I'm in favor of looking harder at Zind after his buddy flips.
Why wait? Let's have it.
(Compare this post to my opener - they're pretty much the same, both of us making a comment that vaguely implicates someone and encourages pressure on them without volunteering to actually do anything.)
I'm fine with Lynching AI, he was pushing for my Lynch/Vigging because of anti-town playstyle yet he has failed to show his play-style any different from what he is advocating to hate so much.
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Actually considering you have about 53 posts which translate into 4 pages when viewed alone i would challenge that you hold at least 2.5 screens worth of useless posts at the minimum.
Aside from that you are basically now trying to argue lesser evil defense, which is hypocritical at best.
Furthermore, you and i advocating policy lynching the other and/or getting the other shot is apparently something that hasn't changed in the last 5 years it seems.
To conclude, the fact that you brazenly state you are gonna start lurking is anti-town to begin with so im gonna link to appropriate mood music
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Call me old fashioned, but an evil ascension to power just isn't the same without someone chanting faux Latin in the background.
Oreo, Glazing people better than Dunkin' Donuts since 2009
That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
I voted you because you said someone should look into something you thought might be suspicious about AI without doing it yourself. It was a lazy attempt to sling mud at AI and if you were genuinely interested in it or thought something was there you would have done it yourself. I don't know anything about your meta.
You're casting suspicion on a lot of players. Where's your vote?
Why'd you say you were voting me for the same reason as AE, then?
What is your comment on what I just posted that shows AE has no evidence for his attacks on me and has contributed nothing worthwhile all game?
Why are you not reading my posts? I have made it clear that I'll vote when I'm good and ready.
Azrael :
Atog says he's been playing more aggressively than usual, and that lynch-baiting was his strategy since the beginning.
Does his play prior to Taredas' case strike you as aggressive? (IMO he was barely noticeable until that point; I'd love to know what he considers "normal aggressiveness")
Also, on the subject of his OMGUS-fest, I really want to stress out that he focused almost entirely on Taredas' and Rhand's (explicit or imagined) town read on Prophylaxis. Atogaholic later claimed he looked for suspects mostly among those voting him or Vishamon: where does Prophylaxis fit in all this?
Last but not least, where's the "aha! you guys are scum who fell into my trap!" reaction that is so common with the lynch-baiting gambit? Why didn't he appear overjoyed that his plan worked so well?
Your analysis is good, enough to give me pause. But your interpretation of Atog's play makes a lot more sense than his actual play. Hopefully he posts his meta soon and we can see if his claims are coherent.
He actually did give several "aha!" comments, immediately after he explained his baiting strategy, within that 5-post burst. They were more in line with "Aha! Look at all the data I've created which people can now more fully analyze!" than "Aha! These specific people are now scum!"
I don't think he's been particularly town. It's the amount of scumzillas falling over themselves to make him the #1 lynch target that make me want to stay well away from him. I've seen snakes that were less bent than Az's pbpa on him, he's got obvscum AE trying to force a link between the two of us on no evidence whatsoever, and now he has lurkers jumping on his wagon as well.
Sorry for the triple post. When I'm previewing I'm not seeing half the posts in the thread it seems.
@Proph: I find i can excuse Karn's suspicion more because he is making it clear in the post he is about to hit the bed, whereas AI is simply barning and we have to assume he did so with enough time or no real problem with making a simple double check.
Btw can i get your thoughts on my comment regarding Zinda? (actually anyone else is free to comment i just get the feeling im being ignored and i want some attention).
I'm sorry, but can you re-quote this? I totally missed where you asked this.
Man, there has been very little analysis or scumhunting going on. I think we need to move the gamestate along - way too many people are drive-by posting.
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When has Rhand ever handled pressure well, as either alignment?
Well, he's clearly handling it well here.
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There is a distinct difference between Wu-Tang and this game that you are neglecting in your comparison... I flipped out in Wu-Tang because Rhand was flat-out lying about a completed game to twist facts and discredit my ability as a player.
