Oh, I see you hid the answer. Not at all frightened are we seppel.
Ok, so you want a mass name claim because it can break the game for town to win. Is this a themed game?
What about the chances that a neutral or scum role might need to find a specific villager, helpful to town now is it?
Scum motivation. Please explain seppel.
I don't need to dispute it. It's your opinion of what I'm doing less than a hundred posts into a game. You have no idea where I'm going with my posts, you have an opinion of what you perceive them to be. And that opinion is garbage.
What were you looking for here, Az? I've never heard of a knowledge or meta claim. Something as simple as as how many games you've played in and your typical style?
I really don't like all of Seppel's repeated mod/pm gaming and the direct attempt at "obvtown" status. It seems he is more interested in gaming the game than he is in hunting for scumminess, and his reaction-baiting vote on Generic seems like a ploy to flare Generic's temper and push a mislynch on a known aggressive player.
Hunt is acting very self-aware and feels like he's TRYING rather than DOING, but both could simply be signs of inexperience as they feel more like the new kid trying to fit in than they do like he's trying to hide something. For instance, in post #95 Hunt asks for a Town cookie from Generic. It feels so... I dunno... is innocent the right word?
Rhand is all over the place. In the span of an hour his vote goes from Dechs in 49 to Hunt in 53, and then he's pushing on KJ in 57 leading to a vote on in post 106. All three targets in just over a day IRL.
Why is everyone so Seppel is baiting reactions? (Amusing anecdote: When reading that quesion in my head, I kept thinking "Seppel is bating. Reactions?" which I lol'd at.
Does this really bother nobody else?
The grammatical errors burn my retinas and prevent me from seeing anything in it.
I have Town-ish reads on Dechs, Generic, and Hunt.
I am okay with a Rhand or Seppel Lynch at this time.
Vote: Rhand as I am more confident in that read. Seppel is obviously up to something, though.
Why is everyone so Seppel is baiting reactions? (Amusing anecdote: When reading that quesion in my head, I kept thinking "Seppel is bating. Reactions?" which I lol'd at.
Does this really bother nobody else?
I hadn't paid it any concern ARhod, but I'm happy to have the conversation with you.
Why is everyone so Seppel is baiting reactions? (Amusing anecdote: When reading that quesion in my head, I kept thinking "Seppel is bating. Reactions?" which I lol'd at.
Does this really bother nobody else?
What about it bothers you? Also, why haven't you moved your vote since RVS?
Two things bother me about this post.
1. Killjoy has played with Seppel before, in Winterfell at least. I thought that Killjoy was in Majora's, too, but apparently wasn't. Regardless, this isn't a question that should even be being asked. Even if he is somehow unaware of Seppel's playstyle, it's been explained already this game.
2. I really don't like the anecdote. It elicits a chuckle, but it isn't a very townie thing to post. As someone who got burned a lot early in my mafia playing career for trying to work in random humor, it's very rarely town. This is because it's inherently a scummy tactic: it leaves the reader with a warm, amused feeling, regardless of the original intent / content of the post. If this was coming from one of the new players in the game, then I probably wouldn't have latched on to it as much as I have -- but I know Killjoy is not a new player. I regard this as a scumtell.
@Kami: when I don't miss RVS (which is pretty common since games tend to start on weekends, when I'm not around), I basically consider myself to not be voting unless my RVS develops a wagon, in which case I'll evaluate. I'm not currently willing to commit to a wagon, since I don't like this nascent Seppel wagon. Seppel vs Generic is town v town. I'm in firm IGMEOY status regarding Killjoy, though.
Finished catching up and then subsequently re-reading everything.
What were you looking for here, Az? I've never heard of a knowledge or meta claim. Something as simple as as how many games you've played in and your typical style?
More along the line of each players' impressions of the other players in the game.
The part I am asking about it the bolded part where you say "that's my job." It seems like an underhanded claim, stating that you are a fisherman or something. It came on the heels of Seppel asking massclaim. I was just interested in seeing if you actually were trying to slyly sneak in a job claim or not.
What's the point of calling him out on this and not just file it away for later?
@plowshares, elaborate on your town-ish read on Hunt.
I really don't like all of Seppel's repeated mod/pm gaming and the direct attempt at "obvtown" status. It seems he is more interested in gaming the game than he is in hunting for scumminess, and his reaction-baiting vote on Generic seems like a ploy to flare Generic's temper and push a mislynch on a known aggressive player.
Hunt is acting very self-aware and feels like he's TRYING rather than DOING, but both could simply be signs of inexperience as they feel more like the new kid trying to fit in than they do like he's trying to hide something. For instance, in post #95 Hunt asks for a Town cookie from Generic. It feels so... I dunno... is innocent the right word?
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I have Town-ish reads on Dechs, Generic, and Hunt.
I am okay with a Rhand or Seppel Lynch at this time.
Vote: Rhand as I am more confident in that read. Seppel is obviously up to something, though.
vote Plowshares
I need you to elaborate the difference between Hunt and Seppel who are both putting on airs in your view, but one comes across town and one looks like scum.
What were you looking for here, Az? I've never heard of a knowledge or meta claim. Something as simple as as how many games you've played in and your typical style?
I really don't like all of Seppel's repeated mod/pm gaming and the direct attempt at "obvtown" status. It seems he is more interested in gaming the game than he is in hunting for scumminess, and his reaction-baiting vote on Generic seems like a ploy to flare Generic's temper and push a mislynch on a known aggressive player.
Hunt is acting very self-aware and feels like he's TRYING rather than DOING, but both could simply be signs of inexperience as they feel more like the new kid trying to fit in than they do like he's trying to hide something. For instance, in post #95 Hunt asks for a Town cookie from Generic. It feels so... I dunno... is innocent the right word?
Rhand is all over the place. In the span of an hour his vote goes from Dechs in 49 to Hunt in 53, and then he's pushing on KJ in 57 leading to a vote on in post 106. All three targets in just over a day IRL.
Why is everyone so Seppel is baiting reactions? (Amusing anecdote: When reading that quesion in my head, I kept thinking "Seppel is bating. Reactions?" which I lol'd at.
Does this really bother nobody else?
The grammatical errors burn my retinas and prevent me from seeing anything in it.
I have Town-ish reads on Dechs, Generic, and Hunt.
I am okay with a Rhand or Seppel Lynch at this time.
Vote: Rhand as I am more confident in that read. Seppel is obviously up to something, though.
Unvote, vote Plowshares
You're not paying attention; calling my vote on Generic a reaction bait means you're just parroting things you don't understand. And you're living in the past.
