@Ika - What's actually funny is you aren't even reading my posts while claiming to be following this game with a fine eye and then making assumptions/accusations that are completely false. The fact that you say I'm not calling anyone on me scum is laughable.
i think your still missing the bigger picture here that you neevr gave a ***** about my plan, the moment i said "***** it" you went out and did your own thing. you never seems to directly question it, you never even seems to care if you followed it or not.
also, you are missing the underlying fact that i always have a backup plan that almost nobody knows about.
you still have yet to bring up the questions you asked that i ignored even.
i dont read giant question post that nobody seems to care about. im fairly confident that my death/the next day will make a full circle of everything. i know a lot more then you make me out to be
@Seppel – I searched Sanctum Yesterday after Iso. I’m going to search the Undercity after this post.
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I don't like the feeling of this game state - like, most of the people I feel pretty good about are coming under fire and I don't trust the most vocal voices but I'm getting a lot of mixed signals. Feels like something is off right now.
Citric’s 957 and 968 feel like buddying Ika, which is throwing me because I came into Today thinking Ika and Citric together - a lot of Ika’s lines of pursuit just don’t make any sense to me, like his approach to Citric Yesterday and now he suspects Hunger and Seppel for old Iso reads - but doesn’t back down from that when called on it, and just flatly tells Hunger that inconsistencies are what he does which is something I dunno if he'd admit to as scum.
I want to lynch Citric - re-read how he wound down the Day Yesterday. And I feel like he's just kind of nestling in with the louder voices of Ika and Seppel Today and then talking about mechanics.
Unvote: Vote: Citric
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I’d have thought Seppel would have been more aware about who Iso was suspecting when Ika pressed him on it if he were scum, and admitting that he made up his town read on Hunger doesn’t seem like something I’d think he’d do as scum - but the fact that he bothered to defend himself to Ika about that point I don't like from him. He seems to care a little too much what people think of him for Seppel.
Hawk I had felt better about because of how those I was most suspecting approached him Yesterday and how he voted me at the beginning of the day and didn’t feel the need to elaborate – cause that doesn’t feel like something he’d do as scum after getting the Night to think about it – but now he just seems focused on grimoires and isn’t doing anything else, feels like he's content to just let Today happen.
@Hunger - re: Rhand and Citric – People can change reads, but if they’re mechanics or PM related, typically that locks them into a stance that they wouldn’t be able to back down from – so I don’t see Citric as being very likely to pursue that line with Rhand if he was busing early.
Bur – what are your reads right now?
Leaning town on Antny because I like his reads and his last post felt assured.
Void is probably Town, he’s more obstinate as Town, more careful, and far less self-conscious/apologetic, and I see that here.
Hunger is also probably Town – his reactions to the pressure feel genuine and I don't like his wagon at all.
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@Citric - what do you think of Rhand now and why?
@Hawk - what are your reads other than me?
@Seppel - what happened to your read on Void? Reiterate for me why you think it's obvious Hunger is mafia and how your case is different from Ika's.
DC does have a vaild point. but at the same time im uncertain...
DC: who do you think is most likey cirts scum buddies? the one key problem i have most of the time is that citus is fully aware of just about all my traps and trciks so hes able to craft his play to emulate what i would be expecting. to me it feels like the game is solved but it doesnt fit.
god now im all paranoid by everyone and everythign again.
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know what we need a good old fasion easy to read list by everyone:
1. Rhand - something about his activity just feels off. i cant quite peg it but i would expect rhand to be at least more vocal or active
2. Antny223 - i need to read up again or have him talk to me. its been a while scince i last remember his post
3. Seppel - talks to me at least and feels genuine
4. Void - its one of those paranois things that makes me weary. iso called him town but i dunno i want o hear more out of void
5. ika42 - town
6. CitricBase - recent meta/play says town, but paranoia says scum.
7. Hunger - still find him to be scummy and still think hes scum. if he settle down and talks to me better i can find out if hes just scummy town or just flat out scum
8. 7hawk77 - hawk has been droping off so hes starting to irk me i would liek to see more from him
9. DCIII - looks like town!dc from the cross game with MS/MTG
10. Bur - small quips here and there but they are focal points, im fairly confident that if bur is scum it will be known soon enough
@Seppel - what happened to your read on Void? Reiterate for me why you think it's obvious Hunger is mafia and how your case is different from Ika's.
What do you think happened to my read on Void?
Hunger is scum because he's not acting like his town self (he feels more invested in this game than when he's town) and his language choices are so scummy.
1. Rhand - Town - keeps ssying he's busy but it doesn't feel like Manders Busy. The way he revealed his info felt very townie.
2. Antny223 - Scummy - His posts largely seem pointless, and the way he rushed in to defend Hunger is just so bizarre.
3. Seppel - Town - hi!
4. Void - Scum - Nobody has such waning activity then promises a FULL REREAD. That is just ridiculous overcompensation.
5. ika42 - Town - I know his archetype. He'll be very easy to catch one day when he's scum.
6. CitricBase - Town - I don't remember why I read him as town, but I haven't seen a reason to question my read yet.
7. Hunger - Scum - See above!
8. 7hawk77 - Town-ish - I agree with Ika that Hawk's contributions are lacking from yesterDay. He said he was going to compile search results, and I was so happy... but then he never followed through with that.
9. DCIII - Meh - I haven't been able to find anything alignment-indicative here. He's either playing his cards close to his chest or I'm bad at reading him. He's a good player regardless of alignment.
10. Bur - Town - Ranked #2 in "most sincere posts in the entire game." Second only to Ika.
He searched city walls early day 1 and let everyone know. If he was scum he could have stated silent which would have been correct effectively wasting town searches. We should lynch anty or dciii.
He searched city walls early day 1 and let everyone know. If he was scum he could have stated silent which would have been correct effectively wasting town searches. We should lynch anty or dciii.
Why are you assuming Hunger told the truth in the same breath that you're assuming he's scum?
Post 28: Iso votes for ika after I had asked for Scum games.
Post 29: ika gives more than what I requested out of good nature. Possible AtE to waiver the heat.
Post 33: DCIII joins Iso on with a vote on ika.
Post 41: Iso points to Post 12 and Post 25 as for reason to vote ika. The two posts don't make much sense together coming from a Town mindset.
Post 42: ika comes in harsh and believes that Iso is trying to Policy lynch him. Even if that were the case, there is other information in the thread that would point towards the ika wagon not being a policy lynch.
Back and forth commences between Iso and ika. Iso comes out looking a lot stronger for it.
Post 50: Rhand makes his RVS vote an official on Iso. Asks for a weird meta question about Iso that would not mean anything. Comes across as Rhand trying to validate his vote since his own comment is “His rvs posts give me the shivers.” If it's RVS than there shouldn't have been a need for the vote.
Post 69: ika gives more than 2 games again, but this could simply be follow up from giving more than 2 Scum games for a consistency PoV.
Post 99: iso unvotes ika calling ika Town.
Post 100: Rhand responds to my question and give a straight forward answer. Reads to me that Rhand is starting to believe that Kami could be Scum.
Post 101: Weak vote from hawk on Bur. Tone... really... from RVS? Fisrt post from hawk this game. Follows up in Post 105. Hawk begins spamming the thread.
Post 111: Hunger gives his thoughts on the game. The lack of vote considering how much Hunber disliked Iso's play is a disconnect. The whole line of VT can't hold Scum accountable comes across as forced. Town needs their Protective/Investigation roles is BS and comes across as trying to out those roles ASAP. It also jumps to the conclusion that that information would be shared. The game talk only talks about location of grimores and nothing more.
Post 112: Still do not like that hawk is assuming I am Town. This allows for hawk to change his mind on a whims notice. Town would not be looking to do this.
Post 118: Kami is seeing part of what I see in Hungers post.
Post 120: Iso calls out a Hunger/Antny/Kami scum team with hawk as a distant 4th. I can't helpy but wonder if Iso got 2 of the three Scum here and this why Iso was killed.
Post 122: Hunger calls Antny's question at Iso a townslip... But than contradicts this statement by calling the vote in Mirror forced.
Post 131: Bur's questioning on meta reads genuine and gives me Town vibes.
Post 151: I agree with what DCIII has said about hawk here. I get a strong Town read on DCIII from this entire post.
