I haven't forgotten my promise to review, this week is still the crazy week. Next week should be better. In the meantime, I'm going to pressure Iso on what really looks like him going out of his way to do nothing.
Because Iso has done absolutely nothing else all game, right? Hell, it was just a footnote on the post he suggested it in.
It's a good plan because it cuts down on any possible ambiguity. If John Q. Public falseclaims Inquisitor with a result and is lynched before the real Inquisitor (V/LA, flaking, whatever) CCs, we have no idea whether he was telling the truth because this is a no-reveal game. The more information that should be public is public, the better, no?
OK... first off, why are we even stating the obvious around here? Anty pretty much sums up my thoughts on the CC issue. On top of that, I find it highly unlikely scum will try to fake claim, as a 1 to 1 for scum is bad for them in this setup. They would know just as much as we do that every role is in this game and outside of Priest/Acolyte, any role can be on any alignment (Didn't we JUST have this conversation and use it to try and ring up antny here? Swear we did.) Thus there would be no reason for them to even false claim IMO, even with half the flips being blind, the risk is too high for them to be caught.
@TCMT: Why even think about letting the judge decide the lynch? If town is going to deadline that often, then we have more serious problems than letting unknown alignment X Judge decide the lynch. The Judge is really meant to be a role of last resort in case town durdles too much, not a use and abuse type role. I mean, I guess it could be used to gain info on the Judge in question (And possible apprentice if he chose Judge,) but that still means we need to rely on said role claiming, AND likely us having to no lynch tonight so the Priest has a clean shot to determine said player's alignment. Even that has the major problem though of scum just killing the Judge, be they scum or not. If the judge is scum, he would be better off as a Devil going into night 2 and wasting the Priest shot. Same goes for if the judge is town, it wastes a priest shot that could go elsewhere (as a blind shot is significantly better than a targetted shot N1 IMO.)
@Cantrip: I THINK I know, but I rather you explain it.
Thing is, I can't say that everyone plays to "best understood practice of Mafia theoretical play", Cantrip. It's best to have the "CC: Y/N" in effect because we don't need an endgame scenario where 5 people have counterclaimed each other and we have absolutely no information because the scum got a lucky kill in - i.e. dead Gravedigger/Priest early on.
I think it's important to have this distinction in an open setup, where all of the roles are known, because if it comes down to "townie claims X and scum counterclaims at endgame", then it can end up horribly for us. I'm sorry you're not thinking about the dynamics of how the game is going to play out (I'm not actually sorry), but the fact that you've done absolutely nothing this game and then come at ME as though I were the one who's done nothing, well, I think you need to get lynched soon.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Thing is, I can't say that everyone plays to "best understood practice of Mafia theoretical play", Cantrip. It's best to have the "CC: Y/N" in effect because we don't need an endgame scenario where 5 people have counterclaimed each other and we have absolutely no information because the scum got a lucky kill in - i.e. dead Gravedigger/Priest early on.[quote]
Well in this scenario, only a dead gravedigger is a concern (Assuming apprentice does not become his backup of course.) And even then, the only roles we should be trusting via claims are the Priest and to a lesser extent the acolyte. Almost wondering if acolyte should claim if the priest is forced to claim before Day X (X TBD,) Same goes with the reverse (Acolyte forced to claim should priest claim?)
Personal opinion: If the priest is claiming first, I say it needs to be considered by the acolyte, but it is his option and I would not expect him to. In the latter case, I really dunno. I see the benefit of both priest not claiming and claiming. On the one hand, it keeps the priest hidden to NOT claim and it gives him more time to inspect others (Plus Priest can't confirm acolyte, unlike the other way.) On the other hand, it is likely past day 2 or 3 that the acolyte is spilling the name of the priest anyway, thus we would at least narrow the suspect pool down by 2 as opposed to one, which is never a bad thing for town.
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I think it's important to have this distinction in an open setup, where all of the roles are known, because if it comes down to "townie claims X and scum counterclaims at endgame", then it can end up horribly for us. I'm sorry you're not thinking about the dynamics of how the game is going to play out (I'm not actually sorry), but the fact that you've done absolutely nothing this game and then come at ME as though I were the one who's done nothing, well, I think you need to get lynched soon.
But not before KoolKoal.
