I'm pretty sure Seppel is mafia after that. EP is town.
And something I noticed. Remember D3? No dead town, and Seppel saying it was since he RB'd EP, while Rhand claimed it was since he used his hiding that night. Also, Void said it might've been since he healed Seppel...
EP, did you get a message that you were RB'd that night? Because, Rhand claimed he got it even though he attempted to not do anything, if I recall it correctly?
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Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
Ika, use your ability on Rhand tonight, and see if you get blocked.
And I'm pretty sure this whole theory of "Rhand is ascetic" is full of *****. If that were to be true, I'm pretty sure Seppel would've been informed that his RB failed...
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Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
Ika, use your ability on Rhand tonight, and see if you get blocked.
And I'm pretty sure this whole theory of "Rhand is ascetic" is full of *****. If that were to be true, I'm pretty sure Seppel would've been informed that his RB failed...
I was informed that I have successfully used my ability twice.
In fact I have flavor for both shots. I fired a burst of energy at DC3 and then I felt my power regain and I fired again at Rhand knowing that I would stun him too.
As the soldiers and rogues who had come to the city made their way around, their investigations kept turning up more and more dark, disturbing secrets. Revelations about Leá Monde, its citizens, its history... and its powers.
Many had died for the cause already. Collectively, they decided to halt the violence for the time being. Each surviving visitor went about taking refuge for the night, and reflecting.
There was not much time left. Who is friend? Who is foe?
Day 4 has ended in a No Lynch.
It is now Night 4. Do not post in this thread until Day 5 starts.
All night actions must be submitted within 72 hours.
Sydney Losstarot investigates some runes carved into the walls of the Temple when a door swings open behind him. He smiles as he turns back and views the newcomer's face.
"So, you have tracked me down."
"That I have..." spoke the intruder. "The Riskbreaker is dead, Sydney, as are your machinations."
"Heh... so you believe me to have given up? There is no meaning in an incomplete death."
"What are you ranting about?"
Sydney faces the intruder.
"Yes, the Riskbreaker was the perfect one to rule this city of darkness. But he wasn't ready, sadly, and the time is nigh."
The intruder draws his sword.
"That weak-spirited vagrant? He had the unquestioning faith of a child!"
"Better a pious child than an iniquitous fiend."
The two begin slowly circling around each other. The intruder has clearly not entered on friendly terms. Sydney grins slyly, and uses his powers in an attempt to manipulate the mind of his adversary. He feels a shockwave jolt his body and staggers backward.
"Your powers hold no sway over me. Prepare yourself!"
Quickly, the intruder leaps into action and strikes Sydney in the chest with his fist. The prophet flies backward into a wall and slumps to the floor.
"Name me the successor and you yet may live!"
"You call the Riskbreaker a child, all the while deceiving yourself with a child's daydreams."
Sydney rises to a knee and points at his opponent's weapon.
"When will you learn? Your power is useless!"
The intruder looks down at his hand and sees the severed, bloody arm of Sir Tieger where he previously gripped his sword. Tricked by the illusion, he launches the weapon across the room. When it strikes the wall, he reacts in fury to the sound of metal against stone. In return, he delivers a crushing blow to Sydney's ribs with his boot.
"Name me the successor!!!"
"I name you 'worm'..."Sydney struggles, as he spits out blood. "...as you crawl through the dirt."
"I will be the successor, and I will carry on the legacy!"
As Sydney rises to his feet, the intruder chants in an unfamiliar language. He throws his arms out to his sides, and a pulse of energy radiates through the room. Sydney turns and realizes he is standing directly in front of a gigantic statue of the four-armed Kiltian god Kali. Before he has time to react, the statue comes to life... swinging an enormous broadsword directly down upon him. He is cut clean in half at the waist.
"You will not give me the city and its power... and thus I must take it."
With the self-proclaimed prophet now eviscerated, the intruder set to work.
Bur has been killed. He was Sydney Losstarot, Town 1-Shot Neutralizer.
Bur, welcome to Vagrant Story Mafia!
You are Sydney Losstarot
"Most men complacently accept "knowledge" as "truth". They are sheep, ruled by fear."
You are a self-proclaimed prophet and leader of the Müllenkamp cult. Your bounding charisma and uncanny ability to read the pasts of others has garnered you a following of countless zealots who will follow you to the ends of the world. Your group seized the Duke's manor in the Greylands, but with far more wide-ranging intentions than any in Parliament could imagine. You have led the Riskbreaker, Ashley Riot, to Leá Monde for a purpose only known to you. Unfortunately, many others have followed, all with differing interests in the dark powers the city holds...
Alignment: Town Class: Warlock Role: Locked
Your win condition is to eliminate all members of the Mafia.
To unlock your role, you must search the city of Leá Monde for your Grimoire. You may move to a new location each Day phase, and you may move at any time (including Twilight). You will search that location upon arrival. Based upon information your followers have gathered, you have ascertained that your Grimoire is located in an area where the sounds of rushing water can be heard nearby.
Please confirm via PM. Good luck!
Bur, you have found the Twin Grimoires: Banish and Muet!
Forbidden spell of instant death.
Temporarily stops target from using magic.
You are now Sydney Losstarot, Town 1-shot Neutralizer
"Most men complacently accept "knowledge" as "truth". They are sheep, ruled by fear."
You are a self-proclaimed prophet and leader of the Müllenkamp cult. Your bounding charisma and uncanny ability to read the pasts of others has garnered you a following of countless zealots who will follow you to the ends of the world. Your group seized the Duke's manor in the Greylands, but with far more wide-ranging intentions than any in Parliament could imagine. You have led the Riskbreaker, Ashley Riot, to Leá Monde for a purpose only known to you. Unfortunately, many others have followed, all with differing interests in the dark powers the city holds...
