Ok guys, on what planet do you see a scum motivator?
My notes are chain of thought, so I was moving people up and down based on posts as I got to them, so IDK how you think they don't match Rhand.
Nice OMGUS though.
Feel free to back up your statement with facts, which you can't because I don't think you believe what you're saying.
@Citric: If you read my notes (I doubt you did) you'll see I have legit suspicion of Seppel, not OMGUS. OMGUS is when you maliciously attack someone for attacking you, and tends not to have too much evidence support.
If you wanna see OMGUS, see Rhand's vote above in 1509.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You keep repeating how scummy Hawk was and yet you put Emo in your sure town list when the Hunger interactions seem to point that way.
At the same time you say I am probably town for Hunger interactions, and yet I am 'your strongest read' for scum?
That makes no sense at all. Your read on me comes out of thin air.
I said I may have been wrong about hawk for Hunger interactions. Hunger bent over backwards to want him dead. Hardcore bussing like that just doesn't happen. Also, scum neighborizers don't happen.
Actually... I'm reconsidering my scumread on Hawk. Hunger was all up in his ass D1, which seems like too much bussing.]
And you're there because I believe there's scum in the three protective roles. And I trust Void and DCIII way more than you.So, that's why you're there. I believe that's more likely than your vote on Hunger clearing you because I trust my experience with setups my judgement of someone's behavior. See here:
EP's thing about a hider as well makes sense. I forgot that hider was psudoprotective. I think of the 3, Rhand is scum
Thinking on it, we should limit who goes to the Undercity with EP. We want as little as possible to lesen the likelyhood of a roleblocker in there, but we want to maximize how many trusted people are there at the same time. Who all is going there?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Seppel - what about Emo's behavior at the end of Yesterday didn't you like?
The fact that he was so motivated to make the day end in no-lynch. If both he and Hunger are scum, he'd want to push for a no-lynch in the towniest way possible. And it felt so off.
I echo my request for evidence, Seppel.
And that game is ridiculiously high powered. One of the scum was a Supersaint/1shot Vig/Traitor turned Strongman. How is that comparable to this game, where everyone is apperently a standard mafia role of some sort, instead of like 3 roles?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Ok guys, on what planet do you see a scum motivator?
My notes are chain of thought, so I was moving people up and down based on posts as I got to them, so IDK how you think they don't match Rhand.
Nice OMGUS though.
Feel free to back up your statement with facts, which you can't because I don't think you believe what you're saying.
@Citric: If you read my notes (I doubt you did) you'll see I have legit suspicion of Seppel, not OMGUS. OMGUS is when you maliciously attack someone for attacking you, and tends not to have too much evidence support.
If you wanna see OMGUS, see Rhand's vote above in 1509.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I said I may have been wrong about hawk for Hunger interactions. Hunger bent over backwards to want him dead. Hardcore bussing like that just doesn't happen. Also, scum neighborizers don't happen.
Actually... I'm reconsidering my scumread on Hawk. Hunger was all up in his ass D1, which seems like too much bussing.]
And you're there because I believe there's scum in the three protective roles. And I trust Void and DCIII way more than you.So, that's why you're there. I believe that's more likely than your vote on Hunger clearing you because I trust my experience with setups my judgement of someone's behavior. See here:
EP's thing about a hider as well makes sense. I forgot that hider was psudoprotective. I think of the 3, Rhand is scum
Thinking on it, we should limit who goes to the Undercity with EP. We want as little as possible to lesen the likelyhood of a roleblocker in there, but we want to maximize how many trusted people are there at the same time. Who all is going there?
So my behavior is town, but I'm scum because you trust setup analysis more... And yet Void and Dc3 are town because... Why? You trust their behavior more than setup analysis?
and what happened to you saying doc and bodyguard shouldn't exist together before you knew about the hider?
Oh and scum neighbourizers do happen. RtR mafia - Cantripmancer.
If you are not voting someone on this list, then you're not going in the right direction. Let's keep our lynches on a logical path.
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Seppel has been a town read for me tit to tail, and the only thing I have against him is a roleblocker claim. It always deserve a deeper look and I need to get to it. Also, proposing and acting in a massclaim "first" only to withhold role information is lame.
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Rhand is one of the two that I would even consider lynching today. I know that he could have bussed Hunger, but in a fractured town and impending deadlines a mislynch or no lynch would have been easy to pursue.