The part I am asking about it the bolded part where you say "that's my job." It seems like an underhanded claim, stating that you are a fisherman or something. It came on the heels of Seppel asking massclaim. I was just interested in seeing if you actually were trying to slyly sneak in a job claim or not.
What's the point of calling him out on this and not just file it away for later?
@plowshares, elaborate on your town-ish read on Hunt.
I find it to be too sneaky to be a town action, and just not something I liked really. If it was some kind of subtle claim, then why was he stating earlier in the very same sentence that doing so did not help the TOWN. It was just fishy, and then he ducked it for a few more pages. I get that he might not have wanted me to call attention to it, but once I did, I wanted an answer, so he might as well have just answered quickly. Instead he made a defensive post stating he did not make a claim, and then made this post...
If I were making a subtle claim like that, the whole point would be to do it without drawing attention. Something that could be used to tell all my fellow townies something without alerting the mafia to it. The last thing I'd want, if I were to do something like that, is have some newbie jump up and down asking about it repeatedly.
Again just getting defensive, but still not ACTUALLY answering the question with a definitive NO. I guess the fact that Dechs himself said doing so would be scummy, and then proceeding to ignore all the way up to now, by not actually stating a solid NO statement just triggered me to think it was weird.
No one else seems to care, which leads me to believe I am barking up the wrong tree. But it still just set me off.
@CythareMod: Could you please list everyone who isn't voting, as well? Not only does it benefit the players, but it also benefits you, because you can just cut and paste names -- never any duplicates!
@Archmage:
You put that vote on me way back in RVS... DO you still feel it is justified? Why?
@Emo_pinata: I feel like you have been fairly quiet. What are your reads on the game at this time? One of the few games I read on the site was Iji Mafia... I have to say I agreed with your reads most of the way. Until the end there. But, C'est le vie....
@Kami: I feel like you have been pretty quiet too... What are your reads on the current game state?
@Plowshares: I like your content s far, thank you for finally coming to the thread. I can appreciate you thinking I sound self aware... I am trying to really find my groove here. My humor and start of the game was rubbing everyone the wrong way it seems, but I can't not keep up the questions and trying to move the town forward. All we have is chatter... endless banter...
You're not paying attention; calling my vote on Generic a reaction bait means you're just parroting things you don't understand. And you're living in the past.
Why would you vote someone for not paying attention? Don't scum usually pay more attention?
Arian: I think that's the first time I've seen IGMEOY described as "firm".
My thought process is similar to Az in that I think Seppel seems hitman-y.
Ehm I thought you thought he was scum?
Anti-town is scum.
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Rhand: I should also add something I thought I already made clear, but I looked back and never said it: When you asked me what I thought of his answer, that was the first time I looked at it. I was more concerned about what Seppel had at that moment.
Really? You ask someone a question and don't read the answer until poked to do so?
When I'm at work... yes. I don't have a lot of time to keep up completely, so I skim, then when asked for something specific I pay specific attention for that purpose.
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Two things bother me about this post.
1. Killjoy has played with Seppel before, in Winterfell at least. I thought that Killjoy was in Majora's, too, but apparently wasn't. Regardless, this isn't a question that should even be being asked. Even if he is somehow unaware of Seppel's playstyle, it's been explained already this game.
2. I really don't like the anecdote. It elicits a chuckle, but it isn't a very townie thing to post. As someone who got burned a lot early in my mafia playing career for trying to work in random humor, it's very rarely town. This is because it's inherently a scummy tactic: it leaves the reader with a warm, amused feeling, regardless of the original intent / content of the post. If this was coming from one of the new players in the game, then I probably wouldn't have latched on to it as much as I have -- but I know Killjoy is not a new player. I regard this as a scumtell.
First, I don't really remember much from Seppel in Winterfell. I do remember him in Wu Tang clan though. People seem to think that Seppel being up to something doesn't point to scumSeppel, but in WuTang he pretended to be Juliet D1. I gave him a pass on that that game. That's why I was so on top of Seppel so quick. Nameclaim does nothing to help the town, as I've said ad nauseum. It makes no sense for him to be pushing it.
As for your second thing, I'm not sure if you actually believe that and jsut have flawed logic, or are stretching and are scum. Obviously your flaw here is that I was intending to insert humor. Like I was like "You know what this post needs? A joke." No. It's a thought that popped into my head. I thought I'd share. The way you say that using humor is very rarely town based on something you apperently did as scum is especially troubling.
Now, an aside that may get my in trouble. I've been thinking about Seppel a bit. Ignoring what he's actually asking and looking at tone specifically. In WuTang, his posts were very contrived, and his little games were also. Like, it's obvious in retrospect. This game, he seems playful. Carefree. I feel like I'm getting myself caught up on something not as important as I'm making it out to be. If I ignore Seppel's weird nameclaim thing, then his tone seems a little more town to me. Unvote.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@ Seppel:
I do not know Iso, aside from a few of the games I read on this site and that he was a mod for Iji Mafia 2 that I read. Is that important somehow?
I need you to elaborate the difference between Hunt and Seppel who are both putting on airs in your view, but one comes across town and one looks like scum.
I don't think Hunt and Seppel are similar at all, emo, and I don't like how you misrepping me by grouping my reads together.
My Town-ish read on Hunt is in the feel of his posts. Yes, he is being very self-aware and he seems overly interested in how people think of him. But I read zero guile in them. Like I said before, it seems to me like he's more interested in making a good impression in his first game than trying to hide something.
Seppel is actively engaged in something that I find horribly unsportsmanlike (gaming the mod/game) and made a comment in post #47 about achieving "obvtown" status by of skirting the edge of Role PM Quoting. I don't think it would have achieved any such status, and would have come dangerously close to a mod kill.
You're not paying attention; calling my vote on Generic a reaction bait means you're just parroting things you don't understand. And you're living in the past.
Not paying attention? Really? At least I'm playing the game and not gaming the game. What am I not paying attention to?
Parroting things I don't understand? I'm smarter than you give me credit for. What other conclusion am I supposed to draw when you vote him with LITERALLY no reasoning in the post. The entire post was an unvote and new vote. What else could you have been doing?
Living in the past? I have no idea what you mean by this.
It's missing one word. How are you able to not form an opinion because one word is missing? Something about this feels off.
Because I don't know what word is missing or where. Also, you forgot the parenthesis on the end of the anecdote. If the question was "Why is everyone so SURE Seppel is baiting reaction?" then my answer is above. What else could he have been doing with a post that was merely an unvote and a vote?
@CythareMod: Could you please list everyone who isn't voting, as well? Not only does it benefit the players, but it also benefits you, because you can just cut and paste names -- never any duplicates!
@ Seppel:
I do not know Iso, aside from a few of the games I read on this site and that he was a mod for Iji Mafia 2 that I read. Is that important somehow?
