No, we don't want everyone in the Undercity. I'd rather nnoone else goes there.
We have what, me Ika Emo and DCIII? No-one else should go to the Undercity or it's a total waste of Emo's night action
no, if we want the full party down there thats what we do cirtus. you know you are on the chopping block right now so unless if you want to join me on rhand you beter have a better argument
cirtus the more you do that farmongering the more im going to advocate to have players down there.
unvote
mostly caus no-lynch is stupid at this point
**** off Ika, I'm not fear-mongering at all. You're being super anti-town, because even if I didn't have a night action, you're literally advocating emo-pinata's night action. I'm literally going to just ignore you if you continue being anti-town
if your role is something fo the sort that works on location/#of players i see very little to no reaosn to have it hidden.
i asked you very direct questions that would alivate my suspicions and doubts about you but you being like this just makes me not care and assume im right
Leaning town because of the way he closed Yesterday. If he was trying to take bus cred I doubt he'd have been talking about how Hunger was changing his mind on him. Possible he was being sneaky about it or meant to Unvote but I doubt that's likely.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I believe that Rhand is Scum at this point. He comes guns blazing stating that DCIII's are coming across as Scum because that is how he posts as Scum. When Rhand did this to me he took his time and gathered the factual information that sealed my fate. Rhand didn't do anything of the sort in this game from what I have read since then. I would expect a Town Rhand to at least come back in with quotes from another game or two to either confirm or deny his claim.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I haven't made notes for this game and it's been enough days that I don't really remember that well even who's in it etc. beyond people I've interacted a lot with like Ika + my role/the location mechanic stuff
my claim: Grand Steward LeSait, Town 2-Shot Invigorator
I can either give a player another use of a shotted ability, or they can use an unlimited ability twice.
I didn't target anyone last night. I still have both my shots.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
This day has been going on for 12 days so far, but it feels like forever since anybody has done anything of substance.
Vote Killjoy
I'm assuming everyone is done with searching / moving. I'm only interested in lynching Bur or Antny/Killjoy today, so now's everyone's chance to put forth arguments otherwise.
@E_P: Why don't you think Antny/Killjoy is scum?
@Killjoy: You're very likely scum, so if you're not you'd better start coming up with reasons why someone else is.
Here, from least likely to most likely scum:
Seppel - [Roleblocker] Hi I lynched Hunger and organized us to get all our grimoires.
ika - [Grimoire Revealer] 100% townie behavior. Also, his ability is confirmed.
Void - [Doc] I thought he was scummy, but he claims to have doc'd me with good reason. Notes on this below.
DCIII - [Bodyguard] There's nothing damning him, but nothing clearing him. He's scumhunting though. He should die tonight (or there should be no kill) if Void is town (and if the mafia isn't dumb).
Rhand - [Hider] Was pretty damn townie during D1/D2. There's some evidence against him. He also said he was going to look into Ika's towngames and apparently hasn't done so.
Citric - [??? Something location based] I still don't get why people are voting him. I might have to ISO him.
Hawk / E_P - [1-shot Neighborizer] Strong townread initally, but I hated his behavior at the end of D2.
Bur - [1-shot Vanillifier / 1-shot Vig] His play has been awful, and his claim is entirely anti-town.
Antny / Killjoy - [2-shot Redirector] Rushed in to defend Hunger, played damage control. There's also nothing scummy for you to redirect.
Last night there was no kill. I RB'd E_P, Void says he doc'd me, and Rhand says he hid. There's really no way to know if the kill came from E_P, or if Rhand or I was the target. Rhand says he believes he was the target even though there's no evidence that supports that.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Seppel - what about Emo's behavior at the end of Yesterday didn't you like?
@Void - what do you think of Rhand's play at the end of Yesterday?
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I really think Citric is scum. I think he's trying to weather the storm and let focus go elsewhere and I don't get why when I case him people mostly seem to agree with me but then don't vote him. This has happened all three Days now but no real momentum ever builds on his wagon - Hunger did this Yesterday, agreeing with my case but always steering momentum somewhere else. And also Citric saying that he led the Hunger wagon earlier is a credit grab. He barned Ika's reasoning and then was mostly quiet about it and then unvoted when momentum looked like it was shifting away, and then revoted when it didn't - and then he tried to defend himself Today by saying that he led that wagon. Go back and look at his contributions to that wagon and then look at his response to me suspecting him about how he led it.