I still would expect more conviction from you - you've been mostly a fly on the wall and reading pretty un-emotively.
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I would still like your opinion on this.
Not sure. I was scum that game so I didn't really pay much attention to AI.
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If Atog's not the lynch for the day, though, I'm getting to the point where I'd prefer hawk to AI.
Why?
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Apparently Hawk refuses to respond to me.
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We should lynch him.
The game is stalled out between two wagons, and.. your response is to take your vote off of one of the two wagons and onto someone who (realistically) has a very low chance of being lynched Today. Why?
Not sure if I would go after zindabad if AI flips scum - he's clearly experienced enough to know that FoSing without a vote is scummy, but he's doing it anyway. A bit of Wine tossed into that read, but I've been liking zindabad's stances after his last couple of posts.
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At the moment, I feel like the game has stagnated and we're ready for a lynch. I think Togs is just noob town.
Actually considering you have about 53 posts which translate into 4 pages when viewed alone i would challenge that you hold at least 2.5 screens worth of useless posts at the minimum.
Aside from that you are basically now trying to argue lesser evil defense, which is hypocritical at best.
Furthermore, you and i advocating policy lynching the other and/or getting the other shot is apparently something that hasn't changed in the last 5 years it seems.
To conclude, the fact that you brazenly state you are gonna start lurking is anti-town to begin with so im gonna link to appropriate mood music
If my posts are useless, lurking is not anti-town.
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Actually considering you have about 53 posts which translate into 4 pages when viewed alone i would challenge that you hold at least 2.5 screens worth of useless posts at the minimum.
Aside from that you are basically now trying to argue lesser evil defense, which is hypocritical at best.
Furthermore, you and i advocating policy lynching the other and/or getting the other shot is apparently something that hasn't changed in the last 5 years it seems.
To conclude, the fact that you brazenly state you are gonna start lurking is anti-town to begin with so im gonna link to appropriate mood music
If my posts are useless, lurking is not anti-town.
lern 2 logik (or just replace out and make this game 100% more enjoyable for me)
If my posts are useless, lurking is not anti-town.
Yeah no, that's a bad excuse and you know it.
As per your logic useless posts are bad and anti-town play style that deserves vigging.
Actively stating you are gonna lurk is anti-town behavior, therefore by your logic also deserves viggin.
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The worst part of this is that you are actually making me wish i do, your attitude and attacks at me are really unfun, specially given i have done nothing to deserve it other than not abide by your oh so mighty and correct view of the proper game playstyle.
At end of game i will ask mods to consider review of this attitude of yours because it is honestly not fun.
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AI, you are doing nothing to make me second guess voting for you.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I took a look over AI's posts on D1 of Celestial, where he was mislynched (in a strikingly similar situation to what we're dealing with here), and on D2 of Return to Ravnica where he was lynched as scum. His posts in this game are much more like the former than the latter. In RTR he was more calm and rational, and in Celestial he was much more indignant and inclined to take swipes at other players (which is the behavior I'm seeing here). Others should examine those two games and see if they agree.
I took a closer look at Scarbo - he needs a dedicated post, but the short version is that he's probably scum with AI. His "is this a slip?" towards Atog is probably scum trying to make a "Gotcha!" on a vulnerable-seeming townie, especially since he suggested that it was a slip - which is exactly what he did in Disney Villains, and I checked his three most recent town games (Wu-Tang, UT, Dinosaurs Lost in Time) and the only time he talked about slips in *any* of those was in response to one of Rhand's comments in Wu-Tang (and he didn't accuse anyone of slipping in *any* of those games).
Which is another point in Atog's favor, since *both* of the players trying to ram through that lynch are likely scum. (I'm starting to wonder if scum have daychat, actually - this feels like a coordinated attempt to push through a mislynch before it falls apart, especially since Az [who has a tendency of analyzing and derailing wagons on town] is in the game and likely town.)