You're not paying attention; calling my vote on Generic a reaction bait means you're just parroting things you don't understand. And you're living in the past.
Not paying attention? Really? At least I'm playing the game and not gaming the game. What am I not paying attention to?
Parroting things I don't understand? I'm smarter than you give me credit for. What other conclusion am I supposed to draw when you vote him with LITERALLY no reasoning in the post. The entire post was an unvote and new vote. What else could you have been doing?
Living in the past? I have no idea what you mean by this.
The naked vote on Generic was forever ago. So much has happened since then.
@ Seppel:
I do not know Iso, aside from a few of the games I read on this site and that he was a mod for Iji Mafia 2 that I read. Is that important somehow?
You're not paying attention; calling my vote on Generic a reaction bait means you're just parroting things you don't understand. And you're living in the past.
Not paying attention? Really? At least I'm playing the game and not gaming the game. What am I not paying attention to?
Parroting things I don't understand? I'm smarter than you give me credit for. What other conclusion am I supposed to draw when you vote him with LITERALLY no reasoning in the post. The entire post was an unvote and new vote. What else could you have been doing?
Living in the past? I have no idea what you mean by this.
The naked vote on Generic was forever ago. So much has happened since then.
I'm comfortable that you are deliberately misrepping me seppel. Because to be a liar I have to know what I'm saying isn't true, and all I e seen since you died on your arse trying to take me on is you look for opportunities to escape. I can't help that you exaggerate your ability to 'tear people apart'.
What else you got? You have tried to claim your ill thought out opinions of my play made me scum, failed to push that agenda and now are resorting to misrepresentation of my mindset. Bet you suck at poker too.
Poker is boring. So are you.
I've filed away that you're scum. There's nothing more to gain from talking to you. I'm not escaping; I'm being useful.
You called me scum for your claim im not scum hunting.
You claim im scum, and you have 'filed it away'. Do you often decide someone is scum and then move on without trying to get them lynched when town?
unvote, vote seppel
Continually trying to side step engaging me, refusal to maintain a push on me even though he is apparently certain I'm scum... This is the best wagon for toDay, anyone who disagrees can point to where he town seppel is in this. Because he few occasions I have seen seppel town he is very persistent in getting a scum read lynched, and the few occasions I have seen him as scum he tries to avoid pushes. This is scum seppel.
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I filed it away because I don't feel like it's possible to get you lynched D1.
I have to say I just think this is active townie going after active townie and I am not really happy to be lynching either one of you. Seppel's only downfall that I have noticed is his desire for the massclaim/nameclaim. And from what everyone has said, that is normal Seppel modgaming. I don't like it, but that does not mean that it's scummy.
As for Generic, the only knock against him is his aggro style. Again, from what people have said, this is normal for him as well. Again, not a warm and fuzzy style, but definitely does not mean scummy.
If we go down this 1 vs 1 road... I would love to hear what OTHERS have to say about each case
I have to say I just think this is active townie going after active townie and I am not really happy to be lynching either one of you. Seppel's only downfall that I have noticed is his desire for the massclaim/nameclaim. And from what everyone has said, that is normal Seppel modgaming. I don't like it, but that does not mean that it's scummy.
As for Generic, the only knock against him is his aggro style. Again, from what people have said, this is normal for him as well. Again, not a warm and fuzzy style, but definitely does not mean scummy.
If we go down this 1 vs 1 road... I would love to hear what OTHERS have to say about each case
I have to say I just think this is active townie going after active townie and I am not really happy to be lynching either one of you. Seppel's only downfall that I have noticed is his desire for the massclaim/nameclaim. And from what everyone has said, that is normal Seppel modgaming. I don't like it, but that does not mean that it's scummy.
As for Generic, the only knock against him is his aggro style. Again, from what people have said, this is normal for him as well. Again, not a warm and fuzzy style, but definitely does not mean scummy.
If we go down this 1 vs 1 road... I would love to hear what OTHERS have to say about each case
Hey, look, a scum post. Vote Huntzilla
I agree. He calls the back and fourth between headcase 1 and antagonizer 2 a town fight. Then sums it up that "if we go down this 1 vs 1 road" (meaning we lynch one) he wants to hear from others.
1- He's saying he's willing to lynch a townie.
2- He's calling out others so he can join a wagon and not be scrutinized for starting it.
3- I see this "OTHERS" as a flare to his scum mates to proceed here as Generic has giving them an in to start votes.
I'll shoot that grin right off your face. Just sayn'.
Vote Huntzilla
This was the first time you voted me Archmage. This was back in RVS. The cute little banter quoted in there between you and Az is definitely screaming scum team winking at one another. I have asked you repeatedly why you were still voting me, and you have NEVER answered. I am thinking it's because you are a lazy scum and just left your vote on me until you could get a bus rolling. Your points as to why I am scum from the one post are twisted at best. Plus, you didn't let your little scumbuddy Az answer for himself. I asked HIM why. Not you. Thank you for confirming what was already bothering me though. I appreciate you making this easier for me and the rest of my townies. I am not scared of starting a wagon. I just did.
VOTE ARCHMAGE ETERNAL
What I was saying in the post in question was that Generic was hellbent and determined to be lynching Seppel, and Seppel seemed ready to be going down that road as well. If others, as in the other townies like myself, had a case that I should hear, I wanted to hear it. But I am done with that logic now.
I definitely don't want to be lynching fellow blues. I am happy though that I can now target my top read.
I'll shoot that grin right off your face. Just sayn'.
Vote Huntzilla
This was the first time you voted me Archmage. This was back in RVS. The cute little banter quoted in there between you and Az is definitely screaming scum team winking at one another. I have asked you repeatedly why you were still voting me, and you have NEVER answered. I am thinking it's because you are a lazy scum and just left your vote on me until you could get a bus rolling. Your points as to why I am scum from the one post are twisted at best. Plus, you didn't let your little scumbuddy Az answer for himself. I asked HIM why. Not you. Thank you for confirming what was already bothering me though. I appreciate you making this easier for me and the rest of my townies. I am not scared of starting a wagon. I just did.
VOTE ARCHMAGE ETERNAL
What I was saying in the post in question was that Generic was hellbent and determined to be lynching Seppel, and Seppel seemed ready to be going down that road as well. If others, as in the other townies like myself, had a case that I should hear, I wanted to hear it. But I am done with that logic now.
I definitely don't want to be lynching fellow blues. I am happy though that I can now target my top read.
You noticed that banter huh? Yea I had to coach him up there being a rookie and all.
I left my vote on you because I had no need to move it. Now that you've slipped up there's no reason for me to unvote. Explain how my points are twisted.
