KNOW was town, considering that said option is available to us.
Goddamnit I ****ed up the end tag for quote AND bold there.
Lord Commander: Your vote counts twice toward the lynch threshold but will not be shown as such in vote counts. If you are killed, this role will be publicly re-elected by a vote among all living players during the beginning of the next Day. If there is a tie, the role will pass to the player of your choosing (designated when you die).
Corrected. This is why you always preview kids. Even though Curse preview sucks.
ToDay is lylo. Why would you still be withholding your role?
Oops, you didn't count the double vote. We have two lynches available.
We have one lynch available, because plum and I are tied together. I also don't want to elect plum because I don't want the LC to be one of the two destiny-bound players.
Iso, can you explain the shift to wanting to lynch plum/me today?
Seppel was town + his Hunger analysis + townreading Cyan + KCC unlikely scum due to Silencer.
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Objectively, leaving the LC choice to someone we know is town but may have made an uninformed decision seems like a poor choice to me. I feel like the ideal play is to elect the player we feel is most likely to be town, as that puts the eyes of 4 townies on the person that gets chosen instead of the eyes of 1. No offense to Megiddo, but I think we have a better chance of picking town with our election than his unilateral decision.
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ToDay is lylo. Why would you still be withholding your role?
Oops, you didn't count the double vote. We have two lynches available.
We have one lynch available, because plum and I are tied together. I also don't want to elect plum because I don't want the LC to be one of the two destiny-bound players.
Iso, can you explain the shift to wanting to lynch plum/me today?
Seppel was town + his Hunger analysis + townreading Cyan + KCC unlikely scum due to Silencer.
Occam's Razor.
Your razor's a little dull, but thanks for the clarification.
Also, thinking more about the Silencer, I don't think plum/Seppel/anyone else that said this is that crazy: I think it actually makes a lot of sense to silence a buddy. That way if KJ flips (which he did) it distances from Kitty and buys her a lot of town cred. Also, the drawback really isn't even a drawback since it allows a scumbuddy to just coast for a Day. Using the shot on town makes that townie unlynchable for the Day they are silenced, which is probably not where you want to be as scum. Kitty has been behaviorally town to me, but depending on how these flips go, this is something I want to be aware of as I was previously thinking Kitty was off the table.
I'd like you to comment on what I said about this yesterDay.
@Cyan - I disagree with your proposal. Pretty much what Iso said.
1. Meg isn't infallible in his reads because he flipped town.
2. Meg didn't have the same info we do when he made the decision.
3. It shirks responsibility. I want to see who votes for who and why.
4. We have 4 town and 2 scum, presumably. Granted scum can coordinate their votes, but they can't vote for themselves, so the best they could do is vote each other. We are much more likely to give it to town by being democratic about it.
@plum - I agree, Iso's early vote is bad. If he thinks there is any chance you are a town tracker as you claimed, he would clearly want to wait for that info at the very least.
While I was at work, I was thinking about this game, and I can't help but get this sinking feeling that the scumteam is Cyan/KCC. Cyan's taken on the exact tone that he had near endgame of Redux 2 where he was trying to buddy me and convince me to lynch AE with him, and there was something about KCC that I was thinking about when I was asleep with regards to this game that I can't remember now but it's put me on edge. But with regards to Cyan, I just don't understand his "let's have Megiddo choose the LC!" rationale. If he genuinely wanted town elected, he would simply vote for me, which makes me think he's hoping the role of LC lands on himself. Tie that with the incessant insistence that I was lying about my ability's tying clause + pushing the plum/Cythare lynch, I'm pretty sure we need to lynch Cyan, toDay.
Let's lay out the facts:
We have to lynch toDay. We can not run the risk that the scumteam is NOT Cythare/plum, as that will result in an instant town loss. Well, unless...
@DCIII: Does the mafia's win condition activate immediately when they control the vote, or will there be a chance to elect a new LC? Does the original LC have access to the spectator chat? If so, does he know who the scum are?
Anyway, here's the way I see it:
My ability basically clears me. Coupled with my behavior, I'm the shiniest beacon of town in the game at present. Which is a little sad, considering I've taken a mostly backseat role in this game. Either way, if I flip, that confirms that plum and Cythare are of the same alignment. Which brings up...
