1. "lol I've been so wrong but this time I'm def right about Rhand trust me!"
2. I've seen all town wagons before. Who's the scum on Taredas's wagon? Or is 7 too few for a "great chance?"
3. yeah because you've somehow unfathomably not gotten lynched yet
True story, I actually had a stupid dream about this game and in it I had an epiphany that there were no scum at all in the Simic clan and the rest were all hiding in Gruul. I cannot remember now what kind of dream-logic I was using to arrive at that conclusion, but I remember the conclusion....
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Here's some WIFOM though for your brains. Why on Earth would the scum have chosen to shoot Sepirial last night? In what world does that make any kind of sense? I can come up with one and 1/2 reasons. And they still seem worse than the alternatives available to them.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Yeh I've been wondering about the Sepiriel kill too.
But there's a few possible reasons.
* only 2 people were universally townread: me and Sepiriel. I posted in a signup thread somewhere that I am going on a cruise again and will be VL-A for a long time. They might have picked up on that and decided I am no threat toDay.
* if Scarbo is scum, killing me brings POE closer to him. So hence Sepiriel over me.
* If Obzedat is scum, giving us the Taredas flip steers us away from him. He needed Sepiriel dead to accomplish that (even if his claim is fake and he does it himself, he still needed Sepiriel dead to match his claim)
About Gruul scums: the idea of that clan having 2 or more scum is weird. We have already lost if that's the case.
I did a quick Taredas reread. Sadly the town he cleared are all dead.
Looking particularly bad is KJ because he's the 'I would vote him but want Scarbo dead first' guy. And Axelrod a little bit because of the soft interactions.
Atog looks not too good too: he was the early 'catch' but evolved to a townread. He seems like a dichotomy with Scarbo.
Taredas' pushes on Scarbo were kind of hardcore. Does anyone know if Taredas ever buses?
Who was responsible for the Night flavor Taredas received?
I want a full massclaim now. Somehow Atog escaped claiming and I want to know his role.
Yeh I've been wondering about the Sepiriel kill too.
But there's a few possible reasons.
* only 2 people were universally townread: me and Sepiriel. I posted in a signup thread somewhere that I am going on a cruise again and will be VL-A for a long time. They might have picked up on that and decided I am no threat toDay.
* if Scarbo is scum, killing me brings POE closer to him. So hence Sepiriel over me.
* If Obzedat is scum, giving us the Taredas flip steers us away from him. He needed Sepiriel dead to accomplish that (even if his claim is fake and he does it himself, he still needed Sepiriel dead to match his claim)
About Gruul scums: the idea of that clan having 2 or more scum is weird. We have already lost if that's the case.
* Uh, I wasn't universally townreading Sep. But maybe I was the only one? Not universally townreading you either, for that matter, though you're certainly looking better than several other people right now. I would say both the Boros people were more cleared (well, at least 7Hawk), AND they actually have an ability that can still do something in this game. Killing a Simic person would similarly seem a no brainer to remove the threat of ability use.
* About that, given there are just the two of you left in the Simic group. What's your opinion? Like, from your position it's got to be either (1) He's scum, or (2) there's no scum in Simic. I could ask Scarbo the same thing, I suppose. If there's no scum in Simic, would it have been a good play for them to kill one of you two? I think it might have been. In fact, I think this may be what's going on with Orzhov now. See below.
* It's funny this is like the complete opposite of how I see it. If Obzedat is scum, killing Sepirial does almost nothing for the Mafia, and actually seems to hurt their position. It gives us the Taredas flip, which we weren't getting otherwise. It removed a non-power/non-cleared role from the game. People were already saying "there are probably multiple scum in Orzhov" because of this voting-out mechanic. This would just seem to make it more likely that people look at who is left - which is just me, and him. I note that more than one person this game day has suggested removing Obzedat for this very reason.
So from where I'm sitting, that is basically the main reason I could see for them going after Sep. In the hope that it would drive people towards Obzedat/myself via process of elimination. Obviously part of this comes from my more informed perspective that I'm not Mafia.
I'm going out of Town for the next 3 days. I will hopefully have some kind of Internet where I'm going. Back on Friday.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Yeh I've been wondering about the Sepiriel kill too.
But there's a few possible reasons.
