i also want to try to cordinate actions of locations scince everything is location based to optimiaze us i think i can break the game by roles alone right now
Sorry guys... as you can probably tell, I haven't checked this game since Friday afternoon. I went to my work Christmas party Friday night, the Kentucky-North Carolina basketball game yesterday afternoon and then my wife's work Christmas party last night, so I haven't had time.
I'll get to all the necessary housekeeping, post a votecount, and do prod checks shortly.
I need to share a location with at least 2 people for my ability to be confirmed. I have not payed much attention to the mechanics of the game, so just let me know where I need to be.
@Seppel: I'll let you know, after I finish rereading. Probably tomorrow evening, I have exams tomorrow and won't probably get any more reading done today.
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@ika: Like I said earlier, when Hunger flipped mafia, it made me doubt my reads (since I townread Hunger) and require re-evaluate my townreads in light of that flip. Also, since I hadn't had managed to finish rereading when N2 was about to end, I decided not use my only shot.
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I have no idea what to make of these claims. We have a billion ways to stop nightkills, plus a vig and a neighborizer.
let me deal with that...
after we finish the claim game we can orchestrate who targets who...
current locations:
cirtus: undercity
people who work based on location
DC
emo
rhand
the main thing i want is DC/emo to have a set loaction and set players to work out i found something funny so i wan tthem to move latter after cirus comes back.
each night i can target a player, and if the player has not found their grimore stone. it will be revealed where theirs is.
N1 i targeted bur
N2 i targeted cirtus
now to prove it how its impossible for me to be lying is that:
both players are alive and can confirm me targeting them
we already have one scum flip so for me to be lying/gambiting. one of them has to go along with it
to further show my intents if you iso me on post 90 (iirc) i said i found my grimore stone yet apparently scums did not take not to that or believe it.
most of day 2 i was nagging at bur to go find the grimore stone if you read my iso and toDay you can clearly see why i was waiting on cirtus to come in to announce his role. i knew he would be finding his grimore.
this is the grand sceme of things, unless if you think my role is scum oriented im 100% mechanicly townfirmed when they confirm it.
this is also why i want cirtus to claim his role and that i want to cordinate everything right now
this is now the part where scums have to fight someone who is mechancly townfirmed or try to take out the PRs....
this is the grand sceme of things: tonights nk choice will decide if they are hunting PRs or hunting IC-status.
anyone who was paying attention to the game would of most likely targeted me offhand so the iso kill was not just a kill out of the blue, they killed him for a reason, this was also why i was looking so deeply into it day 2.
First off, you're so obviously behaviorally town that there's no need to mechanically confirm yourself as town (and that really doesn't mechanically confirm you're town, though I do agree that the ability seems pointless on scum).
Secondly, Bur can be scum, with a toughguy shot. Letting him live means we'd better damn well lock him in to a target.
Thirdly, well... normally I'd say you should focus on behavior instead of claims, but holy crap we have 5 protective roles (I'm including the motivator as a protective role because there's literally nothing else he can motivate except for Bur's kill).
First off, you're so obviously behaviorally town that there's no need to mechanically confirm yourself as town (and that really doesn't mechanically confirm you're town, though I do agree that the ability seems pointless on scum).
Secondly, Bur can be scum, with a toughguy shot. Letting him live means we'd better damn well lock him in to a target.
Thirdly, well... normally I'd say you should focus on behavior instead of claims, but holy crap we have 5 protective roles (I'm including the motivator as a protective role because there's literally nothing else he can motivate except for Bur's kill).
i know i just find that rhands potshot at me is somethign thats of note.
tbh i checked out of the game a while back affter half of the players started calling me town and crap, its really what causes me to be lazy....
anyway, i just want to cordinate roles and stuff and figure out a chain where scums are locked into killing something.
its mostly for DC/rhand to stop poking at me on why i could be a scum right now and move on with life
emo i forgot, did you say you used your shot last night?
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this is why i become so diengaged in game half of the time is that im behavorily or just called town by meta that i have no incentive to really even try. given the fact that really now we all have our powers and that now basicly want to mop up the gaema dn have cirtus claim his role and move on with my life in this game.
tbh i wouldnt be surprised if targeted both scums (bur/cirtus). but im at a pojt wehre i just dont give a **** about the gamestate and have like no motivationt o really try anymore.
for me mechancily confirming mysefl is something i like (even though im town by like 20 other reasons) to do. its not every day you get to be a pr in a game like this
Yeah, I confirm what ika said... I was already wondering why exactly I got that message N1 telling me where to find my Grimoire.
Also, here:
Small compilation of Hunger's posts:
#111: Nothing worth mentioning.
#122: -||-
#132: -||-
#164: Defends Anthy against Void on basis of
Anthy not knowing how searching works. Fencesitting when
asked for reads, but claims to be suspicioius of Kami.