I would think town as a whole would be smart enough to MC at day 3. Why do I say Day 3? Because that is when we are at a real risk of being in LYLO, and with no flips, there is no real way of knowing if we are or are not at LYLO other than seeing 2 kills coming into Day 3.
Thing is, I can't say that everyone plays to "best understood practice of Mafia theoretical play", Cantrip. It's best to have the "CC: Y/N" in effect because we don't need an endgame scenario where 5 people have counterclaimed each other and we have absolutely no information because the scum got a lucky kill in - i.e. dead Gravedigger/Priest early on.
Well in this scenario, only a dead gravedigger is a concern (Assuming apprentice does not become his backup of course.) And even then, the only roles we should be trusting via claims are the Priest and to a lesser extent the acolyte. Almost wondering if acolyte should claim if the priest is forced to claim before Day X (X TBD,) Same goes with the reverse (Acolyte forced to claim should priest claim?)
Personal opinion: If the priest is claiming first, I say it needs to be considered by the acolyte, but it is his option and I would not expect him to. In the latter case, I really dunno. I see the benefit of both priest not claiming and claiming. On the one hand, it keeps the priest hidden to NOT claim and it gives him more time to inspect others (Plus Priest can't confirm acolyte, unlike the other way.) On the other hand, it is likely past day 2 or 3 that the acolyte is spilling the name of the priest anyway, thus we would at least narrow the suspect pool down by 2 as opposed to one, which is never a bad thing for town.
I think it's important to have this distinction in an open setup, where all of the roles are known, because if it comes down to "townie claims X and scum counterclaims at endgame", then it can end up horribly for us. I'm sorry you're not thinking about the dynamics of how the game is going to play out (I'm not actually sorry), but the fact that you've done absolutely nothing this game and then come at ME as though I were the one who's done nothing, well, I think you need to get lynched soon.
But not before KoolKoal.
I would think town as a whole would be smart enough to MC at day 3. Why do I say Day 3? Because that is when we are at a real risk of being in LYLO, and with no flips, there is no real way of knowing if we are or are not at LYLO other than seeing 2 kills coming into Day 3.
This posts is screaming at me. The word I keep hearing is scum. Why? Well look at Generics posts stating me being scum, without the vote. Kami comes in and figures it's the perfect time to jump on the wagon thinking it will start gaining ground.
I think Generic is town. I feel confidence and direction in his posts, which was very much lacking in the game I just played where he was scum.
AE, on the other hand, is spending way more time defending with self-meta - even dredging up posts from his other games - and almost no time scumhunting. The explanation of his Taredas vote not as "Taredas is scum" but as "I got fed up". This is a straight OMGUS and is a scum approach. I still recommend people keep an eye on iRebel but AE is scummier right now.
unvote vote Archmage Eternal
How can I make this anymore clearer???? I'm not defending with self-meta. I'm showing that you can't meta me that way. That Tare was just showing isolated games, scum games, because he was not concerned with finding scum but with discrediting a townie.
I got fed up with his continued misrepn' and ignoring of my posts. I didn't want to switch my vote as Antny was playing the lurking game but enough is enough. Now we have your weak ass attempt at wagon hopping. *sigh* can the scum team be this bad? I have to reavaluate the game state.
Hey AE... you hopped off of me *why*, exactly? That's *not* the reaction I'd expect from a town AE.
I apologise to everyone, but I simply cannot make the necessary commitment to this game with the real life drama I'm dealing with -- and I have no idea how fast, or slow, it's going to subside. The only fair thing to do is replace, and that's what I am going to do instead of repeatedly getting prodded and or dodging prods.
Sorry to Proph and everyone.
Is it bad that my gut response to this post is "iRebel's slot is scum"? I did my homework on him - he replaced out quickly in both Winterfell and Pleasantville - and his catchup posts here (especially the first) were *already* reminding me of Winterfell (they lacked a push and aggression towards targets that iRebel's catchup posts usually show as town and *didn't* show in Winterfell).
(I was going to probe iRebel on this - hence my "who do you suspect and why" question to him earlier - but no point hiding this now that he's replaced out.)
Vote Eshnolat, because I know practically nothing about him/her.
I propose we let the judge decide the lynch toDay. Discuss.
I'm on board with this.
Speaking of "is it bad?": Is it bad that I'm seriously reconsidering the Judge lynch plan toDay? Yes, it's only good in a couple of corner cases... but I'm like, 95% sure that one of those cases is in play. I will not elaborate further at this time. (Ask me again a few hours before deadline.)
