I'm fairly certain one of kpaca/Karn has to be scum given that I can't see town having a Bulletproof Ascetic and a Bulletproof.
Bur is somebody I've been suspicious of since day 1.
Hans has been giving me scummy vibes, as has LnG, but neither of them are slam-dunk.
Your slot, DCIII, Wheat_Grinder, and Kamikaze Archon I'm really unsure on.
Rhand seems likely town.
Leaning town on Killjoy.
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Town:
Bur - Duh.
DCIII - I took a look into DCIII's mind I all I see is town mindset.
Tammy - She made quite a many good points and put some real effort in this game (at least until she just... disappeared.)
Rhand - I feel like he's been trying to figure this game out, putting pressure there where he thinks it is needed.
Wildfire - While I'm not a fan of he changing his focus and vote really quickly, since he is a vig and only one driving this game forwards... (And if you are mafia and this vig of yours has been mafia's factional kill, Congrats. I'll eat my hat after this game is over.)
Wheat - I PBPA'd her and her mindset looks pretty town to me.
Lean Town:
Taredas - Doesn't seem mafia to me. If Spot if mafia, I'm really surprised.
SirKarn - After D2 KCC-Karn clash, he started looking much better to me. His reactions seemed genuine.
Neutral:
Teia(kpacamancer) - I PBPA'd her and she seemed to be trying to move this game somewhere. Asked lots of questions.
Killjoy - has asked some questions and presented some thought about the game, but I'm unsure whether it's genuine or just mafia trying to appear putting some though in the game.
Lean mafia:
Hansanator - No content, all fluff. Also, that terrible "What if I were a cop".
LnGr - Not really fan of any of his posts.
Arian - His D2 seemed really bad and his sudden change of opinion on me after a couple of posts from Wildfire seems weird.
KamikazeArchon - While he makes some sensible points (no to massclaim etc.), I still kind of feel he's been distant in this game. While he's asked questions every now and then, I see nothing useful output from him. Also, it seems he's just been barning everything there is to barn...
Mafia:
???
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From a pure design standpoint, I'm much more inclined to believe that Kpaca is scum. I highly doubt that both Karn and Kpaca's role can exist together as town. If Kpaca was town, the cult leader could leech his ability, thus making him/her immune to NK's and seriously OP, especially as more members are added to the cult and influence the vote. The cult leader would not be able to do this to Karn because he cannot be targeted by anything.
Right now I think the scumteam is some combination of Kpaca, Wheat, and Killjoy. I don't really know how likely it is that Kpaca and Wheat are scum together; however, I think that if Wheat is scum, there is a high chance Killjoy is as well.
If we assume the Borg Queen works like she did in STMU2, whenever she recruits someone, she vanillifies them and gains the powers they had.
Essentially this. To go a bit deeper: a bulletproof cult leader would not be able to killed by mafia, SK, or vig, which means that the only way s/he could be killed is by being lynched, and it would be harder to achieve that lynch majority if a growing number of of the playerbase has been converted and is therefore not going to vote for their leader. Then let's say the cult leader decides to convert the vig, creating a bulletproof cult leader with a night kill. S/he would be able to convert an additional person each night and shoot somebody who isn't in the cult, leading to a virtually guaranteed victory after just a few night phases.
Alright, I am going to be honest. I blindly accepted this without looking at the game posts. I love replacing but won't typically won't go into games with over 1000 posts. I made that mistake in a Gigas game a long time ago, with a reread that of over 1800 posts, that resulted in me being lynched not 100 posts later because Yanni was scummy. Can I get a read on how you view Tammy right now?
From post 100+, first question goes to KamikazeArchon: How long have you been playing this game?
Bur: do you think that Kpaca and Karn can be town together?
I admit that having those two together as town seems weird, but on the other hand, we have already at least 4 kills in this game (Mafia, BV, Cythare, Wildfire) so I'm not sure if it's possible. (I have no experience about these high-level set-ups, so I can't really say...)