KA was town
Iso was town
Hunger was scum
Seppel is mirror
Emo is hawk.
I am Antny
Gonna pull an Iso here and call Void town based on first post.
Pretty sure DCIII is town based on 38.
IDK what Iso was on about. Ika is infodumping like crazy. Town.
Mirror's 136 makes me think he (and therefore Seppel) might be scum. Buzzword 'alarm bells' is there, also 'at this point'. Also his comment to Hunger makes me think he isn't trying to figure out his alignment like he is everyone else in that post. Just the whole of that post seems scummy.
I think Iso is town. I still disagree about dumping out info, though. First, narrowing down locations for scum to find grimoires is bad, even if we also help town find grimoires - I think the typical balance of such games is that one scum power role is stronger than one town power role. Second, by declaring the information, you're narrowing down the field of activated town power roles for scum to kill.
I don't see the difference Iso is claiming in ika's posts. This ika feels just like the ika I saw at the start of UT. So I have a town lean there as well. That said, if you two could lighten up on the argument, that would be great. We need to get interaction from everyone else too.
I'm actually all for revealing information, but I think it would be better tomorrow.
So we can go to a location at any given point of time but only once per day. Scum will be working together andprobably figure out where there stuff is faster. If we all just info dump day 2, the numbet of town is greater than the number of scum so hopefully the town are paying attention and can go get the items first.
Also I think Ika's town. On the other hand, Burs tone bothers me in his rvs.
unvote vote bur
Had a quick look at ika's last game. His posts here didn't ring any alarm bells for me. Looked like a genuine misunderstanding over those few pages.
RE: Mechanics. I think this is a case where we have to cut a fine balance. I think there is a reasonable amount of information now to stop without getting to the point where town activated powers are easily red flagged. However, if the vote goes to full disclosure then I am flexible to post my result.
@Blur - Care you share how you got this information?
@Iso you seem to be townreading players awfully easily so far. What makes you so sure Void/Blur are town?
Kinda feels like a good spot to get on a wagon. Not really behind the idea of a wagon ika. Not sure of Iso. mirrorentity has been quieter than the last time we've played. I'll start there...
vote mirrorentity
I'm not behind either an Iso or ika wagon at this point.
hawk - I think that this information midground is reasonable, possibly optimal, what do you think?
Bur - I still haven't played many games but I think it depends on individual setups given you are weighing scum/town player counts with scum getting nightkills and more information. Wouldn't call it clear cut.
Hunger - you're surprised by Iso's RVS behaviour? I'm not especially based on some previous experience.
Citric request to hear at least some thoughts after a readthrough. Do you have meta to point to?
Same for Bur and Archon as I have been out of the game a long time.
I feel like I should know Hawk's scumgame by now, but every game I've played with him he's gone under my radar. I need to reread him in uPick and WuTang to check on similarities.
Not a fan of Citric for some reason. Maybe it's because WuTang is my only game with him and he doesn't remind me of that.
I think that there's likely scum on the Iso wagon.I don't remember where Mirror's vote was though.I think his RVS on Rhand was the current vote for him.
Hunger (lol) makes a good point about a scum slip from Hawk. How did hawk know Iso was joking for sure? Looking objectively, when I was kinda looking over the game before N1, I wasn't taking him too seriously. But Hawk's statement has a certain... certainty to it I don't like much.
Seppel calls Hunger town probably based on 315. I'm not sure I agree with that assessment, but it's hard to be objective in this case knowing for a fact that Hunger is scum.
Ika makes a good point: If Hunger caught Hawk in a scumslip, or at least thought he did, why did he not vote? Resistance to voting someone COULD mean that Hawk/Hunger were scum together.
lololol hawk scum slipped... again. "we will direct the NK".