I've seen too many scum on MS float anti-town suggestions around random stage and backpedal with "oh, I didn't really mean it" to blindly trust that explanation.
(Which makes it doubly ironic that I'm actually considering the Judge plan, but we'll get there in due time.)
So, as you're fully aware, my early votes tend to have several prongs and feelers attached to them - this is to stumble unsuspecting scum, bowl down weak scum, and see who's analyzing the game critically. When I first saw your AE case, it reminded me of the case you presented on Az in CT3 tonally - so I voted you to see what was up. There were disappointingly few reactions to it, and most people's responses could be summarily labeled as "derf wut? iso watr u duen". That said, the two most useful reactions garnered from my vote were AE's subsequent hop on your wagon, which has given me a leaning scum read on him, and Arch's questioning of my vote has put him in leaning town status. The vote was also a litmus test to gauge you, as well. Yes, I considered that your bus tone could read like your town tone - though I do admit that the only reason I ever thought you were scum in that game was because of Cyan's vote on you in that one spot that was an obvious bus. Unfortunately, I was also townreading Cyan, except for that vote. But that's neither here nor there. What I'm getting at is that I like your response above - it's a very thorough and transparent thought process and comes out with a level of detail I don't expect scumTare to be able to feign. So my vote was actually a combination of mindsets 1 and 2: The probe, to test you, and the sensor, to feel out the game state. If you are scum, then I'd wager it's with Arch - but given that your above post has pretty much assuaged all suspicion I may have of you for the game to come, that seems unlikely.
On that note, Unvote.
Now talk to me.
Yep, that's the mindset 1+2 hybrid - mindset 1 being the sensor (analogous to the Tammy attack in CT3, which is why I didn't pull the "attack me" strategy - if your attack on me *was* like the later phases of the Tammy probe, then the attack wouldn't be sincere even if you were town), and mindset 2 being the probe (you've seen the *scum* version of the early D1 pounce, but I don't think you've seen the town behavior it's imitating in action - unsurprising, since I have a hard time pulling that when not in a town groove and I've had trouble tapping into that ever since the debacle that was D1 of Ultimate Showdown).
For the record, while the interactions with my scumbuddies were the killer in Drury, you *did* twig onto the tonal difference in the attack - you correctly scumread me for it early and noted it as part of the endgame analysis ("Tare uses a lot more excited language as scum, as well as structures his sentences to make it seem like he's putting more thought into what he's doing"), and it's something I (and quite a few other players in the analyst vein, Az being a shining example - I think it comes from the "plays to figure out the game" mindset) have a very hard time faking.
In related news, I'm pretty sure you're town here - you're, uh, "a lot calmer" (to use your own description of Town!Tar from Drury) than I'd expect from you as scum. As for the part of mindset 2 I was keeping to myself, I think I'll just note that if I thought mindset 3 was in play my first thought would have been to 1-on-1 you and leave it at that for now.
here. I'm also leaning scum on Generic but I'm not too sure on anyone else right now beyond the odd weak townread.
You're probably scum.
Can you walk me through this one? I'm not seeing it - Antny's defense towards Generic in particular feels townie, and Koal reads more like buddying scum than actual scumbuddies - and that's a lynchpin read because if Antny *is* scum then Generic almost certainly isn't.
I seem to recall AE putting up an okay defense in Magical Girl, though you're welcome to correct me if you can find otherwise.
AE will counterattack people attacking him as scum, but he rarely sustains the push - from what I've seen, he usually just counterattacks briefly and then moves on (before getting annoyed at people wanting him dead for setupgaming after he botches his fakeclaim ).
It's possible I'm missing something from D2ish in Magical Girls, though? - I only really lurked that game from D3 on, and most of my rereads have focused on AE's early interactions.
(It's also why AE's hopping off my wagon after I backed off [and onto KA, the only player still voting AE] is concerning, because I don't understand why he would do that as town who actually thought I was scum - surely KA could wait, especially considering that he hasn't explicitly backed off me? And reading scum defense is the weakest part of my towngame, and I *did* fall for AE's defense in WWE. Screw it, we'll deal with that later, Koal's scum either way.)
