My gut is reading KCC as the cult leader. I don't actually know why. I'm also unsure of how much effort to dedicate to looking for the cult leader vs mafia, since the only experience I've had with a cult was in Survival Horror (where I was the leader, and it was a town cult, not anti-town).
I need to look back at Cythare and BV's interactions.
My gut is reading KCC as the cult leader. I don't actually know why. I'm also unsure of how much effort to dedicate to looking for the cult leader vs mafia, since the only experience I've had with a cult was in Survival Horror (where I was the leader, and it was a town cult, not anti-town).
I need to look back at Cythare and BV's interactions.
Remember that Cythare and BV's interactions won't necessarily be super helpful. Presumably, they don't have any information about who the scum are, meaning they're as blind as town. For rereading purposes, it's best to consider them as confirmed town rather than confirmed scum. So you can take their reads at face-value, but you can't really expect to find telling scum-scum interactions.
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My gut is reading KCC as the cult leader. I don't actually know why. I'm also unsure of how much effort to dedicate to looking for the cult leader vs mafia, since the only experience I've had with a cult was in Survival Horror (where I was the leader, and it was a town cult, not anti-town).
I need to look back at Cythare and BV's interactions.
Remember that Cythare and BV's interactions won't necessarily be super helpful. Presumably, they don't have any information about who the scum are, meaning they're as blind as town. For rereading purposes, it's best to consider them as confirmed town rather than confirmed scum. So you can take their reads at face-value, but you can't really expect to find telling scum-scum interactions.
No, I'm referring more to who interacted with them how.
Please sanity check me this week because I've got a cold and it's screwing up my thinking patterns; I've caught myself thinking things that literally cannot be true in regards to this game a few times already (like when Karn said Rai can't be scum my first thought was well maybe he was coached to say that and then I realized but then how the hell would he know that there would be serial killer flips).
My gut is reading KCC as the cult leader. I don't actually know why. I'm also unsure of how much effort to dedicate to looking for the cult leader vs mafia, since the only experience I've had with a cult was in Survival Horror (where I was the leader, and it was a town cult, not anti-town).
I need to look back at Cythare and BV's interactions.
I'm looking at it as though the cult leader is a scum by any other name.
Well that's mostly but not entirely true. I also have an ace up my sleeve as to how to find them but I don't want to reveal it until I see it actually happen.
I don't think BV and Cythare interactions are going to say much since they only knew their own alignments.
I'm going to look through some of my old reads here. It won't be thorough, nor do I think I should be thorough until I shake this cold and can think straight.
Riker as anti-town concerns me. Flavorgaming defense? vote Karn
Can you put together a case here (or someone else, if they want to do analysis in this direction)? -I would, but I'm not sure how objective it would be.
I lied, I went through all my posts to find my old reads and post them because it tells me where to focus my efforts when I research the people I want to read.
Arianrhod - town (due to claiming miller) Now? I still agree because while he's hunting third parties it's legitimate in the way he approaches it and given the situation we're in.
Rai Kerensky - scum (for a number of reasons, the one I remember is the start-stop behavior on lynching HP) Now? I'm certain he's not mafia. I still have to think about whether cult leader makes sense. Re-evaluation necessary.
Cantripmancer/Teia - weak scum (didn't want to lynch HP in case something went wrong but felt like normal cantrip in saying it. also used percentages which is a classical scum tell (I'm unsure of the validity), and for Teia it was the poor push on me at end of Day 1) Now? I want to look into Teia because I'm tossing out everything Cantrip's done, especially since I can't read him anyway, and to see if I actually believe it. I think I've read her wrong before...maybe? Now I'm not certain as I continue to think about it. @Teia I forget, did I read you wrong in the clan game? Because I think that's the only one I read you wrong in.
Tammy - scum (really felt off in not wanting to lynch HP) Now? Town, because I believe HP's assessment of Tammy's alignment.
KCC - town (very strong case) Now? Even though it turned out false I think that KCC was genuine. I still believe her to be town.
Wildfire - town (I didn't post reasoning at the time but I'm pretty sure it's due to him genuinely wanting to find scum) Now? I haven't seen anything since then to make me doubt it.
