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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Overwhelming amount of effort on your part as usual, eh Seppel.
Something about KJ's post to Hunger really bugs me, but I can't put my finger on it. I need to look over the rest of his posts and come back to this. Does anything strike you as familiar there, Hunger?
In the meantime, I'm not swayed from wanting to lynch Antny. The fact that his tantrums culminated in /replace doesn't phase me. If anything, this points toward the same thing I've been saying about him since yesterday, which is that he simply imploded as scum.
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I can confirm that I'm vanilla. Based on the most recent vote count, I'm at L-4.
Also, why wouldn't you want another point of view? If I'm the lynch for today, then my alignment will be confirmed, and you'll have a fresh set of eyes. I'll keep reading until I'm done or am lynched. Hopefully I can change your mind, but if not, at least I can help out.
Also, why wouldn't you want another point of view? If I'm the lynch for today, then my alignment will be confirmed, and you'll have a fresh set of eyes. I'll keep reading until I'm done or am lynched. Hopefully I can change your mind, but if not, at least I can help out.
Cyan's towniness is melting like a whore in hell right now.
Trying to bring in defeatism to a newly placed player is so, so anti-town.
You be a beautiful star, Cythare
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What 'defeatism' are you referring to here? The Mod wasted our time by even bringing in a replacement in the first place. I'm not blaming anything on Cythare, nor am I faulting him for anything. Obviously. But he is correct that information he can provide could prove valuable if he flips town. I cannot imagine how this could happen, and I am fully in agreement with Iso that the scum team is Antny, MP, and Seppel exactly, but that doesn't mean that I can't be wrong. Forgive me for being annoyed that the scummiest person in the game(for the entire game), by far, just replaced out in a tantrum. We shouldn't even be in this situation. If antny doesn't get probation for this game I will be livid.
Well I didn't think he was scum, and not everyone agreed with you. Now mind you if you like you can be livid at antny he was pretty lame and your vote is yours but I've liked plum since the word go and I am told, word on the street, is that antny and plum are of the same alignment so antny got a free ride and thus I am interested in what Cythare has to say also Plum is rumbling about something.
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Overwhelming amount of effort on your part as usual, eh Seppel.
Something about KJ's post to Hunger really bugs me, but I can't put my finger on it. I need to look over the rest of his posts and come back to this. Does anything strike you as familiar there, Hunger?
In the meantime, I'm not swayed from wanting to lynch Antny. The fact that his tantrums culminated in /replace doesn't phase me. If anything, this points toward the same thing I've been saying about him since yesterday, which is that he simply imploded as scum.
1. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be finding familiar, no.
2. Are you actually so certain that both Antny AND plum are for sure scum that you are willing to go to lylo tomorrow if you are wrong? I'm not.
3. I noticed you never actually gave your thoughts on me even though it seemed like you had already read me. Why is that?
I still want to lynch KJ and I don't get why people don't want to vote him.
Well, I don't know how to put this other than arrogantly telling you that you are favoring your meta read of plum too much here, and are simply mistaken.
@MP: That is true, but I don't know what it has to do with anything.
Ok, caught up, with the caveat that I was more skimmy for the last few pages.
My thoughts:
Town:
Megiddo
KittyCupCake
Iso
Masterplum
Unsure:
Seppel
Sir Chris (?)
Scum:
Hunger
Killjoy
Cyan
On the off-chance that one of Hunger/Killjoy/Cyan is not scum, I think that Chris is more likely than Seppel.
Going down the list:
Megiddo - His early play was *****, but he claimed LC and hasn't been counterclaimed.
KittyCupCake - Town by behavior from D1. See: 64, 71, 89, 91, 231, 293 for specific posts. I can dig in more later if needed.
Iso - I can't see scum!Iso faking this from his first post, and his frustration towards Megiddo and accompanying scumread feel completely genuine. Since I can't see a good reason for town!Iso to fake that claim:
masterplum - Confirmed by Iso, and also by his extreme stream-of-consciousness posting style that just doesn't align with a scum mentality.
Seppel - Has been doing little to nothing except hop on wagons, but that's not really alignment-telling here. Masterplum's language seems to indicate Seppel may be town.
Chris - I like a lot of his later play, but he's down here because there were a couple questionable things early on, and he's the most likely other than my top three reads.
For each of my scumreads, I'm just copypastaing my notes for now, because I've been reading for like 4 hours straight and need to take a break, but want this in the thread. I'll dig in more later today/tomorrow.
Hunger:
598 - FULL OF WIFOM
601 - I don’t like this.