So Taredas, you jump off the AE case as it's losing steam. You answer my question by saying "no", but what you actually meant was just as much WIFOM "look I must be town" as what I originally asked. Then you throw mud at me because I had a "scum tone." I gave you a chance to explain yourself before jumping on your (popular) wagon in case I was reading too much into it -> must be scum!
And in what universe does antny's "case" merit more than a handwave? It was almost all about a tone he applied to my posts (just like half of your "case" is), and I replied to the one thing I could actually reply to. But that doesn't matter to you, you're just interested in joining a fresh wagon with some steam behind it.
I know who is scum between you and Tanarin now.
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Horse puckey.
A) Post 110 is meant to *imitate* a townie probing at something they find off, I'm sure. But it's not the genuine article - a townie wouldn't phrase the question as "Are you hiding from Iso and AE?". That's a loaded question ("when did you stop beating your wife") - either of the answers the question wants (yes or no) make the person you're asking look scummy, which doesn't help figure out the player's alignment. But paint someone as scummy so you can hop onto the wagon on them and hopefully mislynch them? It does that just fine. Or rather, would have, except I called you on it.
B) Oh, I don't know, how about *every universe in which you are town*? If you are town who thinks Antny is town, you should either ignore him or show him why his case is in error. Instead, you just dismiss Antny's case (with an all-but-explicit "you have no case!" to boot - which is the prototypical scum reaction to a case). Moreover, you don't show any town indignation to an attack - in fact, you EXPLICITLY laugh off the case ("lol"), which makes no sense from town who believes they are being mistakenly attacked by another town. In short, you're trying to use humor to defuse a fight. Why? Because you're scum.
C) "Fresh wagon with some steam"? Bullfeathers. The AE wagon was *picking up steam* when I bailed - KA had just joined, and while Generic hadn't actually voted he had shown support. I *DERAILED* the AE wagon.
D) "Know who the scum between Taredas and Tanarin is"? Not bloody likely. If you actually thought that Tanarin and I were unaligned pairs, you would be actively trying to figure out which is which. But instead you've just sat around on the sidelines trying to "figure out which one of them is scum" - which is stock scum fencesitting/trying to chain mislynches ("Tar was town, so Tanarin must be scum!").
Iso: I'm requesting reasoning from you for your vote on me.
Oh, and speaking of why you're scum? This post. Again, there's no indignation here - in fact, it feels like you're intentionally trying to suppress your emotions and avoid conflict, what with the unnatural wording ("I'm requesting reasoning?" Really?). Moreover, immediately asking for an explanation of an unexplained vote tends to come from a scum mindset even in a vacuum, let alone after you've *already* responded to a different case with "you have no case!".
A. You outright said exactly what my "loaded question" asked, so I fail to see how I was making a cunning trap for you. I'm sorry I didn't realize I shouldn't bother to ask you because you were already scummy regardless of your answer.
B. I did explain why his case was in error, perhaps not well, but I did. And how dare I not be indignant at a case that isn't threatening! I even said "lol!" The scummery of it all! Clearly, all town players get angry when a fellow townie attacks them no matter what!
Humor to defuse a situation you say? I insulted his case, how is that an attempt to defuse the situation? If it affected the situation at all, it would only be to make him angry.
C. Yes, this point of mine was wrong.
D. Uh, I was trying to figure out which of you was which? You do realize you two had posted like 4 times all together since I'd decided you were unaligned pairs, right? You do realize I hadn't even decided you were an unaligned pair, and in fact said many times only that both of you weren't scum, right? And how am I supposed to chain mislynches in a no-reveal game?
On Iso: First of all, why does there have to be indignation? Do all town players play the same way?
Next, the last time I made a similar request of Iso (one of the modfia games), he ignored me, so I posted my request in a more polite style than last time, but he's ignored me again.
As for immediately asking for an explanation, you're ignoring the fact that I didn't immediately ask Gen for his reasoning when he made a similar post to Iso's first. Turns out I'm still trying to scumhunt . Maybe, eventually, people will come back and look at this interaction with Iso with unbiased minds and see that he can't explain why he's voting for me.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
Is it also worth pointing out that AE is very likely scum?
This is the second time you've worked a statement like this in. Are you waiting for others start pushing my wagon? Or is it a placeholder to jump on the wagon D2? It looks like your trying to set up a lynch for D2 and can justify jumping on by these snips of posts
His support of me felt like he was trying to link to me in a way of wiping some scumminess on my coat (three washes later and it still won't come off... It's like slug juice).