Now onto you second part. See that's where your tripping over yourself. Your pushing for others (yea I noticed you have to keep mentioning your a townie) to make a case as to lynching one of your two townies. You should be stepping in and persuading others to ignore them and put their eyes onto someone else.
You noticed that banter huh? Yea I had to coach him up there being a rookie and all.
I left my vote on you because I had no need to move it. Now that you've slipped up there's no reason for me to unvote. Explain how my points are twisted.
Now onto you second part. See that's where your tripping over yourself. Your pushing for others (yea I noticed you have to keep mentioning your a townie) to make a case as to lynching one of your two townies. You should be stepping in and persuading others to ignore them and put their eyes onto someone else.
You seem awful concerned about me being a rookie. Which is exactly what I expected you to be praying on as scum. Calling me out as the new guy only paints you as the bad guy. Not me. We have established I am the new guy on the block and people have been trying to read me one way or the other all of toDay, but all you did was hear I was new, plant your vote, and then jump on the bandwagon of your little scumbuddy Az as soon as opportunity presented itself for your vote on the noob to be "viable." Still waiting on Az to answer as to why he did what he did.
Your votes are twisted for the reasons I already expressed. I thought Seppel vs. Generic was a dumb idea, but if I had missed something I needed someone to explain to me what that was. I did not want it to be Seppel or Generic since they were already heated at one another and the case would be skewed with their dislike of one another. Generic was/is? stuck on lynching Seppel as it is his top read, not to mention Seppel has the largest bus developed. I figured one of them could let me know as to why Seppel was scum, aside from his modgaming tendencies. Generic is super aggro but one of my definite town reads at this time. I am not happy voting for either one, but it seemed to be where this day was going.... Well, until you decided to put the focus back another direction. I do see your point now that I shouldn't have given into letting the 1 vs 1 happen, however, that was really my being new stupidity. I assure you, I am town. Blue through and through. You on the other hand have seriously painted yourself a different color. The only person I am pushing for is you. If I were pushing for one of the two in the previous feud, I would have voted! But I didn't, I wanted to actually hear some others contribute to toDay.
And I am glad you did. Because you look awful now.
There's a lot going on this game and I have not participated nearly enough around here. I want to apologize for that.
That said, I have not seen anything that makes me want to move my vote. Hunt pulled a stunt, but I just see it as a newbie thing. Az is too quiet, that's unlike what I know of him.
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I agree. He calls the back and fourth between headcase 1 and antagonizer 2 a town fight. Then sums it up that "if we go down this 1 vs 1 road" (meaning we lynch one) he wants to hear from others.
1- He's saying he's willing to lynch a townie.
2- He's calling out others so he can join a wagon and not be scrutinized for starting it.
3- I see this "OTHERS" as a flare to his scum mates to proceed here as Generic has giving them an in to start votes.
Lets put the pressure here guys.
My AE is all grown up now!! *tear rolls down cheek*
I agree. He calls the back and fourth between headcase 1 and antagonizer 2 a town fight. Then sums it up that "if we go down this 1 vs 1 road" (meaning we lynch one) he wants to hear from others.
1- He's saying he's willing to lynch a townie.
2- He's calling out others so he can join a wagon and not be scrutinized for starting it.
3- I see this "OTHERS" as a flare to his scum mates to proceed here as Generic has giving them an in to start votes.
Lets put the pressure here guys.
My AE is all grown up now!! *tear rolls down cheek*
I am floating because nothing has caught my interest besides you. And I always like to focus on votes on me, it's only you robotic about how to react to votes.
But you carey on, I'm not overly bothered about being run up in this. Your current case on me is im not scum hunting in your opinion. Yet you have basically pushed for a massclaim on a shoddy premise built on a faulty reason to prove town.
Score one for the idiocy. Either that or you are deliberately wasting posts on stupid ideas to appear active. Which is what you are accusing me of... You are doing so well seppel, well done.
Again, everything is about me. He clearly showed he wasn't paying attention. And he makes his push on me only after I commented about people being too cagey or nice around me. Suddenly he drops a vote. So it's either sloppy or tactical based on my assumption.
And what does being unphased have to do with being nice? You haven't just ***** footed around me, you engaged me head on. And you still are. But feel free to hand the cookie back, I couldn't give a **** if you are happy with me putting you in my town like for now or not. I'm scum hunting, not point scoring, I was just checking you off the list and putting a full stop on my end of our interaction. You want to carry on? Go for it, I'm not shy.
I knew what you would do seppel. Just like your brother does.
"See, that's a scum comment"
"He's reacted to my post like scum"
I have no need to stop posting ammo for you though because you won't get me lynched. And I love it when that happens. So you keep on trying and I will keep on scrutinising your motives til im sure one way or another. Cos you can be ***** town, I've seen it first hand at least twice.
But what would you like ME to deflect now? Your claim im not scumhunting and am being aimless when my pressure on Huntzilla gave me a town vibe, same with kami, and now my back and forth with you is forcing you to stay in the limelight. No hiding toDay sweet cheeks.
But enouth about me and you, let's talk about you. Still wanting the massclaim?
This dude is town.
So, me, Seppel, Generic, town, Huntzilla scum. 4 down, 8 to go.
This was the first time you voted me Archmage. This was back in RVS. The cute little banter quoted in there between you and Az is definitely screaming scum team winking at one another. I have asked you repeatedly why you were still voting me, and you have NEVER answered. I am thinking it's because you are a lazy scum and just left your vote on me until you could get a bus rolling. Your points as to why I am scum from the one post are twisted at best. Plus, you didn't let your little scumbuddy Az answer for himself. I asked HIM why. Not you. Thank you for confirming what was already bothering me though. I appreciate you making this easier for me and the rest of my townies. I am not scared of starting a wagon. I just did.
VOTE ARCHMAGE ETERNAL
What I was saying in the post in question was that Generic was hellbent and determined to be lynching Seppel, and Seppel seemed ready to be going down that road as well. If others, as in the other townies like myself, had a case that I should hear, I wanted to hear it. But I am done with that logic now.
I definitely don't want to be lynching fellow blues. I am happy though that I can now target my top read.
Tons of things wrong in this post, as well. 10 Az Points™ for whoever can spot 'em.
Tons of things wrong in this post, as well. 10 Az Points™ for whoever can spot 'em.
You can't point out your own ideas? Waiting for your scumbuddy Archmage to answer for you again?
You still didn't answer for why you voted me in the first place.
Go back to doing your lurking... You were better at that.
I mean you town clear Generic... After I state he is my biggest town read. So you agree with me, but I am scum.
You auto clear Seppel with no reasons. I am guessing so that you can clear their beef from the air to try and keep the heat focused on me?
