dkings, do you remember if killjoy got super-illogical with how he approached his claim in Celestial? I can't remember since I was scum that game.
I went back and looked over his late posts on D1 and, yes, he was incredibly illogical (to the point where it sealed his lynch). He had the role that slowly drained vitality from his target and hid their vitality from the rest of the playerbase, and he was dead set on using it on a townie.
The only way Rodemy's line of play here even begins to make sense is if he is scum and set a trap to try to draw out Iji's identity. And someone may have walked right into it.
The only way Rodemy's line of play here even begins to make sense is if he is scum and set a trap to try to draw out Iji's identity. And someone may have walked right into it.
We need to hear from Rodemy. What he's saying doesn't make sense to me as scum, but there's a contradiction, so something seems to be up one way or the other.
In the meantime, I'm casing my top three people. Sir Karn, Seppel, and Wildfire. One of them I'm going to be voting for unless something dramatic happens.
This is Karn's game:
He started with a hard push on Proph. Because of (1) Proph. saying "I'm Town" a lot at the beginning; (2) Proph. saying he couldn't find much to "attack" in the RVS; (3) Proph. becoming defensive while still saying "I'm Town."
I don't care so much about this attack, being that it was early, and you don't need much to go after someone early. I do dislike the certainty and absolute nature of the attack though:
This Day is already done. Lynch Proph; thank me later.
That was his second post in the game.
Also says this, which is somewhat ironic given what he will later say:
He's also now voting his own meta in an attempt to defend himself, and if you can cite your own meta as a defense, you know enough to (try to) imitate it and that makes that portion of your meta null. But his attempt at trying to make himself look town by it is scummy.
The attack on Proph last maybe two days, and then, abruptly, is gone:
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Meg is scum. Everyone follow me and lynch him toDay.
unvote.
Vote: Megs
Nothing further about Proph. Not that he now thinks Proph's Town. Not that he's giving up because no one is following. Just moving on apparently. Proph. asks directly about this and Karn just avoids the question in #244.
Karn acts absolutely positive about Megs now, over multiple posts. Even makes this post:
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The thing is, Meg is not being valuable. And he would have already started being valuable by now.
And now that I called him out, his behaviour could change and you'd all be like "see, he's not just posting one sentence a day, he's trying to help!"
But it's already too late for him in my opinion, and he should be lynched.
Yet then, as has already been pointed out by multiple people, Karn immediately backs off. Meg's makes ONE more post, and Karn's next post is:
@dking: your mother looks contrived.
I didn't see that Cyan had said what his vengeance ability was already.
@megs: read on him is unclear atm.
Yes, it was mostly to get you posting more than "lol". Thanks for playing.
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The best way for a new player to not say anything incriminating is to not say anything at all.
Can someone explain the Tanarin wagon to me? What did I miss?
So, he's saying here he was doing exactly what he claimed he was not doing in the immediately preceding post. This is a huge RED FLAG. It shows a mindset that isn't consistent. He's saying whatever he needs to say to justify his next position. Which in this case is Godot.
Karn then proceeded to be absolutely positive Godot is scum for the next several days.
His rapidly changing stances are questioned and he then says this:
You want me to ride them down all the way after they become pretty apparently townie? What an awful proposition.
I'm looking for scum and have nicely found multiple town along the way. It sounds like you're implying I'm scum because I didn't stick to my original stance after many things changed.
Thing is Karn Never said he now thought either Proph or Meg were Town. He just jumped ship and started pushing someone else. If he's Town, this is incredibly unhelpful. Why didn't you say if you now thought they were Town? You just left it completely up in the air. The post where you unvote Megs certainly doesn't look like you had now decided he was Townie. You just claimed you were trying to get him to post more.
This is just some of the stuff he says re: trying to get us to lynch Godot.
Guys.
Guys.
This is part of the best case in the thread.
Follow me.
Please.
Godgot just ******* imploded. Can we have more votes on her for the love of anything you may or may not consider holy.
This is turning into a joke with how few people are caring about this.