Alignment: Town Class: Warlock Role: Unlocked
Your win condition is to eliminate all members of the Mafia.
You have the following abilities:
Banish: During night, you may submit the name of a target player via PM. That player will be killed.
Silence: During night, you may submit the name of a target player via PM. That player will lose any and all abilities they have unlocked for the remainder of the game. Note: This action will fail if the target has not yet found their Grimoire.
Important note: You are a true 1-shot role, and may only choose to use one ability one time.
Choose wisely!
It is now Day 5.
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
Day 5 Deadline: Thursday, February 5 @ 4:00pm
* SPECIAL NOTE: Per Gameplay Rule #10, now that we have less than 6 players remaining, any future night periods will be shortened to 48 hours.
Seppel not hammering me Yesterday means he's conf Town and Emo saying that Seppel should be the Day's lynch without commenting on other stuff is off. If he thinks Seppel is scum then he'd have to think I was also scum because Seppel didn't hammer me, but he has a preference to lynch Seppel and doesn't give thoughts on anyone else, so he's still trying to see who is up for a Seppel lynch, including me. Ika couldn't have made the kill unless Seppel is lying and Seppel and Ika can't be scum together or else I'd be dead and the game would be over. If it was Emo and Ika then Rhand would have been dead Yesterday.
Emo was trying to lobby me on Seppel in the neighbor chat despite the fact that pairing doesn't make sense with Rhand and I told him that but he brushed of my reasoning because of Killjoy's motivation but never elaborated on why when I asked him (and the reasoning I gave him had to do with the Night prior, not the Night Seppel got motivated), because he was trying to change my mind on Seppel without having to change my mind on Rhand.
Seppel not hammering me Yesterday means he's conf Town and Emo saying that Seppel should be the Day's lynch without commenting on other stuff is off. If he thinks Seppel is scum then he'd have to think I was also scum because Seppel didn't hammer me, but he has a preference to lynch Seppel and doesn't give thoughts on anyone else, so he's still trying to see who is up for a Seppel lynch, including me. Ika couldn't have made the kill unless Seppel is lying and Seppel and Ika can't be scum together or else I'd be dead and the game would be over. If it was Emo and Ika then Rhand would have been dead Yesterday.
Emo was trying to lobby me on Seppel in the neighbor chat despite the fact that pairing doesn't make sense with Rhand and I told him that but he brushed of my reasoning because of Killjoy's motivation but never elaborated on why when I asked him (and the reasoning I gave him had to do with the Night prior, not the Night Seppel got motivated), because he was trying to change my mind on Seppel without having to change my mind on Rhand.
Vote: Rhand
I'm just going to post this:
Quote from day chat »
I can guarantee that at least one of Seppel or Rhand is scum based on KA's wagon. If I had to guess one is and one is not, but it's a bit fuzzy on what the chances are since the town is incapable of lynching.
I also guarantee that one of Rhand, DCIII, and Bur is scum and that one of Seppel or ika is scum. This deep in the game with this abrupt a break in posting frequency with little traction gained on wagons means one scum is lurking and one scum is posting frequently.
Combine this with his role, and Seppel pretty much has to be scum. I doubt I can get 4 votes though. Would either of you be willing to join a Seppel wagon?
It's pretty clear I didn't push Seppel and not change DCIII's mind on Rhand.
@EP: You're arguing that three things point to me being scum: A wagon, a posting frequency, and my role.
So literally nothing about my behavior at all. I'm surprised you can even post that with a straight face.
* I organized us to get all of our grimoires.
* I started the Hunger wagon and saw it to completion. Hunger wasn't even a question at the time. Please, if you can come up with some sort of scum motivation for that, I'd love to hear it.
I don't even see how you can believe that you could push a wagon on me when it's pretty much impossible for me to be scum.
If you are not voting one of there people you are scum:
Seppel
emo_pinata
Rhand
Void
CitricBase
Hunger
Seriously, everyone place a vote on this list now. There is no point looking elsewhere when we know 1-2 scum are on guaranteed to be on this list. Even if you don't make it an official vote, you need to say "Of these people, I will vote <insert name here>" because if you don't have a scum read on this list then you are guaranteed to be wrong and need to reevaluate your reads this game.
I don't have good target on this list yet, but expect my vote to be one one of these people:
Rhand
Void
CitricBase
Hunger
Is this in regards to your votecount analysis? There's no explanation given. But since the Hunger wagon can't be stopped, EP posts this:
Not to mention vote count analysis and PoE. Either you or Rhand is scum. There is no escaping the numbers game there.
I'm not certain that Rhand is scum any more. But entertain me for a tic: if Rhand is scum, who does that make the final bad guy, from your point of view?
Not to mention vote count analysis and PoE. Either you or Rhand is scum. There is no escaping the numbers game there.
I'm not certain that Rhand is scum any more. But entertain me for a tic: if Rhand is scum, who does that make the final bad guy, from your point of view?
Ika, I protected you because of the way Yesterday ended.
Emo, I claimed my elite contingent Yesterday. And you were trying to steer toward Seppel and were asking about thoughts on Seppel, and I said that I was confident that Rhand was scum and that they couldn't be scum together unless they intentionally didn't kill N2. And then you said you were more confident in Seppel and if you were me, you'd suspect you over Rhand and also said that Seppel and Rhand weren't a dichotomy and when I asked you to explain that more because it didn't make sense, you didn't.
Emo, I claimed my elite contingent Yesterday. And you were trying to steer toward Seppel and were asking about thoughts on Seppel, and I said that I was confident that Rhand was scum and that they couldn't be scum together unless they intentionally didn't kill N2. And then you said you were more confident in Seppel and if you were me, you'd suspect you over Rhand and also said that Seppel and Rhand weren't a dichotomy and when I asked you to explain that more because it didn't make sense, you didn't.