Re: first paragraph... in the games I've been in with scarbo, I've found him to have a noticeable tone shift between town and scum. In Smalltown and MM2 he was much more pushy about his opinions and not really interested in discussing issues, and very caustic in reactions to/addressing others' posts. In Apocalypse and RTR he was more open to discussing the game, and was more prone to posting sarcastic "one-liner" type responses. I think his play here much more mirrors those games.
Re: second paragraph... today is really starting to remind me of Celestial D1, where we had two competing town wagons (AI and Killjoy) that couldn't get over the hump for a huge chunk of time. The townies who were voting weren't budging from their positions, and all the scum were already voting (as a matter of fact, all four scum were on the eventual AI lynch wagon). I don't trust either of these wagons.
The game is stalled out between two wagons, and.. your response is to take your vote off of one of the two wagons and onto someone who (realistically) has a very low chance of being lynched Today. Why?
Why are you trying to force one of these two lynches through? We are not that close to the deadline, and based on the previous votecount, neither lynch is even particularly close to L-2. Your interest in preventing another wagon from springing up feels unnatural. I don't trust either of these wagons (see above).
Hawk's posts in this game have been bad. His reads are changing with the wind and he is avoiding questions.
I guess? I just don't see how that led to the conclusion that he's probably town.
If the case against him is invalid, and I'm seeing a self-consistent explanation for his behavior that's pretty rationale, and no other strong scum tells, I'd call that a pretty reasonable chance of being town.
I don't agree with this conclusion, and still don't agree with your logic.
I didn't at the time, but it's not like that's been my only post. Also, what do you mean by "pot, kettle, black"? I haven't accused anyone of any content-related issues, so this just feels out of place.
Pot, kettle, black was for me - I hadn't contributed much, but I was asking you why you hadn't contributed.
You even preface it with "useless post incoming." And it's interesting how you try to say "it's not like that was my only post", as if you had presented lots of content. Watch this space.
The entirety of the phrase "pot, kettle, black: Do you have anything other than mechanics speculation to contribute?" made it seem like you were calling me out for accusing someone else of something, which just didn't make any sense. I guess your clarification kinda makes sense, but that's now how it read. You are right that I hadn't added much non-mechanical content to the thread. I've been keeping my notes to myself for the most part.
What if we did a mass guild association But not a guild mechanics claim. Reasoning is what if a scum gruul avoids wagons and says he is another guild. Later on he could quick hammer if other gruul are voting.
I don't see why this would be a problem. I still don't want orzhov or simic claiming the guild power unless necessary.
To be clear, I don't understand the delineation here between guild association and mechanics when some of this is already in the thread. Also, given that the mechanic is dialed up from RtR, I don't want to mass claim. I can see the logic of locking the scum in (I guess), but I don't really see how this helps at all when they've been "seamlessly integrated into the other guilds" anyways. There's nothing to catch them on.
And so was this as well. Any time you would like to begin posting actual content, please go ahead. FoS: Cythare.
This was an attempt to understand hawk's mindset, but yes, it was mechanics-oriented. I like the mudsling here, though.
I don't find those points strong enough to consider Atog town. I can see them all coming from a scum player. The mismatch about the coherent false mindset and the inability to respond to queries is the only point that is compelling, but is still something I can see coming from a scum player who is focusing on consistency to the point where they're unable to deviate from their plan.
If Atog's not the lynch for the day, though, I'm getting to the point where I'd prefer hawk to AI.
Three people brought up as possible lynch candidates, none of whom you've done any legwork on.
Sure thing, pot. I bring up the three people that are being discussed. I still prefer Atogaholic to AI. I also prefer hawk to AI. I've been hesitant to post my full thoughts on hawk because I didn't want to derail the other wagons.
If my posts are useless, lurking is not anti-town.
Yeah no, that's a bad excuse and you know it.
As per your logic useless posts are bad and anti-town play style that deserves vigging.
Actively stating you are gonna lurk is anti-town behavior, therefore by your logic also deserves viggin.