Along with yourself apparently. (good luck with that... it isn't looking great for you either.)
Declare me scum... Still without any reasons.
And then crawl back in your dark scum corner.
This is getting silly. Someone else please hop on and add to the conversation. I am actively fighting back. And these two just keep saying "You are scum..."
I ask why... they either don't say... or answer simply with "reasons." But don't say what they are.
I have been trying to move the town forward getting people involved in the discussion. Az has done nothing of the sort. Neither has Archmage. They have been lurking since day one, trying to vote me simply because I am a fresh player. Archmage is even vocal about that fact. Az, well, is probably just mad that I called him out too. But they are acting the most scummy. By far.
emo_pinata has been quiet, but like I posted before, I generally like his content. His insights are usually pretty close to mine.
rhand has been quiet. He was justly critical of me at the start, but then came around and has been gone since.
I don't fully trust killjoy. but I think that may be a lingering feeling from reading Iji. He was really good scum in that game. So I am nervous to go one way or the other on him.
Plowshares has only posted a little. But I remember liking his analysis.
Same goes for Arianrhod.
Generic and Seppel are still both town for me. Generic more so, but both are still on the town spectrum for me.
Kamikaze has been non-existant this game. I am a little wary of this too. He's lower on my scale at this point.
Lastly, Dechs and I have had our moment. But I think we have come to a mutual agreement that we both are town. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but for me Dechs is on the town side of things.
And I know I'm town...
I am obviously comfortable with either an Archmage Eternal, or Azrael lynch today. Kami would be next on my list.
My thought process is similar to Az in that I think Seppel seems hitman-y.
Ehm I thought you thought he was scum?
Anti-town is scum.
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Rhand: I should also add something I thought I already made clear, but I looked back and never said it: When you asked me what I thought of his answer, that was the first time I looked at it. I was more concerned about what Seppel had at that moment.
Really? You ask someone a question and don't read the answer until poked to do so?
When I'm at work... yes. I don't have a lot of time to keep up completely, so I skim, then when asked for something specific I pay specific attention for that purpose.
Hm. When I am busy and have multiple things to answer, I tend not to post at all until I have time to do it all.
I can't really judge you on your oog issues, but I'm not happy with this answer.
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Now, an aside that may get my in trouble. I've been thinking about Seppel a bit. Ignoring what he's actually asking and looking at tone specifically. In WuTang, his posts were very contrived, and his little games were also. Like, it's obvious in retrospect. This game, he seems playful. Carefree. I feel like I'm getting myself caught up on something not as important as I'm making it out to be. If I ignore Seppel's weird nameclaim thing, then his tone seems a little more town to me. Unvote.
I'll take the bait. Do you think tone is more important than behavior?
I have to say I just think this is active townie going after active townie and I am not really happy to be lynching either one of you. Seppel's only downfall that I have noticed is his desire for the massclaim/nameclaim. And from what everyone has said, that is normal Seppel modgaming. I don't like it, but that does not mean that it's scummy.
As for Generic, the only knock against him is his aggro style. Again, from what people have said, this is normal for him as well. Again, not a warm and fuzzy style, but definitely does not mean scummy.
If we go down this 1 vs 1 road... I would love to hear what OTHERS have to say about each case
Hey, look, a scum post. Vote Huntzilla
I don't agree: this post makes Huntzilla very likely scum if Seppel is scum, but without Seppel's flip this post says nothing.
I have to say I just think this is active townie going after active townie and I am not really happy to be lynching either one of you. Seppel's only downfall that I have noticed is his desire for the massclaim/nameclaim. And from what everyone has said, that is normal Seppel modgaming. I don't like it, but that does not mean that it's scummy.
As for Generic, the only knock against him is his aggro style. Again, from what people have said, this is normal for him as well. Again, not a warm and fuzzy style, but definitely does not mean scummy.
If we go down this 1 vs 1 road... I would love to hear what OTHERS have to say about each case
Hey, look, a scum post. Vote Huntzilla
I agree. He calls the back and fourth between headcase 1 and antagonizer 2 a town fight. Then sums it up that "if we go down this 1 vs 1 road" (meaning we lynch one) he wants to hear from others.
1- He's saying he's willing to lynch a townie.
2- He's calling out others so he can join a wagon and not be scrutinized for starting it.
3- I see this "OTHERS" as a flare to his scum mates to proceed here as Generic has giving them an in to start votes.
Lets put the pressure here guys.
Wow, this is a huge stretch. I don't see him saying that he's willing to lynch Seppel or Generic. If anything, he wants us to consider not to lynch them and make our own cases in case we do instead of blindly following Generic / Seppel in theirs.
I don't see a plan to hop on one of the wagons in this post. What I see is him making sure no one does so just because Generic / Seppel ask for it.
Point 3 is therefor extremely far-fetched.
I agree. He calls the back and fourth between headcase 1 and antagonizer 2 a town fight. Then sums it up that "if we go down this 1 vs 1 road" (meaning we lynch one) he wants to hear from others.
1- He's saying he's willing to lynch a townie.
2- He's calling out others so he can join a wagon and not be scrutinized for starting it.
3- I see this "OTHERS" as a flare to his scum mates to proceed here as Generic has giving them an in to start votes.
Lets put the pressure here guys.
My AE is all grown up now!! *tear rolls down cheek*
And then Azrael comes in and compliments AE on his case full of stretch. I don't think they're buddies as this would be too obvious. I lean towards AE being misguided town and Azrael buddying scum. But the other way around also makes sense.
This was the first time you voted me Archmage. This was back in RVS. The cute little banter quoted in there between you and Az is definitely screaming scum team winking at one another. I have asked you repeatedly why you were still voting me, and you have NEVER answered. I am thinking it's because you are a lazy scum and just left your vote on me until you could get a bus rolling. Your points as to why I am scum from the one post are twisted at best. Plus, you didn't let your little scumbuddy Az answer for himself. I asked HIM why. Not you. Thank you for confirming what was already bothering me though. I appreciate you making this easier for me and the rest of my townies. I am not scared of starting a wagon. I just did.
VOTE ARCHMAGE ETERNAL
What I was saying in the post in question was that Generic was hellbent and determined to be lynching Seppel, and Seppel seemed ready to be going down that road as well. If others, as in the other townies like myself, had a case that I should hear, I wanted to hear it. But I am done with that logic now.
I definitely don't want to be lynching fellow blues. I am happy though that I can now target my top read.
Tons of things wrong in this post, as well. 10 Az Points™ for whoever can spot 'em.
Yeh it's full of newbishness.