Void claimed vanilla protection both nights with no other role information. Against Rhand claiming hider and DCIII claiming a sort of complicated bodyguard with some hidden information it hints at one of the three lying, and Rhand claimed with little provocation trying to say he thought he stopped the kill. I also don't like his lingering on the Hunger wagon while shopping DCIII's Citric wagon.
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Citric honestly I'm fine giving Citric another day to prove something.
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Other thoughts
Antny/KJ there are a few post of Antny's I liked, KJ's summary was on the lower end of the quality scale but you can see his logic in the pieces. I don't see the obv scum part of it, but I can see it as being OMGUSy. I don't see a motivator being scum.
ika is a wildcard, but I'm not concerned about him but he waivers violently between being engaged and trying things and posting just to post. I feel his disinterest due to being town is legit and his role helps too.
DCIII I find to be making emotional but well intentioned decisions that would be impossible to fake. I also think his role is the only one I truly believe between the protection roles.
Bur reads as scum to me, but for that to be true his vig shot must be a lie. I am willing to let Bur take a shot in the night, but it should be into a pool decided by the town before nightfall.
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The reason this game has been sucking:
DCIII - 46 (3% of the total posts)
Bur - 66 (4% of the total posts)
Void - 70 (5% of the total posts)
Rhand - 79 (5% of the total posts)
That is half the remaining players.
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Next steps
Rhand or Void should be today's lynch. If I was super lazy I would say lynch Rhand and vig Void to hit multiple birds with a single stone, but I don't see scum Rhand despite the claim that I have used a lot as scum (it was even my first scum ability IIRC).
unvote, vote Void
This is a difficult push, but I cannot express how powerful the intersection of a Venn Diagram showing "overlapping claims", "rushed townie lynch voters", and "low activity" can be.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Wagon analysis.
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Colors: flipped scum is red. Flipped town is blue. I am purple.
I colored emo light blue because the wagon analysis clearly clears him.
No time for more now, but posting this already for easy reference.
@DCIII
Link me the posts so that I can find them easier. I'm too lazy right now to go back and find them.
@Killjoy
Rhand called out DCIII's play in a way that would only bring attention to himself in a negative way if DCIII flips Town. Either Rhand is using a similar tactic to what he did against me in a previous game, where I was Scum and got lynched on late Day 1, and is Town or Rhand is Scum trying a similar ploy to get a strong Townie lynched at the cost his life to help better is team chances.
Rhand called out DCIII's play in a way that would only bring attention to himself in a negative way if DCIII flips Town. Either Rhand is using a similar tactic to what he did against me in a previous game, where I was Scum and got lynched on late Day 1, and is Town or Rhand is Scum trying a similar ploy to get a strong Townie lynched at the cost his life to help better is team chances.
... but would Rhand do that?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of Rhand atm, but would Rhand self-sacrifice himself in a mini, where one mafia has been killed already?
Unless there is more than 3 mafia in this game, that would put the mafia on really thin ice...
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@Killjoy
Rhand called out DCIII's play in a way that would only bring attention to himself in a negative way if DCIII flips Town. Either Rhand is using a similar tactic to what he did against me in a previous game, where I was Scum and got lynched on late Day 1, and is Town or Rhand is Scum trying a similar ploy to get a strong Townie lynched at the cost his life to help better is team chances.
Can you name the game, or is it ongoing? Also your wording is awkward here. So Rhand used a 'tactic' where he put himself out there in a way where he would take heat from DCIII being town, if he is... or he's scum trying to emulate that type of play? Is that correct?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I would not. I have never been lynched as Mafia in my whole career. I would not even think about sacrificing myself and break that streak.
I do believe this. Rhand is proud of his lynchless streak as mafia. He wouldn't throw it away if he could help it unless it was necessary for the scum teams survival, I would think.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Wagon analysis continued.
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(Colors: flipped scum is red. Flipped town is blue. I am purple.
I colored emo light blue because the wagon analysis clearly clears him.)
Hunger had her vote on town the whole Day1 (assuming I'm right about emo).
I think it's quite safe to assume the same is true Day2. Therefor coloring Ika and Seppel light blue as well.
Citric and Void look pretty good for sticking to the Hunger wagon Day 2. Coloring them light blue too.