It was sarcasm, in other words get of your high horse.
So, as you're fully aware, my early votes tend to have several prongs and feelers attached to them - this is to stumble unsuspecting scum, bowl down weak scum, and see who's analyzing the game critically. When I first saw your AE case, it reminded me of the case you presented on Az in CT3 tonally - so I voted you to see what was up. There were disappointingly few reactions to it, and most people's responses could be summarily labeled as "derf wut? iso watr u duen". That said, the two most useful reactions garnered from my vote were AE's subsequent hop on your wagon, which has given me a leaning scum read on him, and Arch's questioning of my vote has put him in leaning town status. The vote was also a litmus test to gauge you, as well. Yes, I considered that your bus tone could read like your town tone - though I do admit that the only reason I ever thought you were scum in that game was because of Cyan's vote on you in that one spot that was an obvious bus. Unfortunately, I was also townreading Cyan, except for that vote. But that's neither here nor there. What I'm getting at is that I like your response above - it's a very thorough and transparent thought process and comes out with a level of detail I don't expect scumTare to be able to feign. So my vote was actually a combination of mindsets 1 and 2: The probe, to test you, and the sensor, to feel out the game state. If you are scum, then I'd wager it's with Arch - but given that your above post has pretty much assuaged all suspicion I may have of you for the game to come, that seems unlikely.
On that note, Unvote.
Now talk to me.
Yep, that's the mindset 1+2 hybrid - mindset 1 being the sensor (analogous to the Tammy attack in CT3, which is why I didn't pull the "attack me" strategy - if your attack on me *was* like the later phases of the Tammy probe, then the attack wouldn't be sincere even if you were town), and mindset 2 being the probe (you've seen the *scum* version of the early D1 pounce, but I don't think you've seen the town behavior it's imitating in action - unsurprising, since I have a hard time pulling that when not in a town groove and I've had trouble tapping into that ever since the debacle that was D1 of Ultimate Showdown).
For the record, while the interactions with my scumbuddies were the killer in Drury, you *did* twig onto the tonal difference in the attack - you correctly scumread me for it early and noted it as part of the endgame analysis ("Tare uses a lot more excited language as scum, as well as structures his sentences to make it seem like he's putting more thought into what he's doing"), and it's something I (and quite a few other players in the analyst vein, Az being a shining example - I think it comes from the "plays to figure out the game" mindset) have a very hard time faking.
Oh right, I forgot I did ~meta research~ in that game. I pretty much blocked 90% of that game out of my mind and all I really remember is "ridiculous trichotomy on Day 1", "Rhand burned my ******* muffins", and "holy ***** I hammered correctly in endgame after being busy OoG for like a week before I could reread". But yeah, that's fair.
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In related news, I'm pretty sure you're town here - you're, uh, "a lot calmer" (to use your own description of Town!Tar from Drury) than I'd expect from you as scum. As for the part of mindset 2 I was keeping to myself, I think I'll just note that if I thought mindset 3 was in play my first thought would have been to 1-on-1 you and leave it at that for now.
"A lot calmer"? Am I normally hyper or frenetic as scum?
But yes, I figured you would've come at me if you didn't like my posting - which was interesting to me, because reading your post, I was pretty easily able to fill in most of the blanks that you weren't outright saying but suggesting.
here. I'm also leaning scum on Generic but I'm not too sure on anyone else right now beyond the odd weak townread.
You're probably scum.
Can you walk me through this one? I'm not seeing it - Antny's defense towards Generic in particular feels townie, and Koal reads more like buddying scum than actual scumbuddies - and that's a lynchpin read because if Antny *is* scum then Generic almost certainly isn't.
I mostly skimmed his defense against Generic, though I don't remember feeling compelled by anything I read. I think (I say "think" here because I haven't looked at the quote in the context of the game) what I was voting for here was the timing + forced-seeming reasoning given. It just felt like a bus vote.
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Hey Tare, what do you make of KoolKoal's wagon being at L-3 for as long as it has?
Maybe, eventually, people will come back and look at this interaction with Iso with unbiased minds and see that he can't explain why he's voting for me.
If I really wanted to, I could rehash the points presented against you thus far in my own words, and save myself the " " of this conversation. The fact that I'm not should be an indicator to you that I don't care what you think presently.