How in the hell did you guys get off the hawk wagon?
I do agree with Seppel that Bur is town based on that post.
Damn it Void. I hate posts that say "Well, if he IS town, we still get information" because it seems like you're ok with town lynches. Also don't like the @hawk phrasing.Moving down to lean town for that
@Seppel
No, I am not Scum. If Hawk does flip Town, then a lot of valuable information will come from it. The Town needs Day 1 to close so that we have a couple of flips to work with.
@hawk
Give the Town one post with all your reads in it. It will make it a lot easier to find rather than finding a bunch of posts.
None of Rhand's scum reads are my scum reads. And his leaning is a town read and a scum. Hm.
The thing that bugs me about my hawk scumread right now is that Hunger had him and only one other person on his "would lynch" list. That's unusual for scum to do to their buddies.
I'm SO GLAD I don't have to care about Antny's wordwalls.
Also Seppel is townclearing hawk a bunch. How often does he do this to scumbuddies? Anyone know?
I dislike this post a lot:
also for the "why is Iso dead?" question, I can't answer that. I could guess that it's because he's a good player, or a kill on iso would implicate me, but I'm not scum, so I don't know what they were thinking.
Actually... I'm reconsidering my scumread on Hawk. Hunger was all up in his ass D1, which seems like too much bussing.
Seppel is WAY to confident in his scumread on Hunger for my liking.
Void: Where's the dichotomy between Rhand and DCII? Notseeing it.
Hawk has a proveable role. Ok then.
Seppel's constant list making/organizing could either be overly helpful townie, or boredem. Leaning the former.
Yeah, happy with my DCIII town thoughts for sure.
Just FYI, I'm skipping most if not all wall posts/replies.
Rhand is likely town because of his vote on Hunger, I think. if he had just not voted, it's possible that Hunger could have tied the VC up. He would have been lynched the next day, but free day for scum.
If Seppel is scum, I feel like I might be wrong about Ika or Bur.
Emo can turn everyone at his location to a neighbor. I have never heard of a scum neighborizer, but it's not unprecidented.
Looks like it was Bur I was wrong about, maybe. That's a scum claim.
DCIII claimed Bodyguard. Good.
lol Rhand. Half a post from this game, half from another.
EP: Did you get notification of being blocked last night?
And there goes Seppel not reading the rules. Or pretending to.
Ah, Void is Doc. Cool.
Wait... Bodyguard AND doc? Is there any precident for those two roles being together?
I still haven't searched. And the searching thing still confuses me a bit. But anyway I'll do it whereever is needed. Although I'd love to get in on that neighbor action.
EP's thing about a hider as well makes sense. I forgot that hider was psudoprotective. I think of the 3, Rhand is scum
Town
DCIII
Ika
Emo
Lean Town
Void
Lean Scum
Citric?
Bur
Rhand
Scum
Seppel
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Seppel/Rhand are my top reads, Bur is a distant 3rd.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I actually agree pretty much exactly with Seppel's read wall a few pages back
Ika + Seppel are town
I'm leaning town on Emo, less so but also on Rhand
DC I'm leaning scum but Seppel + Iso both meta read him very strongly as town? I'm willing to call him town off those reads
Antny/Killjoy is very likely scum
Vote: Killjoy
If anyone other than Emo and Ika and DCIII are in the Undercity tonight, please say so or I'm taking it as a scum-claim
Citric, who do you think is scum?
Also, what happened to Antny?
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Let me know what you find, then.
no, if we want the full party down there thats what we do cirtus. you know you are on the chopping block right now so unless if you want to join me on rhand you beter have a better argument
vote rehand
Now can we please limit the number of people in the undercity to just us 3/4?
I haven't paid attention beyond my night action, I'll have a lot more time starting Tuesday and will finally read through etc
unvote
mostly caus no-lynch is stupid at this point
**** off Ika, I'm not fear-mongering at all. You're being super anti-town, because even if I didn't have a night action, you're literally advocating emo-pinata's night action. I'm literally going to just ignore you if you continue being anti-town
you have obviously not read my posts where i have linked them on this site as well offsite...
you also seemed to have avoided void followup question...
if you read the game you will see that i have linked some already
you already have one vote and at deadline you will be lynched so if you want to move the game foward you should be putting a vote down
i asked you very direct questions that would alivate my suspicions and doubts about you but you being like this just makes me not care and assume im right
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
whats you take on rehand?