Things of note:
Never on a lynch wagon: DCIII, Bur, KillJoy, ika42 (should hold at least 1 scum)
The Hunger lynch happened while it could've easily turned into a no-lynch if someone voted emo after I voted Hunger. Posted between my vote + Hunger's emo vote and deadline and thus able to change the outcome: only emo and logically he didn't selfvote. Meh. Nothing there.
Last 2 scum should be in the {DCIII, Bur, KillJoy} cluster.
CitricBase (1) - DCIII
Killjoy (2) - Seppel, CitricBase
Rhand (1) - ika42
Seppel (1) - Killjoy
Not voting: Bur, emo_pinata, Rhand, Void
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With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
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unvote, vote KillJoy
Your placement of people in the T/S list doesn't match your notes. At all.
In other news, Ika is indeed town.
And DCIII is still scum.
My notes are chain of thought, so I was moving people up and down based on posts as I got to them, so IDK how you think they don't match Rhand.
Nice OMGUS though.
Feel free to back up your statement with facts, which you can't because I don't think you believe what you're saying.
@Citric: If you read my notes (I doubt you did) you'll see I have legit suspicion of Seppel, not OMGUS. OMGUS is when you maliciously attack someone for attacking you, and tends not to have too much evidence support.
If you wanna see OMGUS, see Rhand's vote above in 1509.
At the same time you say I am probably town for Hunger interactions, and yet I am 'your strongest read' for scum?
That makes no sense at all. Your read on me comes out of thin air.
And you're there because I believe there's scum in the three protective roles. And I trust Void and DCIII way more than you.So, that's why you're there. I believe that's more likely than your vote on Hunger clearing you because I trust my experience with setups my judgement of someone's behavior. See here:
Thinking on it, we should limit who goes to the Undercity with EP. We want as little as possible to lesen the likelyhood of a roleblocker in there, but we want to maximize how many trusted people are there at the same time. Who all is going there?
Holy crap dude they're literally 10 posts above yours (with the exception that I wrote redirector instead of motivator for you).
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/446783-doha-mafia-the-winds-of-change-game-over
I found 1 game with a mafia motivator and 4 games with a town motivator.
I prefer old-fashioned behavioral evidence rather than playing follow-the-power-role. He's incredibly obvious scum.
The fact that he was so motivated to make the day end in no-lynch. If both he and Hunger are scum, he'd want to push for a no-lynch in the towniest way possible. And it felt so off.
Did you answer this: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/576290-vagrant-story-mafia-day-3-running-with-the-wolves?comment=1440
And that game is ridiculiously high powered. One of the scum was a Supersaint/1shot Vig/Traitor turned Strongman. How is that comparable to this game, where everyone is apperently a standard mafia role of some sort, instead of like 3 roles?
I wanna read that game though. Looks fun.
Seppel is a full roleblocker?
Void is a full doc?
Is everything else is limited by shots?
Please quote your initial request.
In the case that void or I are limited by shots, I think it is best to not claim our number of shots.
Please quote where you asked for evidence.
The only thing Killjoy is saying in defense of everything is "my role is generally a town role."
So my behavior is town, but I'm scum because you trust setup analysis more... And yet Void and Dc3 are town because... Why? You trust their behavior more than setup analysis?
and what happened to you saying doc and bodyguard shouldn't exist together before you knew about the hider?
Oh and scum neighbourizers do happen. RtR mafia - Cantripmancer.
If you are not voting someone on this list, then you're not going in the right direction. Let's keep our lynches on a logical path.
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Seppel has been a town read for me tit to tail, and the only thing I have against him is a roleblocker claim. It always deserve a deeper look and I need to get to it. Also, proposing and acting in a massclaim "first" only to withhold role information is lame.
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Rhand is one of the two that I would even consider lynching today. I know that he could have bussed Hunger, but in a fractured town and impending deadlines a mislynch or no lynch would have been easy to pursue.
Void claimed vanilla protection both nights with no other role information. Against Rhand claiming hider and DCIII claiming a sort of complicated bodyguard with some hidden information it hints at one of the three lying, and Rhand claimed with little provocation trying to say he thought he stopped the kill. I also don't like his lingering on the Hunger wagon while shopping DCIII's Citric wagon.
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Citric honestly I'm fine giving Citric another day to prove something.
