So, from what I've gathered ika, your current plan is that we line everyone up nicely, make them tell what location everyone is going to search today, then make them search that location in order and force them to tell what they found? I still don't see how that is a good plan at all.
Sure, we get some information but that's still going to be more useful to the mafia than the town.
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I would've probably killed you Ika, because idk if I can buck you in the long-term and the longer you're alive in a game I'm scum the louder you'll shout to lynch me once I hit the point of becoming a strict scum-read to you. That's tended to happen eventually in most games whenever you focus on me
So, from what I've gathered ika, your current plan is that we line everyone up nicely, make them tell what location everyone is going to search today, then make them search that location in order and force them to tell what they found? I still don't see how that is a good plan at all.
Sure, we get some information but that's still going to be more useful to the mafia than the town.
know what nvm then, im done trying to break the game, go ahead everyone go do whatever you guys like.
i already put a plan into motion and scince nobody seems to want to try to break it with me im just going to sit here and do nothing
Hunger has not posted since the start of Day 2. I'll be lenient because of the weekend, but he has until this time tomorrow to post or he will receive a prod.
Okay ika, now it's time for you reveal your master plan how to break this game. I'm waiting...
Not sure I like how focused on Ika's plan they are. Like, Bur provided no input to the game at all and is clearly just waiting for Ika to state his plan. Seems a bit self-conscious, like he doesn't want to make the wrong move.
as i said, first everyone claims where they are going to search before we start sending people.
i rather have people locked into places where they are going to search first.
This is dumb. Why would you want to lock someone into searching somewhere? What if they find out the place they were going to search is empty, or someone found a grimoire there making it less likely theirs is also there? It just seems sub-optimal to lock in where you are going to search before you do.
I still don't like Rhand - spent time reading Hawk's scum meta, but didn't look at one of my main reasons for thinking Hawk was scum this game - which would have both helped with his read on Hawk and with his read on me. Don't buy his approach toward me this game is honest. Voted Kami but didn't give a reason why he thought he was scum or push why he should be the lynch despite him being the counter wagon to Hawk, who he was adamant is town. But I'm also thinking it's unlikely that he and Citric are scum together considering Citric's early game push on him based on Grimoire discussion. Doesn't seem like the kind of angle I'd expect Citric to take if they were buddies.[/quote]Again, why? Why wouldn't Citric, if scumbuddies with Rhand, push Rhand on something mechanical? That's like the easiest thing ever to back out of if you need to and acts as distancing until then.
Hunger – why were you moving between the Hawk and Kami wagons Yesterday? Walk me through your thought process.
They were my top scum reads pretty much the entire Day. I switched back and forth based on support for their wagons for the most part. At first I thought Kam was a lot more scummy so I stayed on him, but then hawk had a streak of really bad posts that made him look worse, and since the Kam wagon didn't really have much traction I moved over. Then Kam got to L-2 while the hawk wagon was stalling out so I switched back to Kam.
7. Hunger * - need to reread his slot but if cirtus is scum he would most likely be town
8. 7hawk77 - more on the null side atm, i want hawk to come in and talk more and give imput, the only thing that irks me is hes basing his read of town off me based of meta, unless he looked at my scum games he doesnt know my scum game itself
Why am I town if Citric is scum?
Weren't you one of the big opponents of a hawk lynch yesterDay? What changed?
I think town should be sharing info about locations to unlock their roles ASAP. Sure, it helps narrow it down for scum too, but a vanilla town can't hold scum accountable. We need to unlock our protective/investigative roles as early as we can or scum can just fire away at the most towny people without worry.
the bolded is what bugs me, the very wording of it looks like its a saying of "im not a VT"
(in b4 someone attacks me for nitpicking)
i would say hunger/seppi/??? (cirtus would be the one who fits) after looking
if you also go to the post linked and read it he just talks about a lot of "X isnt be scum with Y" wich is what i have seen scums use as a way to post and look busy (looks at cirtus)
Yeah, you are nitpicking. I think it's pretty easy to see that in the context of that post I am referring to the meta of a game in which scum knows the entire town is vanilla to start.
As for the "busywork," I guess it sort of was? I mean, it was legitimately what I was thinking at the time, but it was also my first post of the game. There wasn't a ton to go on then and I actually had reasoning on it. I believe I also developed those reads from that post and didn't just say it to say it.
the thing that bugs me most is who he was suspecting before he died. does anyone think that its odd how he kept shouting seppi and then hes dead?