Rhand - town (VT proof) Now? I believe the proof still holds.
Hans - town (actually had a good post) Now? I still think that's the case.
Karn - weak scum (I don't agree with him like I usually do and he's fighting KCC who's a strong town read) Now? Re-evaluate.
Bur - vague town (seemed like clan game) Now? Too vague, I want to reassess.
LnGrrrR - scum ("Some other townie do it") Now? This is the top priority read for me to reassess.
Who am I missing? KamikazeArchon, TMCT (Did I not give an alignment here? I think I thought he was town but he hasn't posted in forever now so I want to hear more), DCIII, iRebel, Killjoy
Alright that gives me the reads to re-evaluate: LnGrrrR (top priority), Teia and Karn (next priority), DCIII, iRebel, Killjoy, Bur, and Rai (lowest priority).
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Rai Kerensky - scum (for a number of reasons, the one I remember is the start-stop behavior on lynching HP) Now? I'm certain he's not mafia. I still have to think about whether cult leader makes sense. Re-evaluation necessary.
So the whole "can't have faked those posts as scum" argument is what makes you certain? I can see a scum mindset behind 571 just fine (thought it was just him and his buddies, saw those two flips, got confused). Or do you think even newbie scum couldn't possibly get confused like that?
Tammy - scum (really felt off in not wanting to lynch HP) Now? Town, because I believe HP's assessment of Tammy's alignment.
Nothing on your own? Just barning HP?
You know, there's a lot of "weak scum" and "re-evaluate" in your reads. Can you confidently state any scum suspects?
As far as your question about CCM8 goes, I can't remember what was your stuff and what was Kank's. You had me as town at least at the end, though.
Especially because it looks like Bur's been active in another on the forums over the last few days but hasn't posted here in six days (which I know includes the Night, but still).
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Riker as anti-town concerns me. Flavorgaming defense? vote Karn
Can you put together a case here (or someone else, if they want to do analysis in this direction)? -I would, but I'm not sure how objective it would be.
Why should it matter how objective it is? If you have a case, make it, and others will decide if it's good.
Sounds to me like you don't have a case and you're looking for others to do your work for you, and if they don't then you're fine letting it go and hopping on someone else who they DO make a case on.
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You guys seriously still are not seeing Kitty as scum? Come on.
Rai Kerensky - scum (for a number of reasons, the one I remember is the start-stop behavior on lynching HP) Now? I'm certain he's not mafia. I still have to think about whether cult leader makes sense. Re-evaluation necessary.
So the whole "can't have faked those posts as scum" argument is what makes you certain? I can see a scum mindset behind 571 just fine (thought it was just him and his buddies, saw those two flips, got confused). Or do you think even newbie scum couldn't possibly get confused like that?
If Rai was mafia he would know the SKs weren't mafia because they weren't listed as his buddies and would have asked the question differently. That's why he could only be cult leader or some other anti-town neutral if he's scum.
Nothing on your own? Just barning HP?
HP was adamant that this is town!Tammy and he knows Tammy far, far better than I.
If Tammy is still around in the endgame I will be digging up his post on why he felt Tammy was town and applying that to later play, but I still believe it in the meantime.
You know, there's a lot of "weak scum" and "re-evaluate" in your reads. Can you confidently state any scum suspects?
No. The point of the post was that I didn't know where to start on finding new reads after my strong scum reads either were dead or overturned, so I took all my old reads and looked at which ones I still believed and which ones I wanted to re-evaluate.
Now that I've done that, I will actually go out and focus on those players.
So right now, no. I cannot confidently state any scum suspects.
But I will be soon, so cool your freakin' jets!
As far as your question about CCM8 goes, I can't remember what was your stuff and what was Kank's. You had me as town at least at the end, though.
I might have to look back at that then myself. That's a project for another day, though.
KCC, why are you suddenly worried about looking objective?
I'm concerned with it being objective because I'm obviously a little close to the situation. I'm not sure how much of what I'm feeling is scum vibes, and how much is a mix of OMGUS and just hating everything he says. An outside perspective would be nice here.
Why should it matter how objective it is? If you have a case, make it, and others will decide if it's good.