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The worst part of this is that you are actually making me wish i do, your attitude and attacks at me are really unfun, specially given i have done nothing to deserve it other than not abide by your oh so mighty and correct view of the proper game playstyle.
I just don't like you. (1nb4 "the feeling's mutual")
I took a look over AI's posts on D1 of Celestial, where he was mislynched (in a strikingly similar situation to what we're dealing with here), and on D2 of Return to Ravnica where he was lynched as scum. His posts in this game are much more like the former than the latter. In RTR he was more calm and rational, and in Celestial he was much more indignant and inclined to take swipes at other players (which is the behavior I'm seeing here). Others should examine those two games and see if they agree.
I totally forgot about getting mislynched in that game. Given the apathy and terrible voting in this game, I'm not holding my breath on people actually bothering doing the legwork to do a comparison, but I am very easily meta'd.
OK apparently I have my head completely up my ass. There were five scum in Celestial, not four. desCoures was lurking hard and his vote was off in nowhereland while KJ and AI were being run up.
Still though... there were four scum on the first seven votes of the lynch wagon, which is why it took so long to go through.
I took a look over AI's posts on D1 of Celestial, where he was mislynched (in a strikingly similar situation to what we're dealing with here), and on D2 of Return to Ravnica where he was lynched as scum. His posts in this game are much more like the former than the latter. In RTR he was more calm and rational, and in Celestial he was much more indignant and inclined to take swipes at other players (which is the behavior I'm seeing here). Others should examine those two games and see if they agree.
I...agree?
Damn you for making me do research.
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I really hate doing that. I feel a bit like I'm rewarding a crying baby. But, at least based on that game, the sulking AI is doing right now is entirely in character for him as Town. Given that was the main reason I was voting him, I don't feel as comfortable anymore.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Someone show me a game where AI was a big baby about getting lynched and was scum, quick.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
First thing I'd like to address is Zindabads calling me scum with proph (who he said I hadn't interacted with). One of the first things I said was I like having proph in the game because it makes my town game stronger so generally I'd assume he was town unless I had no scumspects. I then said that I could link multiple games where this was the case (no one wanted proof).
I thought scarbo was scum earlier but I don't see scum motivation for how he is currently playing.
If they were both scum, does anyone believe scarbo would risk trying to save a buddy this early?
What if scarbo was scum and AI was town, id expect him to just focus on someone else he thought was scum and not defend AI. The other two remaining scenarios is scarbo being town regardless of AIs alignment.
Anyways, currently I don't like atog, zindabad or dking.
I'm leaning towards atog because his wagon stalled out for no good reason.
I currently think dking could be scum based off of a meta tell but it's not strong enough to convince others, just personal opinion.
Zindabad painted a bunch of people as scum which just seemed like a good way to keep his lynch options open. Also the point he used against me was terrible and wrong which means his reads are probably fabricatsd.
I thought scarbo was scum earlier but I don't see scum motivation for how he is currently playing.
If they were both scum, does anyone believe scarbo would risk trying to save a buddy this early?
What if scarbo was scum and AI was town, id expect him to just focus on someone else he thought was scum and not defend AI. The other two remaining scenarios is scarbo being town regardless of AIs alignment.
Anyways, currently I don't like atog, zindabad or dking.
I'm leaning towards atog because his wagon stalled out for no good reason.
I currently think dking could be scum based off of a meta tell but it's not strong enough to convince others, just personal opinion.
Zindabad painted a bunch of people as scum which just seemed like a good way to keep his lynch options open. Also the point he used against me was terrible and wrong which means his reads are probably fabricatsd.
You said an awful lot of nothing but waffle about the person you just unvoted (AI). Considering you said nothing at all about jumping on the wagon in the first place, you seem to be very willing to talk about everything but where your vote is going.