Let's try this: imagine Hunt is indeed town and gets attacked by you and AE. Look at your posts and AE's posts from the eyes of a new town player and tell me that you wouldn't think that the two of you are buddies. I think new!town!Rhand from 2 years ago would've made an exact same post.
Hm. When I am busy and have multiple things to answer, I tend not to post at all until I have time to do it all.
I can't really judge you on your oog issues, but I'm not happy with this answer.
I'm not sure there's an answer you would have been happy with.
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Now, an aside that may get my in trouble. I've been thinking about Seppel a bit. Ignoring what he's actually asking and looking at tone specifically. In WuTang, his posts were very contrived, and his little games were also. Like, it's obvious in retrospect. This game, he seems playful. Carefree. I feel like I'm getting myself caught up on something not as important as I'm making it out to be. If I ignore Seppel's weird nameclaim thing, then his tone seems a little more town to me. Unvote.
I'll take the bait. Do you think tone is more important than behavior?
In Seppel's case, yes. Seppel can have weird behavior sometimes for weird reasons, but the tone behind it is hard to fake. I distinctly remmeber being uneasy about his Juliet thing. But this... yes, behaviorally it's odd, but the tone behind it seems aloof. I don't think scumSeppel would be able to pull that off so well.
And then Azrael comes in and compliments AE on his case full of stretch. I don't think they're buddies as this would be too obvious. I lean towards AE being misguided town and Azrael buddying scum. But the other way around also makes sense.
I wouldn't put anything past Az. In CrossTown 3, the entire scum team basically bussed each other. It was insane. I actually dislike both AE and Az right now. Az I remember being a lot more vocal, AE I don't remember his play very well but his posts here give me weird feelings.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Breezy isn't my scum-style. Not caring/posting is my scum-style. Vote me for the right reasons!
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Wow, this is a huge stretch. I don't see him saying that he's willing to lynch Seppel or Generic. If anything, he wants us to consider not to lynch them and make our own cases in case we do instead of blindly following Generic / Seppel in theirs.
I don't see a plan to hop on one of the wagons in this post. What I see is him making sure no one does so just because Generic / Seppel ask for it.
Point 3 is therefor extremely far-fetched.
Thank you Rhand. This was exactly what I have been trying to get across.
What the heck is this? I just get done saying I thought we were done our beef, and you go right back to it? Can you at least explain yourself instead of just voting blindly?
And then Azrael comes in and compliments AE on his case full of stretch. I don't think they're buddies as this would be too obvious. I lean towards AE being misguided town and Azrael buddying scum. But the other way around also makes sense.
I wouldn't put anything past Az. In CrossTown 3, the entire scum team basically bussed each other. It was insane. I actually dislike both AE and Az right now. Az I remember being a lot more vocal, AE I don't remember his play very well but his posts here give me weird feelings.
I am glad several of us are seeing this. Az and AE are being fishy. Dechs apparently wants to be grouped in with them. AE is by FAR my top read.
I agree it is not great of Dechs to just vote without reasons like that. I still feel I need to stay on AE right now. But Dechs is helping make the case against himself....
I don't need to dispute it. It's your opinion of what I'm doing less than a hundred posts into a game. You have no idea where I'm going with my posts, you have an opinion of what you perceive them to be. And that opinion is garbage.
My plan involves the infamous Mya, Azzyrian Tracker.
What were you looking for here, Az? I've never heard of a knowledge or meta claim. Something as simple as as how many games you've played in and your typical style?
I really don't like all of Seppel's repeated mod/pm gaming and the direct attempt at "obvtown" status. It seems he is more interested in gaming the game than he is in hunting for scumminess, and his reaction-baiting vote on Generic seems like a ploy to flare Generic's temper and push a mislynch on a known aggressive player.
Hunt is acting very self-aware and feels like he's TRYING rather than DOING, but both could simply be signs of inexperience as they feel more like the new kid trying to fit in than they do like he's trying to hide something. For instance, in post #95 Hunt asks for a Town cookie from Generic. It feels so... I dunno... is innocent the right word?
Rhand is all over the place. In the span of an hour his vote goes from Dechs in 49 to Hunt in 53, and then he's pushing on KJ in 57 leading to a vote on in post 106. All three targets in just over a day IRL.
The grammatical errors burn my retinas and prevent me from seeing anything in it.
I have Town-ish reads on Dechs, Generic, and Hunt.
I am okay with a Rhand or Seppel Lynch at this time.
Vote: Rhand as I am more confident in that read. Seppel is obviously up to something, though.
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Two things bother me about this post.
1. Killjoy has played with Seppel before, in Winterfell at least. I thought that Killjoy was in Majora's, too, but apparently wasn't. Regardless, this isn't a question that should even be being asked. Even if he is somehow unaware of Seppel's playstyle, it's been explained already this game.
2. I really don't like the anecdote. It elicits a chuckle, but it isn't a very townie thing to post. As someone who got burned a lot early in my mafia playing career for trying to work in random humor, it's very rarely town. This is because it's inherently a scummy tactic: it leaves the reader with a warm, amused feeling, regardless of the original intent / content of the post. If this was coming from one of the new players in the game, then I probably wouldn't have latched on to it as much as I have -- but I know Killjoy is not a new player. I regard this as a scumtell.
@Kami: when I don't miss RVS (which is pretty common since games tend to start on weekends, when I'm not around), I basically consider myself to not be voting unless my RVS develops a wagon, in which case I'll evaluate. I'm not currently willing to commit to a wagon, since I don't like this nascent Seppel wagon. Seppel vs Generic is town v town. I'm in firm IGMEOY status regarding Killjoy, though.
More along the line of each players' impressions of the other players in the game.
That Seppel is irrefutably town, and we're lucky he's still alive.
What's the point of calling him out on this and not just file it away for later?
@plowshares, elaborate on your town-ish read on Hunt.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I need you to elaborate the difference between Hunt and Seppel who are both putting on airs in your view, but one comes across town and one looks like scum.
Unvote, vote Plowshares
You're not paying attention; calling my vote on Generic a reaction bait means you're just parroting things you don't understand. And you're living in the past.
I find it to be too sneaky to be a town action, and just not something I liked really. If it was some kind of subtle claim, then why was he stating earlier in the very same sentence that doing so did not help the TOWN. It was just fishy, and then he ducked it for a few more pages. I get that he might not have wanted me to call attention to it, but once I did, I wanted an answer, so he might as well have just answered quickly. Instead he made a defensive post stating he did not make a claim, and then made this post...
Again just getting defensive, but still not ACTUALLY answering the question with a definitive NO. I guess the fact that Dechs himself said doing so would be scummy, and then proceeding to ignore all the way up to now, by not actually stating a solid NO statement just triggered me to think it was weird.