He also, incidentally, cites his own meta in his own defense (this is the ironic part)
I'm good enough as scum that I don't need to waste my time on noobs when it could backfire against me. I can handle lynching good players. Going after new players to mislynch as scum is actually a terrible idea because they're so unpredictable.
i.e. the thing he criticized Proph for doing.
And then, after what seemed like weeks of doing nothing but trying to get people to lynch Godot, he does this:
Unvote.
Vote: Megiddo
Godot might be town. I think these last few pages are (bad) town.
Meg made one good post that got me off of him, and when I got off of him he reverted back to trash posting.
Just like that. Godot is now "bad Town". I have a very, very hard time believing Karn had this kind of a change of heart, after pushing it for so long. Nothing different had happened. Godot did not suddenly start to post differently. Godot has been nothing if not consistent in her posting style. So what gives? What did Godot do all of a sudden to change your mind? I think it's significant that Karn doesn't actually say. Because I think he'd be hard pressed to explain in any way that made sense how Godot's postings of "these last few pages" were different from the pages and pages that preceded. In fact, when asked, he has no specifics, just:
The culminating mass of VI posts pushed it over at some point from being bad scum to "this can't really be scum."
Just like, almost all of your 'logic' is so bad, but you seem to believe it wholly. The more you post, the more genuine you look.
The "culminating mass" of posts. It's like saying Godot just beat you down.
He seems back on Megs. with certainty, again. Until not:
Seppel replaced someone else, not Megs, I was quite certain. OP isn't updated though.
I'm cool with this Cythare wagon. Haven't liked him this game, just didn't bother because I felt like there were bigger fish to fry. Cythare looks all buttered and covered right now though. And for better or worse I'm too *anynumberofexcuses* to case anyone else more than I already have right now.
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I can do the whole Cythare lynch later, but suffice to say for now that this is one the worst vote on that lynch.
I have a hard time seeing the Townie in this. The repeating pattern of (1) Declare someone scum. (2) Act positive and push for immediate lynch. (3) Abruptly abandon target and instantly move on to next target, who he proceeds to act positive about and push for immediate lynch, doesn't strike me as coming from a Town mindset.
Plus, his rationalizations aren't good even within themselves. He said that Megs coming back and starting to post content shouldn't even matter at this point, but then said that it did matter to him and that was, in fact, what he was aiming for. He said, repeatedly, that Godot was doing nothing Townie, and then seemed to say that the sheer volume of not townie posting made him believe she was Town. He called Proph out for using self meta in his own defense, and later did the exact same thing. It feels like Karn is saying whatever he thinks he needs to say in any given moment to justify himself, but he doesn't actually have any convictions about any of them - despite his strong language.
There is also, incidentally, very little here about other people. I think he makes reference to not liking Cyan at one point (Cyan was pointedly attacking Karn much of Day 1). And almost nothing about other people. People he liked, people he didn't like. Other people's wagons? I think he mentioned he thought Wildfire was Townish (or rather a "VI"). The big wagon of the game - Tanarin's - Karn was completely absent from. Said nothing one way or the other. Actually, said just the one line about "can someone explain the wagon to me" and then...nothing. Nothing about the claim. Nothing about anyone else's claims. It was like he was in his own little bubble.
He says this at one point:
People just come out of the woodwork to post once with a vote on Deathjoey our Axelrod, but every time we try to have real conversations it's like 5 people talking.
Which I want to give him credit for, because it felt true, but at the same time, he didn't say anything about either me or about Deathjoey. He didn't support the votes, disagree with them. Just kind of observed. And that feels scummy.
I know it's long. Sorry. I'm not even voting until I do the other two. But since I did it, I wanted to put it out there now.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
This game is too crazy for me, at the moment. At this moment I'm thinking "man, so many people are doing anti-town/illogical things.. but, they might be town for reasons!" and I can only take so much of that at one time.
Need to step back and re-organize my thoughts, but Axelrod, given that you doggedly pursued Sir Karn in Return to Ravnica, can you find any similarities between that game and this one?
I'm on board with the case against Karn, but Rodemy should die first.