Yeah, because that system worked so well last time. -Anyway, I've kinda posted most of my case against you already, albeit broken across many posts and not particularly focused. I'm sure I could just compile those from Yesterday and start a sizable wagon, but I'm not looking for a bunch of "/barn" here, but rather some "/analyze" to double check what I'm seeing.
*TMCT licks the blood from Wheat's fingers in apology, hoping the meaning of the bite was clear.
He then nudges KCC's foot and points his head toward Bur, letting out a meow. While waiting for a response he cautiously brushes up against her, tail ever-so-slightly tensed, and stares at Tanarin with a cocked head.*
May be I am reading too much into this, but considering Tanarin flipped town, is this an indication of anything more than TCMT thinks Bur is Scum? This has been making me wonder as I do my reread.
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He then nudges KCC's foot and points his head toward Bur, letting out a meow. While waiting for a response he cautiously brushes up against her, tail ever-so-slightly tensed, and stares at Tanarin with a cocked head.*
May be I am reading too much into this, but considering Tanarin flipped town, is this an indication of anything more than TCMT thinks Bur is Scum? This has been making me wonder as I do my reread.
Looks to me like Teenage Mutant Curious Turtles was not sure about Tan. When a cat looks at you with a cocked head, it says to me "I'm trying to figure you out".
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Case:
Early day one is full of a bunch of useless "clarifying" questions and casting doubt on everything. Overall just really shallow questions and soft pokes.
Tons of wishy-washy language.
The thing that Rhand and I noticed together but Bur did not.
"Manders Busy" - seriously check Bur's post history, they've been doing a lot of posting, even in Mafia, but nothing here toDay except for one "Oh I've been busy analysis forthcoming" post.
Tanarin flipped town and strongly suspected Bur (up there with someone who just flipped SK), so it's not just me chasing shadows.
BTW Bur what is your preferred pronoun?
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Super excited that my day one track record of town reading scum hasn't been broken.
>_>
I'm not exactly sure what the revelation of it being multifaction does to my karn read. I suppose he could have legitimately been town reading tan. I still think the disparity in reads between tan and KC read off though. Not that the reds is different, but the reasons for the read is different. I want to reread through day one though, which I'll be able to do this weekend.
Also need to figure out what it does to my rai read.
KCC, why are you suddenly worried about looking objective?
I'm concerned with it being objective because I'm obviously a little close to the situation. I'm not sure how much of what I'm feeling is scum vibes, and how much is a mix of OMGUS and just hating everything he says. An outside perspective would be nice here.
Multifactional or no, this is a reason KC is still my strongest town read. This is something I can identify with and understand. Sure, scum *can* say this, but it feels honest.
@Raxmod, I'll be paying less attention than usual this weekend because I'll be in Philly for Eternal Weekend. I should be back at it Monday afternoon sometime.
Given that I already had a scum read on him, what exactly is scummy about continuing to see him as scum? Or is simply having a scum read on Rai what you find scummy?
It's more that you tried to discredit the stance that it would have been hard for Rai to fake that mindset as scum (which I don't agree with) but haven't really done anything else with it, or cased her in more detail, or voted her. It's like you're just undermining reasons others are finding her town but also aren't really pushing her.
Also, my whole case on you from Yesterday, and your line of questioning on Wheat feels off.
Riker as anti-town concerns me. Flavorgaming defense? vote Karn
Can you put together a case here (or someone else, if they want to do analysis in this direction)? -I would, but I'm not sure how objective it would be.
Why should it matter how objective it is? If you have a case, make it, and others will decide if it's good.
Sounds to me like you don't have a case and you're looking for others to do your work for you, and if they don't then you're fine letting it go and hopping on someone else who they DO make a case on.
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You guys seriously still are not seeing Kitty as scum? Come on.
I don't like that comment from KCC, but you also give me the jibblies.
*Taredas saunters into the room, tail held high in the form of a question mark. He walks over a datapad someone left lying on the floor, stepping on the keyboard which causes said datapad to randomly pull up an ancient 21st century archive page labeled Tarhalindur Standard Tells.*
*Taredas wanders over in the direction of Wildfire393 and stops just close enough that Wildfire can stretch to scratch his head.*
Question: If I were to claim cop with an incriminating result against LnG, would anyone believe me?