Except he wasn't suspecting Seppel at the end of the Day. I think he even said something along the lines of, "sorry for suspecting you." He also changed his reads a lot through the Day and probably called almost half the people scum at some point. He had hawk as scum the entire Day though, so it's curious you would say this bothers you regarding me and Seppel and vote each of us, but put much stock in how it looks for hawk.
Also, if Iso's reads are something that really bothers you, how does that mesh with calling me a scum read? Sure, Iso called me scum at the beginning of the Day, but it was essentially based on PoE and before I was really posting. Once I started posting, Iso actually had me in the will not lynch pile.
In fact, that was my first thought on seeing Iso was the NK, that some of the reason for it was to make me look bad. He started out suspecting me mostly on PoE, then we shared a lot of the same reads and our votes mostly coincided. I thought for sure after he turned up dead someone was going to be coming after me for the way the Day ended and say I was buddying Iso after I had been suspecting him at the beginning of the Day. And while you and Citric didn't actually site that as a reason, yet, you both seem to be interested in pushing me after not mentioning me as scummy yesterDay at all that I recall. I'm sure some of it is self-bias, but it feels a bit opportunistic to me. Especially considering how weak your arguments are.
I like DC's 947. It lines up with the point I was making that a vote on me and/or Seppel doesn't make sense if Ika is so concerned with Iso's reads.
Vote: Ika
I want to look through Kam's posts still and see if I see anything. I also need to think about what it means for my scum read of hawk and probably glance over hawk's stuff too.
-i have seen nothing but questions and pointless baneter
-i completely ignored all his questions he directed towards me and comes back to post 2 more times and says nothing about it
-he opertuisicly vote hops me
-i point something out and he goes and says i am nitpicking (when i said its going to look like that)
-hes reactions to sevral post look like hes self aware (look at the citus/hunger interactions)
Does anyone know if iso generally jokes about being scum regardless of alignment? I haven't played that much with him.
Ummm, is this a scum slip? Like, why would you use the word joke there unless you know Iso is town?
I don't know, maybe I'm off base, but I feel like if it were me asking I would not assume it's a joke and say something like, "does Iso claim scum like this as either alignment?"
While I would agree with you on that point, he did say he would endorse his own lynch so I still feel like he's just gonna do his own thing.
Hey anty
thought on the unreal crew. Generic, ika, kami and myself
I can't make sense of either alignment not knowing Generic isn't in this game, but I THINK it makes more sense as town. It seems like scum would have a better idea of the player base coming into the Day.
Ah yes, hunger said there is nothing at city walls.
So town motivation: Found his thing and wanted to hide it or he doesn't want town wasting their time going there. Scum motivation: found his thing.
Considering it is unlikely to hit on the first explore, I'm gonna assume hunger is town and didn't want the majority of players wasting their move action. If he's lying then he could get caught and it would be stupid to lie about whether a Grimoire exists in a place.
Not sure if you are looking for an excuse to townclear me or just didn't think this through. There can be multiple grimoires in a location, so saying it's empty, in and of itself, would probably be a bad play as any alignment unless it actually is.
I gave my reasoning why I thought sharing it was a good idea though.
Ah yes, hunger said there is nothing at city walls.
So town motivation: Found his thing and wanted to hide it or he doesn't want town wasting their time going there. Scum motivation: found his thing.
Considering it is unlikely to hit on the first explore, I'm gonna assume hunger is town and didn't want the majority of players wasting their move action. If he's lying then he could get caught and it would be stupid to lie about whether a Grimoire exists in a place.
Don't discount the willingness of scum to gambit on a lie. And if someone counterclaims him - e.g. "I went to the City Walls and there is something there!" - he could try to spin it as that person lying. The scum motivation for such a lie would be to deter town from searching the location, thus delaying activated PRs.
Such a bad gambit. And it feels like you are just trying to sling mud here. Why not actually try to engage me on it and figure out my mindset?
im goign to waste my time and check the walls now jsut so we can get a move-on
Did you do this? I really don't think you should waste your search. Regardless of what you think of my alignment, there is no reason for me to lie about it. Best case scenario for lying would be possibly preventing town from activating a PR for an extra Day or two. There are limited options for everyone so if there is something there I would have to either hope that person dies before they search there other locations or I am called out for lying and probably lynched once they do. Or someone like you just searches there to test me out. It would really be an awful scum gambit.