* only 2 people were universally townread: me and Sepiriel. I posted in a signup thread somewhere that I am going on a cruise again and will be VL-A for a long time. They might have picked up on that and decided I am no threat toDay.
* if Scarbo is scum, killing me brings POE closer to him. So hence Sepiriel over me.
* If Obzedat is scum, giving us the Taredas flip steers us away from him. He needed Sepiriel dead to accomplish that (even if his claim is fake and he does it himself, he still needed Sepiriel dead to match his claim)
About Gruul scums: the idea of that clan having 2 or more scum is weird. We have already lost if that's the case.
At first glance I disagreed with your lynching obzedat logic. This makes more sense.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Axelrod: I am not sold that there has to be scum in every guild. There wasn't in RtR.
But DCiii's claimed ability, as far as I understand it, makes no sense with only 1 Orzhov scum.
>scarbo wants an Atog lynch
>hawk wants an Atog lynch and more time to think about it
>hawk sees Obzedat on scarbo (what's new?)
>hawk wants a scarbo lynch because Obzedat
I feel like there are two scum left. A hidden scum in Obzedat does not make a lot of sense to me. I feel Boros and Orzhov are at this point cleared because of finding scum in their midst already. That leaves Simic and Gruul. Simic could be either candidate, though at this time I feel like Scarbo is more likely scum than not. In Gruul, I know I am town, I feel Zinda cannot possibly be scum with the ability that he has, which leaves us with Killjoy or Atogaholic. If Scarbo is scum as I believe, I either have to believe that he has decided to do nothing BUT bus his teammate Atog from Day 1. Or, the other option is KJ. I have felt better about KJ lately. I am not sure if this works out...
The other scenario that is possible is that Rhand has played us all and is scum. In this scenario it would make sense that Atog was his buddy, and Scarbo has been a frustrated townie trying to be heard this entire game. I could also see a scum team of KJ and Rhand left as well.
Obzedat has been literally SCREAMING from the dead that Scarbo be lynched. He has been voting him seemingly forever. I would be comfortable starting here with the PoE. Scarbo is definitely where I would put my money for scum at this time.
Just lynch me. It's going to happen eventually anyway, unless there's only one scum left, which is absurd, or at least unusually cruel on meg's part.
I can't imagine a guild cop will be useful, maybe point it at DCIII for *****s and giggles, rhand? it was probably stupid to claim in the first place anyway.
I feel like there are two scum left. A hidden scum in Obzedat does not make a lot of sense to me. I feel Boros and Orzhov are at this point cleared because of finding scum in their midst already. That leaves Simic and Gruul. Simic could be either candidate, though at this time I feel like Scarbo is more likely scum than not. In Gruul, I know I am town, I feel Zinda cannot possibly be scum with the ability that he has, which leaves us with Killjoy or Atogaholic. If Scarbo is scum as I believe, I either have to believe that he has decided to do nothing BUT bus his teammate Atog from Day 1. Or, the other option is KJ. I have felt better about KJ lately. I am not sure if this works out...
The other scenario that is possible is that Rhand has played us all and is scum. In this scenario it would make sense that Atog was his buddy, and Scarbo has been a frustrated townie trying to be heard this entire game. I could also see a scum team of KJ and Rhand left as well.
Obzedat has been literally SCREAMING from the dead that Scarbo be lynched. He has been voting him seemingly forever. I would be comfortable starting here with the PoE. Scarbo is definitely where I would put my money for scum at this time.
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Tl;dr: I want to vote Scarbo so he can be lynched but he will flip town and when he does I will need another mislynch toMorrow so I must start turning on my biggest town read already so that I can vote him toMorrow.
Rhand: Hpw dp we tell the difference between Obzedat is scum, so Sepi doesn't vote out, and Sepi doesn't know so Sepi doesn't vote out? Maybe if Sepi doesn't know, Ob needs to vote AE.
Also, Not a fan of Hawk and Hunt jumping on scar because Obzedat? Hawk, stop being terrible. Hunt, that's a terrible vote.
Rhand: Why are YOU ok with that? Scar's right, Hawk's vote is terrible. He's literally voting scar because Obzedat, immediately after stating that he wanted to vote Atog. The vote itself is obviously misguided, since Hawk is unlikely to be scum because Boros, but still. Terrible vote. And don't even get my started on Hunt's.