Post 159: Don't like the fish attempt by Antny for Role information. AFAWK, grimores are limited and not everyone will be able to get a grimore to activate their role. If that information is true, then this post reads like Antny knows this information some how. If Antny does flip Scum, then it's safe to assume that the Mafia have more knowledge about the grimores than the Town does. Proceeds to latch onto hawk's idea of voting on revealing information. Takes my question about to Bur Re: assuming Night Talk and asks an awkward question about it. The detailed reason for voting ME comes across forced. The two votes on ME are rather weak and that is much stronger information to go on at this point. Iso calling out Antny/Hunger/Hawk in Post 120 seems legit since Antny is avoiding meaningful interactions with them at this point in the game.
Post 160: Bur confirms that he wasn't looking for full reveal. This point even further that Hunger took the information to far.
Post 163: Hawk begins to discredit DCIII for having four scummy people in his list. Iso did the same thing, but hawk did not question Iso on this.
Post 164: Hunger uses cop outs more than anything else with his answers. The “Townslip” is complete BS. Bigger note is that Hunger does not interact with either hawk or Antny.
Post 174: Makes me feel better about ika. I'm hesitamt to call him Town though based on the meta read.
Post 176: Kami votes for ika. Noted for the fact that Kami flipped Town.
Post 187: Hawk's response does not settle well with me. Assuming I am Town and reading my as Town are two different things all together. Claims he is not looking for a reason to vote me.
Post 192: Either Hunger is being dense on purpose or he's not trying to read into the reasons why. I may be barning some people, but that's because they saw what I did when I asked questions about Kami. My reason for voting Hunger should have been obvious as a couple others did notice.
Post 201: If hawk likes to figure out who Town is first and work with them to find scum, then why did hawk come into this game voting Bur on his second post? That's not looking for Town like hawk claims he was doing.
Post 221: hawk asks Antny for thoughts on players from Unreal Tournament. The question reads as a disconnect/force since there has been minimal interaction with the two at this point. This makes me believe that hawk is trying hard to communicate with a Scumbuddy.
Post 215: Votecount comes in at a good time. Hunger being the sole player not voting give me a stronger Scum read on him if not stronger, then solidifying my Scum read on him. The VC analysis also points to hawk, Antny, Rhand and Citric being possible Scum as well.
Post 263: Antny asks hawk a question that does not match up to what hawk was pointing out. What needs to be explained? I'm liking the hawk/Antny Scumbuddy idea. The question to Iso about the role concern does not mesh with what Iso was getting at. I don't see the need to point out that hawk engaged Antny in this post. That reads very forced and makes me believe that either one flips Scum, then the Mafia may have Day Talk. Antny leaves the window open to vote hawk since the read is not solid. Calls out Citric for not Scumhunting, but in the quoted post Citric is Scumhunting with the question about his vote to ika. Last I checked that helps gather reads on other players. Gives thoughts on hawk claiming to have liked the post, but is feeling hawk is town? That goes against what Antny was saying earlier in the post.
Post 281: Antny votes hawk. Had to wait for the right time to do it? But it was post 279 that made Antny vote hawk. What about the rest of his posting? More weird interactions from from these two.
Post 286: Hunger votes for confirmed Townie Kami without reason.
Post 288: If anyone votes for DCIII they are most likely to be Scum. There is no way that DCIII is Scum this game.
Post 289: Antny accepts hawk reasoning of a typo/cell phone glitch, but still finds it Scummy. Vote remains on hawk and Antny feels content about when talking to Iso. This is a major switch in gears from what Antny was saying 26 posts earlier. Indecisive to conviction to uncertainty.
Post 297: hawk thinks DCIII is Scum which means hawk is Scum. Mentions a Policy Lynch when there is no need to. Follows up with a vote on Iso in Post 299. Not sure where that vote came from. I don't see anything said about Iso in his most recent previous posts.
Post 300: Antny is now guns blazing with a lynch on hawk. Behavior is all over the place here in regards to hawk.
Post 302/303: ika buddies up to hawk. If one of hawk/hunger/antny flip Town, then ika is a 4th possiblity.
Post 308: Votecount! Hunger is now voting confirmed Town Kami with confirmed Town Iso as the lead. Great place for Scum to be there. Antny is also in a good position to be Scum on the hawk wagon. More so with the weird behavior exhibited between the two. Not much to say about Hawk being on the Iso wagon that I haven't already said. Non entities this game are Bur, Rhand and ME/Seppel. I'm still town reading Bur at this point. ME/Seppel and Rhand could be Scum, but I am not seeing/feeling based on the current play of others. Citric is another Scum possibility. His vote on Rhand doesn't make sense and his vote on hawk in Post 311 is weak.
Post 314: Seppel votes for Bur...
Lots of useless posts. Seppel being... well Seppel. At least he is actively trying to figure the game out even if hes not reading the first part of the game. Iso's frustration...
Post 350: Hawk switches gears from Iso to Citric. Citric's follow up in Post 353 is awful. Seppel votes Citric in the following post.
Post 355: Hunger is now okay with lynching hawk as well, but keeps his vote on a confirmed townie. To me that indicates that Hunger does believe that hawk Scum slipped earlier. That would mean that hawk is the better case here.
Post 357: Iso claims Seppel/Hawk/Arch as the Scum team as his “final answser”. Arch is confirmed Town and I am town reading Seppel for actively trying to solve the game.
Post 360: hawk says there is no point in talking to Scum, but has been talking to everyone else in the game that he has believed to be Scum at one point or another. BS excuse.
Post 369: Hawk thought I was Town. Hasn't said anything about me for some time and is now considering me Scum despite his earlier comment that it's better to “assume” I am Town since my Scum game sucks.
Post 377: Bur is Town and I feel a lot better about ika. Ika leaning town.
I'm not liking the push from ika on Iso. Taking the earlier interactions though I just see this as ika having blinders on.
Post 393: Votecount: 5 players on hawk. Antny and Citric are the only stand outs for being Scum. Rhand and hawk are on the Iso wagon with 2 others, ika and kami. Rhand has been very inactive, could be lurking Scum, but that will come out in the wash if others are not Scum. Hunger is the lone vote on confirmed Town kami. Bur and Seppel are also lone votes, but both are Town based on play this game. I'm looking at Antny, Hunger, Gawk and Citric for the primary Scum possiblities. Rhand is a distant fifth if any of those flip Town.
Post 402/403: I call out Hawk for not giving us proper reads and I receive a cop out answer instead which is also a blatant lie as hawk has voted for a couple players without reason.
Post 409: hawk calls for a Rhand lynch because Rhand is V/LA. Bad attempt to get the pressure off of him.
Post 417: hawk has a conflicting read on Iso, but had no issue blindly following others onto the Iso wagon earlier in the game.
Post 429: Gold mine for when hawk flips Scum.
Post 498: Hawk has a Town read on Hunger.
Post 506: Hunger resurfaces and begins drilling hawk. Hunger solely focuses on hawk, ika and Citric despite many other posts/interactions that should have been commented on. Hunger is at a point of having a major disconnect from this game.
Post 510: Hawk solidifies his Town read on Hunger
Post 522: Votecount: The only notable changes are that Seppel and haek are now voting Kami. Scum reads don't change here.
Post 534: Iso claims that kami is Town, then hawk is Scum.
Post 539: I'm no longer seeing anything between ika and Citric. Not sure what I was seeing now. Citric and hawk could be Scum buddies, but I'm looking more at hawk/Antny/Hunger at this point. Citric as a 4th and Rhand as a distant 5th for his V/LA status for the majority of the game.
Post 541: Citric votes obvious Town DCIII.
Post 542: I agree with Seppel and that votecount being the most important.
Post 547: Antny is 10 pages behind (250 posts) and we get minimal for analysis. Calls out a hawk/Citric/Seppel scum team being very bussy. But that doesn't make sense with Seppel believing that hawk is Town.
Post 577: Rhand has DCIII leaning Scum and a Town read on Hawk.
Post 600: This where the game turns into a spam fest of who is willing to lynch who and what not.
Post 679: Rhand and DCIII are not Scum together. If one flips Scum, then the other is Town.
Post 683: Antny's best post of the game thus far. Still believe that Antny is Scum though.
So much uselss posting. The Day drags on and on and on.
Post 845: Another t/s list from hawk. Good for when hawk flips Scum.