Follow-the-cop is a reasonable game to play. If it turns out you're lying, then at worst we 1-for-1 scum and town. That said, why are you phrasing this as a hypothetical?
*Taredas glances at Wildfire, hoping for an ear scratch. When it doesn't come, he turns around and starts walking towards Teia, but stops midway. He looks at hans inqusitively, then glances at Wildfire with crossed eyes before walking between KA's legs, tripping him, and batting at KA with his right paw.*
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Question: If I were to claim cop with an incriminating result against LnG, would anyone believe me?
Follow-the-cop is a reasonable game to play. If it turns out you're lying, then at worst we 1-for-1 scum and town. That said, why are you phrasing this as a hypothetical?
*Taredas glances at Wildfire, hoping for an ear scratch. When it doesn't come, he turns around and starts walking towards Teia, but stops midway. He looks at hans inqusitively, then glances at Wildfire with crossed eyes before walking between KA's legs, tripping him, and batting at KA with his right paw.*
What do you dislike about KA? Lick for his cop question, oooh can you scratch a certain number of times to indicate post numbers? Is that allowed? Purr for other stuff if not.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
oh well, still got megs here now if he ever shows up.
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Couldn't have been coached if he's mafia, unless the mafia knew an SK would flip, so if he's scum he can only be Cult Leader.
WIFOM.
How is that wifom?
Because it's basically saying he can read the scum's minds while ignoring other possibilities (like the scum mindset I imagine Rai having) in order to arrive at an esoteric conclusion that also seems to be soft-accusing Rai without actually saying anything.
[quote from="Teia Rabishu »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/574690-star-trek-myriad-universes-mafia-iii-day-2?comment=628"]I forget can you confidently state anyone is scum?
Rai is currently up there.
Plus, that ignores the reason I was pointing out his reads: He used a lot of words to say "I've still got some town reads and my previous scum reads are going to have to be reevaluated." I actually haven't seen much in the ways of behaviour analysis or reevaluations from him lately, despite his activity. Let's see what he's done today: 581 is setup spec, 600 is the "Rai can't be scum for tenuous reasons" thing, 602 is nothing, 605 is more setup spec, 617 promises an ace up his sleeve, 619 is a bunch of "here are some town reads and promises of reevaluation," 621 has him ask Ln for a read, 626 has him drop that line of enquiry without further comment, 633 has him defending Rai while barning HP while promising more content later, and 650 is nothing.
Basically, he hasn't done anything yet. It's just a lot of active lurking and endless promises that there'll be more content later. So, there's a scum suspect I can very confidently state.
It's more that you tried to discredit the stance that it would have been hard for Rai to fake that mindset as scum (which I don't agree with) but haven't really done anything else with it, or cased her in more detail, or voted her. It's like you're just undermining reasons others are finding her town but also aren't really pushing her.
1) Rai's a dude.
2) Most of that is due to the fact that he hasn't done much beyond what my previous posts about him have stated. The "lynch Tanarin to make sure he's not scum" and "if he flips town then I hate losing a player" statements (on top of his misrep in 337 and moving the goalposts in 377, which I covered when I offered my initial reads) don't hint at a town mindset either, which is consistent with the newb scum read I have on him, and why I think his "wait how many scum are there again I thought there was only three" is the result of confused scum wondering why there are serial killers when he thought it was just him and his buddies.
*Taredas regards Killjoy, then hops onto a nearby fence, looks down, looks at KA, and points at KA with his right paw. He then hops down off the fence, regards a sign left on the wall labeled "WitchHunt", purrs, looks at KA, hisses, then turns around and walks off in a huff.*
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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I need to look back at Cythare and BV's interactions.
Remember that Cythare and BV's interactions won't necessarily be super helpful. Presumably, they don't have any information about who the scum are, meaning they're as blind as town. For rereading purposes, it's best to consider them as confirmed town rather than confirmed scum. So you can take their reads at face-value, but you can't really expect to find telling scum-scum interactions.
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I'm looking at it as though the cult leader is a scum by any other name.
Well that's mostly but not entirely true. I also have an ace up my sleeve as to how to find them but I don't want to reveal it until I see it actually happen.