Nvm Rhand your recent post covers this.
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I feel like there's probably one scum in my guild somewhere. With Hunt's recent post, it's more likely him than Atog for me.
I feel like we need to examine the Sepriel kill as well. It really doesn't make sense, but that could be WIFOM. Ob COULD be scum by Rhand's logic, but let's see if we can catch the one likely in Gruul first.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
ehhh after looking at the way taredas attacked scarbo I think it could have been a bus. Scarbo also seemed legitimate to me when he thought he was dead.
Huntzilla + Obzedat or Axelrod is where I am at now.
If Obzedat is scum, there might be another one still.
For all I care, Zindabad can finish off Huntzilla and then we continue the Day.
Or Obzedat if Sepiriel doesn't flip soon.
@KillJoy: if Sepiriel doesn't know, we HAVE to lynch Obzedat. His extra vote is weak in town hands but superstrong in scum hands. We have an extra kill again with Zind it seems, so we don't lose a lynch when we do.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm working on a cruise again and bad wifi is the main reason for inactivity.
Shouldn't be too much of a problem in this late game stage though. I can remain fairly active but won't be able to do thorough rereads.
If DCIII were scum why did he vote Taredas out of Obzedat?
I think we need to look at zindabad. Ever since he day-killed Seppel he's done practically nothing. He hasn't even voted anyone. I cleared him on his ability alone, but think about it. If there are two scum left, they'd need I think three mislynches to win at this point. That seems like a tall order without some other method to get kills through.
Zinda, I don't recall if you answered this already, but was your ability one-shot?
@Scarbo: we would all assume Ozbedat scum if he didn't vote Taredas out. he had no choice either way.
You were very adamant about lynching him earlier. What changed your mind?
Oh and scum had an extra kill in ZDS. Don't you think that + Zindabad is a little over the top?
I don't know about zinda's ability. It may not be a true daykill since it looks like it basically forces all remaining Gruul onto his target, which actually seems kind of anti-town, hijacking fellow guild votes I mean. If it's a one-shot, I definitely think that's compatible with ZDS's extra kill.
I don't think Obzedat is scum. That just doesn't make sense. Sepi's town, so what happens when Obzedat is lynched? If Obzedat is scum, it seems like that would mean Sepi is scum now, but Seppel and Cythare got kicked out as town. Or maybe they just 'revert' back to town after being dismissed from Obzedat? If ANYTHING, DCIII could be scum, but we can't vote for DCIII I don't think. Someone tried, right?
Guys please do not vote Obzedat, there is reason to believe Axel is the last scum, i will talk more about this later as im about to go out.
Whenever an Orzhov dies he/she joins the Council, the Council is then able to vote members 'Out' (thereby having their alignments revealed), Cyth and Seppel both voted themselves out, this explains why DCIII stated yesterday that if he was revealed we should assume that any dead Orzhov should be scum.
According to DCIII this mechanic is the reason why there MUST be two scum in Orzhov, he thinks its Axel.
DCIII's Lynch recommendation: Scarbo.
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At this point in time whichever you guys believe to be scum between axel and I, one thing is for sure, unless Taredas votes himself and reveals himself as town we have to assume he is scum, by extension you should NOT lynch Orzhov until we can ensure the remaining scum is found, for a simple reason, if we mislynch town we are loosing one vote, but if we lynch scum they will remove DCIII and control the vote thereby ensuring the scum maintains a vote until end game, we also then lose DCIII's input from the game.
Oh, to answer your question, Rhand, I lost interest in lynching Obzedat when we saw Cythare's flip. I didn't think we'd get to see Orzhov flips until Obzedat was gone.
I don't disagree that I've been kind of useless. The Vishamon catch seemed good and he offered little to no defense...he got lynched with barely a whimper as town, and that's where I feel we are now. The game is full of Vishamons - people whose town status is neutral-to-questionable and who have contributed little, and I think it's fair to include me in that category.
Knowing that I am town, I feel it very unlikely that there is no scum in my guild, which leaves Atog and Huntzilla. I hated Atog's claim and his wagon just sort of evaporated on D1 in favor of town Cythare - the only reason I wasn't into him then was because of AE's cliffpush-looking vote. Speaking of AE, there's someone who has done literally nothing since being "confirmed" by ZDS's death on D2. His interactions with ZDS are terrible and I'm coming back around to the possibility of him being scum.