Why? I'm like 90% certain he's scum.
Leaning town because of the way he closed Yesterday. If he was trying to take bus cred I doubt he'd have been talking about how Hunger was changing his mind on him. Possible he was being sneaky about it or meant to Unvote but I doubt that's likely.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Please welcome him to the game!
Unvote
Vote: Rhand
your slot claimed he was going to say who he targeted last night but then went afk
No idea
I'm finally done with my exams, may not get to this game til tomorrow but I'll get this game hopefully figured out by then
I haven't made notes for this game and it's been enough days that I don't really remember that well even who's in it etc. beyond people I've interacted a lot with like Ika + my role/the location mechanic stuff
I can either give a player another use of a shotted ability, or they can use an unlimited ability twice.
I didn't target anyone last night. I still have both my shots.
(anty claimed already is an fyi and we did mass rolecall)
Vote Killjoy
I'm assuming everyone is done with searching / moving. I'm only interested in lynching Bur or Antny/Killjoy today, so now's everyone's chance to put forth arguments otherwise.
@E_P: Why don't you think Antny/Killjoy is scum?
@Killjoy: You're very likely scum, so if you're not you'd better start coming up with reasons why someone else is.
Here, from least likely to most likely scum:
Seppel - [Roleblocker] Hi I lynched Hunger and organized us to get all our grimoires.
ika - [Grimoire Revealer] 100% townie behavior. Also, his ability is confirmed.
Void - [Doc] I thought he was scummy, but he claims to have doc'd me with good reason. Notes on this below.
DCIII - [Bodyguard] There's nothing damning him, but nothing clearing him. He's scumhunting though. He should die tonight (or there should be no kill) if Void is town (and if the mafia isn't dumb).
Rhand - [Hider] Was pretty damn townie during D1/D2. There's some evidence against him. He also said he was going to look into Ika's towngames and apparently hasn't done so.
Citric - [??? Something location based] I still don't get why people are voting him. I might have to ISO him.
Hawk / E_P - [1-shot Neighborizer] Strong townread initally, but I hated his behavior at the end of D2.
Bur - [1-shot Vanillifier / 1-shot Vig] His play has been awful, and his claim is entirely anti-town.
Antny / Killjoy - [2-shot Redirector] Rushed in to defend Hunger, played damage control. There's also nothing scummy for you to redirect.
Last night there was no kill. I RB'd E_P, Void says he doc'd me, and Rhand says he hid. There's really no way to know if the kill came from E_P, or if Rhand or I was the target. Rhand says he believes he was the target even though there's no evidence that supports that.
I think that's about it.
not a redirector, we are not lynching him today, if you do i will agro-lynch you
or better yet vig me so i dont have to be in this game
im saying for bur to vig the hider
Oh duh, typo brain-fart.
Why do you not want Antny lynched?
the game stangented and we need some progression...
just so we dont have even numbers right now:
vote rehand
Ika, please walk me through this: if you confirm his role, how does that prove that he's town?
do you really think its a scum!motivator? how about you show me a game where that exist for starters
@killjoy i could but im lazy you could ask seppi
@Void - what do you think of Rhand's play at the end of Yesterday?
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I really think Citric is scum. I think he's trying to weather the storm and let focus go elsewhere and I don't get why when I case him people mostly seem to agree with me but then don't vote him. This has happened all three Days now but no real momentum ever builds on his wagon - Hunger did this Yesterday, agreeing with my case but always steering momentum somewhere else. And also Citric saying that he led the Hunger wagon earlier is a credit grab. He barned Ika's reasoning and then was mostly quiet about it and then unvoted when momentum looked like it was shifting away, and then revoted when it didn't - and then he tried to defend himself Today by saying that he led that wagon. Go back and look at his contributions to that wagon and then look at his response to me suspecting him about how he led it.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
who is citus scum buddy?
if cirtus is town whos scum?