#192: Starts pushing Void for suspecting Kami and having
said nothing about him and for suspecting Anthy for her
"townslip" Hunger keeps on pushing.
#252: V/LA
#286: Votes Kami.
#315: Starts to suspect hawk but no sign of removing vote
from Kami. This whole post seems weird, since he points
out why hawk might be mafia, followed by posts from Kami
and why he must be mafia.
#355: Says he could support hawk lynch but wants to lynch
Kami instead. Defends against ika why he's not voting hawk.
#356: Nothing.
#506: Lists lots of small things why hawk is mafia.
Tries to make ika look bad due to his playstyle.
#514: Nothing.
#630: Gives a list. Kami and Hawk both mafia.
#640: Still trying to sell Anthy's "townslip".
Tries to discredit ika, calls Void "overly defensive".
#643: Searched City Walls.
#680: Nothing.
#745: Still tries to sell Anthy's town slip. Says Anthy
or Rhand is mafia is the other one is also.
#747: Nothing.
#780: Votes hawk.
#787: V/LA
#788: Asks Seppel why hawk is town.
#841: Nothing.
#844: Asks Rhand what he thinks of hawk.
#868: Votes Kami.
#875: Nothing.
#963: Fencesits on Rhand/Citric team. Attacks ika.
#965: Nothing.
#970: -||-
#972: -||-
#989: Calls ika/Seppel team.
#990: Fixes quotes.
#1042: Calls ika/Seppel/Citric team.
#1051: Keeps pushing it.
#1090: V/LA
#1095: Pushes Citric.
#1096: Has more points to make, but has no time.
#1162: Gives list. E_P is slight mafia, Anthy is town
based on that slip D1.
#1173: Pushes Seppel, acknowledges that he's been trying
to sell Anthy's "townslip".
#1175: Claims.
#1176: Focuses back on E_P.
#1177: Thinks that if Seppel/Citric is mafia team, 3rd
member is either DCIII, Bur or Anthy(!!).
#1178: Nothing.
#1179: V/LA.
#1216: Pushes E_P, tries to make DCIII join Seppel wagon
with him and Anthy. Tries to discredit Citric's read on Kami.
#1221: Bickers with E_P.
#1223: Tries to discredit ika. Calls Citric/Seppel/E_P
mafia team, town reads DCIII, Anthy, Bur.
#1236: E_P reading pending. Wants to lynch Seppel or Citric.
#1268: Thinks Seppel/Citric/Rhand/E_P has 2 mafia in it.
Would like to lynch Seppel/Citric, but "E_P seems like only option".
#1269: Votes E_P.
#1275: "Good luck guys".
Based on this, E_P doesn't look any good at all nor does Anthy. My only problem is that, would mafia be so obvious trying to sell a "townslip" to at every possible chance?
Anyways, all those posts where he calls E_P mafia, but always seems to be more interested in pushing in another directions makes me really alerted.
Calling Hunger/E_P/Anthy as a possible team, Citric as possible 4th. Hunger's push on ika and Seppel didn't feel like bussing, unlike his push on hawk/E_P. Not sure what to make of Rhand-Hunger interactions.
But, I still have to check few things and I'm going to ISO Citric and Anthy to check if my reads are correct...
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On top of that, Antny rushed in to defend Hunger as soon as the heat was on Hunger.
Once everyone's done moving around, I'm ready to lynch Antny.
Also of note, while my RB of E_P could be the reason that there's no kill, it's perfectly reasonable that the scum could have shot me (allegedly protected by Void) or Rhand (allegedly hid himself). It's also reasonable that both of those are true (I blocked E_P from making the kill and the kill was going to be on me or Rhand). And there's like no way to tell what happened. Even if DC3 BG'd me or Rhand, there's still no proof that the other was the target. Oh my god this is frustrating.
@DC3: Who did you BG last night?
At least we can make a protection chain and catch any missing links. Something like this:
I'm in the Undercity now theoretically (still waiting)
Rosencrantz, Warlock, Roleblocker. Targeted E_P last night.
You, Ika, and Void have not found your Grimoires.
I recommend you hold of on searching until the people who have found theirs check all the remaining locations for Grimoires.
Here's a short recap:
Locations that are confirmed to contain Grimoires: 3 (Cathedral, Keep, Forest)
Locations whose Grimoire status is unknown: 4 (Temple, Catacombs, Undercity, Walls (if Hunger lied))
Locations that are confirmed to not contain Grimoires: 3 (Sanctum, Mines, Center)
Grimoires remaining: 6 (Citric, Ika, Void, Hunger(?), Iso, Archon)
unvote, vote Bur
I'll get to all the necessary housekeeping, post a votecount, and do prod checks shortly.