Post 924: I'm with ika on wanting to lynch Hunger.
Post 944: Ika, I'm not sure why Iso was the NK. Most of the game was Iso screwing around and being frustrated with you. His reads kept changing with exception to myself, Kami and Hawk. At this point, I am willing to lynch either hawk or Hunger. Both are likely to be Scum at this point.
Post 946: hawk is now calling me Scum, again, even though his earlier post said he was Town reading me because of Iso and Rhand. Hawk is Scum.
Post 963: This post does nothing to sway my read on Hunger.
Post 1003: @Seppel: Cathedral grimore is there.
Post 1023: I'm Town. Good to see you finally see Hunger as Scum. Hawk and Antny are also Scum. Likely Scum with Citric being a fourth and Rhand or DCIII as a distant 5th still.
Post 1062: Over compensation? I got disconnected from the game and needed to get myself reinvolved in the game. I have now done so. If you still believe me to be Scum, then so be it.
I submitted my search at the start of Day 2 prior to discussion. I searched Sanctum due to my Role PM.
Town
Bur
Seppel
ika
Depends on flip
DCIII (If Town, then Rhand is Scum)
Rhand (If Town, then DCIII is Scum)
the fact that people just randomly blindly sheep me now is what ticks me off the most to an extent. im used to being riddiculed on my cases and players gunhoing me for my ***** case. the fact its not happening either means that im somehow right or that someone is playing anaginst me.
99% of the time most times i make cases people ***** on me for it cus thats what they are, *****. however at the same time im almost right a good chunk of the time for the ***** case. the fact that people are now sheeping me for it (or even sheeping ym vote for that matter) is what irks me.
By "people" just randomly blindly sheeping you, you mean "Citric."
Also Hunger ridiculed your case.
I don't think anyone else weighed in.
Except for me. Remember when commented on it a few posts earlier.
@Citric
I was typing as the thoughts came to my head. The only way that would still affect you is if Rhand is Scum. That should have been rather obvious though...
DC: who do you think is most likey cirts scum buddies? the one key problem i have most of the time is that citus is fully aware of just about all my traps and trciks so hes able to craft his play to emulate what i would be expecting. to me it feels like the game is solved but it doesnt fit.
Again with the scumbuddies question. And why does the rest of this feel so much a fencesit on Citrus. If I wasn't so sure on Seppel I would really want to think it ika/Citrus/Hawk given the way you defended both of them.
Anyway, you want a t/s list. Here goes:
1. Rhand - Null. I keep forgetting he's in this game. Nothing so far has given any real inclination one way or another.
3. Seppel - Scum. The normal unfocused, difficult to deal with Seppel, but I disagree with most of reads and I've been getting a bad feel off the way he dodged my questions.
4. Void - Town. This doesn't feel like Walking Dead Void, and he seems committed to finding scum which often enough to read him.
5. ika42 - Lean scum. I'm hesistant with his read. Plenty of stuff that reads scummy and yet half of me says "but it's ika".
6. CitricBase - Lean scum. I think I reread this slot as well sometime.
7. Hunger - Town. Feels like his previous towngames (althought I've only played with town Hunger) and he analyse questioning bears often agrees with mine.
8. 7hawk77 - Scum. Can't believe we might actually go another day without lynching him.
9. DCIII - Lean town. His play still feels very townie, and he seeing a lot of things I see. My biggest reservation is the fact he was so convincing as scum in Xyamande, but at this point I see no reason to suspect him.
10. Bur - Null. Nothing particularly stands out from Bur. He needs to post more, but given the rl issues I can be patient.
I'll have to read Void's bigpost later.
@Void - It would be helpful if you could post any brief conclusions, summaries, etc from your reread beyond the town/scum list. For instance what in particularly did you find scummy about Hunger.
Post 28: Iso votes for ika after I had asked for Scum games.
Post 29: ika gives more than what I requested out of good nature. Possible AtE to waiver the heat.
Post 33: DCIII joins Iso on with a vote on ika.
Post 41: Iso points to Post 12 and Post 25 as for reason to vote ika. The two posts don't make much sense together coming from a Town mindset.
Post 42: ika comes in harsh and believes that Iso is trying to Policy lynch him. Even if that were the case, there is other information in the thread that would point towards the ika wagon not being a policy lynch.
Back and forth commences between Iso and ika. Iso comes out looking a lot stronger for it.
Post 50: Rhand makes his RVS vote an official on Iso. Asks for a weird meta question about Iso that would not mean anything. Comes across as Rhand trying to validate his vote since his own comment is “His rvs posts give me the shivers.” If it's RVS than there shouldn't have been a need for the vote.
Post 69: ika gives more than 2 games again, but this could simply be follow up from giving more than 2 Scum games for a consistency PoV.
Post 99: iso unvotes ika calling ika Town.
Post 100: Rhand responds to my question and give a straight forward answer. Reads to me that Rhand is starting to believe that Kami could be Scum.
Post 101: Weak vote from hawk on Bur. Tone... really... from RVS? Fisrt post from hawk this game. Follows up in Post 105. Hawk begins spamming the thread.
Post 111: Hunger gives his thoughts on the game. The lack of vote considering how much Hunber disliked Iso's play is a disconnect. The whole line of VT can't hold Scum accountable comes across as forced. Town needs their Protective/Investigation roles is BS and comes across as trying to out those roles ASAP. It also jumps to the conclusion that that information would be shared. The game talk only talks about location of grimores and nothing more.
Post 112: Still do not like that hawk is assuming I am Town. This allows for hawk to change his mind on a whims notice. Town would not be looking to do this.
Post 118: Kami is seeing part of what I see in Hungers post.
Post 120: Iso calls out a Hunger/Antny/Kami scum team with hawk as a distant 4th. I can't helpy but wonder if Iso got 2 of the three Scum here and this why Iso was killed.
Post 122: Hunger calls Antny's question at Iso a townslip... But than contradicts this statement by calling the vote in Mirror forced.
Post 131: Bur's questioning on meta reads genuine and gives me Town vibes.
Post 151: I agree with what DCIII has said about hawk here. I get a strong Town read on DCIII from this entire post.
Post 159: Don't like the fish attempt by Antny for Role information. AFAWK, grimores are limited and not everyone will be able to get a grimore to activate their role. If that information is true, then this post reads like Antny knows this information some how. If Antny does flip Scum, then it's safe to assume that the Mafia have more knowledge about the grimores than the Town does. Proceeds to latch onto hawk's idea of voting on revealing information. Takes my question about to Bur Re: assuming Night Talk and asks an awkward question about it. The detailed reason for voting ME comes across forced. The two votes on ME are rather weak and that is much stronger information to go on at this point. Iso calling out Antny/Hunger/Hawk in Post 120 seems legit since Antny is avoiding meaningful interactions with them at this point in the game.
Post 160: Bur confirms that he wasn't looking for full reveal. This point even further that Hunger took the information to far.
Post 163: Hawk begins to discredit DCIII for having four scummy people in his list. Iso did the same thing, but hawk did not question Iso on this.
Post 164: Hunger uses cop outs more than anything else with his answers. The “Townslip” is complete BS. Bigger note is that Hunger does not interact with either hawk or Antny.
Post 174: Makes me feel better about ika. I'm hesitamt to call him Town though based on the meta read.
Post 176: Kami votes for ika. Noted for the fact that Kami flipped Town.
Post 187: Hawk's response does not settle well with me. Assuming I am Town and reading my as Town are two different things all together. Claims he is not looking for a reason to vote me.
Post 192: Either Hunger is being dense on purpose or he's not trying to read into the reasons why. I may be barning some people, but that's because they saw what I did when I asked questions about Kami. My reason for voting Hunger should have been obvious as a couple others did notice.
Post 201: If hawk likes to figure out who Town is first and work with them to find scum, then why did hawk come into this game voting Bur on his second post? That's not looking for Town like hawk claims he was doing.
Post 221: hawk asks Antny for thoughts on players from Unreal Tournament. The question reads as a disconnect/force since there has been minimal interaction with the two at this point. This makes me believe that hawk is trying hard to communicate with a Scumbuddy.
Post 215: Votecount comes in at a good time. Hunger being the sole player not voting give me a stronger Scum read on him if not stronger, then solidifying my Scum read on him. The VC analysis also points to hawk, Antny, Rhand and Citric being possible Scum as well.
