2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
1. Player A goes exploring.
2. Everyone waits for a result.
3. Player A posts his/her result.
4. Player A popcorns to player D.
5. Player D goes exploring...
There's one thing here that I don't like: If we do it like this, won't mafia find out easily who found their Grimoire? I'd rather not hand over to mafia the information who unlocked their PR and who not on a silver plate...
But, this plan also prevents anyone from lying (in good and bad)...
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Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
It depends on the setup. Like if we're all TPR's then it's kinda ok as long as people don't take too long finding their grimoires? But if we're kinda staggered it's bad since mafia can just pick us off as we find them.
Hmpf parsing quotes on a iphone is just impossible.
@DCIII: that post you quoted from Hawk does illustrate that he thinks Void is in a town mindset. So he probably didn't care indeed for Void's response. I understand what you are saying, but don't agree it means he's scum.
5 and 6: I haven't had the time to reread yet. Still behind in another game :/
Re: Celestial vs here: Celestial was a combination of questions and statements. More statements than I thought you made. But it still is really different from here. That thing you just did, adding questions at the end of a post directed at some others, is something you did more there and not much here.
You're blowing this out of proportion though: it's a gut meta read that I am not 100% sure of, and I had no intention of pursuing it if I don't see anything else that makes you likely scum.
@DCIII - I can see what your getting at but I'm not convinced. I'm pretty sure there's more interactions. I'll try to search up ika later (several months after curse and I still can't make the search function work properly)
If Hawk's an option still I'll switch my vote back, but according to Seppel he's off the table.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
We still need a seventh vote for Hawk though. If ika won't hammer, and others won't shift I can live with lynching Citrus toDay and going back to Hawk tomorrow.
We still need a seventh vote for Hawk though. If ika won't hammer, and others won't shift I can live with lynching Citrus toDay and going back to Hawk tomorrow.
Why do you think queueing lynches is ever ever a good idea?
Hmpf parsing quotes on a iphone is just impossible.
@DCIII: that post you quoted from Hawk does illustrate that he thinks Void is in a town mindset. So he probably didn't care indeed for Void's response. I understand what you are saying, but don't agree it means he's scum.
5 and 6: I haven't had the time to reread yet. Still behind in another game :/
Re: Celestial vs here: Celestial was a combination of questions and statements. More statements than I thought you made. But it still is really different from here. That thing you just did, adding questions at the end of a post directed at some others, is something you did more there and not much here. You're blowing this out of proportion though: it's a gut meta read that I am not 100% sure of, and I had no intention of pursuing it if I don't see anything else that makes you likely scum.
The bolded part of this really feels like it's trying to diffuse/placate. Like, if you were actually thinking that you could be onto something with this, I feel like you wouldn't be telling me that you have no intention of pursuing it unless you saw something else. You'd be trying to make me feel more pressure, not less pressure.
1. Player A goes exploring.
2. Everyone waits for a result.
3. Player A posts his/her result.
4. Player A popcorns to player D.
5. Player D goes exploring...
There's one thing here that I don't like: If we do it like this, won't mafia find out easily who found their Grimoire? I'd rather not hand over to mafia the information who unlocked their PR and who not on a silver plate...
But, this plan also prevents anyone from lying (in good and bad)...
HEY NEWS FLASH THERE'S MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM
1. Player A goes exploring.
2. Everyone waits for a result.
3. Player A posts his/her result.
4. Player A popcorns to player D.
5. Player D goes exploring...
There's one thing here that I don't like: If we do it like this, won't mafia find out easily who found their Grimoire? I'd rather not hand over to mafia the information who unlocked their PR and who not on a silver plate...
But, this plan also prevents anyone from lying (in good and bad)...
HEY NEWS FLASH THERE'S MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM
... yeah, but I don't just see it realistically happening that everyone (or at least more than half of town) finds their Grimoire tomorrow...
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Quote from Prophylaxis »
Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
1. Player A goes exploring.
2. Everyone waits for a result.
3. Player A posts his/her result.
4. Player A popcorns to player D.
5. Player D goes exploring...
There's one thing here that I don't like: If we do it like this, won't mafia find out easily who found their Grimoire? I'd rather not hand over to mafia the information who unlocked their PR and who not on a silver plate...
But, this plan also prevents anyone from lying (in good and bad)...
HEY NEWS FLASH THERE'S MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM
... yeah, but I don't just see it realistically happening that everyone (or at least more than half of town) finds their Grimoire tomorrow...
I DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTICALLY POSSIBLE TO FIT MY FIST IN YOUR MOUTH BUT I'M STILL GOING TO TRY
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
True, but I need something not meta-related to pressure you with.
This glosses over the point I was making... and I don't buy it either because I was on your willing to lynch list so clearly you were sold enough... which doesn't jive with saying I was blowing your read out of proportion/trying to lessen the conflict in the situation.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
True, but I need something not meta-related to pressure you with.