1) Yesterday he claimed to know which player is Iji, and that he needed that player to target him.
2) He also claimed to be vanilla in a later post.
3) Today he takes attention away from the Axelrod/Killjoy discussion by claiming 1-shot role cop (this is RTR Karn all over again) to out a neighborhood which introduces a *****storm of WIFOM.
4) He also claims Iji did not target him.
5) godot counters with a claim that Iji did indeed target him.
tl;dr: Rodemy has literally vomited lies all over this game. Lynch him.
Axelrod, given that you doggedly pursued Sir Karn in Return to Ravnica, can you find any similarities between that game and this one?
The most I can say is that his play here feels very similar to his play there, especially in the shifting rationales. What I can't say is if this is also consistent with a Townie Karn because I don't recall any of those games.
I'm on board with the case against Karn, but Rodemy should die first.
1) Yesterday he claimed to know which player is Iji, and that he needed that player to target him.
2) He also claimed to be vanilla in a later post.
3) Today he takes attention away from the Axelrod/Killjoy discussion by claiming 1-shot role cop (this is RTR Karn all over again) to out a neighborhood which introduces a *****storm of WIFOM.
4) He also claims Iji did not target him.
5) godot counters with a claim that Iji did indeed target him.
tl;dr: Rodemy has literally vomited lies all over this game. Lynch him.
I'm coming around myself. I didn't remember, but I just looked it up. This was Rodemy's "claim" post D1:
My role pm told me who iji is. That is my ability. Its lame but thats it. I assume its because my role is a computer...
So, we have either a straight up lie, or one of those "lies of ommision" here and either way, it's not great.
Beyond that, there's the whole Iji thing. Here's what I'll say about that: If Godot is Iji, then Rodemy's play doesn't make any sense, at all. Rodemy voted for Godot on D1. How do you vote for the person who can turn on your Vengeance ability? How - if you are Town - can your Vengeance ability be turned on by being targeted by a (non-killing, obv.) scum? What kind of sense does that even make? Why would scum Iji ever target you if you were Town? You said nothing to even remotely suggest or hint that you knew Godot was Iji as well, and your play seems to contradict that.
Now, if Godot isn't Iji then this isn't even a point. But if she is, then this may just be the big smoking gun we want.
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Then why did you say what you said? That doesn't even make any sense.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'm sorry, my brain can only handle so much nonsensical/dumb stuff, and I'm really confused as to what the gamestate is.
I would like to hear from Sir Karn, Deathjoey, and Seppel, though. They haven't said anything Today yet and I distinctly remember adopting "late entry into thread" in Celestial so I could watch things pan out.
Well, do you want to clarify the confusion, or not?
You said before you now believed Rodemy was Town and had valuable info. Do you still think that?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Well, do you want to clarify the confusion, or not?
You said before you now believed Rodemy was Town and had valuable info. Do you still think that?
Yes, or at the very least, he is not a killer. Since he released information on Seppel being in a neighborhood, we can deduce he either targeted Seppel or somebody in Seppel's neighborhood. None of those people died. Therefore Rodemy can get information and can't kill. Yeah?
Yes, or at the very least, he is not a killer. Since he released information on Seppel being in a neighborhood, we can deduce he either targeted Seppel or somebody in Seppel's neighborhood. None of those people died. Therefore Rodemy can get information and can't kill. Yeah?
If he's a scum!Rolecop, he could target Seppel/someone in Seppel's neighborhood without killing that person, since only one scum (generally) performs the kill.
We also don't know if he targeted Seppel (unless you're claiming information that you probably shouldn't). Seppel has not confirmed he is a neighbor, nor have any of his alleged neighbors. Also, if we assume one of those neighbors is scum, then the neighborhood would be a known quantity to the scum anyways. I can't really see scum outing that information to "prove" they're a RoleCop (since that's a scummy role to begin with), but I've seen weirder gambits.
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Yes, or at the very least, he is not a killer. Since he released information on Seppel being in a neighborhood, we can deduce he either targeted Seppel or somebody in Seppel's neighborhood. None of those people died. Therefore Rodemy can get information and can't kill. Yeah?