Also, I don't want to set the precedent of double-checking places every time someone claims something. Scum likely aren't going to be dumb enough to lie about it, and the longer we are without our info/protective roles, the better chance scum have.
@everyone suspecting Antny - What do you think of my townslip argument on him?
I try to avoid games with the same players in them. If I'm scum in one game and town in the other, I get paranoid and think people will go to my other game and see if my read on the same player is accurate to my read in the scum game. Without going into detail, my read on Hunger was a complete lie for reasons outside of this game.
im slowly getting paranoid of everyone who just sheeped me now.....
im also getting paranoid of sevral other players....
people need to post more or soemthing at least cus at this rate im going to just fall into full ika mode where i no longer trust anyone and jsut suspect everyone
im slowly getting paranoid of everyone who just sheeped me now.....
Only Citric and I have voted Hunger. You haven't even voted him yet. So "Everyone" is just "Citric and Seppel." Also I didn't sheep you; I looked back and made my own judgment, tyvm.
Yeah, you might want to make an actual case, or I don't know, maybe reply to my post and use that as a case since it apparently makes me obvscum? Hmm, but then you would have to defend yourself.
-i have seen nothing but questions and pointless baneter
-i completely ignored all his questions he directed towards me and comes back to post 2 more times and says nothing about it
-he opertuisicly vote hops me
-i point something out and he goes and says i am nitpicking (when i said its going to look like that)
-hes reactions to sevral post look like hes self aware (look at the citus/hunger interactions)
so other then that go on and tell me why hes town
1. Questions are scummy? Why is what I post, "pointless banter?" Seriously, these are things you are probably going to have to answer if you are really determined to lynch me, so let's hear it. Prove it.
2. What do you think of my reply of, "riveting case" was about? I'll translate it for you, it's passive aggressive for, "get the f out with your no-reply calling me scum with nothing to back it up bull*****." Also, see my first reply in this post. Though it's after the fact so it means nothing now.
3. You say opportunistic I say you looked scummy on my catchup post. It was my first post of the Day, in reading the Day I found you to be inconsistent, which is scummy. Then DC, who I have had a town read on all game and who I have found to be a pretty damn good analyst, pretty much echoed the same things I was seeing and I thought he made a good case, so I voted you. I guarantee you if I didn't vote you after saying you looked scummy to me you would be in here *****ing about how my vote isn't on you.
4. Yeah, I was agreeing with your assessment of it being nitpicking. I also pointed out that you were taking that statement out of context.
5. Ummm, what interactions exactly? Me asking him what he meant because I didn't get his post? What does self aware mean to you?
Also, nice case which is all after the fact of you saying I was scum to start the Day.
I try to avoid games with the same players in them. If I'm scum in one game and town in the other, I get paranoid and think people will go to my other game and see if my read on the same player is accurate to my read in the scum game. Without going into detail, my read on Hunger was a complete lie for reasons outside of this game.[/quote]1. I call bull*****. I can't openly discuss it because GiP, but this is just false.
2. Regardless of 1, this just doesn't even make sense. You are saying you, as town, in this game are paranoid that people would look at a game in which you were scum and I was town and think you were scummy in this game because you had a different read of me? Get out. Like, do you even know what you are talking about?
I feel pretty good about scum Seppel now, too. Jumping in on the obvious counter to his buddy Ika.
Also the thing I pointed out. If he were town he would have mentioned that D1 in some way
I still don't even know what you pointed out. It looks like you are pointing out that you said if you were scum I am likely town, which obviously can't be it. So I guess you are saying you said I would be town if someone else flipped scum and I didn't question you on it? If that's the case, that's just dumb. You entirely remove context.
im slowly getting paranoid of everyone who just sheeped me now.....
Oh, so that thing I just said about Seppel helping out his buddy Ika? What's wrong Ika, was Seppel a bit too obvious there and so you had to come in with some damage control?
I try to avoid games with the same players in them. If I'm scum in one game and town in the other, I get paranoid and think people will go to my other game and see if my read on the same player is accurate to my read in the scum game. Without going into detail, my read on Hunger was a complete lie for reasons outside of this game.
1. I call bull*****. I can't openly discuss it because GiP, but this is just false.
2. Regardless of 1, this just doesn't even make sense. You are saying you, as town, in this game are paranoid that people would look at a game in which you were scum and I was town and think you were scummy in this game because you had a different read of me? Get out. Like, do you even know what you are talking about?