I guess I'll have to do some analysis at some point because to be honest I can't remember the content of most D4/D5 posts.
Wow so as long as we have sufficient Gruul, you essentially have multiple day kills. I'm going to hazard a guess that you can't use more than one per day.
huntzilla you're aware you just hammered me, right?
I counted a few times, and I knew it was NOT the hammer Scarbo. AE was using a bit of fearmongering in his post that made it sound like it was the hammer...
That all said, I am now ready to Unvote
Reading Rhand's Post #1808 makes me FULLY believe there is scum in Simic. It happens to be Rhand.
Look at how quickly Rhand and Killjoy were ready to jump on the Huntzilla wagon once they thought they had a good reason. It feels very much like they were waiting for any reason to do so... Why you might ask? Well because I called them out as one of the potential scum teams on my PoE list. I don't find it to be coincidence that they were right on top of trying to lynch me once they thought Scarbo might be behind the idea.
Zindabad said that earlier toDay Scarbo. Which is why he isn't on my possible scum list.
It's not really 'hijacking' votes as it doesn't end the Day.
It's more a Daykill that only works if he has enough guild members alive.
I really think we should use him to finish off Obzedat. Sepi didn't flip, so Obzedat might be scum.
The thing Sepi was onto is the whole reason why I think Axelrod and Obzedat are a dichotomy. Either Obzedat is lying scum or there has to be a second scum in Orzhov.
I agree that AE and Hawk have been kind of useless Zind. But I think it comes from the typical getting lazy when confirmed town thing rather than from scum lurking.
People of which I'm pretty sure they're town now are Zindabad, AE, Hawk and Scarbo.
Apart from the Orzhov dichotomy, the remaining scum should be in Huntzilla, KJ and Atog.
Huntzilla's relentless insistance of one scum per guild is worrysome. I think he's trying to get us to mislynch all Simic before moving to Gruul. He doesn't listen to the fact that RtR mafia didn't have scum in all guilds. And he isn't analysing Obzedat's role and the consequenses of it for the game setup because of that unbased assumption.
KJ's absence is also worrysome. He usually tries to figure out mechanics. There's a lot of that to figure out this game and his input on it is low.
Atog also hasn't been the towniest player this game.
2. I've seen all town wagons before. Who's the scum on Taredas's wagon? Or is 7 too few for a "great chance?"
3. yeah because you've somehow unfathomably not gotten lynched yet
But there's a few possible reasons.
* only 2 people were universally townread: me and Sepiriel. I posted in a signup thread somewhere that I am going on a cruise again and will be VL-A for a long time. They might have picked up on that and decided I am no threat toDay.
* if Scarbo is scum, killing me brings POE closer to him. So hence Sepiriel over me.
* If Obzedat is scum, giving us the Taredas flip steers us away from him. He needed Sepiriel dead to accomplish that (even if his claim is fake and he does it himself, he still needed Sepiriel dead to match his claim)
About Gruul scums: the idea of that clan having 2 or more scum is weird. We have already lost if that's the case.
Looking particularly bad is KJ because he's the 'I would vote him but want Scarbo dead first' guy. And Axelrod a little bit because of the soft interactions.
Atog looks not too good too: he was the early 'catch' but evolved to a townread. He seems like a dichotomy with Scarbo.
Taredas' pushes on Scarbo were kind of hardcore. Does anyone know if Taredas ever buses?
Who was responsible for the Night flavor Taredas received?
I want a full massclaim now. Somehow Atog escaped claiming and I want to know his role.
* Uh, I wasn't universally townreading Sep. But maybe I was the only one? Not universally townreading you either, for that matter, though you're certainly looking better than several other people right now. I would say both the Boros people were more cleared (well, at least 7Hawk), AND they actually have an ability that can still do something in this game. Killing a Simic person would similarly seem a no brainer to remove the threat of ability use.
* About that, given there are just the two of you left in the Simic group. What's your opinion? Like, from your position it's got to be either (1) He's scum, or (2) there's no scum in Simic. I could ask Scarbo the same thing, I suppose. If there's no scum in Simic, would it have been a good play for them to kill one of you two? I think it might have been. In fact, I think this may be what's going on with Orzhov now. See below.