635 - This is all over the place
641 - A Killjoy post, but see his point on Hunger wagoning KJ. The reasoning is incorrect, but the catch is still true. (see 598)
690 - Listmakers/look busy
701 - Thanks feels artificial
Killjoy:
5 - Repetitive logic reads as though it was rewritten
92 - Useless post (FOSes already done away with)
162 - That’s his actual post?
166 - Self meta
229 - Calls DYH out for lack of content, but has provided so little of his own
325 - PTAP
Cyan:
24 - Comes in and immediately FOSes, then awkwardly talks about it
68 - First line
199 - Weird; feels need to address vote on Iso and fence-sits on it - dissonance between 100% and then tacked on “don’t know what to make of it”
208 - Feels like Silver Rage
215 - See Antny’s 219
220/227 - Handwaving response away
268 - Discrediting plum
280 - Reads like an overreaction (maybe CFTWR?)
514 - Silencing KCC - Megiddo?
655 - wat
673 - Dismissive of others
1005 - More dismissive
1017 - I DID NOT CLAIM VANILLA
1. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be finding familiar, no.
I can't figure it out, something is just bugging me.
2. Are you actually so certain that both Antny AND plum are for sure scum that you are willing to go to lylo tomorrow if you are wrong? I'm not.
Yes, I am. And I'm fully convinced right now that Seppel is also part of that team, and doesn't know how to get out of plum implying that they are masons together.
3. I noticed you never actually gave your thoughts on me even though it seemed like you had already read me. Why is that?
I'm undecided on you, but you're clearly not in my 'current scum team pile'. I really dislike that you've dismissed antny and plum as possible scum based solely on, from what I can tell, 'well they probably wouldn't be the last 2 votes on the wagon if they were both scum'. Like that is some seriously garbage logic.
I still want to lynch KJ and I don't get why people don't want to vote him.
KJ just hasn't done anything either way, except for his last post to you, which bugs me but I still can't figure out why. But 'lack of content' is not a valid reason to lynch someone over people that have actually acted in an outright scummy fashion.
Yeah my early play was pretty trash tier for me, I can understand the suspicion.
So I am guessing that Plum is something like prosty and he visited Seppel last light and that's why he keeps poking him between the ribs.
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Ok, caught up, with the caveat that I was more skimmy for the last few pages.
My thoughts:
Town:
Megiddo
KittyCupCake
Iso
Masterplum
So..just the entire list of people that are A)obviously town plus MP, whom is required for you to be town if Iso is also town.
Unsure:
Seppel
Sir Chris (?)
Once again, taking the easiest path possible and declaring 2 people that have been largely devoid of content as 'unknowns'.
Scum:
Hunger
Killjoy
Cyan
So..2 of the same people that antny thought were scum + hunger thrown in. What an astounding bit of new information.
Cyan:
24 - Comes in and immediately FOSes, then awkwardly talks about it
68 - First line
199 - Weird; feels need to address vote on Iso and fence-sits on it - dissonance between 100% and then tacked on “don’t know what to make of it”
208 - Feels like Silver Rage
215 - See Antny’s 219
220/227 - Handwaving response away
268 - Discrediting plum
280 - Reads like an overreaction (maybe CFTWR?)
514 - Silencing KCC - Megiddo?
655 - wat
673 - Dismissive of others
1005 - More dismissive
1017 - I DID NOT CLAIM VANILLA
Vote Cyan
Right. It helps when you explain why things are actually scummy, not just list random nonsense that means nothing without context.
This is a suicide vote and nothing else. Cythare is dead and knows it, and just wants to try to take me out first, because he knows that there is 100% no way I am getting lynched, ever, once he flips scum.
@Cyan - It's not just because of their position on the wagon. I haven't liked either of their play, but I also can't be certain on them and I know that if they flip town, it's lylo tomorrow and I will be in the pool for possible misslynches. On top of that, if that happens and scum are able to kill Meg toNight, if they are able to get the vote for LC, they just have the hammer and the game is already over. Like, to risk that I am going to need to be 100% certain and I don't see how I will get to that point toDay.
That said, I find it odd that Cythare's read on plum isn't just: I believe Iso and I am town so he is town. Full stop. The fact that he added that bit about his stream of conscious posting, which is probably a null tell at best if he doesn't have a strong meta on him (which it doesn't seem like he does) makes it look like he feels like he has to really sell it.
Also, I know he said he would dig in later, but his case on me seems pretty damn forced. The only actual thing he has is KJ's "catch" which I refuted and KJ has since admitted he was wrong on.
For each of my scumreads, I'm just copypastaing my notes for now, because I've been reading for like 4 hours straight and need to take a break, but want this in the thread. I'll dig in more later today/tomorrow.