I don't think BV and Cythare interactions are going to say much since they only knew their own alignments.
I'm going to look through some of my old reads here. It won't be thorough, nor do I think I should be thorough until I shake this cold and can think straight.
Can you put together a case here (or someone else, if they want to do analysis in this direction)? -I would, but I'm not sure how objective it would be.
Arianrhod - town (due to claiming miller) Now? I still agree because while he's hunting third parties it's legitimate in the way he approaches it and given the situation we're in.
Rai Kerensky - scum (for a number of reasons, the one I remember is the start-stop behavior on lynching HP) Now? I'm certain he's not mafia. I still have to think about whether cult leader makes sense. Re-evaluation necessary.
Cantripmancer/Teia - weak scum (didn't want to lynch HP in case something went wrong but felt like normal cantrip in saying it. also used percentages which is a classical scum tell (I'm unsure of the validity), and for Teia it was the poor push on me at end of Day 1) Now? I want to look into Teia because I'm tossing out everything Cantrip's done, especially since I can't read him anyway, and to see if I actually believe it. I think I've read her wrong before...maybe? Now I'm not certain as I continue to think about it. @Teia I forget, did I read you wrong in the clan game? Because I think that's the only one I read you wrong in.
Tammy - scum (really felt off in not wanting to lynch HP) Now? Town, because I believe HP's assessment of Tammy's alignment.
KCC - town (very strong case) Now? Even though it turned out false I think that KCC was genuine. I still believe her to be town.
Wildfire - town (I didn't post reasoning at the time but I'm pretty sure it's due to him genuinely wanting to find scum) Now? I haven't seen anything since then to make me doubt it.
Rhand - town (VT proof) Now? I believe the proof still holds.
Hans - town (actually had a good post) Now? I still think that's the case.
Karn - weak scum (I don't agree with him like I usually do and he's fighting KCC who's a strong town read) Now? Re-evaluate.
Bur - vague town (seemed like clan game) Now? Too vague, I want to reassess.
LnGrrrR - scum ("Some other townie do it") Now? This is the top priority read for me to reassess.
Who am I missing? KamikazeArchon, TMCT (Did I not give an alignment here? I think I thought he was town but he hasn't posted in forever now so I want to hear more), DCIII, iRebel, Killjoy
Alright that gives me the reads to re-evaluate: LnGrrrR (top priority), Teia and Karn (next priority), DCIII, iRebel, Killjoy, Bur, and Rai (lowest priority).
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I have a question before I do my full case: how certain are you that Teia is scum?
Meanwhile I just read the OP again and I'm a little scared by this; I thought it was a joke at first but now I'm no longer certain.
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KCC, why are you suddenly worried about looking objective?
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@LnGrrrR: Damn. Then I'm not sure you are what I thought.
I'll try again toMorrow to puzzle it out.
This is a straw man and aloaded question all in one. Very efficient of you.
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So the whole "can't have faked those posts as scum" argument is what makes you certain? I can see a scum mindset behind 571 just fine (thought it was just him and his buddies, saw those two flips, got confused). Or do you think even newbie scum couldn't possibly get confused like that?
Nothing on your own? Just barning HP?
You know, there's a lot of "weak scum" and "re-evaluate" in your reads. Can you confidently state any scum suspects?
As far as your question about CCM8 goes, I can't remember what was your stuff and what was Kank's. You had me as town at least at the end, though.
Why do you think KCC is worried about "looking" objective? She said she's not sure how objective it'd be, not how objective it'd look.
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Why should it matter how objective it is? If you have a case, make it, and others will decide if it's good.
Sounds to me like you don't have a case and you're looking for others to do your work for you, and if they don't then you're fine letting it go and hopping on someone else who they DO make a case on.
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You guys seriously still are not seeing Kitty as scum? Come on.
If Rai was mafia he would know the SKs weren't mafia because they weren't listed as his buddies and would have asked the question differently. That's why he could only be cult leader or some other anti-town neutral if he's scum.
HP was adamant that this is town!Tammy and he knows Tammy far, far better than I.