I guess you're scum. Now to figure out if that changes the AI situation.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
AI's play has been particularly bad regardless of scarbo. Plenty of people have pointed out enough evidence, or you could just look at the last two pages of his unwillingness to cooperate with anyone. Sorry I'm not sorry that I like discussing things that are not the main topic.
AI's play has been particularly bad regardless of scarbo. Plenty of people have pointed out enough evidence, or you could just look at the last two pages of his unwillingness to cooperate with anyone. Sorry I'm not sorry that I like discussing things that are not the main topic.
Ok and the reason you unvoted him in that case?
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
Prod Watch (aka the people who should read my post #525)
Sir Karn: 6 days (1 prod)
Atogaholic: 5 days (1 prod)
Taredas: 2 days (1 prod)
Vishamon: 2 days
I currently think dking could be scum based off of a meta tell but it's not strong enough to convince others, just personal opinion.
IIRC, we have been in three games together before this (WWE, Apocalypse and Wu-Tang). I was town in all three, and you were scum in 2/3. I find it hard to believe you have developed any meta tells on me, since I doubt you were scrutinizing my behavior when you were scum and you were not in any of my scum games.
AI's play has been particularly bad regardless of scarbo. Plenty of people have pointed out enough evidence, or you could just look at the last two pages of his unwillingness to cooperate with anyone. Sorry I'm not sorry that I like discussing things that are not the main topic.
Prod Watch (aka the people who should read my post #525)
Sir Karn: 6 days (1 prod)
Atogaholic: 5 days (1 prod)
Taredas: 2 days (1 prod)
Vishamon: 2 days
I am voting AI as of post #493
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"I'm a compulsive liar no matter what team I play on, but I'm trying to get better about it."
Why are you trying to force one of these two lynches through? We are not that close to the deadline, and based on the previous votecount, neither lynch is even particularly close to L-2. Your interest in preventing another wagon from springing up feels unnatural. I don't trust either of these wagons (see above).
The Day has been going on for a while now and it's evident that people are starting to get tired - we are losing pace. If we lose pace then the scum can easily rub their hands and cackle with glee (which, I suspect, they are doing now) because the town isn't rereading or trying to find scum.
Is there anyone else that you think will be run up Today? If you think hawk is scum, why aren't you convincing the rest of us instead of pointing and him and saying "his posts are bad" with a sweep of the hand?
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@Proph: The only lynches I support today are zindabad, atog, and hans. I don't see any of those as realistically happening.
Why are you supporting lynches that you know aren't going to be lynched Today?
It might help if you were actually voting for scum.
Righto, then. Carry on.
Why wait? Let's have it.
(Compare this post to my opener - they're pretty much the same, both of us making a comment that vaguely implicates someone and encourages pressure on them without volunteering to actually do anything.)
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
I don't see myself making relevant posts until Atog posts again so I'm going to lurk until then.
Aside from that you are basically now trying to argue lesser evil defense, which is hypocritical at best.
Furthermore, you and i advocating policy lynching the other and/or getting the other shot is apparently something that hasn't changed in the last 5 years it seems.
To conclude, the fact that you brazenly state you are gonna start lurking is anti-town to begin with so im gonna link to appropriate mood music
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Zindabad is skirting the issue. All he is doing is trying to discredit his attackers. He is not explaining himself or answering for his actions.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
He actually did give several "aha!" comments, immediately after he explained his baiting strategy, within that 5-post burst. They were more in line with "Aha! Look at all the data I've created which people can now more fully analyze!" than "Aha! These specific people are now scum!"
WHAT HAPPENED TO MY GAME
IT'S SO SMAAAAAAAAALL
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AE say something about someone that isn't me. What is your take on anyone but me? Or point me to where you have commented on anyone but me. Please.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Are you guys for real?
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
I don't think he's been particularly town. It's the amount of scumzillas falling over themselves to make him the #1 lynch target that make me want to stay well away from him. I've seen snakes that were less bent than Az's pbpa on him, he's got obvscum AE trying to force a link between the two of us on no evidence whatsoever, and now he has lurkers jumping on his wagon as well.