Hunger, it's also relative to the other players. Megiddo, KCC, Iso, masterplum are all town. Possibly Seppel, too, depending on what info masterplum has. That leaves this pile for me:
Sir Chris
You
Killjoy
Cyan
Of these, I find Chris to be least likely, and I think an assumption of 3 scum is reasonable in a mini.
Prostitute. Someone who visits someone and is told if they got up, and the person visited is told they were visited.
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Cyan's vitriol made me just want to do this now. If I convince you, great! If not, hopefully you circle back to it tomorrow after you see my flip.
24 - Immediately comes in and FOSes masterplum, presumably because of the previous discussion about using FOSes instead of votes, but then gets awkwardly self conscious about it. It reads artificially to me. 68 - I dislike the need to say "good I don't have to be paranoid". 199 - I dislike the dissonance in this post. Indicates that masterplum is scum on town, but then notes the vote on Iso and fence-sits on it - dissonance between 100% and then tacked on “don’t know what to make of it” feels like a way out if he needs off the wagon he's trying to form.
208 - I wrote "feels like Silver Rage", but it's a misuse of the phrase. But basically Cyan seems angry that he wasn't getting credit for something he did. It's the use of the phrasing that he did it "first", and the action that he's taking is clearly one that he expected to be a townie-looking action.
215 - The "see Antny's 219" was referring to how this post basically reads like Cyan setting up a straw man.
220/227 - Then, after Antny responds, Cyan calls everything OMGUS, votes Antny, and doesn't follow up, "because it's just OMGUS anyways" and "obvious scum is obvious".
268 - "Discrediting plum." I'm not really sure what's unclear about this post. This post is literally just discrediting masterplum.
280 - Reads like an overreaction. He gets pretty bent out of shape over Sir Chris's vote. The degree to which he goes here on Chris paints him in a potentially scummy light, allowing him another opening to attack. The CFTWR note was about this reaction being about the OMGUS vote.
514 - "Silencing KCC - Megiddo?" This is an artifact of me still thinking Megiddo was scum I really disliked Megiddo's 144/146 towards KCC, as it read like scum trying to trap town. I thought Cyan might be trying to distract away from scum!Megiddo.
655 - There are a few issues with this. Buddying up to Megiddo. I know the stuff on Antny is wrong. Leaving the door open on Iso.
673 - The dismissive nature of this post reads like *****, and the fact that he goes out of his way to call himself town is also weird. If you're town, I don't see why you wouldn't want to read posts to figure out if Iso is telling the truth. Also, :lol: at talking about Iso's ego.
1005 - "More dismissive" - I think this was because I read the first part of this post as a mudsling at Seppel.
1017 - I DID NOT CLAIM VANILLA. I'm not sure what else I need to say here, but it seems like you know my role.
I'm also going to add: 1032 - The fact that you're trying to discredit my reads is hilarious to me. Like, you're trying so hard to leave so many doors open, discredit me for "taking the easiest path possible and declaring 2 people that have been largely devoid of content as 'unknowns'", and then say that my scum reads are ***** too (obviously, because you're in them, right ).
It may be a suicide vote, but I stand by my read. Get lynched. I'm willing to wait until tomorrow from the spectator chat.
24 - Immediately comes in and FOSes masterplum, presumably because of the previous discussion about using FOSes instead of votes, but then gets awkwardly self conscious about it. It reads artificially to me.
What do you mean 'presumably'? I flat out state that it feels weird to be FoSing but seems correct. There is no presumption to be made here. Just you trying to make something out of nothing. And what is self-concious about it? I flatly state that I will change my FOS to a Vote after the current relevant discussion has run it's course.
68 - I dislike the need to say "good I don't have to be paranoid".
....okay? I dislike how much you are already reaching to try and make points where none exist.
199 - I dislike the dissonance in this post. Indicates that masterplum is scum on town, but then notes the vote on Iso and fence-sits on it - dissonance between 100% and then tacked on “don’t know what to make of it” feels like a way out if he needs off the wagon he's trying to form.
This makes no sense. If I hadn't formed a wagon yet, why would I need a way out of it? And he placed a weird vote on Iso that gave me some pause. I fail to see what point you are attempting to make here.
208 - I wrote "feels like Silver Rage", but it's a misuse of the phrase. But basically Cyan seems angry that he wasn't getting credit for something he did. It's the use of the phrasing that he did it "first", and the action that he's taking is clearly one that he expected to be a townie-looking action.
To be clear. You think that KJ is scum, and that I am scum. And that MP is town. So what you are stating here is that I wanted to put alot of effort into getting ahead of one of my scumbuddies to get credit for..a wagon that would result in a mislynch. I wasn't angry at anything. I was getting accused of something that didn't happen, and felt the need to rectify this.