This was never, ever said. Not even close. Not even a little. I quoted what I said about Seppel and Rhand in the chat. Here I reiterate again:
@DCIII: I already spelled out that Rhand or Seppel is scum. I just think Seppel is less of a stab in the dark because Rhand would have consistently made insane decisions as scum and Seppel would just need to make smart decisions. As you, I would vote for me before Rhand if we go by behavior and such alone. Seppel got motivated so the early dichotomy doesn't hold true.
The early dichotomy is between you and Rhand when you both claimed to be roleblocked.
Is there a reason we want to hold off voting? I'm trying to be patient after iji.
Not to mention vote count analysis and PoE. Either you or Rhand is scum. There is no escaping the numbers game there.
I'm not certain that Rhand is scum any more. But entertain me for a tic: if Rhand is scum, who does that make the final bad guy, from your point of view?
Ika, I protected you because of the way Yesterday ended.
Emo, I claimed my elite contingent Yesterday. And you were trying to steer toward Seppel and were asking about thoughts on Seppel, and I said that I was confident that Rhand was scum and that they couldn't be scum together unless they intentionally didn't kill N2. And then you said you were more confident in Seppel and if you were me, you'd suspect you over Rhand and also said that Seppel and Rhand weren't a dichotomy and when I asked you to explain that more because it didn't make sense, you didn't.
Sep, why second thoughts on Rhand?
The way E_P isn't using any behavior analysis yet has come up with specific teams, including Rhand/Ika, is mindboggling.
In other words, I'm pretty sure it's E_P and one of you/Rhand.
Not to mention vote count analysis and PoE. Either you or Rhand is scum. There is no escaping the numbers game there.
I'm not certain that Rhand is scum any more. But entertain me for a tic: if Rhand is scum, who does that make the final bad guy, from your point of view?
It could only be ika.
How can you justify a scum Ika?
Oh my god, Seppel. You made me literally laugh out loud at work. You bastard.
The reason I'm asking names: I read the flavor last Night and the flavor scenes clearly show my ability.
I'm going to read through the scenes again and look if everything claimed matches it.
Not to mention vote count analysis and PoE. Either you or Rhand is scum. There is no escaping the numbers game there.
I'm not certain that Rhand is scum any more. But entertain me for a tic: if Rhand is scum, who does that make the final bad guy, from your point of view?
It could only be ika.
How can you justify a scum Ika?
Oh my god, Seppel. You made me literally laugh out loud at work. You bastard.
The reason I'm asking names: I read the flavor last Night and the flavor scenes clearly show my ability.
I'm going to read through the scenes again and look if everything claimed matches it.
You're going to do what now?
Why are you looking at flavor instead of analyzing behavior?
Because I got suspicious of you for the way you ended the Day and less of Ika after he didn't lurk hammer me, and I figured if I was right that ika would be the target.
That post you quoted said that at least one of Seppel and Rhand were scum, meaning that it was possible that both were, and then you tried to get us interested in the Seppel lynch... and my response to you was that Seppel and Rhand couldn't be scum together unless they intentionally no killed on N2, so I didn't think it was Seppel and I wanted your thoughts on my Rhand case. Then you said you already said it was Seppel OR Rhand (which you didn't you said it was at least Seppel or Rhand) and that Seppel got motivated so the dichotomy isn't correct - which was entirely in the context of the discussion on whether Seppel and Rhand could be scum together because that's why I was objecting to a scum Seppel. Then when I asked you about why the dichotomy wasn't true, you didn't respond. Why would you have been talking about me and Rhand being a dichotomy there? That doesn't make any sense because I was responding to you asking if either of us were willing to join a Seppel wagon and trying to get you to engage on my Rhand points.
@Ika - tell me I'm not going crazy on the above.
But, I'm letting you distract me from my main point of #1820 which was that you opened the day saying that you thought Seppel was the best person to lynch without offering any other thoughts and if you were trying to solve the game, you'd have to think I was scum with Seppel because you'd know that Seppel didn't hammer me. Your sole focus on him shows that your mindset wasn't trying to put the game together as a whole because that would be the conclusion you'd have to make. You were still trying to keep your doors open to convince me because last you'd seen I thought you were Town, but it doesn't make sense if you actually thought Seppel was scum and you were trying to figure out who his buddy was.
@Seppel: I found it quite apparent from flavor that Lady Samantha was scum. With 2 of the flipped people not being among the 12 that went to the city in the opening post, I was wondering if scum had falseclaims. If they do, then flavor might betray them because abilities won't match. After all, there are extra characters in the city that can be claimed.
DCIII claimed a third name that didn't go to the city in the opening flavor.
His ability doesn't make sense with the character he claimed: the duke as bodyguard?
Which probably means I'm wrong about the falseclaims. He could've claimed Hardin and that would've made total sense as BG.
He's clearly true claiming his name and class (he's my father and I am shaman too), but not his ability. He's also still a dichotomy with Taredas.
Flavorwise it also makes lots of sense for him to be scum: why else would the Mullenkamp have raided his mansion and taken his son from him? The son they now protect?
You know who else should be scum flavorwise? The guy sent by the duke to fetch his son again. Seppel.
Behavior wise: I know DCIII is scum because of dichotomies. His interactions with Hawk Day 1 were clearly scum on town. Which makes Emo town. Ika interactions with DCIII (actually DCIII towards Ika) point to scum on town too: scum doesn't claim to protect other scum without reason. He also calls you 'Ika and Sep' when trying to convince you to lynch me and Emo. He's trying to convince Ika and tags you on.
show me why the other is scum by using quotes, interactions, and posts. I dont want to hear about the role, how it makes someone else town, or stuff like that.
show me quote that have the scum in it, show me their interactions (or lack of) with hunger.
you guys can bicker all day about role and behavior and crap like that. but i read it and hear "WORDWORDWORDWORD" and its not going to sway me. others it might but not me right now
Does anyone know if iso generally jokes about being scum regardless of alignment? I haven't played that much with him.