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Alright, I am going to be honest. I blindly accepted this without looking at the game posts. I love replacing but won't typically won't go into games with over 1000 posts. I made that mistake in a Gigas game a long time ago, with a reread that of over 1800 posts, that resulted in me being lynched not 100 posts later because Yanni was scummy. Can I get a read on how you view Tammy right now?
From post 100+, first question goes to KamikazeArchon: How long have you been playing this game?
I was playing mafia when you were still The Ice King. Left for a few years, came back recently.
Tammy read is null; she hadn't been particularly present. HP was insisting she's town, though.
Why did we get away from this? Is it because of Kpaca’s silver tongue? Not only do all of the previous reasons to lynch him still apply, but Wildfire also made a good point that his role when contrasted with Karn’s is much more likely to be scum. If scum can’t be converted to cult, then Karn’s role would seem to be designed much more around recruitment in addition to being killed where Kpaca’s wouldn’t need to worry about that, but it would still leave him vulnerable to KCC’s roles etc.
Both as town don’t seem likely – and Kpaca’s “if Karn claimed full untargetable we should lynch him” but then voting Wheat because of his wording…
I wouldn’t be surprised if Wheat were also scum based on that and his reluctance to lynch the slot prior to replacement, but I want Kpaca Today and have no idea why anything has changed from when we were going to do this when Seppel was still alive..
*Taredas glances at the people not getting that kpaca is likely scum if the cult exists and Karn is likely scum if it doesn't, then continues to try to figure out if the cult exists.*
*Taredas looks at the people saying that Killjoy is trying to figure out the game and eyes them confusedly. He then notes that one of those people is Wheat, narrows his eyes, and bats the "VOTE HERE" placard towards Wheat.*
Vote: Wheat
*Taredas glances at TCM's entry and eyes him with interest.*
*Taredas glances at hans seeming unusually confident and eyes him quizzically.*
*Taredas glances at how everyone else in the room is talking, then turns around in disgust and curls up next to a door labeled "MafiaScum".*
@Wildfire, I don't think both are scum, not are both Borg. Maybe Borg + scum. I don't think there is enough evidence right now for me to figure that out.
Have you really Kami? Did you have a different name, or is my memory going with my older age?
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That my question to you follows: Why in the early game (post 106) did you presume to try and tie BV to Cantrip via busing, despite not really commenting on either beforehand?
@Wildfire, I don't think both are scum, not are both Borg. Maybe Borg + scum. I don't think there is enough evidence right now for me to figure that out.
I really don't think the queen would be bulletproof and/or untargetable, because that makes her really, really difficult to kill.
It's very plausible that if kpaca was town, he's been droned.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
*Taredas glances at DCIII, looks him over carefully, follows him around for a bit, swings with his paw as if trying to feel for tubing, then turns around and walks off as if satisified that DCIII is not a concern.*
*Taredas looks at Killjoy closely, watching him ask busy questions with no real substance or followup, jump onto townie wagons with no critical thought, continue pushing KCC's wagon after Karn's clarification in a way that suggests scum looking for a mislynch, promise to look at kpaca overnight and then not do so, softdefend Bur without committing to the stance, and take potshots at likely not-Mafia. He then tenses, pounces, and starts ripping Killjoy's guts out.*
Unvote, Vote: Killjoy
*Taredas points his right paw at kpaca and Bur, as if signifying a willingness to vote for them, and then bats some of the M tiles lying around the floor towards them. He looks at Wheat, then halfheartedly bats an M tile at him as well.*
Asking busy questions, huh? Which busy questions are those?
My problem with Tare is he is WAY too aggressive this game.
My questions about him were to see if he was this aggressive normally. I noticed his scum game is very verbose. I need to look into that more to see how aggressive he is normally, or if it's an alignment tell.