215 - The "see Antny's 219" was referring to how this post basically reads like Cyan setting up a straw man.
How is this 'me setting up a strawman'? I don't believe I have ever played with antny before this game, and I was trying to work out his mindset. His reaction might as well have been 'OH NO I HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE AND AM NOW PANICKING'. It was scummy through and through, to the point that it is indefensible and anyone that read the post could only come to the obvious conclusion that Antny is scum.
268 - "Discrediting plum." I'm not really sure what's unclear about this post. This post is literally just discrediting masterplum.
Of course I wanted to discredit plum. I wanted people to see how awful his vote was and realize that they should not want to be on a wagon with this person. Do you NOT try to discredit people that you think are scum and are voting for people that you think are town?
280 - Reads like an overreaction. He gets pretty bent out of shape over Sir Chris's vote. The degree to which he goes here on Chris paints him in a potentially scummy light, allowing him another opening to attack. The CFTWR note was about this reaction being about the OMGUS vote.
I did get bent out of shape, but not because of Chris's vote. This is pretty clear from just reading this post, and the fact that I have said the same thing multiple times in the past. I made no attempt to paint Chris as scum here. In fact, I said that he was not behaving like he did as scum in a previous game, but also was not behaving like he did as town in another previous game. I didn't know what to make of that; and frankly; I still don't.
655 - There are a few issues with this. Buddying up to Megiddo. I know the stuff on Antny is wrong. Leaving the door open on Iso.
I'm sorry if you feel like me enjoying Megiddo's behavior is somehow scummy. It was just amusing to me. And I love how you say 'the stuff on antny is wrong'. It is not wrong. Regardless of whatever your alignment actually is, Antny IS guilty of the things I have accused him of. And I gave my honest assessment at the time on Iso, that's all I could really do. Like..what am I supposed to do here? Pretend to be more sure one way or another? This is not a real accusation that you should try to make.
673 - The dismissive nature of this post reads like *****, and the fact that he goes out of his way to call himself town is also weird. If you're town, I don't see why you wouldn't want to read posts to figure out if Iso is telling the truth. Also, :lol: at talking about Iso's ego.
It was necessary for me to phrase my statement in this way, because Iso and I were directly discussing a game recently where I WAS scum. And I'm always dismissive, regardless of my alignment.
1017 - I DID NOT CLAIM VANILLA. I'm not sure what else I need to say here, but it seems like you know my role.
So..to be clear. You think that I just know somehow that you are Vanilla. But somehow in knowing that, I just fabricated the idea that Antny provided this information to the thread. This is an actually impossible situation. If I knew from scum information, I would know that this is how I knew, I wouldn't think Antny told us.
I thought that Antny had stated he was Vanilla. If not, then fine.
1032 - The fact that you're trying to discredit my reads is hilarious to me. Like, you're trying so hard to leave so many doors open, discredit me for "taking the easiest path possible and declaring 2 people that have been largely devoid of content as 'unknowns'", and then say that my scum reads are ***** too (obviously, because you're in them, right rollout ).
Your 'reads' are a joke. The only people you are reading as town as the people that you HAVE to read as town. That is pretty much all that needs to be said.
Well, that and how pitiful this case on me is. It's also worth pointing out that you only quoted posts that you could try to directly use against me, which is a pretty obvious smear attempt.
I don't know what else to tell you as far as 'keeping my options open'. I don't even know how this is supposed to be an accusation.
Hopefully people have seen enough now and we can just move on with this lynch.
24 - Immediately comes in and FOSes masterplum, presumably because of the previous discussion about using FOSes instead of votes, but then gets awkwardly self conscious about it. It reads artificially to me.
What do you mean 'presumably'? I flat out state that it feels weird to be FoSing but seems correct. There is no presumption to be made here. Just you trying to make something out of nothing. And what is self-concious about it? I flatly state that I will change my FOS to a Vote after the current relevant discussion has run it's course.
I mean presumably because of the way you jump right into the FOS.
199 - I dislike the dissonance in this post. Indicates that masterplum is scum on town, but then notes the vote on Iso and fence-sits on it - dissonance between 100% and then tacked on “don’t know what to make of it” feels like a way out if he needs off the wagon he's trying to form.
This makes no sense. If I hadn't formed a wagon yet, why would I need a way out of it? And he placed a weird vote on Iso that gave me some pause. I fail to see what point you are attempting to make here.
I don't know? Because you are scum? If it gave you pause, why are you "100% sure on it?