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Other thoughts
Antny/KJ there are a few post of Antny's I liked, KJ's summary was on the lower end of the quality scale but you can see his logic in the pieces. I don't see the obv scum part of it, but I can see it as being OMGUSy. I don't see a motivator being scum.
ika is a wildcard, but I'm not concerned about him but he waivers violently between being engaged and trying things and posting just to post. I feel his disinterest due to being town is legit and his role helps too.
DCIII I find to be making emotional but well intentioned decisions that would be impossible to fake. I also think his role is the only one I truly believe between the protection roles.
Bur reads as scum to me, but for that to be true his vig shot must be a lie. I am willing to let Bur take a shot in the night, but it should be into a pool decided by the town before nightfall.
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The reason this game has been sucking:
DCIII - 46 (3% of the total posts)
Bur - 66 (4% of the total posts)
Void - 70 (5% of the total posts)
Rhand - 79 (5% of the total posts)
That is half the remaining players.
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Next steps
Rhand or Void should be today's lynch. If I was super lazy I would say lynch Rhand and vig Void to hit multiple birds with a single stone, but I don't see scum Rhand despite the claim that I have used a lot as scum (it was even my first scum ability IIRC).
unvote, vote Void
This is a difficult push, but I cannot express how powerful the intersection of a Venn Diagram showing "overlapping claims", "rushed townie lynch voters", and "low activity" can be.
unvote, vote Rhand
In the all too likely chance Rhand is town, Bur should vig Void.
unvote, vote DCIII
He's the scum in the protective trio.
And I'm building up a case on Seppel/ME. It'll have to happen slowly because my life is hectic.
I'll wait till the VC to vote Rhand.
I think Seppel and emo can't be scum with Hunger. Citric also seems unlikely.
DCIII looks really bad for keeping on repeating that Hunger is town.
And Hunger kept repeating that Antny (KillJoy) townslipped.
Pretty sure those two are scum.
Don't vig Void please if you lynch me. That would give scum free reign at Night.
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Colors: flipped scum is red. Flipped town is blue. I am purple.
I colored emo light blue because the wagon analysis clearly clears him.
No time for more now, but posting this already for easy reference.
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (1) - Antny223 (KillJoy)
Bur (1) - 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
ika42 (2) - DCIII, Void
Iso (2) - ika42, Rhand
mirrorentity (Seppel) (2) - KamikazeArchon, Bur
Rhand (1) - mirrorentity (Seppel)
Not voting: CitricBase, Hunger, Iso
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (1) - DCIII
CitricBase (1) - 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
Hunger (1) - Void
ika42 (1) - KamikazeArchon
Iso (2) - ika42, Rhand
KamikazeArchon (1) - Iso
mirrorentity (Seppel) (2) - Bur, Antny223 (KillJoy)
Rhand (2) - mirrorentity (Seppel), CitricBase
Not voting: Hunger
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (3) - DCIII, Antny223 (KillJoy), Void
Iso (4) - ika42, Rhand, KamikazeArchon, 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
KamikazeArchon (2) - Iso, Hunger
Seppel (1) - Bur
Rhand (1) - CitricBase
Not voting: Seppel
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (5) - DCIII, Antny223 (KillJoy), Void, CitricBase, Iso
CitricBase (1) - Seppel
Iso (4) - ika42, Rhand, KamikazeArchon, 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
KamikazeArchon (1) - Hunger
Seppel (1) - Bur
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (5) - DCIII, Antny223 (KillJoy), Void, CitricBase, Iso
Iso (3) - ika42, Rhand, KamikazeArchon
KamikazeArchon (3) - Hunger, Seppel, 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
Seppel (1) - Bur
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (3) - DCIII, Antny223 (KillJoy), Iso
CitricBase (1) - Void
DCIII (1) - CitricBase
Iso (2) - ika42, KamikazeArchon
KamikazeArchon (4) - Hunger, Seppel, 7hawk77 (emo_pinata), Rhand
Seppel (1) - Bur
This is why emo is town: Hunger jumped from a juicy wagon on town (Kami) to the Hawk wagon. No point in doing that if Hawk was scum.