No one else seems to care, which leads me to believe I am barking up the wrong tree. But it still just set me off.
Is this vote count correct? Namely, does Rhand actually get two votes?
Thank you?
I'm Ron Burgundy?
And we can't edit... So there it sits...
You put that vote on me way back in RVS... DO you still feel it is justified? Why?
@Emo_pinata: I feel like you have been fairly quiet. What are your reads on the game at this time? One of the few games I read on the site was Iji Mafia... I have to say I agreed with your reads most of the way. Until the end there. But, C'est le vie....
@Kami: I feel like you have been pretty quiet too... What are your reads on the current game state?
@Plowshares: I like your content s far, thank you for finally coming to the thread. I can appreciate you thinking I sound self aware... I am trying to really find my groove here. My humor and start of the game was rubbing everyone the wrong way it seems, but I can't not keep up the questions and trying to move the town forward. All we have is chatter... endless banter...
Arian: I think that's the first time I've seen IGMEOY described as "firm".
Azrael: Why are we lucky that he's still alive?
@HUNTzilla: Are you a friend of Iso?
When I'm at work... yes. I don't have a lot of time to keep up completely, so I skim, then when asked for something specific I pay specific attention for that purpose.Ehhhh I don't like this,
It's missing one word. How are you able to not form an opinion because one word is missing? Something about this feels off.First, I don't really remember much from Seppel in Winterfell. I do remember him in Wu Tang clan though. People seem to think that Seppel being up to something doesn't point to scumSeppel, but in WuTang he pretended to be Juliet D1. I gave him a pass on that that game. That's why I was so on top of Seppel so quick. Nameclaim does nothing to help the town, as I've said ad nauseum. It makes no sense for him to be pushing it.
As for your second thing, I'm not sure if you actually believe that and jsut have flawed logic, or are stretching and are scum. Obviously your flaw here is that I was intending to insert humor. Like I was like "You know what this post needs? A joke." No. It's a thought that popped into my head. I thought I'd share. The way you say that using humor is very rarely town based on something you apperently did as scum is especially troubling.
Now, an aside that may get my in trouble. I've been thinking about Seppel a bit. Ignoring what he's actually asking and looking at tone specifically. In WuTang, his posts were very contrived, and his little games were also. Like, it's obvious in retrospect. This game, he seems playful. Carefree. I feel like I'm getting myself caught up on something not as important as I'm making it out to be. If I ignore Seppel's weird nameclaim thing, then his tone seems a little more town to me.
Unvote.
I do not know Iso, aside from a few of the games I read on this site and that he was a mod for Iji Mafia 2 that I read. Is that important somehow?
What do you hope to accomplish with this method of investigation?
See below.
I don't think Hunt and Seppel are similar at all, emo, and I don't like how you misrepping me by grouping my reads together.
My Town-ish read on Hunt is in the feel of his posts. Yes, he is being very self-aware and he seems overly interested in how people think of him. But I read zero guile in them. Like I said before, it seems to me like he's more interested in making a good impression in his first game than trying to hide something.
Seppel is actively engaged in something that I find horribly unsportsmanlike (gaming the mod/game) and made a comment in post #47 about achieving "obvtown" status by of skirting the edge of Role PM Quoting. I don't think it would have achieved any such status, and would have come dangerously close to a mod kill.
Not paying attention? Really? At least I'm playing the game and not gaming the game. What am I not paying attention to?
Parroting things I don't understand? I'm smarter than you give me credit for. What other conclusion am I supposed to draw when you vote him with LITERALLY no reasoning in the post. The entire post was an unvote and new vote. What else could you have been doing?
Living in the past? I have no idea what you mean by this.
Because I don't know what word is missing or where. Also, you forgot the parenthesis on the end of the anecdote. If the question was "Why is everyone so SURE Seppel is baiting reaction?" then my answer is above. What else could he have been doing with a post that was merely an unvote and a vote?
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No I haven't. Are you comfortable with being a liar?Nope. Just a coincidence, then.The naked vote on Generic was forever ago. So much has happened since then.
I've filed away that you're scum. There's nothing more to gain from talking to you. I'm not escaping; I'm being useful.
Seppel (3) - Dechs Kaison (35), Azrael (42), Generic (158)
Plowshares (2) - emo_pinata (137), Seppel (138)
Generic (1) - Arianrhod (9)
Huntzilla (1) - Archmage Eternal (19)
Killjoy (1) - Rhand (106)
Rhand (1) - Plowshares (129)
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I filed it away because I don't feel like it's possible to get you lynched D1.
But hey if it's possible let's go for it.
I'll hop back on if there's at least two other votes.
As for Generic, the only knock against him is his aggro style. Again, from what people have said, this is normal for him as well. Again, not a warm and fuzzy style, but definitely does not mean scummy.
If we go down this 1 vs 1 road... I would love to hear what OTHERS have to say about each case
Hey, look, a scum post. Vote Huntzilla
I agree. He calls the back and fourth between headcase 1 and antagonizer 2 a town fight. Then sums it up that "if we go down this 1 vs 1 road" (meaning we lynch one) he wants to hear from others.
1- He's saying he's willing to lynch a townie.
2- He's calling out others so he can join a wagon and not be scrutinized for starting it.
3- I see this "OTHERS" as a flare to his scum mates to proceed here as Generic has giving them an in to start votes.
Lets put the pressure here guys.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
This was the first time you voted me Archmage. This was back in RVS. The cute little banter quoted in there between you and Az is definitely screaming scum team winking at one another. I have asked you repeatedly why you were still voting me, and you have NEVER answered. I am thinking it's because you are a lazy scum and just left your vote on me until you could get a bus rolling. Your points as to why I am scum from the one post are twisted at best. Plus, you didn't let your little scumbuddy Az answer for himself. I asked HIM why. Not you. Thank you for confirming what was already bothering me though. I appreciate you making this easier for me and the rest of my townies. I am not scared of starting a wagon. I just did.
VOTE ARCHMAGE ETERNAL
What I was saying in the post in question was that Generic was hellbent and determined to be lynching Seppel, and Seppel seemed ready to be going down that road as well. If others, as in the other townies like myself, had a case that I should hear, I wanted to hear it. But I am done with that logic now.
I definitely don't want to be lynching fellow blues. I am happy though that I can now target my top read.
You noticed that banter huh? Yea I had to coach him up there being a rookie and all.
I left my vote on you because I had no need to move it. Now that you've slipped up there's no reason for me to unvote. Explain how my points are twisted.