Post 263: Antny asks hawk a question that does not match up to what hawk was pointing out. What needs to be explained? I'm liking the hawk/Antny Scumbuddy idea. The question to Iso about the role concern does not mesh with what Iso was getting at. I don't see the need to point out that hawk engaged Antny in this post. That reads very forced and makes me believe that either one flips Scum, then the Mafia may have Day Talk. Antny leaves the window open to vote hawk since the read is not solid. Calls out Citric for not Scumhunting, but in the quoted post Citric is Scumhunting with the question about his vote to ika. Last I checked that helps gather reads on other players. Gives thoughts on hawk claiming to have liked the post, but is feeling hawk is town? That goes against what Antny was saying earlier in the post.
Post 281: Antny votes hawk. Had to wait for the right time to do it? But it was post 279 that made Antny vote hawk. What about the rest of his posting? More weird interactions from from these two.
Post 286: Hunger votes for confirmed Townie Kami without reason.
Post 288: If anyone votes for DCIII they are most likely to be Scum. There is no way that DCIII is Scum this game.
Post 289: Antny accepts hawk reasoning of a typo/cell phone glitch, but still finds it Scummy. Vote remains on hawk and Antny feels content about when talking to Iso. This is a major switch in gears from what Antny was saying 26 posts earlier. Indecisive to conviction to uncertainty.
Post 297: hawk thinks DCIII is Scum which means hawk is Scum. Mentions a Policy Lynch when there is no need to. Follows up with a vote on Iso in Post 299. Not sure where that vote came from. I don't see anything said about Iso in his most recent previous posts.
Post 300: Antny is now guns blazing with a lynch on hawk. Behavior is all over the place here in regards to hawk.
Post 302/303: ika buddies up to hawk. If one of hawk/hunger/antny flip Town, then ika is a 4th possiblity.
Post 308: Votecount! Hunger is now voting confirmed Town Kami with confirmed Town Iso as the lead. Great place for Scum to be there. Antny is also in a good position to be Scum on the hawk wagon. More so with the weird behavior exhibited between the two. Not much to say about Hawk being on the Iso wagon that I haven't already said. Non entities this game are Bur, Rhand and ME/Seppel. I'm still town reading Bur at this point. ME/Seppel and Rhand could be Scum, but I am not seeing/feeling based on the current play of others. Citric is another Scum possibility. His vote on Rhand doesn't make sense and his vote on hawk in Post 311 is weak.
Post 314: Seppel votes for Bur...
Lots of useless posts. Seppel being... well Seppel. At least he is actively trying to figure the game out even if hes not reading the first part of the game. Iso's frustration...
Post 350: Hawk switches gears from Iso to Citric. Citric's follow up in Post 353 is awful. Seppel votes Citric in the following post.
Post 355: Hunger is now okay with lynching hawk as well, but keeps his vote on a confirmed townie. To me that indicates that Hunger does believe that hawk Scum slipped earlier. That would mean that hawk is the better case here.
Post 357: Iso claims Seppel/Hawk/Arch as the Scum team as his “final answser”. Arch is confirmed Town and I am town reading Seppel for actively trying to solve the game.
Post 360: hawk says there is no point in talking to Scum, but has been talking to everyone else in the game that he has believed to be Scum at one point or another. BS excuse.
Post 369: Hawk thought I was Town. Hasn't said anything about me for some time and is now considering me Scum despite his earlier comment that it's better to “assume” I am Town since my Scum game sucks.
Post 377: Bur is Town and I feel a lot better about ika. Ika leaning town.
I'm not liking the push from ika on Iso. Taking the earlier interactions though I just see this as ika having blinders on.
Post 393: Votecount: 5 players on hawk. Antny and Citric are the only stand outs for being Scum. Rhand and hawk are on the Iso wagon with 2 others, ika and kami. Rhand has been very inactive, could be lurking Scum, but that will come out in the wash if others are not Scum. Hunger is the lone vote on confirmed Town kami. Bur and Seppel are also lone votes, but both are Town based on play this game. I'm looking at Antny, Hunger, Gawk and Citric for the primary Scum possiblities. Rhand is a distant fifth if any of those flip Town.
Post 402/403: I call out Hawk for not giving us proper reads and I receive a cop out answer instead which is also a blatant lie as hawk has voted for a couple players without reason.
Post 409: hawk calls for a Rhand lynch because Rhand is V/LA. Bad attempt to get the pressure off of him.
Post 417: hawk has a conflicting read on Iso, but had no issue blindly following others onto the Iso wagon earlier in the game.
Post 429: Gold mine for when hawk flips Scum.
Post 498: Hawk has a Town read on Hunger.
Post 506: Hunger resurfaces and begins drilling hawk. Hunger solely focuses on hawk, ika and Citric despite many other posts/interactions that should have been commented on. Hunger is at a point of having a major disconnect from this game.
Post 510: Hawk solidifies his Town read on Hunger
Post 522: Votecount: The only notable changes are that Seppel and haek are now voting Kami. Scum reads don't change here.
Post 534: Iso claims that kami is Town, then hawk is Scum.
Post 539: I'm no longer seeing anything between ika and Citric. Not sure what I was seeing now. Citric and hawk could be Scum buddies, but I'm looking more at hawk/Antny/Hunger at this point. Citric as a 4th and Rhand as a distant 5th for his V/LA status for the majority of the game.
Post 541: Citric votes obvious Town DCIII.
Post 542: I agree with Seppel and that votecount being the most important.
Post 547: Antny is 10 pages behind (250 posts) and we get minimal for analysis. Calls out a hawk/Citric/Seppel scum team being very bussy. But that doesn't make sense with Seppel believing that hawk is Town.
Post 577: Rhand has DCIII leaning Scum and a Town read on Hawk.
Post 600: This where the game turns into a spam fest of who is willing to lynch who and what not.
Post 679: Rhand and DCIII are not Scum together. If one flips Scum, then the other is Town.
Post 683: Antny's best post of the game thus far. Still believe that Antny is Scum though.
So much uselss posting. The Day drags on and on and on.
Post 845: Another t/s list from hawk. Good for when hawk flips Scum.
Post 924: I'm with ika on wanting to lynch Hunger.
Post 944: Ika, I'm not sure why Iso was the NK. Most of the game was Iso screwing around and being frustrated with you. His reads kept changing with exception to myself, Kami and Hawk. At this point, I am willing to lynch either hawk or Hunger. Both are likely to be Scum at this point.
Post 946: hawk is now calling me Scum, again, even though his earlier post said he was Town reading me because of Iso and Rhand. Hawk is Scum.
Post 963: This post does nothing to sway my read on Hunger.
Post 1003: @Seppel: Cathedral grimore is there.
Post 1023: I'm Town. Good to see you finally see Hunger as Scum. Hawk and Antny are also Scum. Likely Scum with Citric being a fourth and Rhand or DCIII as a distant 5th still.
Post 1062: Over compensation? I got disconnected from the game and needed to get myself reinvolved in the game. I have now done so. If you still believe me to be Scum, then so be it.
I submitted my search at the start of Day 2 prior to discussion. I searched Sanctum due to my Role PM.
Town
Bur
Seppel
ika
Depends on flip
DCIII (If Town, then Rhand is Scum)
Rhand (If Town, then DCIII is Scum)
Scum
Antny
Hunger
Hawk
Citric
Vote: Hunger
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2) How could you have searched D2 before discussion? Discussion was done on D1.
He searched city walls early day 1 and let everyone know. If he was scum he could have stated silent which would have been correct effectively wasting town searches. We should lynch anty or dciii.
Why are you assuming Hunger told the truth in the same breath that you're assuming he's scum?
I'm pretty sure I was wrong about being wrong about Hawk.
Right now those suspecting Hunger are basically the exact same core that were on the Kami wagon (Citric, Seppel, Void, Rhand).
Only people not on this one that were on Kami are Hawk and Hunger (obv) and only person new to this wagon is Ika (who said he'd have hammered Kami).
So really no one suspecting Hunger who wasn't willing to lynch Kami. This. Is. Bad. Ju ju. Yet a bunch of players expressed suspicion of Citric and momentum has never really built in that direction despite several attempts.