Iso was town
Hunger was scum
Seppel is mirror
Emo is hawk.
I am Antny
Gonna pull an Iso here and call Void town based on first post.
Pretty sure DCIII is town based on 38.
IDK what Iso was on about. Ika is infodumping like crazy. Town.
Mirror's 136 makes me think he (and therefore Seppel) might be scum. Buzzword 'alarm bells' is there, also 'at this point'. Also his comment to Hunger makes me think he isn't trying to figure out his alignment like he is everyone else in that post. Just the whole of that post seems scummy.
Not a fan of Citric for some reason. Maybe it's because WuTang is my only game with him and he doesn't remind me of that.
I think that there's likely scum on the Iso wagon.I don't remember where Mirror's vote was though.I think his RVS on Rhand was the current vote for him.
Seppel calls Hunger town probably based on 315. I'm not sure I agree with that assessment, but it's hard to be objective in this case knowing for a fact that Hunger is scum.
Ika makes a good point: If Hunger caught Hawk in a scumslip, or at least thought he did, why did he not vote? Resistance to voting someone COULD mean that Hawk/Hunger were scum together.
lololol hawk scum slipped... again. "we will direct the NK".
How in the hell did you guys get off the hawk wagon?
I do agree with Seppel that Bur is town based on that post.
Damn it Void. I hate posts that say "Well, if he IS town, we still get information" because it seems like you're ok with town lynches. Also don't like the @hawk phrasing.Moving down to lean town for that
The thing that bugs me about my hawk scumread right now is that Hunger had him and only one other person on his "would lynch" list. That's unusual for scum to do to their buddies.
I'm SO GLAD I don't have to care about Antny's wordwalls.
Also Seppel is townclearing hawk a bunch. How often does he do this to scumbuddies? Anyone know?
I dislike this post a lot:
Seppel is WAY to confident in his scumread on Hunger for my liking.
Void: Where's the dichotomy between Rhand and DCII? Notseeing it.
Hawk has a proveable role. Ok then.
Seppel's constant list making/organizing could either be overly helpful townie, or boredem. Leaning the former.
Yeah, happy with my DCIII town thoughts for sure.
Just FYI, I'm skipping most if not all wall posts/replies.
Rhand is likely town because of his vote on Hunger, I think. if he had just not voted, it's possible that Hunger could have tied the VC up. He would have been lynched the next day, but free day for scum.
If Seppel is scum, I feel like I might be wrong about Ika or Bur.
Emo can turn everyone at his location to a neighbor. I have never heard of a scum neighborizer, but it's not unprecidented.
Looks like it was Bur I was wrong about, maybe. That's a scum claim.
DCIII claimed Bodyguard. Good.
lol Rhand. Half a post from this game, half from another.
EP: Did you get notification of being blocked last night?
And there goes Seppel not reading the rules. Or pretending to.
Ah, Void is Doc. Cool.
Wait... Bodyguard AND doc? Is there any precident for those two roles being together?
I still haven't searched. And the searching thing still confuses me a bit. But anyway I'll do it whereever is needed. Although I'd love to get in on that neighbor action.
EP's thing about a hider as well makes sense. I forgot that hider was psudoprotective. I think of the 3, Rhand is scum
Town
DCIII
Ika
Emo
Lean Town
Void
Lean Scum
Citric?
Bur
Rhand
Scum
Seppel
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Seppel/Rhand are my top reads, Bur is a distant 3rd.
Vote Seppel
I actually agree pretty much exactly with Seppel's read wall a few pages back
Ika + Seppel are town
I'm leaning town on Emo, less so but also on Rhand
DC I'm leaning scum but Seppel + Iso both meta read him very strongly as town? I'm willing to call him town off those reads
Antny/Killjoy is very likely scum
Vote: Killjoy
If anyone other than Emo and Ika and DCIII are in the Undercity tonight, please say so or I'm taking it as a scum-claim
@Citric: I searched Undercity yesterday, so I assume I'm still there.