And FTR Tare. me being lazy about reading someone isn't a tell with me. Sometimes I just get lazy.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
*Taredas glances at Killjoy feigning ignorance about busy questions when every single question he's asked this game fits that description.*
*Taredas glances at Killjoy claiming to think that aggression is a problem.*
*Taredas watches Killjoy feign nonchalance and try to defuse the attack with silliness, then respond to the attack like he knows Tar is town despite claiming to think Tar might be scum. He then bats off Killjoy's Sicilian mobster hat, leaving it on the ground for all to see, and continues sinking his teeth and claws into vulnerable Mafia flesh.*
I like this cat and agree with most of it's mewing except for the whole Bur thing that folks need to listen to me about. But I still want Kpaca Today. Too much it not happening over the past two Days. Wildfire you can always shoot Wheat.
I like this cat and agree with most of it's mewing except for the whole Bur thing that folks need to listen to me about. But I still want Kpaca Today. Too much it not happening over the past two Days. Wildfire you can always shoot Wheat.
What's "this whole BUr thing that folks need to listen to you about"?
I'd rather shoot Bur than wheat ATM, but I could be convinced otherwise.
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*Taredas looks over things again, crosses his eyes momentarily, then gets spooked. He turns around and runs away from Bur at full speed, knocking the M tile away from Bur in his haste. He regains his composure in the corner and butts his head into the wall.*
I'm not saying aggression is the problem, Tare. It's just uncommon to see so much aggression in someone who shouldn't be sure about who's scum and who isn't. For instance, in Boardgame Mafia (as HK-47) I was VERY aggressive, very certain of my attacks when I shouldn't have been. You just seem way too certain about other's alignements, and seem to be using aggression to push lynches on those people. Like... town isn't that certain that often. And uncertain people tend to not be so aggressive.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I checked the thread a few times but I didn't have anything to say in the meantime.
About all I *can* say is that Taredas is definitely town because of how he keeps jumping on absolutely everyone. Scum would be more self-conscious and play a little more safe as the cat.
That said, I find myself disagreeing with most of the people he's going on; the last two being Bur (definitely, irrevocably town) and Killjoy (I see where he's coming from but I disagree ultimately).
So who's scum then. LnGrrrR's not; I thought he might be from the pile-on vote but I had forgotten about the vanilla thing.
I'm actually getting down into PoE range, but the PoE is saying Hans, DCIII, Rhand, and Kamikaze as people I don't have townreads on.
I'll look through them over Thanksgiving but that doesn't seem right intuitively.
I checked the thread a few times but I didn't have anything to say in the meantime.
About all I *can* say is that Taredas is definitely town because of how he keeps jumping on absolutely everyone. Scum would be more self-conscious and play a little more safe as the cat.
That said, I find myself disagreeing with most of the people he's going on; the last two being Bur (definitely, irrevocably town) and Killjoy (I see where he's coming from but I disagree ultimately).
So who's scum then. LnGrrrR's not; I thought he might be from the pile-on vote but I had forgotten about the vanilla thing.
I'm actually getting down into PoE range, but the PoE is saying Hans, DCIII, Rhand, and Kamikaze as people I don't have townreads on.
I'll look through them over Thanksgiving but that doesn't seem right intuitively.
So Lng is town for the vanilla thing, but Rhand isn't?
@Wildfire - Reasons. Just know that as it currently stands, I'm almost completely convinced that Bur's town, and there are much bigger priorities to focus on toDay. You'll understand when you're older.
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Alright, on 1455 alone, in addition to what Condoms pointed out, I am more than happy to Vote WG. Even if I pretended he didn't slip, the entire rest of his post was simply speculating on information that doesn't really matter in the long run of it. Every single post that followed on that page was pretty much a "I didn't slip" response with very little information added.
What's "this whole BUr thing that folks need to listen to you about"?
I'd rather shoot Bur than wheat ATM, but I could be convinced otherwise.
I'm confident you're wrong about Bur, that's what you should listen to me about. Will you?
The Cold Monarchs last post "even if I pretend he didn't slip" I don't like at all but can't really articulate why.
What do I need to do to get a Kpaca lynch to happen? Can everyone please go back and look at Seppels case from Yesterday and then look at mine from earlier if you aren't satisfied and then look at KCCs after that if you still aren't?