* It's funny this is like the complete opposite of how I see it. If Obzedat is scum, killing Sepirial does almost nothing for the Mafia, and actually seems to hurt their position. It gives us the Taredas flip, which we weren't getting otherwise. It removed a non-power/non-cleared role from the game. People were already saying "there are probably multiple scum in Orzhov" because of this voting-out mechanic. This would just seem to make it more likely that people look at who is left - which is just me, and him. I note that more than one person this game day has suggested removing Obzedat for this very reason.
So from where I'm sitting, that is basically the main reason I could see for them going after Sep. In the hope that it would drive people towards Obzedat/myself via process of elimination. Obviously part of this comes from my more informed perspective that I'm not Mafia.
I'm going out of Town for the next 3 days. I will hopefully have some kind of Internet where I'm going. Back on Friday.
At first glance I disagreed with your lynching obzedat logic. This makes more sense.
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5 to lynch.
Obzedat has been thoroughly town. Scarbos actions don't really make sense.
I also strongly believe that there are 4 scum one in each guild.
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Rhand makes a lot more sense as he's generally a better analyst.
So who's left from each guild now?
The votes and Seperiel explanations have all been for the good of the town and we have flips to prove it.
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I'm okay with a Scarbo lynch.
But DCiii's claimed ability, as far as I understand it, makes no sense with only 1 Orzhov scum.
>hawk wants an Atog lynch and more time to think about it
>hawk sees Obzedat on scarbo (what's new?)
>hawk wants a scarbo lynch because Obzedat
I'm sheeping Hawk
vote.... Nah I won't end the day yet.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Gruul
Huntzilla
Atogaholic
Zindabad
Killjoy
Boros
Hawk
Archmage Eternal
Simic
Rhand
Scarbo
Orzhov
Axelrod
(Obzedat)
The other scenario that is possible is that Rhand has played us all and is scum. In this scenario it would make sense that Atog was his buddy, and Scarbo has been a frustrated townie trying to be heard this entire game. I could also see a scum team of KJ and Rhand left as well.
Obzedat has been literally SCREAMING from the dead that Scarbo be lynched. He has been voting him seemingly forever. I would be comfortable starting here with the PoE. Scarbo is definitely where I would put my money for scum at this time.
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good luck everyone
Just lynch me. It's going to happen eventually anyway, unless there's only one scum left, which is absurd, or at least unusually cruel on meg's part.
I can't imagine a guild cop will be useful, maybe point it at DCIII for *****s and giggles, rhand? it was probably stupid to claim in the first place anyway.
iso'd hawk's posts. pretty sure he's town.
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Tl;dr: I want to vote Scarbo so he can be lynched but he will flip town and when he does I will need another mislynch toMorrow so I must start turning on my biggest town read already so that I can vote him toMorrow.
i guess there is no scum in Simic.
vote Huntzilla
Also, Not a fan of Hawk and Hunt jumping on scar because Obzedat? Hawk, stop being terrible. Hunt, that's a terrible vote.
Rhand: Why are YOU ok with that? Scar's right, Hawk's vote is terrible. He's literally voting scar because Obzedat, immediately after stating that he wanted to vote Atog. The vote itself is obviously misguided, since Hawk is unlikely to be scum because Boros, but still. Terrible vote. And don't even get my started on Hunt's.
Nvm Rhand your recent post covers this.
Vote Hunt
I feel like there's probably one scum in my guild somewhere. With Hunt's recent post, it's more likely him than Atog for me.
I feel like we need to examine the Sepriel kill as well. It really doesn't make sense, but that could be WIFOM. Ob COULD be scum by Rhand's logic, but let's see if we can catch the one likely in Gruul first.
Honestly I haven't paid much attention to hunzilla this game. He's next on my list of people who's posts I have to to go through.
Rhand: I actually did claim near the end of D1. I don't have any abilities except for bloodrush.
If Obzedat is scum, there might be another one still.
For all I care, Zindabad can finish off Huntzilla and then we continue the Day.
Or Obzedat if Sepiriel doesn't flip soon.
@KillJoy: if Sepiriel doesn't know, we HAVE to lynch Obzedat. His extra vote is weak in town hands but superstrong in scum hands. We have an extra kill again with Zind it seems, so we don't lose a lynch when we do.