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (5) - DCIII, Iso, Bur, Hunger, Antny223 (KillJoy)
CitricBase (1) - KamikazeArchon
DCIII (1) - CitricBase
Iso (1) - ika42
KamikazeArchon (4) - Seppel, 7hawk77 (emo_pinata), Rhand, Void
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (2) - Bur, Antny223 (KillJoy)
CitricBase (2) - KamikazeArchon, DCIII
Iso (1) - ika42
KamikazeArchon (7) - Seppel, 7hawk77 (emo_pinata), Rhand, Void, CitricBase, Hunger, Iso
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CitricBase (2) - Void, Antny223 (KillJoy)
DCIII (1) - 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
ika42 (2) - Rhand, DCIII
Seppel (1) - ika42
Void (1) - Seppel
Not voting: Bur, CitricBase, Hunger
CitricBase (1) - Void
DCIII (1) - 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
Hunger (3) - CitricBase, Seppel, ika42
ika42 (3) - Rhand, DCIII, Hunger
Seppel (1) - Antny223 (KillJoy)
Not voting: Bur
CitricBase (1) - DCIII
DCIII (1) - 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
Hunger (2) - CitricBase, Void
ika42 (1) - Hunger
Seppel (1) - Antny223 (KillJoy)
Not voting: Bur, Seppel, Rhand, ika42
CitricBase (1) - DCIII
Hunger (4) - CitricBase, Void, ika42, emo_pinata
Seppel (2) - Antny223 (KillJoy), Hunger
Not voting: Bur, Seppel, Rhand
CitricBase (1) - DCIII
Hunger (4) - Void, emo_pinata, ika42, Seppel
Seppel (2) - Antny223 (KillJoy), Hunger
Not voting: Bur, Rhand, CitricBase
CitricBase (1) - DCIII
emo_pinata (2) - Bur, ika42
Hunger (3) - Void, Seppel, CitricBase
Seppel (2) - Antny223 (KillJoy), Hunger
Not voting: Rhand, emo_pinata
CitricBase (1) - DCIII
emo_pinata (3) - Bur, ika42, Hunger
Hunger (4) - Void, Seppel, CitricBase, Rhand
Seppel (2) - Antny223 (KillJoy)
Link me the posts so that I can find them easier. I'm too lazy right now to go back and find them.
@Killjoy
Rhand called out DCIII's play in a way that would only bring attention to himself in a negative way if DCIII flips Town. Either Rhand is using a similar tactic to what he did against me in a previous game, where I was Scum and got lynched on late Day 1, and is Town or Rhand is Scum trying a similar ploy to get a strong Townie lynched at the cost his life to help better is team chances.
... but would Rhand do that?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of Rhand atm, but would Rhand self-sacrifice himself in a mini, where one mafia has been killed already?
Unless there is more than 3 mafia in this game, that would put the mafia on really thin ice...
@Anyone: I don't recall Seppel shifting gears on Bur ever. Is there a gradual progression I missed, or is Seppel 100% full of ***** here? Can you name the game, or is it ongoing? Also your wording is awkward here. So Rhand used a 'tactic' where he put himself out there in a way where he would take heat from DCIII being town, if he is... or he's scum trying to emulate that type of play? Is that correct?
Also, you're a full doc, right?
One question: Is anyone here familiar with Hunger? Is he how experienced in mafia, exactly?
Not counting you.
Void probably is most experienced after KJ and Seppel.
Oookay... more rereading for me...
Doesn't matter since: 1)He's dead 2)He was town
That was my read on like D1, maybe early D2.
You really haven't read the game. Or you're not bothering. Because that's something you could easily ISO me and find out.
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(Colors: flipped scum is red. Flipped town is blue. I am purple.
I colored emo light blue because the wagon analysis clearly clears him.)
Hunger had her vote on town the whole Day1 (assuming I'm right about emo).
I think it's quite safe to assume the same is true Day2. Therefor coloring Ika and Seppel light blue as well.
Citric and Void look pretty good for sticking to the Hunger wagon Day 2. Coloring them light blue too.