Cythare/plum - If they're not scum, then the scum can't afford to kill anyone else toNight, presuming we lynch correctly. (If we don't we ******* lose depending on what DCIII says to my above question so whatever.) So let's say we lynch correctly toDay. That means the scum can't kill me, because that will make Cythare/plum confirmed town, which means they will be the default for the LC. If they kill the townie among Hunger/KCC/Cyan, they expose themselves. So if we buy ourselves another Day, that means endgame will likely be Iso, Hunger, & KCC. (This is still assuming that the scum aren't simply Cythare/plum.)
I'm gonna try to get a re-read in tonight after a nap so that I can make sure that Cyan/KCC is the route I want to go and not Hunger for some reason.
I'd like plum to claim his result, if he even has one.
I'd also like discussion on my plan from everyone.
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I think ISO/X is the only scum team that could possibly make sense here. It makes leaving me alive make more sense. ISO sends the kill so it is incredibly unlikely I track him again.
The question is who is X. Could it be KCC? Using a two use silencer day one on town does seem possibly questionable. If it is KCC that was quite a scum game by KCC.
Does it still have to be cyan? Cyan has been riding me all game. I was very confident cyan was scum earlier..
Now that seppel flipped town (seriously what the hell seppel) I kind of want to buy his hunger argument more.
I am seriously considering voting hunger here. Help.
I somehow missed this post earlier.
Again, you're accusing me of being a *****ty Mafia player by merit of not killing you/Cythare on the same Night I Destiny Bonded you together. If there's one thing I'm not, it's a *****ty Mafia player. The fewer warm town bodies that can generate information sooner, the better for the scum. You're also one of the few people in the entire game who has thought I was scum at any point, so it would quite literally be killing 3 birds with one stone.
No, you're letting your confirmation bias get ahold of you.
Also, why are you considering voting Hunger from Seppel's townflip when Seppel was arguing that Hunger is town?
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I challenge anyone to look at what ISO has done this game and show me ISO has done anything ever that has helped town. Every single move he has made all game has been potentially disasterous. If ISO were town and KCC is scum the game could have been practically over if Meg had chosen scum for the tie breaker, and that was before ISO even saw me claim for the day.
My LC campaign is *anyone not ISO* you could probably talk me into a cyan commander vote before ISO.
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Anyway, if your own contributions were of merit, we wouldn't even be in the conundrum of "are plum/Cythare the scum?".
I resisted making Cyan my target on Night 1 because I didn't think he was the LC and he has a tendency to eat early bullets as town, so I wanted to be sure that I didn't get two townies killed on Night 1 as that would have just been ******* awful as I'd have had nothing to show for it since they would be flipped and my ability rendered moot.
Actually, I just had a thought - killing plum/Cythare confirms me, so I wonder if the scum can afford to do that, or if they'll go the route of "Nightkill Iso, convince the pair to vote the other townie". Again, assuming plum/Cythare are town.
Seems a bit risky. Of course, this also doesn't take into account who the LC will be, and I think that'll be a huge factor in how toNight plays out.
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... and then a quieter noise became audible. A gasping, and a quiet thud. Suddenly, that was all anyone heard. They turned to find their Lord Commander laying face down on the ground; bracing, clutching the dirt. A pool of blood was forming below him, his neck slashed.
They had let their guard down, and THEY had gotten to him in broad daylight.
Mediggo is dead. He was:
Jeor Mormont - Town Lord Commander
Abilities:
You may vote.
Lord Commander: Your vote counts twice toward the lynch threshold but will not be shown as such in vote counts. If you are killed, this role will be publicly re-elected by a vote among all living players during the beginning of the next Day. If there is a tie, the role will pass to the player of your choosing (designated when you die).
Panic.
They could not be leaderless through this. They could not let the enemy know that they had no guidance or direction. They had to elect a new Lord Commander immediately...
Do Not Post Yet, Rules Incoming
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
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You are now electing a new Lord Commander. That player will be known publicly and, once elected, his vote will be visibly reflected twice in the vote count.
1. Discussion may take place as normal.
2. There is no voting for a lynch right now. Any votes made will not be counted.
3. You may vote to elect a Lord Commander by typing in bold: Elect: Player Name
4. Once you vote to elect someone, you may not unvote to elect someone. That vote is permanent for this period.
5. Once everyone has voted, or a majority vote is reached, the Lord Commander has been elected. There will be flavor. After said flavor, the game will resume as normal and you may vote to lynch players.