Bur (3) - Rhand, DCIII, Antny223
emo_pinata (1) - Seppel
Not voting: Bur, CitricBase, emo_pinata, ika42, Void
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With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
No one is in prod range.
Thanks. Who do you think is scum?
claim your results
@Seppel: I'll let you know, after I finish rereading. Probably tomorrow evening, I have exams tomorrow and won't probably get any more reading done today.
@Rhand: Do you have any confirmation that you were targeted?
cirtus needs to say his current loaction.
after that i will figure out an idea stratagy.
emo did you activate your role last night?
i feel like the burr wagon is just a piledrive....
I think Bur is our best lynch, but I feel like lynching Ika too.
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Please show me where/how you led the wagon on Hunger.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
i was at work and realized something btw, but i will unveil it after citrus claims his role cus my plan is in full swing.
burr, what was your reason for not using your ability last nihgt?
everyone: why are we lynching someone who claims to have a vig shot that can easily be proven?
anty: motivator
rhand: hider
DC: BG with condition if in same room
emo: neigbor
seppi: rber
burr: vig/vanillaize
void: doc
citurs: ???
me:
are we missing anything from this atm?
let me deal with that...
after we finish the claim game we can orchestrate who targets who...
current locations:
cirtus: undercity
people who work based on location
DC
emo
rhand
the main thing i want is DC/emo to have a set loaction and set players to work out i found something funny so i wan tthem to move latter after cirus comes back.
@emo - I still want him to answer.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
yes, i will claim after cirtus
I found Grimore on Day 1.
I'm willing to lynch Antny, Burr or Citrus toDay.
I did not see an answer to my question in your most recent post. All I saw was that didn't answer much. Please respond to it in your next post.
So Citric and Ika are the only ones who need to find their Grimoires.
In that case, I'm just going to simplify everything for now:
Confirmed have Grimoires: Cathedral, Keep, Forest
Might have Grimoires: Temple, Catacombs, Undercity, Walls
@Anyone who still has their search available: Can you search one of the 4 unconfirmed locations?
I found my grimoire and would rather reveal what it does tomorrow rather than today
also im going to say i found my grimore stone day 1 as well
i have a huge post coming up that makes it mechanicly impooible for me to be scum unless if you think my role is scum
each night i can target a player, and if the player has not found their grimore stone. it will be revealed where theirs is.
N1 i targeted bur
N2 i targeted cirtus
now to prove it how its impossible for me to be lying is that:
both players are alive and can confirm me targeting them
we already have one scum flip so for me to be lying/gambiting. one of them has to go along with it
to further show my intents if you iso me on post 90 (iirc) i said i found my grimore stone yet apparently scums did not take not to that or believe it.
most of day 2 i was nagging at bur to go find the grimore stone if you read my iso and toDay you can clearly see why i was waiting on cirtus to come in to announce his role. i knew he would be finding his grimore.
this is the grand sceme of things, unless if you think my role is scum oriented im 100% mechanicly townfirmed when they confirm it.
this is also why i want cirtus to claim his role and that i want to cordinate everything right now
this is the grand sceme of things: tonights nk choice will decide if they are hunting PRs or hunting IC-status.
anyone who was paying attention to the game would of most likely targeted me offhand so the iso kill was not just a kill out of the blue, they killed him for a reason, this was also why i was looking so deeply into it day 2.
rhand: hider
DC: BG
emo: neigbor
seppi: rber
burr: vig/vanillaize
void: doc
citurs: something
me: revealer
so with the current rolelist...
i will start figuring it out soon enough. for now
vote rehand
bur has a ****ign vig shot that can be proven. if anything we should be having that be used tonihgt and not lynching it
First off, you're so obviously behaviorally town that there's no need to mechanically confirm yourself as town (and that really doesn't mechanically confirm you're town, though I do agree that the ability seems pointless on scum).
Secondly, Bur can be scum, with a toughguy shot. Letting him live means we'd better damn well lock him in to a target.
Thirdly, well... normally I'd say you should focus on behavior instead of claims, but holy crap we have 5 protective roles (I'm including the motivator as a protective role because there's literally nothing else he can motivate except for Bur's kill).
i know i just find that rhands potshot at me is somethign thats of note.
tbh i checked out of the game a while back affter half of the players started calling me town and crap, its really what causes me to be lazy....
anyway, i just want to cordinate roles and stuff and figure out a chain where scums are locked into killing something.
its mostly for DC/rhand to stop poking at me on why i could be a scum right now and move on with life
emo i forgot, did you say you used your shot last night?