These posts are getting increasingly bad.
Assuming Rodemy could not have performed the night kill absolutely does not preclude him from being scum.
Also, the only way Rodemy could know Seppel is in a neighborhood without having rolecopped Seppel would be if he is scum with Seppel or another neighbor.
Well, do you want to clarify the confusion, or not?
You said before you now believed Rodemy was Town and had valuable info. Do you still think that?
Yes, or at the very least, he is not a killer. Since he released information on Seppel being in a neighborhood, we can deduce he either targeted Seppel or somebody in Seppel's neighborhood. None of those people died. Therefore Rodemy can get information and can't kill. Yeah?
Usually, the scumteam as a whole gets a nightkill ability, which any one of them can use each night. Just because Rodemy didn't perform a kill this night, doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to do so.
Also, it's possible that a player can use more than one ability per night, in which case Rodemy could have both investigated and killed.
I think not knowing this basic scum structure further demonstrates godot is town.
Mmmkay. I don't actually know what I'm talking about because this is my first game, so I'm just going to stop being stupidly ambiguous now and let you all tell me whatever that means :s
I'm Iji. I'm the town tracker.
I targeted Rodemy
Rodemy targeted Seppel
Then Rodemy said "no vengeance tho. Iji you suck"
But I targeted him
Because he said special things would happen
Yeah
Okay
Mmmkay. I don't actually know what I'm talking about because this is my first game, so I'm just going to stop being stupidly ambiguous now and let you all tell me whatever that means :s
I'm Iji. I'm the town tracker.
I targeted Rodemy
Rodemy targeted Seppel
Then Rodemy said "no vengeance tho. Iji you suck"
But I targeted him
Because he said special things would happen
Yeah
Okay
Le fine
This is *exactly* the thing that I was trying to say that you shouldn't claim.
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Mmmkay. I don't actually know what I'm talking about because this is my first game, so I'm just going to stop being stupidly ambiguous now and let you all tell me whatever that means :s
I'm Iji. I'm the town tracker.
I targeted Rodemy
Rodemy targeted Seppel
Then Rodemy said "no vengeance tho. Iji you suck"
But I targeted him
Because he said special things would happen
Yeah
Okay
Le fine
This is *exactly* the thing that I was trying to say that you shouldn't claim.
It's not like everybody didn't already know. It was already too late imo. I didn't know how to explain Rodemy's dishonesty without sounding like a dumbass (my first approach) or claiming it straightforwardly (what I just did)
You could have said you targeted him and claimed your name without having claimed your ability. Trackers are generally kill-on-sight for the mafia and extremely valuable for the town.
At least I don't think you're scum anymore.
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I mean, in general you want to refrain from claiming for as long as possible in any game. The more claims the scum team gets, the better they can anticipate difficulties they might have. For example EP's claim of Bomb means that the scum team knows not to kill him unless they want to lose a member too. Had he not claimed, there was a chance he could have been the NK target and thus would have been a bigger boon to us.
It also gives them a priority list. Generally, the highest priority to kill is a Doctor-type role, since they (usually) can't self-protect, and if they're alive to protect then no other target is guaranteed. With the Doc out of the way (or, in this game, where it's known that there is no Doctor), information roles like Watcher, Cop, and Tracker are generally the scum's primary targets.
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I understand where you're coming from. If this ever comes up in the future though, I recommend simply claiming you targeted him without claiming your role. It still gives some info (i.e. you're not a Vigilante), but it doesn't put a target on your forehead.
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Welp. Godat. I Was teying to get you to NOT claim what you just did... BUT THAT FAILED.
I lied about knowing who iji was in order to get her to target me. It worked.
But i had lied because i didn't want iji to claim having targeted me..
So now the scum know i have my vengence.. i am probably dead tonight.
Thanks godat.
Okay this is so not my fault.
I only targeted you because your role PM told you who Iji was, and I didn't want to upset you by ignoring your request. I definitely had other people I wanted to target. YOU'RE WELCOME FOR THAT SACRIFICE.