My gut is saying Citric, Hawk and Rhand - more confident about Citric and Hawk. It would be great if people started listening to me this game.
ill do rhand first if you want to go with that avanue.
im not gonna do hawk toDay mostly cus he found his grimore and that tommow he will have to expalin his power
cirtus i could do for compermise but its stating to feel like town!critic but again its also that he just knows how to emulate town as scum with me.
really at this point im tired and really the only way we are going to make progress is by getting a lynch. ive grown board of the gamestate and want to die but we all know the great wifom will not kill me.
also add in that rl has been taking someewhat of a toll on me but dont know if its for better or for worse
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i propose massclaim for tomorrow actions and all
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offhand we have you, void (his read on one anohter is dependent on a flip of you/rhand iirc, and me (hes one of the overlaps of where my scum team idea is)
31+ hours without anyone else saying anything meaningful.
"Anything meaningful"
Sorry for absence, I had a really busy weekend.
I recall we were all supposed to provide reads and I hadn't given mine yet, so here we go:
Town:
Bur - Duh.
Seppel - The effort and thougt he'd put into this game lately screams town to me.
Lean Town:
DCIII - This seems like town!DCIII
Void - Clearly focused on solving the game and I like his points.
ika - Hellbent on his plan, but still all that frustration that we've seen seems to comes from town than from mafia.
Neutral:
Hunger - Need to reread him...
Citric - .. and him too.
(Neither of them have really stood out to me.)
Lean Mafia:
Anthy - Her posts feel much like . Also, if Hawk flips mafia, she's my #1 for his partner-in-crime.
Rhand - While I haven't played much with him, town!Rhand seems bit more aggressive than this (despite his RL-problems). Also, I'd like to see some analysis from you.
Mafia:
Hawk - Seriously, let's lynch this one, please.
More analysis coming tomorrow, I'm heading to bed now.
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31+ hours without anyone else saying anything meaningful.
"Anything meaningful"
Sorry for absence, I had a really busy weekend.
I recall we were all supposed to provide reads and I hadn't given mine yet, so here we go:
Town:
Bur - Duh.
Seppel - The effort and thougt he'd put into this game lately screams town to me.
Lean Town:
DCIII - This seems like town!DCIII
Void - Clearly focused on solving the game and I like his points.
ika - Hellbent on his plan, but still all that frustration that we've seen seems to comes from town than from mafia.
Neutral:
Hunger - Need to reread him...
Citric - .. and him too.
(Neither of them have really stood out to me.)
Lean Mafia:
Anthy - Her posts feel much like . Also, if Hawk flips mafia, she's my #1 for his partner-in-crime.
Rhand - While I haven't played much with him, town!Rhand seems bit more aggressive than this (despite his RL-problems). Also, I'd like to see some analysis from you.
Mafia:
Hawk - Seriously, let's lynch this one, please.
More analysis coming tomorrow, I'm heading to bed now.
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Specifically also because of this: "Why am I town if Citric is scum?"
I said the same thing yesterday but he didn't bring it up - he's only bringing it up now
And before that I don't believe you once mentioned me or interacted with me.
On the first quote, why is Ika prime for mafia to try to misslynch? Why is he better than say, you or hawk who were towards the top suspects yesterDay? Also, what in that reasoning makes you think I am scum? What does it say about the other people that voted Ika toDay?
Specifically also because of this: "Why am I town if Citric is scum?"
I said the same thing yesterday but he didn't bring it up - he's only bringing it up now
Wait? You said I was town if you were scum? That doesn't make sense.
I mean, I know that's not what you actually meant, but I still wanted to see you clarify exactly what/who you were talking about. I wanted to see you put forth the effort. Without even knowing the answer, I can pretty much guarantee the context was different, the game state was different, and the people involved were different. And since you seem to be content not putting forth an effort to answer or try to make an actual case, I am going to iso your posts and see if I can figure out what you are referring to...and this must be it?
@Hunger
Do you know what it's like to be caught on your first post of the game? (Thank you, Iso for this one)
Do you know what it is like to get called out on a meta read late in Day 1 to end up being the lynch because of that meta read? (Thank you, Rhand for this one)
There are two people in this game that know what my Scum game looks like. Those two people are Iso and Rhand. Hawk is not one them, but he does recognize that I lurk more as Scum than Town and tried to push that meta on me. Yes, I reacted harshly, but that's because hawk cannot read me like the Iso and Rhand. Hawk also fails to realize that RL happens and even the best Town players will lurk from time to time. IMO, I didn't lurk much at all, but hawk saw an opportunity to try and call out my Scum meta, but failed miserably.
My current read on hawk depends on the flip of Citric at this point. If Citric flips Scum, then hawk will be a Town read. If Citric flips Town, then hawk becomes Scum suspect #1 for me.
Why does me being town predicate Hawk scum?
How does YOU asking about a YOU/hawk dichotomy, predicate me being scum for not commenting on it while I'm asking about a ME/you dichotomy? In fact, shouldn't this make me more likely town in your eyes if you are town? I am displaying the same mindset that you were, you asked about someone creating a dichotomy involving yourself, I asked someone about a dichotomy involving myself.
Point being it's a bad argument, your vote looks completely opportunistic, and it's pretty obvious you don't really care to try and sell it or you would have replied to me originally (it's not like my response was buried in a big post, it was literally only the quote from you and my question for clarification), or maybe actually gone through the effort to dig up the situation and actually push me and show why it's scummy. You haven't done any of that. You parked your vote with some lame reasoning and left it at that. It's pretty much the definition of coasting.
I see what you're doing and I like you for it. Unfortunately I don't think it's going to help.
I'd love to be proven wrong though.
i think your still missing the bigger picture here that you neevr gave a ***** about my plan, the moment i said "***** it" you went out and did your own thing. you never seems to directly question it, you never even seems to care if you followed it or not.
also, you are missing the underlying fact that i always have a backup plan that almost nobody knows about.
you still have yet to bring up the questions you asked that i ignored even.
i dont read giant question post that nobody seems to care about. im fairly confident that my death/the next day will make a full circle of everything. i know a lot more then you make me out to be
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I don't like the feeling of this game state - like, most of the people I feel pretty good about are coming under fire and I don't trust the most vocal voices but I'm getting a lot of mixed signals. Feels like something is off right now.
Citric’s 957 and 968 feel like buddying Ika, which is throwing me because I came into Today thinking Ika and Citric together - a lot of Ika’s lines of pursuit just don’t make any sense to me, like his approach to Citric Yesterday and now he suspects Hunger and Seppel for old Iso reads - but doesn’t back down from that when called on it, and just flatly tells Hunger that inconsistencies are what he does which is something I dunno if he'd admit to as scum.
I want to lynch Citric - re-read how he wound down the Day Yesterday. And I feel like he's just kind of nestling in with the louder voices of Ika and Seppel Today and then talking about mechanics.
Unvote: Vote: Citric
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I’d have thought Seppel would have been more aware about who Iso was suspecting when Ika pressed him on it if he were scum, and admitting that he made up his town read on Hunger doesn’t seem like something I’d think he’d do as scum - but the fact that he bothered to defend himself to Ika about that point I don't like from him. He seems to care a little too much what people think of him for Seppel.
Hawk I had felt better about because of how those I was most suspecting approached him Yesterday and how he voted me at the beginning of the day and didn’t feel the need to elaborate – cause that doesn’t feel like something he’d do as scum after getting the Night to think about it – but now he just seems focused on grimoires and isn’t doing anything else, feels like he's content to just let Today happen.
@Hunger - re: Rhand and Citric – People can change reads, but if they’re mechanics or PM related, typically that locks them into a stance that they wouldn’t be able to back down from – so I don’t see Citric as being very likely to pursue that line with Rhand if he was busing early.
Bur – what are your reads right now?
Leaning town on Antny because I like his reads and his last post felt assured.
Void is probably Town, he’s more obstinate as Town, more careful, and far less self-conscious/apologetic, and I see that here.
Hunger is also probably Town – his reactions to the pressure feel genuine and I don't like his wagon at all.
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@Citric - what do you think of Rhand now and why?
@Hawk - what are your reads other than me?
@Seppel - what happened to your read on Void? Reiterate for me why you think it's obvious Hunger is mafia and how your case is different from Ika's.
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DC does have a vaild point. but at the same time im uncertain...