We can wait for Sepriel's response then.
I'm working on a cruise again and bad wifi is the main reason for inactivity.
Shouldn't be too much of a problem in this late game stage though. I can remain fairly active but won't be able to do thorough rereads.
I think we need to look at zindabad. Ever since he day-killed Seppel he's done practically nothing. He hasn't even voted anyone. I cleared him on his ability alone, but think about it. If there are two scum left, they'd need I think three mislynches to win at this point. That seems like a tall order without some other method to get kills through.
Zinda, I don't recall if you answered this already, but was your ability one-shot?
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You were very adamant about lynching him earlier. What changed your mind?
Oh and scum had an extra kill in ZDS. Don't you think that + Zindabad is a little over the top?
I'm not convinced, but he IS a dichotomy with Axelrod. And Obzedat is the safer lynch as he doesn't remove a townie from the lynch treshold if wrong.
I don't think Obzedat is scum. That just doesn't make sense. Sepi's town, so what happens when Obzedat is lynched? If Obzedat is scum, it seems like that would mean Sepi is scum now, but Seppel and Cythare got kicked out as town. Or maybe they just 'revert' back to town after being dismissed from Obzedat? If ANYTHING, DCIII could be scum, but we can't vote for DCIII I don't think. Someone tried, right?
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@mod: vote count please?
I'd actually rather lych scarbo or atog to clear that dichotomy.
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let's do this
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this situation is lame. Where is AE?
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You're saying it's impossible for us both to be town?
I don't disagree that I've been kind of useless. The Vishamon catch seemed good and he offered little to no defense...he got lynched with barely a whimper as town, and that's where I feel we are now. The game is full of Vishamons - people whose town status is neutral-to-questionable and who have contributed little, and I think it's fair to include me in that category.
Knowing that I am town, I feel it very unlikely that there is no scum in my guild, which leaves Atog and Huntzilla. I hated Atog's claim and his wagon just sort of evaporated on D1 in favor of town Cythare - the only reason I wasn't into him then was because of AE's cliffpush-looking vote. Speaking of AE, there's someone who has done literally nothing since being "confirmed" by ZDS's death on D2. His interactions with ZDS are terrible and I'm coming back around to the possibility of him being scum.
I guess I'll have to do some analysis at some point because to be honest I can't remember the content of most D4/D5 posts.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
You've cleared KJ?
I counted a few times, and I knew it was NOT the hammer Scarbo. AE was using a bit of fearmongering in his post that made it sound like it was the hammer...
That all said, I am now ready to
Unvote
Reading Rhand's Post #1808 makes me FULLY believe there is scum in Simic. It happens to be Rhand.
Look at how quickly Rhand and Killjoy were ready to jump on the Huntzilla wagon once they thought they had a good reason. It feels very much like they were waiting for any reason to do so... Why you might ask? Well because I called them out as one of the potential scum teams on my PoE list. I don't find it to be coincidence that they were right on top of trying to lynch me once they thought Scarbo might be behind the idea.
I feel more comfortable lynching Gruul right now.
Vote Killjoy
It's not really 'hijacking' votes as it doesn't end the Day.
It's more a Daykill that only works if he has enough guild members alive.
I really think we should use him to finish off Obzedat. Sepi didn't flip, so Obzedat might be scum.
The thing Sepi was onto is the whole reason why I think Axelrod and Obzedat are a dichotomy. Either Obzedat is lying scum or there has to be a second scum in Orzhov.
I agree that AE and Hawk have been kind of useless Zind. But I think it comes from the typical getting lazy when confirmed town thing rather than from scum lurking.
People of which I'm pretty sure they're town now are Zindabad, AE, Hawk and Scarbo.
Apart from the Orzhov dichotomy, the remaining scum should be in Huntzilla, KJ and Atog.
Huntzilla's relentless insistance of one scum per guild is worrysome. I think he's trying to get us to mislynch all Simic before moving to Gruul. He doesn't listen to the fact that RtR mafia didn't have scum in all guilds. And he isn't analysing Obzedat's role and the consequenses of it for the game setup because of that unbased assumption.
KJ's absence is also worrysome. He usually tries to figure out mechanics. There's a lot of that to figure out this game and his input on it is low.
Atog also hasn't been the towniest player this game.