I feel pretty good about scum Seppel now, too. Jumping in on the obvious counter to his buddy Ika.
Hunger you might want to unvote yourself from the quotefail.
Questions are scummy?
Yes they are. Also lol.
I say you looked scummy on my catchup post.
What changed?
You are saying you, as town, in this game are paranoid that people would look at a game in which you were scum and I was town and think you were scummy in this game because you had a different read of me? Get out. Like, do you even know what you are talking about?
No, in the other game, as scum, that people would look at the game in which I'm town and see that my push to get you lynched in the scum game is complete BS. I can't say you're acting scummy in one game where you're town, then turn around in this game where you're acting completely different and again call you out as scum. Understand?
But way to come to conclusions about my alignment before getting the answers to your questions. Were you even looking for an answer or just an opportunity to omgus?
So was your plan just the same as Seppel's. We all search in order and share whether there's something left at that location? I mean when you said something game breaking I imagined it would something other than the most obvious method of going about this.
That Hunger case is a big pile of nothing.
And Seppel is good enough to see that. And yet he basically just chucks away his townread on Hunger and sheeps the case.
unvote, vote Seppel
Seppel/Citrus/Hawk that's the pile I want lynched.
heres a fun fact hunger: im a walking inconsitency, if your goign to judge me on being consitent i am going to be lynched every damn game i ever played in. but your missing the biggest picture that i have been echoing all damn game:
i have already put a plan into motion that can not be stopped and that when i die/claim the game should make a full circle
unvote
hawk im going to ask you the same question: whats your role?
of the 3 voters that were (are?) on me, 1 of them is probally scum
im also busy for a bit so i will get back to stuff later, i am saddened that my slayers gambit wont come to furition yet
There are 10 or 11 Grimoires remaining(Archon didn't find his, and Iso never claimed whether or not he found his, so that accounts for the potential +1.)
...that's assuming that dead players' grimoires still exist. If not, then there's 9 left.
Sure, we get some information but that's still going to be more useful to the mafia than the town.
i dont see you voting me for it?
know what nvm then, im done trying to break the game, go ahead everyone go do whatever you guys like.
i already put a plan into motion and scince nobody seems to want to try to break it with me im just going to sit here and do nothing
unvote
vote hunger
im going back with my origional scum read on hunger.
Not sure I like how focused on Ika's plan they are. Like, Bur provided no input to the game at all and is clearly just waiting for Ika to state his plan. Seems a bit self-conscious, like he doesn't want to make the wrong move.
This is dumb. Why would you want to lock someone into searching somewhere? What if they find out the place they were going to search is empty, or someone found a grimoire there making it less likely theirs is also there? It just seems sub-optimal to lock in where you are going to search before you do.
Why?
I still don't like Rhand - spent time reading Hawk's scum meta, but didn't look at one of my main reasons for thinking Hawk was scum this game - which would have both helped with his read on Hawk and with his read on me. Don't buy his approach toward me this game is honest. Voted Kami but didn't give a reason why he thought he was scum or push why he should be the lynch despite him being the counter wagon to Hawk, who he was adamant is town. But I'm also thinking it's unlikely that he and Citric are scum together considering Citric's early game push on him based on Grimoire discussion. Doesn't seem like the kind of angle I'd expect Citric to take if they were buddies.[/quote]Again, why? Why wouldn't Citric, if scumbuddies with Rhand, push Rhand on something mechanical? That's like the easiest thing ever to back out of if you need to and acts as distancing until then.
They were my top scum reads pretty much the entire Day. I switched back and forth based on support for their wagons for the most part. At first I thought Kam was a lot more scummy so I stayed on him, but then hawk had a streak of really bad posts that made him look worse, and since the Kam wagon didn't really have much traction I moved over. Then Kam got to L-2 while the hawk wagon was stalling out so I switched back to Kam.
Why am I town if Citric is scum?
Weren't you one of the big opponents of a hawk lynch yesterDay? What changed?
Yeah, you are nitpicking. I think it's pretty easy to see that in the context of that post I am referring to the meta of a game in which scum knows the entire town is vanilla to start.
As for the "busywork," I guess it sort of was? I mean, it was legitimately what I was thinking at the time, but it was also my first post of the game. There wasn't a ton to go on then and I actually had reasoning on it. I believe I also developed those reads from that post and didn't just say it to say it.