DC: who do you think is most likey cirts scum buddies? the one key problem i have most of the time is that citus is fully aware of just about all my traps and trciks so hes able to craft his play to emulate what i would be expecting. to me it feels like the game is solved but it doesnt fit.
god now im all paranoid by everyone and everythign again.
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know what we need a good old fasion easy to read list by everyone:
1. Rhand - something about his activity just feels off. i cant quite peg it but i would expect rhand to be at least more vocal or active
2. Antny223 - i need to read up again or have him talk to me. its been a while scince i last remember his post
3. Seppel - talks to me at least and feels genuine
4. Void - its one of those paranois things that makes me weary. iso called him town but i dunno i want o hear more out of void
5. ika42 - town
6. CitricBase - recent meta/play says town, but paranoia says scum.
7. Hunger - still find him to be scummy and still think hes scum. if he settle down and talks to me better i can find out if hes just scummy town or just flat out scum
8. 7hawk77 - hawk has been droping off so hes starting to irk me i would liek to see more from him
9. DCIII - looks like town!dc from the cross game with MS/MTG
10. Bur - small quips here and there but they are focal points, im fairly confident that if bur is scum it will be known soon enough
everyone plz do this
What do you think happened to my read on Void?
Hunger is scum because he's not acting like his town self (he feels more invested in this game than when he's town) and his language choices are so scummy.
1. Rhand - Town - keeps ssying he's busy but it doesn't feel like Manders Busy. The way he revealed his info felt very townie.
2. Antny223 - Scummy - His posts largely seem pointless, and the way he rushed in to defend Hunger is just so bizarre.
3. Seppel - Town - hi!
4. Void - Scum - Nobody has such waning activity then promises a FULL REREAD. That is just ridiculous overcompensation.
5. ika42 - Town - I know his archetype. He'll be very easy to catch one day when he's scum.
6. CitricBase - Town - I don't remember why I read him as town, but I haven't seen a reason to question my read yet.
7. Hunger - Scum - See above!
8. 7hawk77 - Town-ish - I agree with Ika that Hawk's contributions are lacking from yesterDay. He said he was going to compile search results, and I was so happy... but then he never followed through with that.
9. DCIII - Meh - I haven't been able to find anything alignment-indicative here. He's either playing his cards close to his chest or I'm bad at reading him. He's a good player regardless of alignment.
10. Bur - Town - Ranked #2 in "most sincere posts in the entire game." Second only to Ika.
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Why are you assuming Hunger told the truth in the same breath that you're assuming he's scum?
Why lynch DC3?
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Post 29: ika gives more than what I requested out of good nature. Possible AtE to waiver the heat.
Post 33: DCIII joins Iso on with a vote on ika.
Post 41: Iso points to Post 12 and Post 25 as for reason to vote ika. The two posts don't make much sense together coming from a Town mindset.
Post 42: ika comes in harsh and believes that Iso is trying to Policy lynch him. Even if that were the case, there is other information in the thread that would point towards the ika wagon not being a policy lynch.
Back and forth commences between Iso and ika. Iso comes out looking a lot stronger for it.
Post 50: Rhand makes his RVS vote an official on Iso. Asks for a weird meta question about Iso that would not mean anything. Comes across as Rhand trying to validate his vote since his own comment is “His rvs posts give me the shivers.” If it's RVS than there shouldn't have been a need for the vote.
Post 69: ika gives more than 2 games again, but this could simply be follow up from giving more than 2 Scum games for a consistency PoV.
Post 99: iso unvotes ika calling ika Town.
Post 100: Rhand responds to my question and give a straight forward answer. Reads to me that Rhand is starting to believe that Kami could be Scum.
Post 101: Weak vote from hawk on Bur. Tone... really... from RVS? Fisrt post from hawk this game. Follows up in Post 105. Hawk begins spamming the thread.
Post 111: Hunger gives his thoughts on the game. The lack of vote considering how much Hunber disliked Iso's play is a disconnect. The whole line of VT can't hold Scum accountable comes across as forced. Town needs their Protective/Investigation roles is BS and comes across as trying to out those roles ASAP. It also jumps to the conclusion that that information would be shared. The game talk only talks about location of grimores and nothing more.
Post 112: Still do not like that hawk is assuming I am Town. This allows for hawk to change his mind on a whims notice. Town would not be looking to do this.
Post 118: Kami is seeing part of what I see in Hungers post.
Post 120: Iso calls out a Hunger/Antny/Kami scum team with hawk as a distant 4th. I can't helpy but wonder if Iso got 2 of the three Scum here and this why Iso was killed.
Post 122: Hunger calls Antny's question at Iso a townslip... But than contradicts this statement by calling the vote in Mirror forced.
Post 131: Bur's questioning on meta reads genuine and gives me Town vibes.
Post 151: I agree with what DCIII has said about hawk here. I get a strong Town read on DCIII from this entire post.
Post 159: Don't like the fish attempt by Antny for Role information. AFAWK, grimores are limited and not everyone will be able to get a grimore to activate their role. If that information is true, then this post reads like Antny knows this information some how. If Antny does flip Scum, then it's safe to assume that the Mafia have more knowledge about the grimores than the Town does. Proceeds to latch onto hawk's idea of voting on revealing information. Takes my question about to Bur Re: assuming Night Talk and asks an awkward question about it. The detailed reason for voting ME comes across forced. The two votes on ME are rather weak and that is much stronger information to go on at this point. Iso calling out Antny/Hunger/Hawk in Post 120 seems legit since Antny is avoiding meaningful interactions with them at this point in the game.
Post 160: Bur confirms that he wasn't looking for full reveal. This point even further that Hunger took the information to far.
Post 163: Hawk begins to discredit DCIII for having four scummy people in his list. Iso did the same thing, but hawk did not question Iso on this.
Post 164: Hunger uses cop outs more than anything else with his answers. The “Townslip” is complete BS. Bigger note is that Hunger does not interact with either hawk or Antny.
Post 174: Makes me feel better about ika. I'm hesitamt to call him Town though based on the meta read.
Post 176: Kami votes for ika. Noted for the fact that Kami flipped Town.
Post 187: Hawk's response does not settle well with me. Assuming I am Town and reading my as Town are two different things all together. Claims he is not looking for a reason to vote me.
Post 192: Either Hunger is being dense on purpose or he's not trying to read into the reasons why. I may be barning some people, but that's because they saw what I did when I asked questions about Kami. My reason for voting Hunger should have been obvious as a couple others did notice.
Post 201: If hawk likes to figure out who Town is first and work with them to find scum, then why did hawk come into this game voting Bur on his second post? That's not looking for Town like hawk claims he was doing.
Post 221: hawk asks Antny for thoughts on players from Unreal Tournament. The question reads as a disconnect/force since there has been minimal interaction with the two at this point. This makes me believe that hawk is trying hard to communicate with a Scumbuddy.
Post 215: Votecount comes in at a good time. Hunger being the sole player not voting give me a stronger Scum read on him if not stronger, then solidifying my Scum read on him. The VC analysis also points to hawk, Antny, Rhand and Citric being possible Scum as well.
Post 263: Antny asks hawk a question that does not match up to what hawk was pointing out. What needs to be explained? I'm liking the hawk/Antny Scumbuddy idea. The question to Iso about the role concern does not mesh with what Iso was getting at. I don't see the need to point out that hawk engaged Antny in this post. That reads very forced and makes me believe that either one flips Scum, then the Mafia may have Day Talk. Antny leaves the window open to vote hawk since the read is not solid. Calls out Citric for not Scumhunting, but in the quoted post Citric is Scumhunting with the question about his vote to ika. Last I checked that helps gather reads on other players. Gives thoughts on hawk claiming to have liked the post, but is feeling hawk is town? That goes against what Antny was saying earlier in the post.
Post 281: Antny votes hawk. Had to wait for the right time to do it? But it was post 279 that made Antny vote hawk. What about the rest of his posting? More weird interactions from from these two.
Post 286: Hunger votes for confirmed Townie Kami without reason.
Post 288: If anyone votes for DCIII they are most likely to be Scum. There is no way that DCIII is Scum this game.
Post 289: Antny accepts hawk reasoning of a typo/cell phone glitch, but still finds it Scummy. Vote remains on hawk and Antny feels content about when talking to Iso. This is a major switch in gears from what Antny was saying 26 posts earlier. Indecisive to conviction to uncertainty.