Also, I'm curious - you said you asked me before in a Modfia the same question (said question being my vote rationale) and I responded similarly. What was my alignment in that game, and (to answer the first question), since I was town in that game, how is that a point against me in this one?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Where's your vote on me then of you think my motivations are sinister?
You complain I'm not voting, yet you haven't either.
Look at you being all cute, how nice. Who's complaining? I'm not complaining. I'm just pointing something out that's scummy. I'm fine with where my vote is for the time being.
Nope. I see scummy behavior, and I see null behavior. Once the replacements get in here and reboot the game we can start moving along and getting things going.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If I really wanted to, I could rehash the points presented against you thus far in my own words, and save myself the " " of this conversation. The fact that I'm not should be an indicator to you that I don't care what you think presently.
Why do you think I stopped pushing about it? I figured out that you're not going to care unless more people pressure you.
Also, I'm curious - you said you asked me before in a Modfia the same question (said question being my vote rationale) and I responded similarly. What was my alignment in that game, and (to answer the first question), since I was town in that game, how is that a point against me in this one?
The fact that you're willing to be anti-town as town has no bearing on the fact that you're being anti-town.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
If I really wanted to, I could rehash the points presented against you thus far in my own words, and save myself the " " of this conversation. The fact that I'm not should be an indicator to you that I don't care what you think presently.
Why do you think I stopped pushing about it? I figured out that you're not going to care unless more people pressure you.
Also, I'm curious - you said you asked me before in a Modfia the same question (said question being my vote rationale) and I responded similarly. What was my alignment in that game, and (to answer the first question), since I was town in that game, how is that a point against me in this one?
The fact that you're willing to be anti-town as town has no bearing on the fact that you're being anti-town.
If you have experience with me behaving in an anti-town (debatable) manner as town, again, I ask: Why attempt to pressure me for it? Shouldn't you be looking elsewhere in my play to determine my alignment?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Nope. I see scummy behavior, and I see null behavior. Once the replacements get in here and reboot the game we can start moving along and getting things going.
So... are you implying you don't see any scummy behavior from the people who are still left, and only saw it from those being replaced? I find it kard to believe that you don't see someone as town due to interactions with those in your scum pile. Also why do not want to move the game forward a bit? 219 posts is not a lot to catch up on. I am sure the last two people who replace in can catch up reasonably fast. Hell, you currently have Tare as a scumsuspect (As you are voting him.) Who are your other scumsuspects right now? Lazyness is only going to help scum, so stalling the game too long is bad.
If you have experience with me behaving in an anti-town (debatable) manner as town, again, I ask: Why attempt to pressure me for it? Shouldn't you be looking elsewhere in my play to determine my alignment?
I'm pressuring you so that you'll act town if you are town. If you're scum, feel free to continue pretending your place on my wagon is explained.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
@Iso. Null on TMCT. His vote was overzealous. Like his proddn' of Cantrip.
@TMCT. Why is it a good idea to have the Judge decide the lynch?
@Tanarin. When I say anyone I'm implying the player base, all involved. Not being lazy just slow rolling. But out of curiosity, how is it going to help the scum in this situation?
What I want to see is the bottom group of posters to be more engaged.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Should have posted that I'm essentially V/LA during PAX, but I will try to get at least one post per day in. However, it doesn't look like I missed much. AE continues to be scum. Generic continues to be town. Iso and KK are not scum together. More votes on AE.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I've seen too many scum on MS float anti-town suggestions around random stage and backpedal with "oh, I didn't really mean it" to blindly trust that explanation.
The biggest difference used to be that I cared far less about my town game than my scum game.
But after a couple of losses as scum (I actually self hammered in lylo recently... But I was in a bad place so the self destruct was testiment to that) I have focused more on my town game.
So no difference, still playing to the mood I'm in at the time. Chilled mood today so feel free to probe me (that's what she said...)
You're basically parroting hawk in your sig. I know hawk is right in saying that you play more to your mood than to your alignment, but your internal mood as scum swings way further toward the controlled, levelheaded side of things, regardless of what it appears to be in-thread. Contrast the Majora's Mask scumchat (almost a complete lack of emotion on your part -- clear and logical) with your posts in the game thread (esp. your D1 exchange with Iso).
eshnolat calls you super aggressive and you respond with "I'd keep your vote me for the rest of the game then eshnolat. Cos I won't be playing any other way" -- that's scum-Generic saying "I'm town and this is how I play as town."