208 - I wrote "feels like Silver Rage", but it's a misuse of the phrase. But basically Cyan seems angry that he wasn't getting credit for something he did. It's the use of the phrasing that he did it "first", and the action that he's taking is clearly one that he expected to be a townie-looking action.
To be clear. You think that KJ is scum, and that I am scum. And that MP is town. So what you are stating here is that I wanted to put alot of effort into getting ahead of one of my scumbuddies to get credit for..a wagon that would result in a mislynch. I wasn't angry at anything. I was getting accused of something that didn't happen, and felt the need to rectify this.
Yeah, actually, I am. Spearheading a wagon on someone who ends up being town puts you in a much better position than just being on the wagon.
215 - The "see Antny's 219" was referring to how this post basically reads like Cyan setting up a straw man.
How is this 'me setting up a strawman'? I don't believe I have ever played with antny before this game, and I was trying to work out his mindset. His reaction might as well have been 'OH NO I HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE AND AM NOW PANICKING'. It was scummy through and through, to the point that it is indefensible and anyone that read the post could only come to the obvious conclusion that Antny is scum.
I would respond to this, but it's clear that you're not going to dive any deeper than "obvscum".
268 - "Discrediting plum." I'm not really sure what's unclear about this post. This post is literally just discrediting masterplum.
Of course I wanted to discredit plum. I wanted people to see how awful his vote was and realize that they should not want to be on a wagon with this person. Do you NOT try to discredit people that you think are scum and are voting for people that you think are town?
I mean, sure, but the way you go about it also potentially casts doubt on anyone else on the wagon.
280 - Reads like an overreaction. He gets pretty bent out of shape over Sir Chris's vote. The degree to which he goes here on Chris paints him in a potentially scummy light, allowing him another opening to attack. The CFTWR note was about this reaction being about the OMGUS vote.
I did get bent out of shape, but not because of Chris's vote. This is pretty clear from just reading this post, and the fact that I have said the same thing multiple times in the past. I made no attempt to paint Chris as scum here. In fact, I said that he was not behaving like he did as scum in a previous game, but also was not behaving like he did as town in another previous game. I didn't know what to make of that; and frankly; I still don't.
Except it's...not. You talk about how he "realize[d] how awful plum's stance is on Hunt, and [that he's] just trying to get away from that wagon." How does that not read like painting to you? You do acknowledge that the masterplum defense is unlike your experience with him either way, but that wasn't the takeaway I got from the post.
655 - There are a few issues with this. Buddying up to Megiddo. I know the stuff on Antny is wrong. Leaving the door open on Iso.
I'm sorry if you feel like me enjoying Megiddo's behavior is somehow scummy. It was just amusing to me. And I love how you say 'the stuff on antny is wrong'. It is not wrong. Regardless of whatever your alignment actually is, Antny IS guilty of the things I have accused him of. And I gave my honest assessment at the time on Iso, that's all I could really do. Like..what am I supposed to do here? Pretend to be more sure one way or another? This is not a real accusation that you should try to make.
How is this not an accusation I should try to make? I don't see how you just default to the response you gave on Iso.
673 - The dismissive nature of this post reads like *****, and the fact that he goes out of his way to call himself town is also weird. If you're town, I don't see why you wouldn't want to read posts to figure out if Iso is telling the truth. Also, :lol: at talking about Iso's ego.
It was necessary for me to phrase my statement in this way, because Iso and I were directly discussing a game recently where I WAS scum. And I'm always dismissive, regardless of my alignment.
1017 - I DID NOT CLAIM VANILLA. I'm not sure what else I need to say here, but it seems like you know my role.
So..to be clear. You think that I just know somehow that you are Vanilla. But somehow in knowing that, I just fabricated the idea that Antny provided this information to the thread. This is an actually impossible situation. If I knew from scum information, I would know that this is how I knew, I wouldn't think Antny told us.
I thought that Antny had stated he was Vanilla. If not, then fine.
Unless you knew and thought that he spilled it before (maybe you got it confused with Hunger's claim?). I don't know. Maybe you're just having an off-day.
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1032 - The fact that you're trying to discredit my reads is hilarious to me. Like, you're trying so hard to leave so many doors open, discredit me for "taking the easiest path possible and declaring 2 people that have been largely devoid of content as 'unknowns'", and then say that my scum reads are ***** too (obviously, because you're in them, right rollout ).
Your 'reads' are a joke. The only people you are reading as town as the people that you HAVE to read as town. That is pretty much all that needs to be said.
Well, that and how pitiful this case on me is. It's also worth pointing out that you only quoted posts that you could try to directly use against me, which is a pretty obvious smear attempt.