Post 297: hawk thinks DCIII is Scum which means hawk is Scum. Mentions a Policy Lynch when there is no need to. Follows up with a vote on Iso in Post 299. Not sure where that vote came from. I don't see anything said about Iso in his most recent previous posts.
Post 300: Antny is now guns blazing with a lynch on hawk. Behavior is all over the place here in regards to hawk.
Post 302/303: ika buddies up to hawk. If one of hawk/hunger/antny flip Town, then ika is a 4th possiblity.
Post 308: Votecount! Hunger is now voting confirmed Town Kami with confirmed Town Iso as the lead. Great place for Scum to be there. Antny is also in a good position to be Scum on the hawk wagon. More so with the weird behavior exhibited between the two. Not much to say about Hawk being on the Iso wagon that I haven't already said. Non entities this game are Bur, Rhand and ME/Seppel. I'm still town reading Bur at this point. ME/Seppel and Rhand could be Scum, but I am not seeing/feeling based on the current play of others. Citric is another Scum possibility. His vote on Rhand doesn't make sense and his vote on hawk in Post 311 is weak.
Post 314: Seppel votes for Bur...
Lots of useless posts. Seppel being... well Seppel. At least he is actively trying to figure the game out even if hes not reading the first part of the game. Iso's frustration...
Post 350: Hawk switches gears from Iso to Citric. Citric's follow up in Post 353 is awful. Seppel votes Citric in the following post.
Post 355: Hunger is now okay with lynching hawk as well, but keeps his vote on a confirmed townie. To me that indicates that Hunger does believe that hawk Scum slipped earlier. That would mean that hawk is the better case here.
Post 357: Iso claims Seppel/Hawk/Arch as the Scum team as his “final answser”. Arch is confirmed Town and I am town reading Seppel for actively trying to solve the game.
Post 360: hawk says there is no point in talking to Scum, but has been talking to everyone else in the game that he has believed to be Scum at one point or another. BS excuse.
Post 369: Hawk thought I was Town. Hasn't said anything about me for some time and is now considering me Scum despite his earlier comment that it's better to “assume” I am Town since my Scum game sucks.
Post 377: Bur is Town and I feel a lot better about ika. Ika leaning town.
I'm not liking the push from ika on Iso. Taking the earlier interactions though I just see this as ika having blinders on.
Post 393: Votecount: 5 players on hawk. Antny and Citric are the only stand outs for being Scum. Rhand and hawk are on the Iso wagon with 2 others, ika and kami. Rhand has been very inactive, could be lurking Scum, but that will come out in the wash if others are not Scum. Hunger is the lone vote on confirmed Town kami. Bur and Seppel are also lone votes, but both are Town based on play this game. I'm looking at Antny, Hunger, Gawk and Citric for the primary Scum possiblities. Rhand is a distant fifth if any of those flip Town.
Post 402/403: I call out Hawk for not giving us proper reads and I receive a cop out answer instead which is also a blatant lie as hawk has voted for a couple players without reason.
Post 409: hawk calls for a Rhand lynch because Rhand is V/LA. Bad attempt to get the pressure off of him.
Post 417: hawk has a conflicting read on Iso, but had no issue blindly following others onto the Iso wagon earlier in the game.
Post 429: Gold mine for when hawk flips Scum.
Post 498: Hawk has a Town read on Hunger.
Post 506: Hunger resurfaces and begins drilling hawk. Hunger solely focuses on hawk, ika and Citric despite many other posts/interactions that should have been commented on. Hunger is at a point of having a major disconnect from this game.
Post 510: Hawk solidifies his Town read on Hunger
Post 522: Votecount: The only notable changes are that Seppel and haek are now voting Kami. Scum reads don't change here.
Post 534: Iso claims that kami is Town, then hawk is Scum.
Post 539: I'm no longer seeing anything between ika and Citric. Not sure what I was seeing now. Citric and hawk could be Scum buddies, but I'm looking more at hawk/Antny/Hunger at this point. Citric as a 4th and Rhand as a distant 5th for his V/LA status for the majority of the game.
Post 541: Citric votes obvious Town DCIII.
Post 542: I agree with Seppel and that votecount being the most important.
Post 547: Antny is 10 pages behind (250 posts) and we get minimal for analysis. Calls out a hawk/Citric/Seppel scum team being very bussy. But that doesn't make sense with Seppel believing that hawk is Town.
Post 577: Rhand has DCIII leaning Scum and a Town read on Hawk.
Post 600: This where the game turns into a spam fest of who is willing to lynch who and what not.
Post 679: Rhand and DCIII are not Scum together. If one flips Scum, then the other is Town.
Post 683: Antny's best post of the game thus far. Still believe that Antny is Scum though.
So much uselss posting. The Day drags on and on and on.
Post 845: Another t/s list from hawk. Good for when hawk flips Scum.
Post 924: I'm with ika on wanting to lynch Hunger.
Post 944: Ika, I'm not sure why Iso was the NK. Most of the game was Iso screwing around and being frustrated with you. His reads kept changing with exception to myself, Kami and Hawk. At this point, I am willing to lynch either hawk or Hunger. Both are likely to be Scum at this point.
Post 946: hawk is now calling me Scum, again, even though his earlier post said he was Town reading me because of Iso and Rhand. Hawk is Scum.
Post 963: This post does nothing to sway my read on Hunger.
Post 1003: @Seppel: Cathedral grimore is there.
Post 1023: I'm Town. Good to see you finally see Hunger as Scum. Hawk and Antny are also Scum. Likely Scum with Citric being a fourth and Rhand or DCIII as a distant 5th still.
Post 1062: Over compensation? I got disconnected from the game and needed to get myself reinvolved in the game. I have now done so. If you still believe me to be Scum, then so be it.
I submitted my search at the start of Day 2 prior to discussion. I searched Sanctum due to my Role PM.
Town
Bur
Seppel
ika
Depends on flip
DCIII (If Town, then Rhand is Scum)
Rhand (If Town, then DCIII is Scum)
Scum
Antny
Hunger
Hawk
Citric
Vote: Hunger
Can't tell if you're trying to purposefully spin me in a negative light or you just aren't that consistent with your mindset through your wall
If there's something I missed feel free to point it out, but it just seems like the case on Hunger is based on nothing.
I searched the Keep yesterday, so I assume that I'm still there until I search somewhere else today.
It doesn't seem particularly townie to me.
@Seppel - I searched the keep yesterday. There was something there.
Except for me. Remember when commented on it a few posts earlier.
I was typing as the thoughts came to my head. The only way that would still affect you is if Rhand is Scum. That should have been rather obvious though...
Nothing new/different from what? What is your read on him?
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
What's wrong using the phrase calling him scum exactly?
And when do scum help out town but creating a plan that helps the town catch them?
Right so when you said "DC3/Hunger/Antny" you weren't implying DC3 was scum? What was that list of names then?
Again with the scumbuddies question. And why does the rest of this feel so much a fencesit on Citrus. If I wasn't so sure on Seppel I would really want to think it ika/Citrus/Hawk given the way you defended both of them.
Anyway, you want a t/s list. Here goes:
1. Rhand - Null. I keep forgetting he's in this game. Nothing so far has given any real inclination one way or another.
3. Seppel - Scum. The normal unfocused, difficult to deal with Seppel, but I disagree with most of reads and I've been getting a bad feel off the way he dodged my questions.
4. Void - Town. This doesn't feel like Walking Dead Void, and he seems committed to finding scum which often enough to read him.
5. ika42 - Lean scum. I'm hesistant with his read. Plenty of stuff that reads scummy and yet half of me says "but it's ika".
6. CitricBase - Lean scum. I think I reread this slot as well sometime.
7. Hunger - Town. Feels like his previous towngames (althought I've only played with town Hunger) and he analyse questioning bears often agrees with mine.
8. 7hawk77 - Scum. Can't believe we might actually go another day without lynching him.
9. DCIII - Lean town. His play still feels very townie, and he seeing a lot of things I see. My biggest reservation is the fact he was so convincing as scum in Xyamande, but at this point I see no reason to suspect him.
10. Bur - Null. Nothing particularly stands out from Bur. He needs to post more, but given the rl issues I can be patient.
I'll have to read Void's bigpost later.
@Void - It would be helpful if you could post any brief conclusions, summaries, etc from your reread beyond the town/scum list. For instance what in particularly did you find scummy about Hunger.