This glosses over the point I was making... and I don't buy it either because I was on your willing to lynch list so clearly you were sold enough... which doesn't jive with saying I was blowing your read out of proportion/trying to lessen the conflict in the situation.
Feel pretty good about both Hawk and Rhand.
That list was about who I'm willing to compromise on if we don't have a lynch by deadline. Not about who I absolutely want dead.
What point am I glossing over?
Let's not have people accountable for their actions.
Why is hawk town? You have ignored multiple people asking you this already. You cited one post before reading any of the game, yet haven't addressed any of DC's points, or any of his other posts.
Who is trying not to optimally game the setup? People are discussing the best option, just because you proposed a plan, that doesn't mean it is optimal. And I think only one person has expressed hesitancy against your plan? And Bur does have a valid point, I think. However, I do agree it's likely going to be more impactful for us to unlock our roles faster at the cost of scum maybe having some insight into where the power is. As has been said, it will likely only be an issue if exactly only 1 town player claims to have unlocked their role, but even then, we are still locking scum into claims.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I really don't think Hawk is scum. I just need to find another recent scumgame from him to doublecheck a meta thing.
Can't we just lynch Kami or Citric?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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7hawk77 (2) - DCIII, Iso
CitricBase (3) - Void, Antny223, KamikazeArchon
DCIII (1) - CitricBase
Iso (1) - ika42
KamikazeArchon (4) - Hunger, Seppel, 7hawk77, Rhand
Seppel (1) - Bur
Not voting: None
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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Also, Bur has been prodded. He has 48 hours to post or be replaced.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
There's one thing here that I don't like: If we do it like this, won't mafia find out easily who found their Grimoire? I'd rather not hand over to mafia the information who unlocked their PR and who not on a silver plate...
But, this plan also prevents anyone from lying (in good and bad)...
Therefore:
Unvote. Vote: hawk.
@DCIII: that post you quoted from Hawk does illustrate that he thinks Void is in a town mindset. So he probably didn't care indeed for Void's response. I understand what you are saying, but don't agree it means he's scum.
5 and 6: I haven't had the time to reread yet. Still behind in another game :/
Re: Celestial vs here: Celestial was a combination of questions and statements. More statements than I thought you made. But it still is really different from here. That thing you just did, adding questions at the end of a post directed at some others, is something you did more there and not much here.
You're blowing this out of proportion though: it's a gut meta read that I am not 100% sure of, and I had no intention of pursuing it if I don't see anything else that makes you likely scum.
If Hawk's an option still I'll switch my vote back, but according to Seppel he's off the table.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why do you think queueing lynches is ever ever a good idea?
I can find reasons to lynch kamikaze or citrus but I think we get more info out of a kamikaze lynch.
Outdated Mafia Stats
The bolded part of this really feels like it's trying to diffuse/placate. Like, if you were actually thinking that you could be onto something with this, I feel like you wouldn't be telling me that you have no intention of pursuing it unless you saw something else. You'd be trying to make me feel more pressure, not less pressure.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
HEY NEWS FLASH THERE'S MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM
... yeah, but I don't just see it realistically happening that everyone (or at least more than half of town) finds their Grimoire tomorrow...
I DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTICALLY POSSIBLE TO FIT MY FIST IN YOUR MOUTH BUT I'M STILL GOING TO TRY
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vote: hawk
This glosses over the point I was making... and I don't buy it either because I was on your willing to lynch list so clearly you were sold enough... which doesn't jive with saying I was blowing your read out of proportion/trying to lessen the conflict in the situation.
Feel pretty good about both Hawk and Rhand.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
vote Hawk
**** Seppel.
That list was about who I'm willing to compromise on if we don't have a lynch by deadline. Not about who I absolutely want dead.
What point am I glossing over?
Let's just vote hawk and not play mafia.
Let's not try to optimally game the setup.
Let's not have people accountable for their actions.
Who is trying not to optimally game the setup? People are discussing the best option, just because you proposed a plan, that doesn't mean it is optimal. And I think only one person has expressed hesitancy against your plan? And Bur does have a valid point, I think. However, I do agree it's likely going to be more impactful for us to unlock our roles faster at the cost of scum maybe having some insight into where the power is. As has been said, it will likely only be an issue if exactly only 1 town player claims to have unlocked their role, but even then, we are still locking scum into claims.
are you afraid to after Celestial
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I just looked at page 1 to confirm this
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
We're 800 posts into Day 1 of a MINI, FFS. We need a flip to accomplish anything else.
Also, if Seppel is town, DCIII and Citric are probably scum together.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Can't we just lynch Kami or Citric?
7hawk77 (5) - DCIII, Iso, Bur, Hunger, Antny223
KamikazeArchon (3) - Seppel, 7hawk77, Rhand
CitricBase (3) - Void, KamikazeArchon
DCIII (1) - CitricBase
Iso (1) - ika42
Not voting: None
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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
@Void, Archon, Citric, and ika: You all need to vote either Hawk or Archon so we can end this day.
I'm not scum, this is silly.
Outdated Mafia Stats
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player