Sorry for the triple post. When I'm previewing I'm not seeing half the posts in the thread it seems.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
I'm sorry, but can you re-quote this? I totally missed where you asked this.
Man, there has been very little analysis or scumhunting going on. I think we need to move the gamestate along - way too many people are drive-by posting.
Well, he's clearly handling it well here.
I still would expect more conviction from you - you've been mostly a fly on the wall and reading pretty un-emotively.
Not sure. I was scum that game so I didn't really pay much attention to AI.
Why?
The game is stalled out between two wagons, and.. your response is to take your vote off of one of the two wagons and onto someone who (realistically) has a very low chance of being lynched Today. Why?
Not sure if I would go after zindabad if AI flips scum - he's clearly experienced enough to know that FoSing without a vote is scummy, but he's doing it anyway. A bit of Wine tossed into that read, but I've been liking zindabad's stances after his last couple of posts.
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At the moment, I feel like the game has stagnated and we're ready for a lynch. I think Togs is just noob town.
People not voting AI or Togs: Explain why.
I was going to get into this but I'd rather hear you tell me what his stance is.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Hawk is voting AI because he thinks both he and I are scum and I'm defending him.
Axel is lazily hopping on the wagon.
Hansantor isn't even lazily hopping on the wagon.
Same deal with KK.
AE is voting AI because zindabad was hiding.
Atog aka scumlord 2015 is pseudo-voting AI.
Az, taredas, and proph are the only ones who have managed to put any effort behind their votes.
Seriously am I the only one seeing this?
If my posts are useless, lurking is not anti-town.
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I wish I could thank this post.
So while this wasn't my objective, it seems like zin hit it on the head; all the terribad scum are coming out of the woodwork. Good, good.
Regardless if AI's wagon is bad or not, it still doesn't change the fact that AI's response to pressure has not been great.
Why are you voting for someone who (realistically) has no chance of being lynched Today? C'mon, we're losing pace.
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Are you saying you think there's 5 scum on your wagon?
Yeah no, that's a bad excuse and you know it.
As per your logic useless posts are bad and anti-town play style that deserves vigging.
Actively stating you are gonna lurk is anti-town behavior, therefore by your logic also deserves viggin.
The worst part of this is that you are actually making me wish i do, your attitude and attacks at me are really unfun, specially given i have done nothing to deserve it other than not abide by your oh so mighty and correct view of the proper game playstyle.
At end of game i will ask mods to consider review of this attitude of yours because it is honestly not fun.
Just saying.
Re: first paragraph... in the games I've been in with scarbo, I've found him to have a noticeable tone shift between town and scum. In Smalltown and MM2 he was much more pushy about his opinions and not really interested in discussing issues, and very caustic in reactions to/addressing others' posts. In Apocalypse and RTR he was more open to discussing the game, and was more prone to posting sarcastic "one-liner" type responses. I think his play here much more mirrors those games.
Re: second paragraph... today is really starting to remind me of Celestial D1, where we had two competing town wagons (AI and Killjoy) that couldn't get over the hump for a huge chunk of time. The townies who were voting weren't budging from their positions, and all the scum were already voting (as a matter of fact, all four scum were on the eventual AI lynch wagon). I don't trust either of these wagons.
Seriously?
Why are you trying to force one of these two lynches through? We are not that close to the deadline, and based on the previous votecount, neither lynch is even particularly close to L-2. Your interest in preventing another wagon from springing up feels unnatural. I don't trust either of these wagons (see above).
Hawk's posts in this game have been bad. His reads are changing with the wind and he is avoiding questions.
@Proph: The only lynches I support today are zindabad, atog, and hans. I don't see any of those as realistically happening.
The entirety of the phrase "pot, kettle, black: Do you have anything other than mechanics speculation to contribute?" made it seem like you were calling me out for accusing someone else of something, which just didn't make any sense. I guess your clarification kinda makes sense, but that's now how it read. You are right that I hadn't added much non-mechanical content to the thread. I've been keeping my notes to myself for the most part.