If Tammy is still around in the endgame I will be digging up his post on why he felt Tammy was town and applying that to later play, but I still believe it in the meantime.
No. The point of the post was that I didn't know where to start on finding new reads after my strong scum reads either were dead or overturned, so I took all my old reads and looked at which ones I still believed and which ones I wanted to re-evaluate.
Now that I've done that, I will actually go out and focus on those players.
So right now, no. I cannot confidently state any scum suspects.
But I will be soon, so cool your freakin' jets!
I might have to look back at that then myself. That's a project for another day, though.
May be I am reading too much into this, but considering Tanarin flipped town, is this an indication of anything more than TCMT thinks Bur is Scum? This has been making me wonder as I do my reread.
Case:
Early day one is full of a bunch of useless "clarifying" questions and casting doubt on everything. Overall just really shallow questions and soft pokes.
Tons of wishy-washy language.
The thing that Rhand and I noticed together but Bur did not.
"Manders Busy" - seriously check Bur's post history, they've been doing a lot of posting, even in Mafia, but nothing here toDay except for one "Oh I've been busy analysis forthcoming" post.
Tanarin flipped town and strongly suspected Bur (up there with someone who just flipped SK), so it's not just me chasing shadows.
BTW Bur what is your preferred pronoun?
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I'm not exactly sure what the revelation of it being multifaction does to my karn read. I suppose he could have legitimately been town reading tan. I still think the disparity in reads between tan and KC read off though. Not that the reds is different, but the reasons for the read is different. I want to reread through day one though, which I'll be able to do this weekend.
Also need to figure out what it does to my rai read.
Maybe not backpedal, but dumb tells are a thing.
How is that wifom?
It's day two, after two sk flips, what kind of person doesn't "reevaluate" after that?
I forget can you confidently state anyone is scum?
Had you been following along and just not posting?
I don't completely buy into the beetle juice tell, but that does look weird.
Multifactional or no, this is a reason KC is still my strongest town read. This is something I can identify with and understand. Sure, scum *can* say this, but it feels honest.
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It's more that you tried to discredit the stance that it would have been hard for Rai to fake that mindset as scum (which I don't agree with) but haven't really done anything else with it, or cased her in more detail, or voted her. It's like you're just undermining reasons others are finding her town but also aren't really pushing her.
Also, my whole case on you from Yesterday, and your line of questioning on Wheat feels off.
I don't like that comment from KCC, but you also give me the jibblies.
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Are you actually claiming this?
I'd be inclined to, given that cop gambits tend not to end well for scum. So why would you lie?
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Because it's basically saying he can read the scum's minds while ignoring other possibilities (like the scum mindset I imagine Rai having) in order to arrive at an esoteric conclusion that also seems to be soft-accusing Rai without actually saying anything.
Rai is currently up there.
Plus, that ignores the reason I was pointing out his reads: He used a lot of words to say "I've still got some town reads and my previous scum reads are going to have to be reevaluated." I actually haven't seen much in the ways of behaviour analysis or reevaluations from him lately, despite his activity. Let's see what he's done today: 581 is setup spec, 600 is the "Rai can't be scum for tenuous reasons" thing, 602 is nothing, 605 is more setup spec, 617 promises an ace up his sleeve, 619 is a bunch of "here are some town reads and promises of reevaluation," 621 has him ask Ln for a read, 626 has him drop that line of enquiry without further comment, 633 has him defending Rai while barning HP while promising more content later, and 650 is nothing.
Basically, he hasn't done anything yet. It's just a lot of active lurking and endless promises that there'll be more content later. So, there's a scum suspect I can very confidently state.
Vote Wheat
1) Rai's a dude.
2) Most of that is due to the fact that he hasn't done much beyond what my previous posts about him have stated. The "lynch Tanarin to make sure he's not scum" and "if he flips town then I hate losing a player" statements (on top of his misrep in 337 and moving the goalposts in 377, which I covered when I offered my initial reads) don't hint at a town mindset either, which is consistent with the newb scum read I have on him, and why I think his "wait how many scum are there again I thought there was only three" is the result of confused scum wondering why there are serial killers when he thought it was just him and his buddies.
There wouldn't be any reason not to believe your claim, and if you're lying, you die.
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