6. The election period will last no longer than a week (Deadline, will be next Tuesday, at this time).
7. If the election ends in a tie, the new Lord Commander will be determined based on the rule in the role PM.
8. You may not vote to elect yourself Lord Commander.
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It is now the Election Period of Day 4 and the above rules are in effect. You may post.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
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2014: Best Town Player
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Anyone have any results to make this easier?
Everyone else has full-claimed?
I'm sure you would. But, no. In fact, just pretend I claimed vanilla (especially since that's what I would have done if someone wasn't being an idiot).
I'm torn between plum and iso for my LC vote. Plum is still my strongest town read, but if there's no support there, iso would do. Really, as long as it's not Cyan or hunger, I'm happy.
Also, I'm V/LA through Friday.
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Elect: KCC
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Oops, you didn't count the double vote. We have two lynches available.
My thoughts going into the day were that if there was a chance I didn't get shot it was because scum assumed I had no chance of hitting the correct target. Because of that I went on a limb and tracked cythare. An unconventional choice, but perhaps he was a godfather and ISO was telling the truth, or ISO and he were scum playing for late game. Besides, if the team was super obvious like hunger/cyan I was probably getting shot and the track didn't matter.
Unfortunately he went nowhere.
ISO electing already seems dubious to me.
I want to figure this out
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Once again I am flabbergasted by ISO's play. If we elect scum we instant lose
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I think ISO/X is the only scum team that could possibly make sense here. It makes leaving me alive make more sense. ISO sends the kill so it is incredibly unlikely I track him again.
The question is who is X. Could it be KCC? Using a two use silencer day one on town does seem possibly questionable. If it is KCC that was quite a scum game by KCC.
Does it still have to be cyan? Cyan has been riding me all game. I was very confident cyan was scum earlier..
Now that seppel flipped town (seriously what the hell seppel) I kind of want to buy his hunger argument more.
I am seriously considering voting hunger here. Help.
Tell me what KCC is then
Starting to think it is KCC/ISO. That would explain why ISO doesn't care KCC hasn't full claimed because he knows KCC's role, and also why ISO would vote KCC so fast.
If it is KCC/ISO I think the game is over. I find it incredibly unlikely I could ever rally the support necessary to defeat that.
@plum - Cythare could also be ninja, or his buddy performed the kill. It's not really definitive either way.
I assume the reason you aren't getting shot is A) you are scum, B) scum knows there is a chance of lynching you and if Iso is telling the truth they get a two-for-one town lynch which pretty much seals the game for them or C) Iso is telling the truth, Cythare IS a Godfather, and so they can't shoot you because Cythare would then also die.
I am in an awful spot right now. I can literally think of logical arguments for why every person alive could be scum.
Scum shoots LC
Elections start, no town player can possibly have more the one vote on him.
I guess I don't know the tiebreak, but still
And this is assuming ISO is lying about his role. If you are assuming that we should lynch him before getting there.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso, can you explain the shift to wanting to lynch plum/me today?
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It's Lylo either way and would just result in another lord commander election tomorrow. A final 3 lord commander vote is no different then a final 3 regular vote.
My decision on whether or not to vote you has zero to do with scum killing us
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And from Megiddo's role PM:
[quote]
Lord Commander: Your vote counts twice toward the lynch threshold but will not be shown as such in vote counts. If you are killed, this role will be publicly re-elected by a vote among all living players during the beginning of the next Day. [/b]If there is a tie, the role will pass to the player of your choosing (designated when you die).[/b]
Bolded for emphasis.
I honestly don't want to pick someone to be LC. I think that we should intentionally tie the vote, and let it go to whomever Megiddo would have chosen. As dead town(and because he is a quality player), his vote seems far more likely to be right than whatever we are going to come up with as a group.
Making this statement feels ironic to me, because I will likely elect Iso if I have to(I find him most likely to be town right now, based on my current assessment of the game state). But I really doubt Megiddo would actually have chosen Iso after how they interacted yesterday.
I'm not even sure how much the LC vote matters, because I'm more convinced than ever, after MP's claimed track, that he and Cythare are the final scum. But at the same time, if it does matter, I would rather the game deciding decision be made by the one person that we KNOW was town, considering that said option is available to us.