Then you said Iji sucks. I was really confused, man. My first thought was you somehow must have had a different vengeance trigger. I thought you might not have been notified that I targeted you, and thus you would be thinking your vengeance wasn't activated because I didn't target you. If that was the case, I definitely wanted you to know you must have had a different trigger so you could seek after that. If you didn't want me to claim stuff, I mean, you could have not mentioned your Iji relationship again. I didn't know what I was supposed to do. I just knew you were either misinformed or putting out misinformation. Apparently it is the latter.
You also said you were going to die last night, and that didn't happen. So there's hope if you're not lynched today.
I went back and looked over his late posts on D1 and, yes, he was incredibly illogical (to the point where it sealed his lynch). He had the role that slowly drained vitality from his target and hid their vitality from the rest of the playerbase, and he was dead set on using it on a townie.
Are these really similar situations though?
Vote Rodemy
The only way Rodemy's line of play here even begins to make sense is if he is scum and set a trap to try to draw out Iji's identity. And someone may have walked right into it.
Didnt i say statistically? I swear i said statistically.
Dont youb******* dare.
Nope i said percentage wise.
In the meantime, I'm casing my top three people. Sir Karn, Seppel, and Wildfire. One of them I'm going to be voting for unless something dramatic happens.
This is Karn's game:
He started with a hard push on Proph. Because of (1) Proph. saying "I'm Town" a lot at the beginning; (2) Proph. saying he couldn't find much to "attack" in the RVS; (3) Proph. becoming defensive while still saying "I'm Town."
I don't care so much about this attack, being that it was early, and you don't need much to go after someone early. I do dislike the certainty and absolute nature of the attack though:
That was his second post in the game.
Also says this, which is somewhat ironic given what he will later say:
The attack on Proph last maybe two days, and then, abruptly, is gone:
Nothing further about Proph. Not that he now thinks Proph's Town. Not that he's giving up because no one is following. Just moving on apparently. Proph. asks directly about this and Karn just avoids the question in #244.
Karn acts absolutely positive about Megs now, over multiple posts. Even makes this post:
Yet then, as has already been pointed out by multiple people, Karn immediately backs off. Meg's makes ONE more post, and Karn's next post is:
So, he's saying here he was doing exactly what he claimed he was not doing in the immediately preceding post. This is a huge RED FLAG. It shows a mindset that isn't consistent. He's saying whatever he needs to say to justify his next position. Which in this case is Godot.
Karn then proceeded to be absolutely positive Godot is scum for the next several days.
His rapidly changing stances are questioned and he then says this:
Thing is Karn Never said he now thought either Proph or Meg were Town. He just jumped ship and started pushing someone else. If he's Town, this is incredibly unhelpful. Why didn't you say if you now thought they were Town? You just left it completely up in the air. The post where you unvote Megs certainly doesn't look like you had now decided he was Townie. You just claimed you were trying to get him to post more.
This is just some of the stuff he says re: trying to get us to lynch Godot.
He also, incidentally, cites his own meta in his own defense (this is the ironic part)
i.e. the thing he criticized Proph for doing.
And then, after what seemed like weeks of doing nothing but trying to get people to lynch Godot, he does this:
Just like that. Godot is now "bad Town". I have a very, very hard time believing Karn had this kind of a change of heart, after pushing it for so long. Nothing different had happened. Godot did not suddenly start to post differently. Godot has been nothing if not consistent in her posting style. So what gives? What did Godot do all of a sudden to change your mind? I think it's significant that Karn doesn't actually say. Because I think he'd be hard pressed to explain in any way that made sense how Godot's postings of "these last few pages" were different from the pages and pages that preceded. In fact, when asked, he has no specifics, just:
The "culminating mass" of posts. It's like saying Godot just beat you down.
He seems back on Megs. with certainty, again. Until not:
I can do the whole Cythare lynch later, but suffice to say for now that this is one the worst vote on that lynch.
I have a hard time seeing the Townie in this. The repeating pattern of (1) Declare someone scum. (2) Act positive and push for immediate lynch. (3) Abruptly abandon target and instantly move on to next target, who he proceeds to act positive about and push for immediate lynch, doesn't strike me as coming from a Town mindset.