This was an attempt to understand hawk's mindset, but yes, it was mechanics-oriented. I like the mudsling here, though.
Sure thing, pot. I bring up the three people that are being discussed. I still prefer Atogaholic to AI. I also prefer hawk to AI. I've been hesitant to post my full thoughts on hawk because I didn't want to derail the other wagons.
Hans? Or do you mean hawk?
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I don't recall ever saying that.
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Probably the only accurate comment you've made all game.
I just don't like you. (1nb4 "the feeling's mutual")
Don't worry, I plan on going on indefinite hiatus again after this game, anyway. Curse makes Mafia pretty miserable to play.
quote from="Axelrod »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/598429-gatecrash-day-one-murder-investigation?comment=508"]AI, you are doing nothing to make me second guess voting for you.
Just saying. [/quote]
Axel, I struggle to envision a scenario in which I care less.
Just saying.
I totally forgot about getting mislynched in that game. Given the apathy and terrible voting in this game, I'm not holding my breath on people actually bothering doing the legwork to do a comparison, but I am very easily meta'd.
Still though... there were four scum on the first seven votes of the lynch wagon, which is why it took so long to go through.
I...agree?
Damn you for making me do research.
Unvote
I really hate doing that. I feel a bit like I'm rewarding a crying baby. But, at least based on that game, the sulking AI is doing right now is entirely in character for him as Town. Given that was the main reason I was voting him, I don't feel as comfortable anymore.
First thing I'd like to address is Zindabads calling me scum with proph (who he said I hadn't interacted with). One of the first things I said was I like having proph in the game because it makes my town game stronger so generally I'd assume he was town unless I had no scumspects. I then said that I could link multiple games where this was the case (no one wanted proof).
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I thought scarbo was scum earlier but I don't see scum motivation for how he is currently playing.
If they were both scum, does anyone believe scarbo would risk trying to save a buddy this early?
What if scarbo was scum and AI was town, id expect him to just focus on someone else he thought was scum and not defend AI. The other two remaining scenarios is scarbo being town regardless of AIs alignment.
Anyways, currently I don't like atog, zindabad or dking.
I'm leaning towards atog because his wagon stalled out for no good reason.
I currently think dking could be scum based off of a meta tell but it's not strong enough to convince others, just personal opinion.
Zindabad painted a bunch of people as scum which just seemed like a good way to keep his lynch options open. Also the point he used against me was terrible and wrong which means his reads are probably fabricatsd.
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I guess you're scum. Now to figure out if that changes the AI situation.
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This is your chance to save yourself.
hansanator (1): Sepiriel
Atogaholic (2): Cythare, AsianInvasion
Taredas (1): Atogaholic
AsianInvasion (6): Prophylaxis, Archmage Eternal, KoolKoal, Taredas, Azrael, hansanator
dkingsland967 (1): Rhand
Zindabad (1): Scarbo
7hawk77 (1): dkingsland967, Obzedat
V/LA
Rhand - Until the heat death of the universe
Prod Watch (aka the people who should read my post #525)
Sir Karn: 6 days (1 prod)
Atogaholic: 5 days (1 prod)
Taredas: 2 days (1 prod)
Vishamon: 2 days
Vote: Atogaholic
Megs, I unvoted Atog and voted Hawk in 448
IIRC, we have been in three games together before this (WWE, Apocalypse and Wu-Tang). I was town in all three, and you were scum in 2/3. I find it hard to believe you have developed any meta tells on me, since I doubt you were scrutinizing my behavior when you were scum and you were not in any of my scum games.
#barnsohard
I am voting AI as of post #493
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
Is there anyone else that you think will be run up Today? If you think hawk is scum, why aren't you convincing the rest of us instead of pointing and him and saying "his posts are bad" with a sweep of the hand?
Why are you supporting lynches that you know aren't going to be lynched Today?