1) This is unreadable. There are no links or even bold text on important lines. Please fix this before turning in the final draft of your paper.
2) How could you have searched D2 before discussion? Discussion was done on D1.
3) What were the results of your searches?
You call me town for being unfocused but then turn around and call me scum for being unfocused enough to miss your questions.
Still waiting on my search results.
48 hours later...
VL/A until december 4th
If that is a problem I don't mind getting replaced.
(I will still post, but limited on phone and bad wifi)
@Seppel: What do you think of Seppel?
That's a busywork question. You haven't even expressed an opinion!
Yes I did, on post #Seppel.
Seriously, you expect me to go digging through posts on curse? Provide a link if you want to be taken seriously.
You dodged the question. Vote Seppel
Wow. All I did was ask for a link, and now you've gone haywire. Vote Seppel.
What an OMGUS vote! But I think you're town, so I'll Unvote
Oh, you're not getting away so easily. Confirm vote. Lynch this scum.
Right now those suspecting Hunger are basically the exact same core that were on the Kami wagon (Citric, Seppel, Void, Rhand).
Only people not on this one that were on Kami are Hawk and Hunger (obv) and only person new to this wagon is Ika (who said he'd have hammered Kami).
So really no one suspecting Hunger who wasn't willing to lynch Kami. This. Is. Bad. Ju ju. Yet a bunch of players expressed suspicion of Citric and momentum has never really built in that direction despite several attempts.
My gut is saying Citric, Hawk and Rhand - more confident about Citric and Hawk. It would be great if people started listening to me this game.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
im not gonna do hawk toDay mostly cus he found his grimore and that tommow he will have to expalin his power
cirtus i could do for compermise but its stating to feel like town!critic but again its also that he just knows how to emulate town as scum with me.
really at this point im tired and really the only way we are going to make progress is by getting a lynch. ive grown board of the gamestate and want to die but we all know the great wifom will not kill me.
also add in that rl has been taking someewhat of a toll on me but dont know if its for better or for worse
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i propose massclaim for tomorrow actions and all
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offhand we have you, void (his read on one anohter is dependent on a flip of you/rhand iirc, and me (hes one of the overlaps of where my scum team idea is)
There's been a few. I'll need a block of time to gather them altogether.
I never called you town for being unfocused.
CitricBase (1) - DCIII
DCIII (1) - 7hawk77
Hunger (2) - CitricBase, Void
ika42 (1) - Hunger
Seppel (1) - Antny223
Not voting: Bur, Seppel, Rhand, ika42
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With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
I will do prod checks this afternoon.
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I should have a little bit of time to post later.
@DC3 & Antny: You guys are up for searching now.
Here's an update on the game status:
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Location information! (Assuming everyone is telling the truth.)
Locations that are confirmed to contain Grimoires: 2 (Cathedral, Undercity)
Locations whose Grimoire status is unknown: 5 (Temple, Catacombs, Forest, Center, Keep)
Locations that are confirmed to not contain Grimoires: 3 (Sanctum, Mines, Walls)
Grimoires remaining: 8 (DC3, Antny, Ika, Void, Hunger, Bur, Iso, Archon)
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Locations! (In order from most notable to least notable.)
Great Cathedral:
1. Something [Void D1]
Undercity:
1. Something [Seppel D1]
The Keep:
1. Something [Antny D1]
2. Something [Hunger D2]
3. Hawk's Grimoire [Hawk D2]
4. Citric's Grimoire [Citric D2]
Town Center:
1. Seppel's Grimoire [Seppel D2]
Temple of Kiltia:
1. Something [Hawk D1]
2. [Result not revealed] [Ika D1]
Catacombs:
[No info]
Snowfly Forest:
[No info]
Sanctum:
1. Something [Bur D1]
2. Something [Iso D1]
3. Something [DCIII D1]
4. Something [Archon D1]
5. Something [Void D2]
6. Rhand's Grimoire [Rhand D1]
7. Nothing [Rhand D2]
Abandoned Mines:
1. Nothing [Citric D1]
City Walls:
1. Nothing [Hunger D1]
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Search status!
[7] [+] [G] Citric
[6] [+] [G] Seppel
[6] [+] [G] Hawk
[5] DCIII
[5] Antny
[4] ika
[3] [+] Void
[3] [+] Hunger
[2] [+] [G] Rhand
[1] Bur
[#] = Suspect level
[+] = Searched toDay
[G] = Found grimoire
What was the first part of your comment about me supposed to mean, then?
"Anything meaningful"
Sorry for absence, I had a really busy weekend.
I recall we were all supposed to provide reads and I hadn't given mine yet, so here we go:
Town:
Bur - Duh.
Seppel - The effort and thougt he'd put into this game lately screams town to me.
Lean Town:
DCIII - This seems like town!DCIII
Void - Clearly focused on solving the game and I like his points.
ika - Hellbent on his plan, but still all that frustration that we've seen seems to comes from town than from mafia.
Neutral:
Hunger - Need to reread him...
Citric - .. and him too.
(Neither of them have really stood out to me.)
Lean Mafia:
Anthy - Her posts feel much like . Also, if Hawk flips mafia, she's my #1 for his partner-in-crime.
Rhand - While I haven't played much with him, town!Rhand seems bit more aggressive than this (despite his RL-problems). Also, I'd like to see some analysis from you.
Mafia:
Hawk - Seriously, let's lynch this one, please.
More analysis coming tomorrow, I'm heading to bed now.
"Anything meaningful"
Sorry for absence, I had a really busy weekend.
I recall we were all supposed to provide reads and I hadn't given mine yet, so here we go:
Town:
Bur - Duh.
Seppel - The effort and thougt he'd put into this game lately screams town to me.
Lean Town:
DCIII - This seems like town!DCIII
Void - Clearly focused on solving the game and I like his points.
ika - Hellbent on his plan, but still all that frustration that we've seen seems to comes from town than from mafia.
Neutral:
Hunger - Need to reread him...
Citric - .. and him too.
(Neither of them have really stood out to me.)
Lean Mafia:
Anthy - Her posts feel much like . Also, if Hawk flips mafia, she's my #1 for his partner-in-crime.
Rhand - While I haven't played much with him, town!Rhand seems bit more aggressive than this (despite his RL-problems). Also, I'd like to see some analysis from you.
Mafia:
Hawk - Seriously, let's lynch this one, please.
More analysis coming tomorrow, I'm heading to bed now.
On the first quote, why is Ika prime for mafia to try to misslynch? Why is he better than say, you or hawk who were towards the top suspects yesterDay? Also, what in that reasoning makes you think I am scum? What does it say about the other people that voted Ika toDay?
As for the second, I asked: I mean, I know that's not what you actually meant, but I still wanted to see you clarify exactly what/who you were talking about. I wanted to see you put forth the effort. Without even knowing the answer, I can pretty much guarantee the context was different, the game state was different, and the people involved were different. And since you seem to be content not putting forth an effort to answer or try to make an actual case, I am going to iso your posts and see if I can figure out what you are referring to...and this must be it?
How does YOU asking about a YOU/hawk dichotomy, predicate me being scum for not commenting on it while I'm asking about a ME/you dichotomy? In fact, shouldn't this make me more likely town in your eyes if you are town? I am displaying the same mindset that you were, you asked about someone creating a dichotomy involving yourself, I asked someone about a dichotomy involving myself.
Point being it's a bad argument, your vote looks completely opportunistic, and it's pretty obvious you don't really care to try and sell it or you would have replied to me originally (it's not like my response was buried in a big post, it was literally only the quote from you and my question for clarification), or maybe actually gone through the effort to dig up the situation and actually push me and show why it's scummy. You haven't done any of that. You parked your vote with some lame reasoning and left it at that. It's pretty much the definition of coasting.
Also have multiple other posts/points I want to make, but don't have time currently.
I'll be VLA through Tuesday evening or Wednesday at the latest as I'm dropping from exhaustion now and IRL commitments tomorrow
I'm not scum and I have a proveable power that shoup shed some light on everyone at the keep.
Good luck town.
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@DC3 & Antny: Get to searching, now.
Please welcome him to the game!
Also, I have reset Hawk/EP's vote due to the replacement.
Yeah, you could say so.
Now, start convincing us that you aren't one.