I don't know what else to tell you as far as 'keeping my options open'. I don't even know how this is supposed to be an accusation.
Hopefully people have seen enough now and we can just move on with this lynch.[/quote]No. The people I'm reading as town are the people I know are town. And I don't see the issue with quoting posts I think show you're scummy. There's a difference between keeping an open mind and occasionally slinging at other players to keep your options open.
Cythare I'll trade you a cyan wagon for a vote on Killjoy. That's the wagon of the day.
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Something about KJ's post to Hunger really bugs me, but I can't put my finger on it. I need to look over the rest of his posts and come back to this. Does anything strike you as familiar there, Hunger?
In the meantime, I'm not swayed from wanting to lynch Antny. The fact that his tantrums culminated in /replace doesn't phase me. If anything, this points toward the same thing I've been saying about him since yesterday, which is that he simply imploded as scum.
Oh good, at least someone is being sensible.
I've been on that page all game.
As am I
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tl;dr - Your predecessor was scummy in pretty much every post he made and is at L-2. He may have even claimed Vanilla already(earlier in the game).
Also, why wouldn't you want another point of view? If I'm the lynch for today, then my alignment will be confirmed, and you'll have a fresh set of eyes. I'll keep reading until I'm done or am lynched. Hopefully I can change your mind, but if not, at least I can help out.
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Fair enough.
I am waiting to see how many beans
I am forced to spill
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I am forced to spill
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Trying to bring in defeatism to a newly placed player is so, so anti-town.
You be a beautiful star, Cythare
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2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
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2015 - Best Town Player
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2. Are you actually so certain that both Antny AND plum are for sure scum that you are willing to go to lylo tomorrow if you are wrong? I'm not.
3. I noticed you never actually gave your thoughts on me even though it seemed like you had already read me. Why is that?
I still want to lynch KJ and I don't get why people don't want to vote him.
@MP: That is true, but I don't know what it has to do with anything.
My thoughts:
Town:
Megiddo
KittyCupCake
Iso
Masterplum
Unsure:
Seppel
Sir Chris (?)
Scum:
Hunger
Killjoy
Cyan
On the off-chance that one of Hunger/Killjoy/Cyan is not scum, I think that Chris is more likely than Seppel.
Going down the list:
Megiddo - His early play was *****, but he claimed LC and hasn't been counterclaimed.
KittyCupCake - Town by behavior from D1. See: 64, 71, 89, 91, 231, 293 for specific posts. I can dig in more later if needed.
Iso - I can't see scum!Iso faking this from his first post, and his frustration towards Megiddo and accompanying scumread feel completely genuine. Since I can't see a good reason for town!Iso to fake that claim:
masterplum - Confirmed by Iso, and also by his extreme stream-of-consciousness posting style that just doesn't align with a scum mentality.
Seppel - Has been doing little to nothing except hop on wagons, but that's not really alignment-telling here. Masterplum's language seems to indicate Seppel may be town.
Chris - I like a lot of his later play, but he's down here because there were a couple questionable things early on, and he's the most likely other than my top three reads.
For each of my scumreads, I'm just copypastaing my notes for now, because I've been reading for like 4 hours straight and need to take a break, but want this in the thread. I'll dig in more later today/tomorrow.
Hunger:
601 - I don’t like this.
635 - This is all over the place
641 - A Killjoy post, but see his point on Hunger wagoning KJ. The reasoning is incorrect, but the catch is still true. (see 598)
690 - Listmakers/look busy
701 - Thanks feels artificial
Killjoy:
92 - Useless post (FOSes already done away with)
162 - That’s his actual post?
166 - Self meta
229 - Calls DYH out for lack of content, but has provided so little of his own
325 - PTAP
Cyan:
68 - First line
199 - Weird; feels need to address vote on Iso and fence-sits on it - dissonance between 100% and then tacked on “don’t know what to make of it”
208 - Feels like Silver Rage
215 - See Antny’s 219
220/227 - Handwaving response away
268 - Discrediting plum
280 - Reads like an overreaction (maybe CFTWR?)
514 - Silencing KCC - Megiddo?
655 - wat
673 - Dismissive of others
1005 - More dismissive
1017 - I DID NOT CLAIM VANILLA
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I can't figure it out, something is just bugging me.
Yes, I am. And I'm fully convinced right now that Seppel is also part of that team, and doesn't know how to get out of plum implying that they are masons together.
I'm undecided on you, but you're clearly not in my 'current scum team pile'. I really dislike that you've dismissed antny and plum as possible scum based solely on, from what I can tell, 'well they probably wouldn't be the last 2 votes on the wagon if they were both scum'. Like that is some seriously garbage logic.