Can I please point out that Seppel, KCC, Tare and myself all want(ed) to lynch him and all of us either are or should be obv town by now and generally have good track records?
Can somebody please tell me how Bur is at all town?
Because why would he *ever* speculate about KCC being borg if he was mafia or borg? He would have said it in the scumchat and not the main thread (are you all happy I said thread this time) if he was mafia even if he had to wait, and if borg he already knows the answer is no, KCC is not borg. On the other hand, it makes far more sense to rush forward as town.
I checked the thread a few times but I didn't have anything to say in the meantime.
About all I *can* say is that Taredas is definitely town because of how he keeps jumping on absolutely everyone. Scum would be more self-conscious and play a little more safe as the cat.
That said, I find myself disagreeing with most of the people he's going on; the last two being Bur (definitely, irrevocably town) and Killjoy (I see where he's coming from but I disagree ultimately).
So who's scum then. LnGrrrR's not; I thought he might be from the pile-on vote but I had forgotten about the vanilla thing.
I'm actually getting down into PoE range, but the PoE is saying Hans, DCIII, Rhand, and Kamikaze as people I don't have townreads on.
I'll look through them over Thanksgiving but that doesn't seem right intuitively.
So Lng is town for the vanilla thing, but Rhand isn't?
Oops, yep, Rhand is town (in fact, his VT claim is stronger than LnGrrrR's).
*Taredas glances at Killjoy claiming that town aren't confident in their reads despite townies believing they are attacking scum and/or fronting confidence in the thread while keeping any doubts internal and crosses his eyes.*
*Taredas watches Killjoy position himself to attack Tar without actually committing to the attack using a tone of voice that strongly suggests that Killjoy knows that Tar is town. He then notices the pamphlet by KoolKoal that Killjoy is holding labeled "How I Interacted With Tarhalindur in WitchHunt As Mafia" and bats it on the ground for all to see.*
*Taredas finds a balled-up piece of paper in a wastebasket with Killjoy's handwriting on it, then bats it into Killjoy's throat, choking him.*
*Taredas glances at Wildfire continuing to attack Bur, then carefully leads him away from Bur and over towards a nearby stack of gold-pressed latinum bricks as if hoping that Wildfire will get it if given time to think.*
Can I please point out that Seppel, KCC, Tare and myself all want(ed) to lynch him and all of us either are or should be obv town by now and generally have good track records?
And this, FTR, is my problem with you this game DC. Usually you are obvtown. In Deus Ex and one other recent game (Celestials, maybe?) I was very quick to figure out you were town. This game not so much. That distinctly bothers me.
*Taredas glances at Killjoy claiming that town aren't confident in their reads despite townies believing they are attacking scum and/or fronting confidence in the thread while keeping any doubts internal and crosses his eyes.*
So you're saying that you're faking confidence? Why does town need to "front confidence while keeping doubts internal"?
Also, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on that whole aggressiveness mistake you made earlier, but now with this... this isn't just you misreading. You're strawmanning me. This is intentional.
*Taredas watches Killjoy position himself to attack Tar without actually committing to the attack using a tone of voice that strongly suggests that Killjoy knows that Tar is town. He then notices the pamphlet by KoolKoal that Killjoy is holding labeled "How I Interacted With Tarhalindur in WitchHunt As Mafia" and bats it on the ground for all to see.*
Oh, you want a commitment, do ya kitty? You got it. Unvote, Vote Taredas.
It's go time.
Let me be clear. My reasoning about the aggressiveness is exactly as I explained: It feels fake, like there's something missing from it that makes it sincere.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm confident you're wrong about Bur, that's what you should listen to me about. Will you?
The Cold Monarchs last post "even if I pretend he didn't slip" I don't like at all but can't really articulate why.
What do I need to do to get a Kpaca lynch to happen? Can everyone please go back and look at Seppels case from Yesterday and then look at mine from earlier if you aren't satisfied and then look at KCCs after that if you still aren't?
Can I please point out that Seppel, KCC, Tare and myself all want(ed) to lynch him and all of us either are or should be obv town by now and generally have good track records?