Except he wasn't suspecting Seppel at the end of the Day. I think he even said something along the lines of, "sorry for suspecting you." He also changed his reads a lot through the Day and probably called almost half the people scum at some point. He had hawk as scum the entire Day though, so it's curious you would say this bothers you regarding me and Seppel and vote each of us, but put much stock in how it looks for hawk.
Also, if Iso's reads are something that really bothers you, how does that mesh with calling me a scum read? Sure, Iso called me scum at the beginning of the Day, but it was essentially based on PoE and before I was really posting. Once I started posting, Iso actually had me in the will not lynch pile.
In fact, that was my first thought on seeing Iso was the NK, that some of the reason for it was to make me look bad. He started out suspecting me mostly on PoE, then we shared a lot of the same reads and our votes mostly coincided. I thought for sure after he turned up dead someone was going to be coming after me for the way the Day ended and say I was buddying Iso after I had been suspecting him at the beginning of the Day. And while you and Citric didn't actually site that as a reason, yet, you both seem to be interested in pushing me after not mentioning me as scummy yesterDay at all that I recall. I'm sure some of it is self-bias, but it feels a bit opportunistic to me. Especially considering how weak your arguments are.
I like DC's 947. It lines up with the point I was making that a vote on me and/or Seppel doesn't make sense if Ika is so concerned with Iso's reads.
Vote: Ika
I want to look through Kam's posts still and see if I see anything. I also need to think about what it means for my scum read of hawk and probably glance over hawk's stuff too.
ill claim when do partial claim l-2 and full claim l-1
more votes on me plz
I think Ika is a prime person for mafia to try to mislynch
Vote: Hunger
I said the same thing yesterday but he didn't bring it up - he's only bringing it up now
so why did you kill iso?
This was the game that I was least invested in and now it's the only one I'm still alive in.
Sounds like a good reason for you to provide some reads or thoughts... Like, do you like ika's plan?
Hi Bur, I've already answered this. Have you?
im just waitng for people to lynch hunger now
how about this one: convince me that hes town
-i have seen nothing but questions and pointless baneter
-i completely ignored all his questions he directed towards me and comes back to post 2 more times and says nothing about it
-he opertuisicly vote hops me
-i point something out and he goes and says i am nitpicking (when i said its going to look like that)
-hes reactions to sevral post look like hes self aware (look at the citus/hunger interactions)
so other then that go on and tell me why hes town
Oh. Thanks for reminding me, me.
Unvote, vote Hunger.
I try to avoid games with the same players in them. If I'm scum in one game and town in the other, I get paranoid and think people will go to my other game and see if my read on the same player is accurate to my read in the scum game. Without going into detail, my read on Hunger was a complete lie for reasons outside of this game.
im also getting paranoid of sevral other players....
people need to post more or soemthing at least cus at this rate im going to just fall into full ika mode where i no longer trust anyone and jsut suspect everyone
Citric, myself, Rhand, Bur, Hunger, Hawk, DC3, and yourself have all posted today.
Antny posted yesterday. Void posted 2 days ago.
That's everyone.
Who are you talking about?
Only Citric and I have voted Hunger. You haven't even voted him yet. So "Everyone" is just "Citric and Seppel." Also I didn't sheep you; I looked back and made my own judgment, tyvm.
Why?
WHO?
There isn't one.
1. Questions are scummy? Why is what I post, "pointless banter?" Seriously, these are things you are probably going to have to answer if you are really determined to lynch me, so let's hear it. Prove it.
2. What do you think of my reply of, "riveting case" was about? I'll translate it for you, it's passive aggressive for, "get the f out with your no-reply calling me scum with nothing to back it up bull*****." Also, see my first reply in this post. Though it's after the fact so it means nothing now.
3. You say opportunistic I say you looked scummy on my catchup post. It was my first post of the Day, in reading the Day I found you to be inconsistent, which is scummy. Then DC, who I have had a town read on all game and who I have found to be a pretty damn good analyst, pretty much echoed the same things I was seeing and I thought he made a good case, so I voted you. I guarantee you if I didn't vote you after saying you looked scummy to me you would be in here *****ing about how my vote isn't on you.
4. Yeah, I was agreeing with your assessment of it being nitpicking. I also pointed out that you were taking that statement out of context.