Ummm, is this a scum slip? Like, why would you use the word joke there unless you know Iso is town?
I don't know, maybe I'm off base, but I feel like if it were me asking I would not assume it's a joke and say something like, "does Iso claim scum like this as either alignment?"
hunger, if you think that post is a slip why are you not voting hawk for it?
Like I said, it looks like a slip to me, but I don't know if I am looking too much into it. Different people use different language. I wanted other people to weigh in on it and I wanted hawk to respond to it. Also, I am still in the process of reading over the last few pages. Also also, I still think Kam is scum.
The above are Hunger testing the waters for a Hawk lynch. He wouldn't do that with a scumbuddy.
==> Emo town
Hunger makes long posts so I'll quote them in spoilers from here on.
Okay ika, now it's time for you reveal your master plan how to break this game. I'm waiting...
Not sure I like how focused on Ika's plan they are. Like, Bur provided no input to the game at all and is clearly just waiting for Ika to state his plan. Seems a bit self-conscious, like he doesn't want to make the wrong move.
as i said, first everyone claims where they are going to search before we start sending people.
i rather have people locked into places where they are going to search first.
This is dumb. Why would you want to lock someone into searching somewhere? What if they find out the place they were going to search is empty, or someone found a grimoire there making it less likely theirs is also there? It just seems sub-optimal to lock in where you are going to search before you do.
I still don't like Rhand - spent time reading Hawk's scum meta, but didn't look at one of my main reasons for thinking Hawk was scum this game - which would have both helped with his read on Hawk and with his read on me. Don't buy his approach toward me this game is honest. Voted Kami but didn't give a reason why he thought he was scum or push why he should be the lynch despite him being the counter wagon to Hawk, who he was adamant is town. But I'm also thinking it's unlikely that he and Citric are scum together considering Citric's early game push on him based on Grimoire discussion. Doesn't seem like the kind of angle I'd expect Citric to take if they were buddies.
I try to avoid games with the same players in them. If I'm scum in one game and town in the other, I get paranoid and think people will go to my other game and see if my read on the same player is accurate to my read in the scum game. Without going into detail, my read on Hunger was a complete lie for reasons outside of this game.
1. I call bull*****. I can't openly discuss it because GiP, but this is just false.
2. Regardless of 1, this just doesn't even make sense. You are saying you, as town, in this game are paranoid that people would look at a game in which you were scum and I was town and think you were scummy in this game because you had a different read of me? Get out. Like, do you even know what you are talking about?
I feel pretty good about scum Seppel now, too. Jumping in on the obvious counter to his buddy Ika.
==> Ika not scum with Seppel
==> looks bad for Seppel
@emo - What makes you think I am scum? Specifically in the first few pages since that was apparently all you needed from the whole game to vote me. Have you read the whole game yet? Do you think I am scummier than anyone else in the game or is your vote just because of the wagon sexiness?
@Seppel - I lol'd at you saying I'm not actually scumhunting, when all you have done is faked a read on me then called me scum when it was convenient followed by going wayyy over the top with the mechanics gaming to look busy. All the reasons you quoted above are super loose and I intend to call you out on all of them soon as I should actually have time to play this week, but two things.
1. You said you faked a town read on me, which is whatever, but when you vote me that's literally your only explanation as to why. You faking a town read on me doesn't say why you found me scummy. All your "reasons" are post-vote on me because I'm pretty sure you made up that "fake town read" nonsense when it was convenient to join my wagon. So do you have any actual reasons that you found me scummy enough before that that you had to fake a town read? Show your work.
2. Your, "Hunger is scum because he's not acting like his town self (he feels more invested in this game than when he's town)," actually made me do a double-take because I couldn't believe it. I wouldn't be surprised if someone called me scummy this game because I was LESS invested and involved than any of my other town games here (which, due to work and RL stuff I admit that I think I have been), but the fact that you argue that I am MORE invested than my other town games just adds to me thinking you are making this ***** up on the spot. Like you can't be reading the game and have read previous games of mine and be making that argument seriously. Show me how I'm more invested in this game than in my other town games.
@Bur - What did you see in iso'ing me that made you think you could agree with other people having a scum read on me? I'm struggling to see it and it's led me to believe that there has to be scum on my wagon, because there is nothing to it, so I'm curious what you think you see as scummy. You also asked me for reads, I'll do a slightly abbreviated reads list here off the top of my head, but have more to say still
Town
Hunger
DCIII - Looks like his town game to me and makes well thought out arguments. He does seem to be posting less than I feel like he usually does, but at this point I feel it would be hypocritical to call that scummy as I have had the same problem this game.
Antny223 - Has had a lot of similar reads to me, I think he townslipped early in the game, and while biased, he isn't buying into this nonsense wagon on me.
Lean Town
Bur - I don't feel like Bur has done much this game. Seems content to pretty much float, but does ask some good questions and again probably a bit of bias since he is in agreement that there isn't any great reasoning on my wagon.
Pending/Neutral
Rhand - Pretty null on Rhand right now, likely due to his lack of posting. I did think his vote hop to me was pretty bad, but he's not really at the forefront of people I want interaction from at the moment on my wagon.
Void - Not sure yet on Void, but maybe slightly leaning town due to Iso's read on him. His vote and reasoning on me is weak, and I will be addressing that later.