Now onto you second part. See that's where your tripping over yourself. Your pushing for others (yea I noticed you have to keep mentioning your a townie) to make a case as to lynching one of your two townies. You should be stepping in and persuading others to ignore them and put their eyes onto someone else.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
You seem awful concerned about me being a rookie. Which is exactly what I expected you to be praying on as scum. Calling me out as the new guy only paints you as the bad guy. Not me. We have established I am the new guy on the block and people have been trying to read me one way or the other all of toDay, but all you did was hear I was new, plant your vote, and then jump on the bandwagon of your little scumbuddy Az as soon as opportunity presented itself for your vote on the noob to be "viable." Still waiting on Az to answer as to why he did what he did.
Your votes are twisted for the reasons I already expressed. I thought Seppel vs. Generic was a dumb idea, but if I had missed something I needed someone to explain to me what that was. I did not want it to be Seppel or Generic since they were already heated at one another and the case would be skewed with their dislike of one another. Generic was/is? stuck on lynching Seppel as it is his top read, not to mention Seppel has the largest bus developed. I figured one of them could let me know as to why Seppel was scum, aside from his modgaming tendencies. Generic is super aggro but one of my definite town reads at this time. I am not happy voting for either one, but it seemed to be where this day was going.... Well, until you decided to put the focus back another direction. I do see your point now that I shouldn't have given into letting the 1 vs 1 happen, however, that was really my being new stupidity. I assure you, I am town. Blue through and through. You on the other hand have seriously painted yourself a different color. The only person I am pushing for is you. If I were pushing for one of the two in the previous feud, I would have voted! But I didn't, I wanted to actually hear some others contribute to toDay.
And I am glad you did. Because you look awful now.
That said, I have not seen anything that makes me want to move my vote. Hunt pulled a stunt, but I just see it as a newbie thing. Az is too quiet, that's unlike what I know of him.
Pristaxcontrombmodruu!
My AE is all grown up now!! *tear rolls down cheek*
And then THIS is all Az says...
Come on....
This dude is town.
So, me, Seppel, Generic, town, Huntzilla scum. 4 down, 8 to go.
*wink*
Tons of things wrong in this post, as well. 10 Az Points™ for whoever can spot 'em.
Thanks for confirming! Already knew this though....
You can't point out your own ideas? Waiting for your scumbuddy Archmage to answer for you again?
You still didn't answer for why you voted me in the first place.
Go back to doing your lurking... You were better at that.
I mean you town clear Generic... After I state he is my biggest town read. So you agree with me, but I am scum.
You auto clear Seppel with no reasons. I am guessing so that you can clear their beef from the air to try and keep the heat focused on me?
Along with yourself apparently. (good luck with that... it isn't looking great for you either.)
Declare me scum... Still without any reasons.
And then crawl back in your dark scum corner.
This is getting silly. Someone else please hop on and add to the conversation. I am actively fighting back. And these two just keep saying "You are scum..."
I ask why... they either don't say... or answer simply with "reasons." But don't say what they are.
I have been trying to move the town forward getting people involved in the discussion. Az has done nothing of the sort. Neither has Archmage. They have been lurking since day one, trying to vote me simply because I am a fresh player. Archmage is even vocal about that fact. Az, well, is probably just mad that I called him out too. But they are acting the most scummy. By far.
emo_pinata has been quiet, but like I posted before, I generally like his content. His insights are usually pretty close to mine.
rhand has been quiet. He was justly critical of me at the start, but then came around and has been gone since.
I don't fully trust killjoy. but I think that may be a lingering feeling from reading Iji. He was really good scum in that game. So I am nervous to go one way or the other on him.
Plowshares has only posted a little. But I remember liking his analysis.
Same goes for Arianrhod.
Generic and Seppel are still both town for me. Generic more so, but both are still on the town spectrum for me.
Kamikaze has been non-existant this game. I am a little wary of this too. He's lower on my scale at this point.
Lastly, Dechs and I have had our moment. But I think we have come to a mutual agreement that we both are town. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but for me Dechs is on the town side of things.
And I know I'm town...
I am obviously comfortable with either an Archmage Eternal, or Azrael lynch today. Kami would be next on my list.
Unvote, vote AE
I haven't liked any of AE's posts.
Pristaxcontrombmodruu!
Hm. When I am busy and have multiple things to answer, I tend not to post at all until I have time to do it all.
I can't really judge you on your oog issues, but I'm not happy with this answer.
I'll take the bait. Do you think tone is more important than behavior?
Finding scum ofc. I put my vote where my questioning is until I find someone that I am convinced is scum and then leave it there.
Do you want to get wagoned
I don't agree: this post makes Huntzilla very likely scum if Seppel is scum, but without Seppel's flip this post says nothing.
Wow, this is a huge stretch. I don't see him saying that he's willing to lynch Seppel or Generic. If anything, he wants us to consider not to lynch them and make our own cases in case we do instead of blindly following Generic / Seppel in theirs.
I don't see a plan to hop on one of the wagons in this post. What I see is him making sure no one does so just because Generic / Seppel ask for it.
Point 3 is therefor extremely far-fetched.
And then Azrael comes in and compliments AE on his case full of stretch. I don't think they're buddies as this would be too obvious. I lean towards AE being misguided town and Azrael buddying scum. But the other way around also makes sense.
Yeh it's full of newbishness.
Let's try this: imagine Hunt is indeed town and gets attacked by you and AE. Look at your posts and AE's posts from the eyes of a new town player and tell me that you wouldn't think that the two of you are buddies. I think new!town!Rhand from 2 years ago would've made an exact same post.
In Seppel's case, yes. Seppel can have weird behavior sometimes for weird reasons, but the tone behind it is hard to fake. I distinctly remmeber being uneasy about his Juliet thing. But this... yes, behaviorally it's odd, but the tone behind it seems aloof. I don't think scumSeppel would be able to pull that off so well.
I wouldn't put anything past Az. In CrossTown 3, the entire scum team basically bussed each other. It was insane. I actually dislike both AE and Az right now. Az I remember being a lot more vocal, AE I don't remember his play very well but his posts here give me weird feelings.
Unvote, vote Dechs Kaison.
I'm so happy that I'm not alone.
Getting town vibes from Rhand and Jillcoy er Killjoy
Thank you Rhand. This was exactly what I have been trying to get across.
What the heck is this? I just get done saying I thought we were done our beef, and you go right back to it? Can you at least explain yourself instead of just voting blindly?
I am glad several of us are seeing this. Az and AE are being fishy. Dechs apparently wants to be grouped in with them. AE is by FAR my top read.
I agree it is not great of Dechs to just vote without reasons like that. I still feel I need to stay on AE right now. But Dechs is helping make the case against himself....
unvote KillJoy. I very much like his last post.
I want to see both Az and AE respond to the recent developments. I wished I really was a doublevoter now
vote Azrael