I'm willing to listen to you on Bur, but I'd like to see some actual reasoning. I don't particularly like Wheat's argument, and everybody else just seems to be townclearing Bur without providing reasoning as to why.
I could definitely see a kpaca lynch today, especially since he's made himself scarce since the spotlight moved off of him.
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We're very directionless at this point....or perhaps it's because there's like 3-4 directions that we could go, but we can't agree on one.
So how about this.
We have an established dichotomy between Kpaca and Karn wherein it is highly unlikely (albeit, admittedly, not certain) that both players are NOT town. While they could be per peculiarities of setup gaming, the percentage play is that one of the two is scum. So, how about we examine both of them, make a selection, and lynch it. Then, we can come back fresh Tomorrow with another round of night action results and more information from which to work.
Bur is somebody I've been suspicious of since day 1.
Hans has been giving me scummy vibes, as has LnG, but neither of them are slam-dunk.
Your slot, DCIII, Wheat_Grinder, and Kamikaze Archon I'm really unsure on.
Rhand seems likely town.
Leaning town on Killjoy.
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Bur - Duh.
DCIII - I took a look into DCIII's mind I all I see is town mindset.
Tammy - She made quite a many good points and put some real effort in this game (at least until she just... disappeared.)
Rhand - I feel like he's been trying to figure this game out, putting pressure there where he thinks it is needed.
Wildfire - While I'm not a fan of he changing his focus and vote really quickly, since he is a vig and only one driving this game forwards... (And if you are mafia and this vig of yours has been mafia's factional kill, Congrats. I'll eat my hat after this game is over.)
Wheat - I PBPA'd her and her mindset looks pretty town to me.
Lean Town:
Taredas - Doesn't seem mafia to me. If Spot if mafia, I'm really surprised.
SirKarn - After D2 KCC-Karn clash, he started looking much better to me. His reactions seemed genuine.
Neutral:
Teia(kpacamancer) - I PBPA'd her and she seemed to be trying to move this game somewhere. Asked lots of questions.
Killjoy - has asked some questions and presented some thought about the game, but I'm unsure whether it's genuine or just mafia trying to appear putting some though in the game.
Lean mafia:
Hansanator - No content, all fluff. Also, that terrible "What if I were a cop".
LnGr - Not really fan of any of his posts.
Arian - His D2 seemed really bad and his sudden change of opinion on me after a couple of posts from Wildfire seems weird.
KamikazeArchon - While he makes some sensible points (no to massclaim etc.), I still kind of feel he's been distant in this game. While he's asked questions every now and then, I see nothing useful output from him. Also, it seems he's just been barning everything there is to barn...
Mafia:
???
Essentially this. To go a bit deeper: a bulletproof cult leader would not be able to killed by mafia, SK, or vig, which means that the only way s/he could be killed is by being lynched, and it would be harder to achieve that lynch majority if a growing number of of the playerbase has been converted and is therefore not going to vote for their leader. Then let's say the cult leader decides to convert the vig, creating a bulletproof cult leader with a night kill. S/he would be able to convert an additional person each night and shoot somebody who isn't in the cult, leading to a virtually guaranteed victory after just a few night phases.
Why does it matter? The logic was fairly straightforward...
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From post 100+, first question goes to KamikazeArchon: How long have you been playing this game?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I admit that having those two together as town seems weird, but on the other hand, we have already at least 4 kills in this game (Mafia, BV, Cythare, Wildfire) so I'm not sure if it's possible. (I have no experience about these high-level set-ups, so I can't really say...)
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Hi TCM. I don't think I've played with you in over a year.
I thought you caught on by then
Or was it Meg that I told that to
What.
@LnGr: What are your current reads?
@Hansanator: What your current reads?
Tammy read is null; she hadn't been particularly present. HP was insisting she's town, though.
If it weren't for your vanilla flavor knowledge, this post would earn you my vote.