Plus, his rationalizations aren't good even within themselves. He said that Megs coming back and starting to post content shouldn't even matter at this point, but then said that it did matter to him and that was, in fact, what he was aiming for. He said, repeatedly, that Godot was doing nothing Townie, and then seemed to say that the sheer volume of not townie posting made him believe she was Town. He called Proph out for using self meta in his own defense, and later did the exact same thing. It feels like Karn is saying whatever he thinks he needs to say in any given moment to justify himself, but he doesn't actually have any convictions about any of them - despite his strong language.
There is also, incidentally, very little here about other people. I think he makes reference to not liking Cyan at one point (Cyan was pointedly attacking Karn much of Day 1). And almost nothing about other people. People he liked, people he didn't like. Other people's wagons? I think he mentioned he thought Wildfire was Townish (or rather a "VI"). The big wagon of the game - Tanarin's - Karn was completely absent from. Said nothing one way or the other. Actually, said just the one line about "can someone explain the wagon to me" and then...nothing. Nothing about the claim. Nothing about anyone else's claims. It was like he was in his own little bubble.
He says this at one point:
Which I want to give him credit for, because it felt true, but at the same time, he didn't say anything about either me or about Deathjoey. He didn't support the votes, disagree with them. Just kind of observed. And that feels scummy.
I know it's long. Sorry. I'm not even voting until I do the other two. But since I did it, I wanted to put it out there now.
Vote stays at least until he explains the Iji thing.
Unvote. Vote Sir Karn
Because Axlerod's case is everything I wasn't patient enough to form into a case.
Just. *applause*
Need to step back and re-organize my thoughts, but Axelrod, given that you doggedly pursued Sir Karn in Return to Ravnica, can you find any similarities between that game and this one?
1) Yesterday he claimed to know which player is Iji, and that he needed that player to target him.
2) He also claimed to be vanilla in a later post.
3) Today he takes attention away from the Axelrod/Killjoy discussion by claiming 1-shot role cop (this is RTR Karn all over again) to out a neighborhood which introduces a *****storm of WIFOM.
4) He also claims Iji did not target him.
5) godot counters with a claim that Iji did indeed target him.
tl;dr: Rodemy has literally vomited lies all over this game. Lynch him.
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The most I can say is that his play here feels very similar to his play there, especially in the shifting rationales. What I can't say is if this is also consistent with a Townie Karn because I don't recall any of those games.
I'm coming around myself. I didn't remember, but I just looked it up. This was Rodemy's "claim" post D1:
So, we have either a straight up lie, or one of those "lies of ommision" here and either way, it's not great.
Beyond that, there's the whole Iji thing. Here's what I'll say about that: If Godot is Iji, then Rodemy's play doesn't make any sense, at all. Rodemy voted for Godot on D1. How do you vote for the person who can turn on your Vengeance ability? How - if you are Town - can your Vengeance ability be turned on by being targeted by a (non-killing, obv.) scum? What kind of sense does that even make? Why would scum Iji ever target you if you were Town? You said nothing to even remotely suggest or hint that you knew Godot was Iji as well, and your play seems to contradict that.
Now, if Godot isn't Iji then this isn't even a point. But if she is, then this may just be the big smoking gun we want.
Then why did you say what you said? That doesn't even make any sense.
unvote, vote Rodemy
1. Rodemy to clarify basically, well, everything
2. Probably focus on behavior
I'm sorry, my brain can only handle so much nonsensical/dumb stuff, and I'm really confused as to what the gamestate is.
I would like to hear from Sir Karn, Deathjoey, and Seppel, though. They haven't said anything Today yet and I distinctly remember adopting "late entry into thread" in Celestial so I could watch things pan out.
You are claiming that you are Iji and that you targeted Rodemy last night?
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Well, do you want to clarify the confusion, or not?
You said before you now believed Rodemy was Town and had valuable info. Do you still think that?