Lean Scum
ika42 - My read on him is super conflicted. He complains about not being able to interact with anyone and not being pushed, yet he ignores all my attempts to do say because my posts are fluff. Like, he isn't even trying to engage me while screaming he is frustrated that no one is engaging or challenging him. It's frustrating and part of me thinks he is scum and is doing it because my wagon has steam without him having to put in any effort, but part of me also thinks it would be dumb for scum to so blatantly avoid it and admit to being inconsistent and all over the place, and he is like one of the few people that actually reads as genuine to me in most of his posts. I am going to have to figure out how to get him to interact with me more.
emo_pinata - His vote on me feels opportunistic and I thought hawk was for sure scum yesterDay. I need to interact with him a bit and think about his role claim more.
Scum
CitricBase - Pretty weak vote on me and then just didn't interact with me when I called him on it originally. He was also towards the top of the scum reads yesterDay and he has just coasted through that toDay with little pressure. Also, I find his emotional response to Kam being lynched yesterDay a bit over the top. He goes on to state that Kam would not have been lynched had he had time to interact with him, but yet says he hasn't found his grimoire and hasn't done any analysis of the Kam wagon. It doesn't add up to me that he was so certain about Kam, but doesn't address it toDay to my recollection.
Seppel - Totally fabricating his reads and making ***** up as he goes, trying to look like he is doing stuff by going over the top on the searching stuff. Will have more on him later.
Unvote; Vote: Seppel
@everyone voting me - Just assume that you know I am town. In that world where you know I am town, who is scum and why?
==> looks bad for Seppel: classic distancing
==> if Seppel scum, emo and ika town, DCIII scum: scum usually don't put both teammates at the scum side of a T/S list
im just going to be more direct with you so its easier, and yes theres a direct line of reasoning for each question
-claim
-what do you think your power is
-do you know what my plan is
-if in event you are lynched what type of role do you want to target who
to expalin:
I want a protective to target XXX
I want a investigative (be specific) to target YYY
I want a (insert thing here) to target ZZZ
if anyone outside of hunger tries to answers this i will agro lynch them
1. John Hardin
Town
Shaman
Locked
2. Seeing as my class is Shaman and my character is appears to be one of the main storyline characters, I have been thinking that there is a good chance I am a protective role, probably a Doc of some sort.
3. I have no idea what your plan is.
4a. I would want a protective role to target Antny. He has been my top town read pretty much the whole game and if I end up misslynched it should add credence to my read. He also claimed to have unlocked his role so I think he would be a pretty good target for a NK.
4b. I would want a cop to target Citric. I think if I am lynched toDay, people will take my arguments more seriously and likely lead to pressure on Seppel and Citric. If Citric is town and Seppel is scum, Citric is a perfect counter wagon to Seppel and scums best chance at a misslynch in this circumstance. There is also a decent chance Citric is just scum and gets caught.
4c. If we have a tracker and emo is still around tonight I think he would be good target. He claimed to find his grimoire and there is also a decent chance he is scum. He will most likely be doing something tonight either way and I would like to hold him accountable for whatever that is.
==> Ika even townier for getting this info out of Hunger
==> He asks for a track on Emo at the end of the post ==> Emo town
Lastly, he tries to push the Emo lynch through last minute when he's going down himself.
==> Emo town
Conclusion:
Hunger is probably not scum with Emo and Ika, so it must be DCIII and Seppel.
If that's the case, Seppel did hardcore bus him though.
DCIII is a sure thing, Seppel very probable but somewhat less sure.
NOTE: Flavor scenes have been adapted directly from cutscenes from the source material. They are independent of all roles and night actions within this game.
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Votecount 5.1:
DCIII (1) - Rhand Rhand (1) - DCIII
Not voting: emo_pinata, ika42, Seppel
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With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
Friendly reminder: We are one week from the Day 5 deadline.
If you are not voting one of there people you are scum:
Seppel
emo_pinata
Rhand
Void
CitricBase
Hunger
Seriously, everyone place a vote on this list now. There is no point looking elsewhere when we know 1-2 scum are on guaranteed to be on this list. Even if you don't make it an official vote, you need to say "Of these people, I will vote <insert name here>" because if you don't have a scum read on this list then you are guaranteed to be wrong and need to reevaluate your reads this game.
I don't have good target on this list yet, but expect my vote to be one one of these people:
Rhand
Void
CitricBase
Hunger
Is this in regards to your votecount analysis? There's no explanation given. But since the Hunger wagon can't be stopped, EP posts this:
I take it back, a no lynch might make more sense. I can prove my ability overnight with Hunger and Citric and we will have the most information day 4 at LyLo instead of Day 3 LyLo.
Living it up to splitting votes between people is a lot riskier than unvote
He used my explanation of Kami's post as a good reason to call him scum for half a Day, and now when he rereads what I said about Kami, he simply says 'yep, nothing'.
Which means his reads are all fabricated.
vote: Hunger
And in fact, this shows that Rhand can't be scum. If he were, he would've quietly let the vote go to a tie instead of lynching one of his buddies! (Ok, there's like a 1% chance that he didn't notice that and voted anyway, but I don't think it's true.)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this proves that the scumteam is E_P/DC3.
If you are not voting one of there people you are scum:
Seppel
emo_pinata
Rhand
Void
CitricBase
Hunger
Seriously, everyone place a vote on this list now. There is no point looking elsewhere when we know 1-2 scum are on guaranteed to be on this list. Even if you don't make it an official vote, you need to say "Of these people, I will vote <insert name here>" because if you don't have a scum read on this list then you are guaranteed to be wrong and need to reevaluate your reads this game.