KJ just hasn't done anything either way, except for his last post to you, which bugs me but I still can't figure out why. But 'lack of content' is not a valid reason to lynch someone over people that have actually acted in an outright scummy fashion.
So I am guessing that Plum is something like prosty and he visited Seppel last light and that's why he keeps poking him between the ribs.
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So..just the entire list of people that are A)obviously town plus MP, whom is required for you to be town if Iso is also town.
Once again, taking the easiest path possible and declaring 2 people that have been largely devoid of content as 'unknowns'.
So..2 of the same people that antny thought were scum + hunger thrown in. What an astounding bit of new information.
Right. It helps when you explain why things are actually scummy, not just list random nonsense that means nothing without context.
This is a suicide vote and nothing else. Cythare is dead and knows it, and just wants to try to take me out first, because he knows that there is 100% no way I am getting lynched, ever, once he flips scum.
@Sir Chris: What does 'prosty' mean?
That said, I find it odd that Cythare's read on plum isn't just: I believe Iso and I am town so he is town. Full stop. The fact that he added that bit about his stream of conscious posting, which is probably a null tell at best if he doesn't have a strong meta on him (which it doesn't seem like he does) makes it look like he feels like he has to really sell it.
Also, I know he said he would dig in later, but his case on me seems pretty damn forced. The only actual thing he has is KJ's "catch" which I refuted and KJ has since admitted he was wrong on.
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Sir Chris
You
Killjoy
Cyan
Of these, I find Chris to be least likely, and I think an assumption of 3 scum is reasonable in a mini.
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24 - Immediately comes in and FOSes masterplum, presumably because of the previous discussion about using FOSes instead of votes, but then gets awkwardly self conscious about it. It reads artificially to me.
68 - I dislike the need to say "good I don't have to be paranoid".
199 - I dislike the dissonance in this post. Indicates that masterplum is scum on town, but then notes the vote on Iso and fence-sits on it - dissonance between 100% and then tacked on “don’t know what to make of it” feels like a way out if he needs off the wagon he's trying to form.
208 - I wrote "feels like Silver Rage", but it's a misuse of the phrase. But basically Cyan seems angry that he wasn't getting credit for something he did. It's the use of the phrasing that he did it "first", and the action that he's taking is clearly one that he expected to be a townie-looking action.
215 - The "see Antny's 219" was referring to how this post basically reads like Cyan setting up a straw man.
220/227 - Then, after Antny responds, Cyan calls everything OMGUS, votes Antny, and doesn't follow up, "because it's just OMGUS anyways" and "obvious scum is obvious".
268 - "Discrediting plum." I'm not really sure what's unclear about this post. This post is literally just discrediting masterplum.
280 - Reads like an overreaction. He gets pretty bent out of shape over Sir Chris's vote. The degree to which he goes here on Chris paints him in a potentially scummy light, allowing him another opening to attack. The CFTWR note was about this reaction being about the OMGUS vote.
514 - "Silencing KCC - Megiddo?" This is an artifact of me still thinking Megiddo was scum I really disliked Megiddo's 144/146 towards KCC, as it read like scum trying to trap town. I thought Cyan might be trying to distract away from scum!Megiddo.
655 - There are a few issues with this. Buddying up to Megiddo. I know the stuff on Antny is wrong. Leaving the door open on Iso.
673 - The dismissive nature of this post reads like *****, and the fact that he goes out of his way to call himself town is also weird. If you're town, I don't see why you wouldn't want to read posts to figure out if Iso is telling the truth. Also, :lol: at talking about Iso's ego.
1005 - "More dismissive" - I think this was because I read the first part of this post as a mudsling at Seppel.
1017 - I DID NOT CLAIM VANILLA. I'm not sure what else I need to say here, but it seems like you know my role.
I'm also going to add:
1032 - The fact that you're trying to discredit my reads is hilarious to me. Like, you're trying so hard to leave so many doors open, discredit me for "taking the easiest path possible and declaring 2 people that have been largely devoid of content as 'unknowns'", and then say that my scum reads are ***** too (obviously, because you're in them, right ).
It may be a suicide vote, but I stand by my read. Get lynched. I'm willing to wait until tomorrow from the spectator chat.
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It's something like this yes.
I am pretty sure seppel is town, but I'm not 100% positive.
I want to believe.
What do you mean 'presumably'? I flat out state that it feels weird to be FoSing but seems correct. There is no presumption to be made here. Just you trying to make something out of nothing. And what is self-concious about it? I flatly state that I will change my FOS to a Vote after the current relevant discussion has run it's course.
....okay? I dislike how much you are already reaching to try and make points where none exist.