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this is why i become so diengaged in game half of the time is that im behavorily or just called town by meta that i have no incentive to really even try. given the fact that really now we all have our powers and that now basicly want to mop up the gaema dn have cirtus claim his role and move on with my life in this game.
tbh i wouldnt be surprised if targeted both scums (bur/cirtus). but im at a pojt wehre i just dont give a **** about the gamestate and have like no motivationt o really try anymore.
for me mechancily confirming mysefl is something i like (even though im town by like 20 other reasons) to do. its not every day you get to be a pr in a game like this
Also, here:
#111: Nothing worth mentioning.
#122: -||-
#132: -||-
#164: Defends Anthy against Void on basis of
Anthy not knowing how searching works. Fencesitting when
asked for reads, but claims to be suspicioius of Kami.
#192: Starts pushing Void for suspecting Kami and having
said nothing about him and for suspecting Anthy for her
"townslip" Hunger keeps on pushing.
#252: V/LA
#286: Votes Kami.
#315: Starts to suspect hawk but no sign of removing vote
from Kami. This whole post seems weird, since he points
out why hawk might be mafia, followed by posts from Kami
and why he must be mafia.
#355: Says he could support hawk lynch but wants to lynch
Kami instead. Defends against ika why he's not voting hawk.
#356: Nothing.
#506: Lists lots of small things why hawk is mafia.
Tries to make ika look bad due to his playstyle.
#514: Nothing.
#630: Gives a list. Kami and Hawk both mafia.
#640: Still trying to sell Anthy's "townslip".
Tries to discredit ika, calls Void "overly defensive".
#643: Searched City Walls.
#680: Nothing.
#745: Still tries to sell Anthy's town slip. Says Anthy
or Rhand is mafia is the other one is also.
#747: Nothing.
#780: Votes hawk.
#787: V/LA
#788: Asks Seppel why hawk is town.
#841: Nothing.
#844: Asks Rhand what he thinks of hawk.
#868: Votes Kami.
#875: Nothing.
#963: Fencesits on Rhand/Citric team. Attacks ika.
#965: Nothing.
#970: -||-
#972: -||-
#989: Calls ika/Seppel team.
#990: Fixes quotes.
#1042: Calls ika/Seppel/Citric team.
#1051: Keeps pushing it.
#1090: V/LA
#1095: Pushes Citric.
#1096: Has more points to make, but has no time.
#1162: Gives list. E_P is slight mafia, Anthy is town
based on that slip D1.
#1173: Pushes Seppel, acknowledges that he's been trying
to sell Anthy's "townslip".
#1175: Claims.
#1176: Focuses back on E_P.
#1177: Thinks that if Seppel/Citric is mafia team, 3rd
member is either DCIII, Bur or Anthy(!!).
#1178: Nothing.
#1179: V/LA.
#1216: Pushes E_P, tries to make DCIII join Seppel wagon
with him and Anthy. Tries to discredit Citric's read on Kami.
#1221: Bickers with E_P.
#1223: Tries to discredit ika. Calls Citric/Seppel/E_P
mafia team, town reads DCIII, Anthy, Bur.
#1236: E_P reading pending. Wants to lynch Seppel or Citric.
#1268: Thinks Seppel/Citric/Rhand/E_P has 2 mafia in it.
Would like to lynch Seppel/Citric, but "E_P seems like only option".
#1269: Votes E_P.
#1275: "Good luck guys".
Based on this, E_P doesn't look any good at all nor does Anthy. My only problem is that, would mafia be so obvious trying to sell a "townslip" to at every possible chance?
Anyways, all those posts where he calls E_P mafia, but always seems to be more interested in pushing in another directions makes me really alerted.
Calling Hunger/E_P/Anthy as a possible team, Citric as possible 4th. Hunger's push on ika and Seppel didn't feel like bussing, unlike his push on hawk/E_P. Not sure what to make of Rhand-Hunger interactions.
But, I still have to check few things and I'm going to ISO Citric and Anthy to check if my reads are correct...
@bur: surprising conclusions there, plan on providing reasons or continue to push your lazy case against me through another day?
Once everyone's done moving around, I'm ready to lynch Antny.
Also of note, while my RB of E_P could be the reason that there's no kill, it's perfectly reasonable that the scum could have shot me (allegedly protected by Void) or Rhand (allegedly hid himself). It's also reasonable that both of those are true (I blocked E_P from making the kill and the kill was going to be on me or Rhand). And there's like no way to tell what happened. Even if DC3 BG'd me or Rhand, there's still no proof that the other was the target. Oh my god this is frustrating.
@DC3: Who did you BG last night?
At least we can make a protection chain and catch any missing links. Something like this:
DC3 BG's Void -> Void docs Seppel -> Seppel RB's ???
And Rhand hides again.
This way I can RB without being killed 2 nights in a row. If we lynch one more scum (Antny) this game is pretty much on autowin.