Why did we get away from this? Is it because of Kpaca’s silver tongue? Not only do all of the previous reasons to lynch him still apply, but Wildfire also made a good point that his role when contrasted with Karn’s is much more likely to be scum. If scum can’t be converted to cult, then Karn’s role would seem to be designed much more around recruitment in addition to being killed where Kpaca’s wouldn’t need to worry about that, but it would still leave him vulnerable to KCC’s roles etc.
Both as town don’t seem likely – and Kpaca’s “if Karn claimed full untargetable we should lynch him” but then voting Wheat because of his wording…
I wouldn’t be surprised if Wheat were also scum based on that and his reluctance to lynch the slot prior to replacement, but I want Kpaca Today and have no idea why anything has changed from when we were going to do this when Seppel was still alive..
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*Taredas looks at the people saying that Killjoy is trying to figure out the game and eyes them confusedly. He then notes that one of those people is Wheat, narrows his eyes, and bats the "VOTE HERE" placard towards Wheat.*
Vote: Wheat
*Taredas glances at TCM's entry and eyes him with interest.*
*Taredas glances at hans seeming unusually confident and eyes him quizzically.*
*Taredas glances at how everyone else in the room is talking, then turns around in disgust and curls up next to a door labeled "MafiaScum".*
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Kpaca, Karn, Wheat are my biggest scumreads.
Slight scumread on Hans because he's been floaty just like he was with me in Celestial where we were both scum.
Neutral on Kamikaze, you (Bur).
Slight townread on KJ, Taredas, and DC3.
Arian, Rhand, Wildfire are obvtown.
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*Stokes Taredas with some love of an old friend returning from the warzone.*
That my question to you follows: Why in the early game (post 106) did you presume to try and tie BV to Cantrip via busing, despite not really commenting on either beforehand?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
#106 was not really about BV or Cantrip, it was about Cythare. Cythare was calling them both scum while one was attacking the other.
I really don't think the queen would be bulletproof and/or untargetable, because that makes her really, really difficult to kill.
It's very plausible that if kpaca was town, he's been droned.
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Anyway, does anyone know of a good town game for Tare? I'll use the Crosstown to reference a scum game.
*Taredas looks at Killjoy closely, watching him ask busy questions with no real substance or followup, jump onto townie wagons with no critical thought, continue pushing KCC's wagon after Karn's clarification in a way that suggests scum looking for a mislynch, promise to look at kpaca overnight and then not do so, softdefend Bur without committing to the stance, and take potshots at likely not-Mafia. He then tenses, pounces, and starts ripping Killjoy's guts out.*
Unvote, Vote: Killjoy
*Taredas points his right paw at kpaca and Bur, as if signifying a willingness to vote for them, and then bats some of the M tiles lying around the floor towards them. He looks at Wheat, then halfheartedly bats an M tile at him as well.*
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Asking busy questions, huh? Which busy questions are those?
My problem with Tare is he is WAY too aggressive this game.
My questions about him were to see if he was this aggressive normally. I noticed his scum game is very verbose. I need to look into that more to see how aggressive he is normally, or if it's an alignment tell.
And FTR Tare. me being lazy about reading someone isn't a tell with me. Sometimes I just get lazy.
*Taredas glances at Killjoy claiming to think that aggression is a problem.*
*Taredas watches Killjoy feign nonchalance and try to defuse the attack with silliness, then respond to the attack like he knows Tar is town despite claiming to think Tar might be scum. He then bats off Killjoy's Sicilian mobster hat, leaving it on the ground for all to see, and continues sinking his teeth and claws into vulnerable Mafia flesh.*
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
What's "this whole BUr thing that folks need to listen to you about"?
I'd rather shoot Bur than wheat ATM, but I could be convinced otherwise.
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It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
VL/A until december 4th
If that is a problem I don't mind getting replaced.
(I will still post, but limited on phone and bad wifi)
Karn: what do you think of kpaca's bulletproof claim?
What is your opinion of Bur?
What is your opinion of Killjoy?
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I checked the thread a few times but I didn't have anything to say in the meantime.