5. Ummm, what interactions exactly? Me asking him what he meant because I didn't get his post? What does self aware mean to you?
Also, nice case which is all after the fact of you saying I was scum to start the Day.
Oh. Thanks for reminding me, me.
Unvote, vote Hunger.
I try to avoid games with the same players in them. If I'm scum in one game and town in the other, I get paranoid and think people will go to my other game and see if my read on the same player is accurate to my read in the scum game. Without going into detail, my read on Hunger was a complete lie for reasons outside of this game.[/quote]1. I call bull*****. I can't openly discuss it because GiP, but this is just false.
2. Regardless of 1, this just doesn't even make sense. You are saying you, as town, in this game are paranoid that people would look at a game in which you were scum and I was town and think you were scummy in this game because you had a different read of me? Get out. Like, do you even know what you are talking about?
I feel pretty good about scum Seppel now, too. Jumping in on the obvious counter to his buddy Ika.
I still don't even know what you pointed out. It looks like you are pointing out that you said if you were scum I am likely town, which obviously can't be it. So I guess you are saying you said I would be town if someone else flipped scum and I didn't question you on it? If that's the case, that's just dumb. You entirely remove context.
Oh, so that thing I just said about Seppel helping out his buddy Ika? What's wrong Ika, was Seppel a bit too obvious there and so you had to come in with some damage control?
1. I call bull*****. I can't openly discuss it because GiP, but this is just false.
2. Regardless of 1, this just doesn't even make sense. You are saying you, as town, in this game are paranoid that people would look at a game in which you were scum and I was town and think you were scummy in this game because you had a different read of me? Get out. Like, do you even know what you are talking about?
I feel pretty good about scum Seppel now, too. Jumping in on the obvious counter to his buddy Ika.
Yes they are. Also lol.
What changed?
No, in the other game, as scum, that people would look at the game in which I'm town and see that my push to get you lynched in the scum game is complete BS. I can't say you're acting scummy in one game where you're town, then turn around in this game where you're acting completely different and again call you out as scum. Understand?
But way to come to conclusions about my alignment before getting the answers to your questions. Were you even looking for an answer or just an opportunity to omgus?
So was your plan just the same as Seppel's. We all search in order and share whether there's something left at that location? I mean when you said something game breaking I imagined it would something other than the most obvious method of going about this.
That Hunger case is a big pile of nothing.
And Seppel is good enough to see that. And yet he basically just chucks away his townread on Hunger and sheeps the case.
unvote, vote Seppel
Seppel/Citrus/Hawk that's the pile I want lynched.
Bur day 1 sanctum. Not his
Iso day 1 sanctum not his
hawk day 1 temple of kiltia not mine
hunger day 1 city walls nothing
I'm gonna submit searching keep now.
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Rhand day 2 sanctum nothing
Please read the game. I'm not sure if you're lying on purpose or lying because you legitimately don't understand what happened.
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i have already put a plan into motion that can not be stopped and that when i die/claim the game should make a full circle
unvote
hawk im going to ask you the same question: whats your role?
of the 3 voters that were (are?) on me, 1 of them is probally scum
im also busy for a bit so i will get back to stuff later, i am saddened that my slayers gambit wont come to furition yet
Same tune, something something verse as the first.
Also this quote from hawk is pretty towny.
Ika
Antny
Void
DCIII
Location information! (In order from most notable to least notable.)
Temple of Kiltia:
1. Something [Hawk D1]
Undercity:
1. Something [Seppel D1]
Catacombs:
[No info]
Great Cathedral:
[No info]
Snowfly Forest:
[No info]
The Keep:
[No info]
Town Center:
[No info]
Sanctum:
1. Something [Bur D1]
2. Something [Iso D1]
3. Something [Archon D1]
3. Rhand's Grimoire [Rhand D1]
4. Nothing [Rhand D2]
Abandoned Mines:
1. Nothing [Citric D1]
City Walls:
1. Nothing [Hunger D1]
There are 10 or 11 Grimoires remaining (Archon didn't find his, and Iso never claimed whether or not he found his, so that accounts for the potential +1.)
...that's assuming that dead players' grimoires still exist. If not, then there's 9 left.
Assuming he flips scum, very likely Antny for the defensive omgus rush.
Rhand seems townie, and I haven't heard enough from DC3 to make a decision on him. It's completely possible that I've cleared someone who is scum.
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