I don't have good target on this list yet, but expect my vote to be one one of these people:
Rhand
Void
CitricBase
Hunger
Is this in regards to your votecount analysis? There's no explanation given. But since the Hunger wagon can't be stopped, EP posts this:
I take it back, a no lynch might make more sense. I can prove my ability overnight with Hunger and Citric and we will have the most information day 4 at LyLo instead of Day 3 LyLo.
Living it up to splitting votes between people is a lot riskier than unvote
He used my explanation of Kami's post as a good reason to call him scum for half a Day, and now when he rereads what I said about Kami, he simply says 'yep, nothing'.
Which means his reads are all fabricated.
vote: Hunger
And in fact, this shows that Rhand can't be scum. If he were, he would've quietly let the vote go to a tie instead of lynching one of his buddies! (Ok, there's like a 1% chance that he didn't notice that and voted anyway, but I don't think it's true.)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this proves that the scumteam is E_P/DC3.
What about all the walls of text explaining why hunger is scum, and why DCIII was completely wrong about his approach to scum hunting?
I already explained my strategy for wanting a no lynch; you can believe me or not on that one. Hunger was literally textbook scum, I originally thought DCIII was just wrong in his defense of hunger but clearly it went deeper, and now you are the one overselling your contribution to Hunger's eventual deadline death. If anything, hunger's interactions and your posting proves that you, DCIII, or myself are the only possibilities for scum and you and I are pointing fingers at each other cementing that idea.
Emo: why have you been trying to get Seppel lynched over DCIII since yesterDay?
Seppel: how come you went from Rhand is scum yesterDay to Rhand can't be scum toDay based on info that was already there and often pointed out since Hunger's flip?
Emo: why have you been trying to get Seppel lynched over DCIII since yesterDay?
Seppel: how come you went from Rhand is scum yesterDay to Rhand can't be scum toDay based on info that was already there and often pointed out since Hunger's flip?
Because I am more sure Seppel is scum, but I think both are. I would hammer if ika vote DCIII
and this is why im not voting.
you put your vote down first. im not goign to be the one who ****s it up. im already stressed enough from this game as is and im not going to be the one to **** the entire endgame if you saw the last game i was here in the stupid lylo i was ******* pissed.
same thing with you seppi if your so convince throw down your vote.
both of you are being "im convinced but im not voting till ika does"
well news flash, im not voting and i will let this sink to deadline if you guys are going to wait on me to throw a vote it irritates me when people say "put your vote down i will hammer" you know it can be fliped the other way
I'm pretty sure Seppel is mafia after that. EP is town.
And something I noticed. Remember D3? No dead town, and Seppel saying it was since he RB'd EP, while Rhand claimed it was since he used his hiding that night. Also, Void said it might've been since he healed Seppel...
EP, did you get a message that you were RB'd that night? Because, Rhand claimed he got it even though he attempted to not do anything, if I recall it correctly?
And I'm pretty sure this whole theory of "Rhand is ascetic" is full of *****. If that were to be true, I'm pretty sure Seppel would've been informed that his RB failed...
I was informed that I have successfully used my ability twice.
DCIII (1) - Bur
Rhand (1) - DCIII
No Lynch (4) - ika42, emo_pinata, Rhand, Seppel,
Not voting: None
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As the soldiers and rogues who had come to the city made their way around, their investigations kept turning up more and more dark, disturbing secrets. Revelations about Leá Monde, its citizens, its history... and its powers.
Many had died for the cause already. Collectively, they decided to halt the violence for the time being. Each surviving visitor went about taking refuge for the night, and reflecting.
There was not much time left. Who is friend? Who is foe?
Day 4 has ended in a No Lynch.
It is now Night 4. Do not post in this thread until Day 5 starts.
All night actions must be submitted within 72 hours.
Sydney Losstarot investigates some runes carved into the walls of the Temple when a door swings open behind him. He smiles as he turns back and views the newcomer's face.
"So, you have tracked me down."
"That I have..." spoke the intruder. "The Riskbreaker is dead, Sydney, as are your machinations."
"Heh... so you believe me to have given up? There is no meaning in an incomplete death."
"What are you ranting about?"
Sydney faces the intruder.
"Yes, the Riskbreaker was the perfect one to rule this city of darkness. But he wasn't ready, sadly, and the time is nigh."
The intruder draws his sword.
"That weak-spirited vagrant? He had the unquestioning faith of a child!"
"Better a pious child than an iniquitous fiend."
The two begin slowly circling around each other. The intruder has clearly not entered on friendly terms. Sydney grins slyly, and uses his powers in an attempt to manipulate the mind of his adversary. He feels a shockwave jolt his body and staggers backward.
"Your powers hold no sway over me. Prepare yourself!"
Quickly, the intruder leaps into action and strikes Sydney in the chest with his fist. The prophet flies backward into a wall and slumps to the floor.
"Name me the successor and you yet may live!"
"You call the Riskbreaker a child, all the while deceiving yourself with a child's daydreams."
Sydney rises to a knee and points at his opponent's weapon.
"When will you learn? Your power is useless!"
The intruder looks down at his hand and sees the severed, bloody arm of Sir Tieger where he previously gripped his sword. Tricked by the illusion, he launches the weapon across the room. When it strikes the wall, he reacts in fury to the sound of metal against stone. In return, he delivers a crushing blow to Sydney's ribs with his boot.
"Name me the successor!!!"
"I name you 'worm'..."Sydney struggles, as he spits out blood. "...as you crawl through the dirt."
"I will be the successor, and I will carry on the legacy!"
As Sydney rises to his feet, the intruder chants in an unfamiliar language. He throws his arms out to his sides, and a pulse of energy radiates through the room. Sydney turns and realizes he is standing directly in front of a gigantic statue of the four-armed Kiltian god Kali. Before he has time to react, the statue comes to life... swinging an enormous broadsword directly down upon him. He is cut clean in half at the waist.