About all I *can* say is that Taredas is definitely town because of how he keeps jumping on absolutely everyone. Scum would be more self-conscious and play a little more safe as the cat.
That said, I find myself disagreeing with most of the people he's going on; the last two being Bur (definitely, irrevocably town) and Killjoy (I see where he's coming from but I disagree ultimately).
So who's scum then. LnGrrrR's not; I thought he might be from the pile-on vote but I had forgotten about the vanilla thing.
I'm actually getting down into PoE range, but the PoE is saying Hans, DCIII, Rhand, and Kamikaze as people I don't have townreads on.
I'll look through them over Thanksgiving but that doesn't seem right intuitively.
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So Lng is town for the vanilla thing, but Rhand isn't?
@Wildfire - Reasons. Just know that as it currently stands, I'm almost completely convinced that Bur's town, and there are much bigger priorities to focus on toDay. You'll understand when you're older.
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Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I'm confident you're wrong about Bur, that's what you should listen to me about. Will you?
The Cold Monarchs last post "even if I pretend he didn't slip" I don't like at all but can't really articulate why.
What do I need to do to get a Kpaca lynch to happen? Can everyone please go back and look at Seppels case from Yesterday and then look at mine from earlier if you aren't satisfied and then look at KCCs after that if you still aren't?
Can I please point out that Seppel, KCC, Tare and myself all want(ed) to lynch him and all of us either are or should be obv town by now and generally have good track records?
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Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
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2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Because why would he *ever* speculate about KCC being borg if he was mafia or borg? He would have said it in the scumchat and not the main thread (are you all happy I said thread this time) if he was mafia even if he had to wait, and if borg he already knows the answer is no, KCC is not borg. On the other hand, it makes far more sense to rush forward as town.
Oops, yep, Rhand is town (in fact, his VT claim is stronger than LnGrrrR's).
That makes me even less happy with my PoE.
*Taredas watches Killjoy position himself to attack Tar without actually committing to the attack using a tone of voice that strongly suggests that Killjoy knows that Tar is town. He then notices the pamphlet by KoolKoal that Killjoy is holding labeled "How I Interacted With Tarhalindur in WitchHunt As Mafia" and bats it on the ground for all to see.*
*Taredas finds a balled-up piece of paper in a wastebasket with Killjoy's handwriting on it, then bats it into Killjoy's throat, choking him.*
*Taredas glances at Wildfire continuing to attack Bur, then carefully leads him away from Bur and over towards a nearby stack of gold-pressed latinum bricks as if hoping that Wildfire will get it if given time to think.*
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
So you're saying that you're faking confidence? Why does town need to "front confidence while keeping doubts internal"?
Also, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on that whole aggressiveness mistake you made earlier, but now with this... this isn't just you misreading. You're strawmanning me. This is intentional.
Oh, you want a commitment, do ya kitty? You got it.
Unvote, Vote Taredas.
It's go time.
Let me be clear. My reasoning about the aggressiveness is exactly as I explained: It feels fake, like there's something missing from it that makes it sincere.
I'm willing to listen to you on Bur, but I'd like to see some actual reasoning. I don't particularly like Wheat's argument, and everybody else just seems to be townclearing Bur without providing reasoning as to why.
I could definitely see a kpaca lynch today, especially since he's made himself scarce since the spotlight moved off of him.
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I need to take a closer look for myself over Thanksgiving: Another one to add to the pool.
So how about this.
We have an established dichotomy between Kpaca and Karn wherein it is highly unlikely (albeit, admittedly, not certain) that both players are NOT town. While they could be per peculiarities of setup gaming, the percentage play is that one of the two is scum. So, how about we examine both of them, make a selection, and lynch it. Then, we can come back fresh Tomorrow with another round of night action results and more information from which to work.
Unvote while I research.
unvote, vote kpaca
answer my questions
(Rest of the analysis in the next post.)
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
On that note: I hope everyone has a safe and happy one. Be careful if you're traveling, especially in the northeast!
v/la until 12/1 -- I'll be able to post today yet, but as quiet as it's been the last couple....we'll see how motivated I feel.
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