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (1) - Antny223 (KillJoy)
Bur (1) - 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
ika42 (2) - DCIII, Void
Iso (2) - ika42, Rhand
mirrorentity (Seppel) (2) - KamikazeArchon, Bur
Rhand (1) - mirrorentity (Seppel)
Not voting: CitricBase, Hunger, Iso
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (1) - DCIII
CitricBase (1) - 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
Hunger (1) - Void
ika42 (1) - KamikazeArchon
Iso (2) - ika42, Rhand
KamikazeArchon (1) - Iso
mirrorentity (Seppel) (2) - Bur, Antny223 (KillJoy)
Rhand (2) - mirrorentity (Seppel), CitricBase
Not voting: Hunger
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (3) - DCIII, Antny223 (KillJoy), Void
Iso (4) - ika42, Rhand, KamikazeArchon, 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
KamikazeArchon (2) - Iso, Hunger
Seppel (1) - Bur
Rhand (1) - CitricBase
Not voting: Seppel
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (5) - DCIII, Antny223 (KillJoy), Void, CitricBase, Iso
CitricBase (1) - Seppel
Iso (4) - ika42, Rhand, KamikazeArchon, 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
KamikazeArchon (1) - Hunger
Seppel (1) - Bur
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (5) - DCIII, Antny223 (KillJoy), Void, CitricBase, Iso
Iso (3) - ika42, Rhand, KamikazeArchon
KamikazeArchon (3) - Hunger, Seppel, 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
Seppel (1) - Bur
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (3) - DCIII, Antny223 (KillJoy), Iso
CitricBase (1) - Void
DCIII (1) - CitricBase
Iso (2) - ika42, KamikazeArchon
KamikazeArchon (4) - Hunger, Seppel, 7hawk77 (emo_pinata), Rhand
Seppel (1) - Bur
This is why emo is town: Hunger jumped from a juicy wagon on town (Kami) to the Hawk wagon. No point in doing that if Hawk was scum.
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (5) - DCIII, Iso, Bur, Hunger, Antny223 (KillJoy)
CitricBase (1) - KamikazeArchon
DCIII (1) - CitricBase
Iso (1) - ika42
KamikazeArchon (4) - Seppel, 7hawk77 (emo_pinata), Rhand, Void
7hawk77 (emo_pinata) (2) - Bur, Antny223 (KillJoy)
CitricBase (2) - KamikazeArchon, DCIII
Iso (1) - ika42
KamikazeArchon (7) - Seppel, 7hawk77 (emo_pinata), Rhand, Void, CitricBase, Hunger, Iso
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CitricBase (2) - Void, Antny223 (KillJoy)
DCIII (1) - 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
ika42 (2) - Rhand, DCIII
Seppel (1) - ika42
Void (1) - Seppel
Not voting: Bur, CitricBase, Hunger
CitricBase (1) - Void
DCIII (1) - 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
Hunger (3) - CitricBase, Seppel, ika42
ika42 (3) - Rhand, DCIII, Hunger
Seppel (1) - Antny223 (KillJoy)
Not voting: Bur
CitricBase (1) - DCIII
DCIII (1) - 7hawk77 (emo_pinata)
Hunger (2) - CitricBase, Void
ika42 (1) - Hunger
Seppel (1) - Antny223 (KillJoy)
Not voting: Bur, Seppel, Rhand, ika42
CitricBase (1) - DCIII
Hunger (4) - CitricBase, Void, ika42, emo_pinata
Seppel (2) - Antny223 (KillJoy), Hunger
Not voting: Bur, Seppel, Rhand
CitricBase (1) - DCIII
Hunger (4) - Void, emo_pinata, ika42, Seppel
Seppel (2) - Antny223 (KillJoy), Hunger
Not voting: Bur, Rhand, CitricBase
CitricBase (1) - DCIII
emo_pinata (2) - Bur, ika42
Hunger (3) - Void, Seppel, CitricBase
Seppel (2) - Antny223 (KillJoy), Hunger
Not voting: Rhand, emo_pinata
CitricBase (1) - DCIII
emo_pinata (3) - Bur, ika42, Hunger
Hunger (4) - Void, Seppel, CitricBase, Rhand
Seppel (2) - Antny223 (KillJoy)
Things of note:
Never on a lynch wagon: DCIII, Bur, KillJoy, ika42 (should hold at least 1 scum)
The Hunger lynch happened while it could've easily turned into a no-lynch if someone voted emo after I voted Hunger. Posted between my vote + Hunger's emo vote and deadline and thus able to change the outcome: only emo and logically he didn't selfvote. Meh. Nothing there.
Last 2 scum should be in the {DCIII, Bur, KillJoy} cluster.