Yes, or at the very least, he is not a killer. Since he released information on Seppel being in a neighborhood, we can deduce he either targeted Seppel or somebody in Seppel's neighborhood. None of those people died. Therefore Rodemy can get information and can't kill. Yeah?
If he's a scum!Rolecop, he could target Seppel/someone in Seppel's neighborhood without killing that person, since only one scum (generally) performs the kill.
We also don't know if he targeted Seppel (unless you're claiming information that you probably shouldn't). Seppel has not confirmed he is a neighbor, nor have any of his alleged neighbors. Also, if we assume one of those neighbors is scum, then the neighborhood would be a known quantity to the scum anyways. I can't really see scum outing that information to "prove" they're a RoleCop (since that's a scummy role to begin with), but I've seen weirder gambits.
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These posts are getting increasingly bad.
Assuming Rodemy could not have performed the night kill absolutely does not preclude him from being scum.
Also, the only way Rodemy could know Seppel is in a neighborhood without having rolecopped Seppel would be if he is scum with Seppel or another neighbor.
I lol'ed
Also, it's possible that a player can use more than one ability per night, in which case Rodemy could have both investigated and killed.
I think not knowing this basic scum structure further demonstrates godot is town.
I'm Iji. I'm the town tracker.
I targeted Rodemy
Rodemy targeted Seppel
Then Rodemy said "no vengeance tho. Iji you suck"
But I targeted him
Because he said special things would happen
Yeah
Okay
Le fine
This is *exactly* the thing that I was trying to say that you shouldn't claim.
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It's not like everybody didn't already know. It was already too late imo. I didn't know how to explain Rodemy's dishonesty without sounding like a dumbass (my first approach) or claiming it straightforwardly (what I just did)
Oh well.
At least I don't think you're scum anymore.
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It also gives them a priority list. Generally, the highest priority to kill is a Doctor-type role, since they (usually) can't self-protect, and if they're alive to protect then no other target is guaranteed. With the Doc out of the way (or, in this game, where it's known that there is no Doctor), information roles like Watcher, Cop, and Tracker are generally the scum's primary targets.
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Well, I had a purpose: figure out The Rodemy thing because I can't. We don't need to talk about my ignorance and stupidity anymore.
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I lied about knowing who iji was in order to get her to target me. It worked.
But i had lied because i didn't want iji to claim having targeted me..
So now the scum know i have my vengence.. i am probably dead tonight.
Thanks godat.
Agreed.
Happy with my vote where it is.
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Okay this is so not my fault.
I only targeted you because your role PM told you who Iji was, and I didn't want to upset you by ignoring your request. I definitely had other people I wanted to target. YOU'RE WELCOME FOR THAT SACRIFICE.
Then you said Iji sucks. I was really confused, man. My first thought was you somehow must have had a different vengeance trigger. I thought you might not have been notified that I targeted you, and thus you would be thinking your vengeance wasn't activated because I didn't target you. If that was the case, I definitely wanted you to know you must have had a different trigger so you could seek after that. If you didn't want me to claim stuff, I mean, you could have not mentioned your Iji relationship again. I didn't know what I was supposed to do. I just knew you were either misinformed or putting out misinformation. Apparently it is the latter.
You also said you were going to die last night, and that didn't happen. So there's hope if you're not lynched today.
I'M SORRY I CANNOT READ YOUR MIND, DUDE.
Man
This blooows. :l
I lied to get her to target me.
And sep hasnt replied yet. MY CLAIM CAN BE VERIFIED.
I lied to get my trigger, which you guys want... trust me.
If i tell you what my trigger is, could we get this wagon sonewhere else?
I lied to get her to target me.
And sep hasnt replied yet. MY CLAIM CAN BE VERIFIED.
I lied to get my trigger, which you guys want... trust me.
If i tell you what my trigger is, could we get this wagon sonewhere else?
You lied to get Iji to target you, which wasted a Track.
You lied about the fact that Iji targeted you, which outed our Tracker.
You've probably told the truth about your ability, but it's a generally-scum ability.
I'm going to need quite a bit of convincing not to want to lynch you toDay.
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