You seem to gloss over my guaranttee you won't get my wagon to hammer... Are you just slow or is it because it seems you might have a way to circumvent the need for a hammer?
Because I doubt as scum I would make such assertions, especially on day 1. Maybe you need to read the signs, unless you really are scum of course.
Seems null to me.
As for koolkoal, his OMGUS played a part, but mostly I have reasons which are tactical. And as time has marched on the wagon has just felt right given the other votes on it. The other three people on the wagon I think are town. And given the weakest town read on that wagon is Iso that's a good wagon to be on.
Okay.
I'm going to wait on something else to respond to this.
Hypothetically TMCT, if you had the kingmaker power right now who would you lynch?
KK. I have a good feeling about 2½ players on his wagon (i.e. more than any other wagon) so he's the logical way to end the Day. My gut is only saying leaning town on him.
As for koolkoal, his OMGUS played a part, but mostly I have reasons which are tactical. And as time has marched on the wagon has just felt right given the other votes on it. The other three people on the wagon I think are town. And given the weakest town read on that wagon is Iso that's a good wagon to be on.
Sigh, I was really close to townreading you Generic and then you said this.
Hypothetically TMCT, if you had the kingmaker power right now who would you lynch?
KK. I have a good feeling about 2½ players on his wagon (i.e. more than any other wagon) so he's the logical way to end the Day. My gut is only saying leaning town on him.
This is scummy as hell as well. It's like you and Generic are competing to say the worst thing.
Hey Tare, what do you make of KoolKoal's wagon being at L-3 for as long as it has?
If you're implying what I think you are, why are you asking someone else on the wagon?
This is a really stupid question because I've already given an answer in this thread to someone else who asked a stupid question that had the same answer to this question.
Hypothetically TMCT, if you had the kingmaker power right now who would you lynch?
KK. I have a good feeling about 2½ players on his wagon (i.e. more than any other wagon) so he's the logical way to end the Day. My gut is only saying leaning town on him.
This is scummy as hell as well. It's like you and Generic are competing to say the worst thing.
I think you're beating them both out by a fair margin.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This is a really stupid question because I've already given an answer in this thread to someone else who asked a stupid question that had the same answer to this question.
As for my interest in AE's read on you, he blamed his not doing anything on waiting for the replacements. Once you replaced in and posted, I asked him for his read on you because if his reason for not doing anything was legitimate, he would have been attempting to extract a read on you. Which he clearly hasn't, as he has you listed as null.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Hm...okay. There's an easy answer to the question of why a wagon is stalling, so I'm interested to hear what you're looking for if/when Tar answers you.
As for my interest in AE's read on you, he blamed his not doing anything on waiting for the replacements. Once you replaced in and posted, I asked him for his read on you because if his reason for not doing anything was legitimate, he would have been attempting to extract a read on you. Which he clearly hasn't, as he has you listed as null.
So...
Okay.
I don't know what to think of AE yet. Last time I said I had him figured out he slipped by me as scum. I'm having trouble disassociating my read on him from my conflicting meta reads on him...I'm going to come back to this when there aren't more interesting players.
I've been wagon training in my absence, so no problems my friend
Generic, what would you say is the biggest difference in your town and scum play?
Because Iso has done absolutely nothing else all game, right? Hell, it was just a footnote on the post he suggested it in.
It's a good plan because it cuts down on any possible ambiguity. If John Q. Public falseclaims Inquisitor with a result and is lynched before the real Inquisitor (V/LA, flaking, whatever) CCs, we have no idea whether he was telling the truth because this is a no-reveal game. The more information that should be public is public, the better, no?
You've lost your reaction-baiting privileges until you finish your first reaction-baiting gambit.
@Mod
What happens if a player is modkilled? Is the death still no-reveal and nobody goes to heaven/hell?
@TCMT: Why even think about letting the judge decide the lynch? If town is going to deadline that often, then we have more serious problems than letting unknown alignment X Judge decide the lynch. The Judge is really meant to be a role of last resort in case town durdles too much, not a use and abuse type role. I mean, I guess it could be used to gain info on the Judge in question (And possible apprentice if he chose Judge,) but that still means we need to rely on said role claiming, AND likely us having to no lynch tonight so the Priest has a clean shot to determine said player's alignment. Even that has the major problem though of scum just killing the Judge, be they scum or not. If the judge is scum, he would be better off as a Devil going into night 2 and wasting the Priest shot. Same goes for if the judge is town, it wastes a priest shot that could go elsewhere (as a blind shot is significantly better than a targetted shot N1 IMO.)