"You will not give me the city and its power... and thus I must take it."
With the self-proclaimed prophet now eviscerated, the intruder set to work.
Bur has been killed. He was Sydney Losstarot, Town 1-Shot Neutralizer.
You are Sydney Losstarot
"Most men complacently accept "knowledge" as "truth". They are sheep, ruled by fear."
You are a self-proclaimed prophet and leader of the Müllenkamp cult. Your bounding charisma and uncanny ability to read the pasts of others has garnered you a following of countless zealots who will follow you to the ends of the world. Your group seized the Duke's manor in the Greylands, but with far more wide-ranging intentions than any in Parliament could imagine. You have led the Riskbreaker, Ashley Riot, to Leá Monde for a purpose only known to you. Unfortunately, many others have followed, all with differing interests in the dark powers the city holds...
Alignment: Town
Class: Warlock
Role: Locked
Your win condition is to eliminate all members of the Mafia.
To unlock your role, you must search the city of Leá Monde for your Grimoire. You may move to a new location each Day phase, and you may move at any time (including Twilight). You will search that location upon arrival. Based upon information your followers have gathered, you have ascertained that your Grimoire is located in an area where the sounds of rushing water can be heard nearby.
Please confirm via PM. Good luck!
Forbidden spell of instant death.
Temporarily stops target from using magic.
You are now Sydney Losstarot, Town 1-shot Neutralizer
"Most men complacently accept "knowledge" as "truth". They are sheep, ruled by fear."
You are a self-proclaimed prophet and leader of the Müllenkamp cult. Your bounding charisma and uncanny ability to read the pasts of others has garnered you a following of countless zealots who will follow you to the ends of the world. Your group seized the Duke's manor in the Greylands, but with far more wide-ranging intentions than any in Parliament could imagine. You have led the Riskbreaker, Ashley Riot, to Leá Monde for a purpose only known to you. Unfortunately, many others have followed, all with differing interests in the dark powers the city holds...
Alignment: Town
Class: Warlock
Role: Unlocked
Your win condition is to eliminate all members of the Mafia.
You have the following abilities:
Banish: During night, you may submit the name of a target player via PM. That player will be killed.
Silence: During night, you may submit the name of a target player via PM. That player will lose any and all abilities they have unlocked for the remainder of the game. Note: This action will fail if the target has not yet found their Grimoire.
Important note: You are a true 1-shot role, and may only choose to use one ability one time.
Choose wisely!
It is now Day 5.
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
Day 5 Deadline: Thursday, February 5 @ 4:00pm
* SPECIAL NOTE: Per Gameplay Rule #10, now that we have less than 6 players remaining, any future night periods will be shortened to 48 hours.
Looks like this game is due for a reread.
At least everyone has the roleblock flavor now?
I'm still thinking Seppel should be today's lynch.
Seppel not hammering me Yesterday means he's conf Town and Emo saying that Seppel should be the Day's lynch without commenting on other stuff is off. If he thinks Seppel is scum then he'd have to think I was also scum because Seppel didn't hammer me, but he has a preference to lynch Seppel and doesn't give thoughts on anyone else, so he's still trying to see who is up for a Seppel lynch, including me. Ika couldn't have made the kill unless Seppel is lying and Seppel and Ika can't be scum together or else I'd be dead and the game would be over. If it was Emo and Ika then Rhand would have been dead Yesterday.
Emo was trying to lobby me on Seppel in the neighbor chat despite the fact that pairing doesn't make sense with Rhand and I told him that but he brushed of my reasoning because of Killjoy's motivation but never elaborated on why when I asked him (and the reasoning I gave him had to do with the Night prior, not the Night Seppel got motivated), because he was trying to change my mind on Seppel without having to change my mind on Rhand.
Vote: Rhand
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Can everyone list their name and class in their next post please?
So literally nothing about my behavior at all. I'm surprised you can even post that with a straight face.
* I organized us to get all of our grimoires.
* I started the Hunger wagon and saw it to completion. Hunger wasn't even a question at the time. Please, if you can come up with some sort of scum motivation for that, I'd love to hear it.
I don't even see how you can believe that you could push a wagon on me when it's pretty much impossible for me to be scum.
Is this in regards to your votecount analysis? There's no explanation given. But since the Hunger wagon can't be stopped, EP posts this:
Well crap my baby is awake.
Everyone remembers how D2 ended. EP went weird and tried to get off the hunger wagon in the very end because it was HUNGER or HIM.
And if he unvoted Hunger then they would be tied and there would be no lynch.
I'm not certain that Rhand is scum any more. But entertain me for a tic: if Rhand is scum, who does that make the final bad guy, from your point of view?
DC who did you protect?
Pretty please?
Ika, I protected you because of the way Yesterday ended.
Emo, I claimed my elite contingent Yesterday. And you were trying to steer toward Seppel and were asking about thoughts on Seppel, and I said that I was confident that Rhand was scum and that they couldn't be scum together unless they intentionally didn't kill N2. And then you said you were more confident in Seppel and if you were me, you'd suspect you over Rhand and also said that Seppel and Rhand weren't a dichotomy and when I asked you to explain that more because it didn't make sense, you didn't.
Sep, why second thoughts on Rhand?
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
This was never, ever said. Not even close. Not even a little. I quoted what I said about Seppel and Rhand in the chat. Here I reiterate again: The early dichotomy is between you and Rhand when you both claimed to be roleblocked.
Is there a reason we want to hold off voting? I'm trying to be patient after iji.
How can you justify a scum Ika?
I claimed like forever ago. Jan Rosencrantz, Warlock.
The way E_P isn't using any behavior analysis yet has come up with specific teams, including Rhand/Ika, is mindboggling.