Corrected. This is why you always preview kids. Even though Curse preview sucks.
Seppel was town + his Hunger analysis + townreading Cyan + KCC unlikely scum due to Silencer.
Occam's Razor.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I wanna be LC.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Just elect me and I will end war and poverty in our nation.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I think I'm most comfortable with Hunger as LC.
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@Cyan - I disagree with your proposal. Pretty much what Iso said.
1. Meg isn't infallible in his reads because he flipped town.
2. Meg didn't have the same info we do when he made the decision.
3. It shirks responsibility. I want to see who votes for who and why.
4. We have 4 town and 2 scum, presumably. Granted scum can coordinate their votes, but they can't vote for themselves, so the best they could do is vote each other. We are much more likely to give it to town by being democratic about it.
@plum - I agree, Iso's early vote is bad. If he thinks there is any chance you are a town tracker as you claimed, he would clearly want to wait for that info at the very least.
Let's lay out the facts:
We have to lynch toDay. We can not run the risk that the scumteam is NOT Cythare/plum, as that will result in an instant town loss. Well, unless...
@DCIII: Does the mafia's win condition activate immediately when they control the vote, or will there be a chance to elect a new LC? Does the original LC have access to the spectator chat? If so, does he know who the scum are?
Anyway, here's the way I see it:
My ability basically clears me. Coupled with my behavior, I'm the shiniest beacon of town in the game at present. Which is a little sad, considering I've taken a mostly backseat role in this game. Either way, if I flip, that confirms that plum and Cythare are of the same alignment. Which brings up...
Cythare/plum - If they're not scum, then the scum can't afford to kill anyone else toNight, presuming we lynch correctly. (If we don't we ******* lose depending on what DCIII says to my above question so whatever.) So let's say we lynch correctly toDay. That means the scum can't kill me, because that will make Cythare/plum confirmed town, which means they will be the default for the LC. If they kill the townie among Hunger/KCC/Cyan, they expose themselves. So if we buy ourselves another Day, that means endgame will likely be Iso, Hunger, & KCC. (This is still assuming that the scum aren't simply Cythare/plum.)
I'm gonna try to get a re-read in tonight after a nap so that I can make sure that Cyan/KCC is the route I want to go and not Hunger for some reason.
I'd like plum to claim his result, if he even has one.
I'd also like discussion on my plan from everyone.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I somehow missed this post earlier.
Again, you're accusing me of being a *****ty Mafia player by merit of not killing you/Cythare on the same Night I Destiny Bonded you together. If there's one thing I'm not, it's a *****ty Mafia player. The fewer warm town bodies that can generate information sooner, the better for the scum. You're also one of the few people in the entire game who has thought I was scum at any point, so it would quite literally be killing 3 birds with one stone.
No, you're letting your confirmation bias get ahold of you.
Also, why are you considering voting Hunger from Seppel's townflip when Seppel was arguing that Hunger is town?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
How did you miss this
The previous LC selected who his successor would be in the event of a tie prior to the start of the Day.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Also, SERIOUSLY? You Tracked CYTHARE of all people and you expect me to believe you're TOWN?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Sometime soon, though.
In the meantime, more election votes for Iso.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I challenge anyone to look at what ISO has done this game and show me ISO has done anything ever that has helped town. Every single move he has made all game has been potentially disasterous. If ISO were town and KCC is scum the game could have been practically over if Meg had chosen scum for the tie breaker, and that was before ISO even saw me claim for the day.
My LC campaign is *anyone not ISO* you could probably talk me into a cyan commander vote before ISO.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm trying to be nicer geese.
Anyway, if your own contributions were of merit, we wouldn't even be in the conundrum of "are plum/Cythare the scum?".
I resisted making Cyan my target on Night 1 because I didn't think he was the LC and he has a tendency to eat early bullets as town, so I wanted to be sure that I didn't get two townies killed on Night 1 as that would have just been ******* awful as I'd have had nothing to show for it since they would be flipped and my ability rendered moot.
Actually, I just had a thought - killing plum/Cythare confirms me, so I wonder if the scum can afford to do that, or if they'll go the route of "Nightkill Iso, convince the pair to vote the other townie". Again, assuming plum/Cythare are town.
Seems a bit risky. Of course, this also doesn't take into account who the LC will be, and I think that'll be a huge factor in how toNight plays out.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player