This makes no sense. If I hadn't formed a wagon yet, why would I need a way out of it? And he placed a weird vote on Iso that gave me some pause. I fail to see what point you are attempting to make here.
To be clear. You think that KJ is scum, and that I am scum. And that MP is town. So what you are stating here is that I wanted to put alot of effort into getting ahead of one of my scumbuddies to get credit for..a wagon that would result in a mislynch. I wasn't angry at anything. I was getting accused of something that didn't happen, and felt the need to rectify this.
How is this 'me setting up a strawman'? I don't believe I have ever played with antny before this game, and I was trying to work out his mindset. His reaction might as well have been 'OH NO I HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE AND AM NOW PANICKING'. It was scummy through and through, to the point that it is indefensible and anyone that read the post could only come to the obvious conclusion that Antny is scum.
Of course I wanted to discredit plum. I wanted people to see how awful his vote was and realize that they should not want to be on a wagon with this person. Do you NOT try to discredit people that you think are scum and are voting for people that you think are town?
I did get bent out of shape, but not because of Chris's vote. This is pretty clear from just reading this post, and the fact that I have said the same thing multiple times in the past. I made no attempt to paint Chris as scum here. In fact, I said that he was not behaving like he did as scum in a previous game, but also was not behaving like he did as town in another previous game. I didn't know what to make of that; and frankly; I still don't.
I'm sorry if you feel like me enjoying Megiddo's behavior is somehow scummy. It was just amusing to me. And I love how you say 'the stuff on antny is wrong'. It is not wrong. Regardless of whatever your alignment actually is, Antny IS guilty of the things I have accused him of. And I gave my honest assessment at the time on Iso, that's all I could really do. Like..what am I supposed to do here? Pretend to be more sure one way or another? This is not a real accusation that you should try to make.
It was necessary for me to phrase my statement in this way, because Iso and I were directly discussing a game recently where I WAS scum. And I'm always dismissive, regardless of my alignment.
So..to be clear. You think that I just know somehow that you are Vanilla. But somehow in knowing that, I just fabricated the idea that Antny provided this information to the thread. This is an actually impossible situation. If I knew from scum information, I would know that this is how I knew, I wouldn't think Antny told us.
I thought that Antny had stated he was Vanilla. If not, then fine.
Your 'reads' are a joke. The only people you are reading as town as the people that you HAVE to read as town. That is pretty much all that needs to be said.
Well, that and how pitiful this case on me is. It's also worth pointing out that you only quoted posts that you could try to directly use against me, which is a pretty obvious smear attempt.
I don't know what else to tell you as far as 'keeping my options open'. I don't even know how this is supposed to be an accusation.
Hopefully people have seen enough now and we can just move on with this lynch.
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back at you! It reads horribly artificial.
I don't know? Because you are scum? If it gave you pause, why are you "100% sure on it?
Yeah, actually, I am. Spearheading a wagon on someone who ends up being town puts you in a much better position than just being on the wagon.
I would respond to this, but it's clear that you're not going to dive any deeper than "obvscum".
I mean, sure, but the way you go about it also potentially casts doubt on anyone else on the wagon.
Except it's...not. You talk about how he "realize[d] how awful plum's stance is on Hunt, and [that he's] just trying to get away from that wagon." How does that not read like painting to you? You do acknowledge that the masterplum defense is unlike your experience with him either way, but that wasn't the takeaway I got from the post.
How is this not an accusation I should try to make? I don't see how you just default to the response you gave on Iso.
Ok, cool. Thanks for the meta.
Unless you knew and thought that he spilled it before (maybe you got it confused with Hunger's claim?). I don't know. Maybe you're just having an off-day.
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Your 'reads' are a joke. The only people you are reading as town as the people that you HAVE to read as town. That is pretty much all that needs to be said.
Well, that and how pitiful this case on me is. It's also worth pointing out that you only quoted posts that you could try to directly use against me, which is a pretty obvious smear attempt.
I don't know what else to tell you as far as 'keeping my options open'. I don't even know how this is supposed to be an accusation.
Hopefully people have seen enough now and we can just move on with this lynch.[/quote]No. The people I'm reading as town are the people I know are town. And I don't see the issue with quoting posts I think show you're scummy. There's a difference between keeping an open mind and occasionally slinging at other players to keep your options open.
Anyways, lynch me first.
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Vote: Killjoy
Vote Count 2.7
Cythare (2) - Cyan, Iso
Killjoy (4) - Hunger, Sir Chris, KittyCupCake, Seppel
Hunger (1) - Killjoy
Sir Chris (1) - Masterplum
Cyan (1) - Cythare
Not Voting (1) - Megiddo
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player