In other words, I'm pretty sure it's E_P and one of you/Rhand.
The reason I'm asking names: I read the flavor last Night and the flavor scenes clearly show my ability.
I'm going to read through the scenes again and look if everything claimed matches it.
Why are you looking at flavor instead of analyzing behavior?
Because I got suspicious of you for the way you ended the Day and less of Ika after he didn't lurk hammer me, and I figured if I was right that ika would be the target.
That post you quoted said that at least one of Seppel and Rhand were scum, meaning that it was possible that both were, and then you tried to get us interested in the Seppel lynch... and my response to you was that Seppel and Rhand couldn't be scum together unless they intentionally no killed on N2, so I didn't think it was Seppel and I wanted your thoughts on my Rhand case. Then you said you already said it was Seppel OR Rhand (which you didn't you said it was at least Seppel or Rhand) and that Seppel got motivated so the dichotomy isn't correct - which was entirely in the context of the discussion on whether Seppel and Rhand could be scum together because that's why I was objecting to a scum Seppel. Then when I asked you about why the dichotomy wasn't true, you didn't respond. Why would you have been talking about me and Rhand being a dichotomy there? That doesn't make any sense because I was responding to you asking if either of us were willing to join a Seppel wagon and trying to get you to engage on my Rhand points.
@Ika - tell me I'm not going crazy on the above.
But, I'm letting you distract me from my main point of #1820 which was that you opened the day saying that you thought Seppel was the best person to lynch without offering any other thoughts and if you were trying to solve the game, you'd have to think I was scum with Seppel because you'd know that Seppel didn't hammer me. Your sole focus on him shows that your mindset wasn't trying to put the game together as a whole because that would be the conclusion you'd have to make. You were still trying to keep your doors open to convince me because last you'd seen I thought you were Town, but it doesn't make sense if you actually thought Seppel was scum and you were trying to figure out who his buddy was.
Ika and Sep - It's Rhand and Emo.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
DCIII claimed a third name that didn't go to the city in the opening flavor.
His ability doesn't make sense with the character he claimed: the duke as bodyguard?
Which probably means I'm wrong about the falseclaims. He could've claimed Hardin and that would've made total sense as BG.
He's clearly true claiming his name and class (he's my father and I am shaman too), but not his ability. He's also still a dichotomy with Taredas.
Flavorwise it also makes lots of sense for him to be scum: why else would the Mullenkamp have raided his mansion and taken his son from him? The son they now protect?
You know who else should be scum flavorwise? The guy sent by the duke to fetch his son again. Seppel.
Behavior wise: I know DCIII is scum because of dichotomies. His interactions with Hawk Day 1 were clearly scum on town. Which makes Emo town. Ika interactions with DCIII (actually DCIII towards Ika) point to scum on town too: scum doesn't claim to protect other scum without reason. He also calls you 'Ika and Sep' when trying to convince you to lynch me and Emo. He's trying to convince Ika and tags you on.
show me why the other is scum by using quotes, interactions, and posts. I dont want to hear about the role, how it makes someone else town, or stuff like that.
show me quote that have the scum in it, show me their interactions (or lack of) with hunger.
you guys can bicker all day about role and behavior and crap like that. but i read it and hear "WORDWORDWORDWORD" and its not going to sway me. others it might but not me right now
The above are Hunger testing the waters for a Hawk lynch. He wouldn't do that with a scumbuddy.
==> Emo town
Hunger makes long posts so I'll quote them in spoilers from here on.
==> looks bad for Seppel
==> if Seppel scum, emo and ika town, DCIII scum: scum usually don't put both teammates at the scum side of a T/S list
==> He asks for a track on Emo at the end of the post ==> Emo town
Lastly, he tries to push the Emo lynch through last minute when he's going down himself.
==> Emo town
Conclusion:
Hunger is probably not scum with Emo and Ika, so it must be DCIII and Seppel.
If that's the case, Seppel did hardcore bus him though.
DCIII is a sure thing, Seppel very probable but somewhat less sure.
vote DCIII
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Votecount 5.1:
DCIII (1) - Rhand
Rhand (1) - DCIII
Not voting: emo_pinata, ika42, Seppel
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With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
Friendly reminder: We are one week from the Day 5 deadline.
Here's where EP unvotes Hunger, using math instead of behavioral analysis:
It puts the votecount here:
And then here's Hunger's vote to attempt to tie:
But 2 hours previously, Rhand shakes up the vote:
And in fact, this shows that Rhand can't be scum. If he were, he would've quietly let the vote go to a tie instead of lynching one of his buddies! (Ok, there's like a 1% chance that he didn't notice that and voted anyway, but I don't think it's true.)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this proves that the scumteam is E_P/DC3.
I already explained my strategy for wanting a no lynch; you can believe me or not on that one. Hunger was literally textbook scum, I originally thought DCIII was just wrong in his defense of hunger but clearly it went deeper, and now you are the one overselling your contribution to Hunger's eventual deadline death. If anything, hunger's interactions and your posting proves that you, DCIII, or myself are the only possibilities for scum and you and I are pointing fingers at each other cementing that idea.
Seppel: how come you went from Rhand is scum yesterDay to Rhand can't be scum toDay based on info that was already there and often pointed out since Hunger's flip?
Because I'm actually paying attention now.
and this is why im not voting.
you put your vote down first. im not goign to be the one who ****s it up. im already stressed enough from this game as is and im not going to be the one to **** the entire endgame if you saw the last game i was here in the stupid lylo i was ******* pissed.
both of you are being "im convinced but im not voting till ika does"
well news flash, im not voting and i will let this sink to deadline if you guys are going to wait on me to throw a vote it irritates me when people say "put your vote down i will hammer" you know it can be fliped the other way
Still willing to vote DCIII