@Cantrip: I THINK I know, but I rather you explain it.
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I think it's important to have this distinction in an open setup, where all of the roles are known, because if it comes down to "townie claims X and scum counterclaims at endgame", then it can end up horribly for us. I'm sorry you're not thinking about the dynamics of how the game is going to play out (I'm not actually sorry), but the fact that you've done absolutely nothing this game and then come at ME as though I were the one who's done nothing, well, I think you need to get lynched soon.
But not before KoolKoal.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I would think town as a whole would be smart enough to MC at day 3. Why do I say Day 3? Because that is when we are at a real risk of being in LYLO, and with no flips, there is no real way of knowing if we are or are not at LYLO other than seeing 2 kills coming into Day 3.
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Well in this scenario, only a dead gravedigger is a concern (Assuming apprentice does not become his backup of course.) And even then, the only roles we should be trusting via claims are the Priest and to a lesser extent the acolyte. Almost wondering if acolyte should claim if the priest is forced to claim before Day X (X TBD,) Same goes with the reverse (Acolyte forced to claim should priest claim?)
Personal opinion: If the priest is claiming first, I say it needs to be considered by the acolyte, but it is his option and I would not expect him to. In the latter case, I really dunno. I see the benefit of both priest not claiming and claiming. On the one hand, it keeps the priest hidden to NOT claim and it gives him more time to inspect others (Plus Priest can't confirm acolyte, unlike the other way.) On the other hand, it is likely past day 2 or 3 that the acolyte is spilling the name of the priest anyway, thus we would at least narrow the suspect pool down by 2 as opposed to one, which is never a bad thing for town.
I would think town as a whole would be smart enough to MC at day 3. Why do I say Day 3? Because that is when we are at a real risk of being in LYLO, and with no flips, there is no real way of knowing if we are or are not at LYLO other than seeing 2 kills coming into Day 3.
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(7 to lynch)
KoolKoal (4): Antny223, Taredas, Generic, Iso
Taredas (2): Archmage Eternal, KoolKoal
Archmage Eternal (2): Tanarin, KamikazeArchon
Generic (2): Eshnolat, The Most Curious Thing
Tanarin (1): iRebel
The Most Curious Thing (1): Cantripmancer
Abstain (0)
Still seeking replacements for iRebel and Eshnolat. Until those slots get filled, the deadline and prods will be suspended.
Death is still no reveal. That player will be able to become a Angel/Demon.
Hey AE... you hopped off of me *why*, exactly? That's *not* the reaction I'd expect from a town AE.
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Is it bad that my gut response to this post is "iRebel's slot is scum"? I did my homework on him - he replaced out quickly in both Winterfell and Pleasantville - and his catchup posts here (especially the first) were *already* reminding me of Winterfell (they lacked a push and aggression towards targets that iRebel's catchup posts usually show as town and *didn't* show in Winterfell).
(I was going to probe iRebel on this - hence my "who do you suspect and why" question to him earlier - but no point hiding this now that he's replaced out.)
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Speaking of "is it bad?": Is it bad that I'm seriously reconsidering the Judge lynch plan toDay? Yes, it's only good in a couple of corner cases... but I'm like, 95% sure that one of those cases is in play. I will not elaborate further at this time. (Ask me again a few hours before deadline.)
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(Which makes it doubly ironic that I'm actually considering the Judge plan, but we'll get there in due time.)
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Yep, that's the mindset 1+2 hybrid - mindset 1 being the sensor (analogous to the Tammy attack in CT3, which is why I didn't pull the "attack me" strategy - if your attack on me *was* like the later phases of the Tammy probe, then the attack wouldn't be sincere even if you were town), and mindset 2 being the probe (you've seen the *scum* version of the early D1 pounce, but I don't think you've seen the town behavior it's imitating in action - unsurprising, since I have a hard time pulling that when not in a town groove and I've had trouble tapping into that ever since the debacle that was D1 of Ultimate Showdown).
For the record, while the interactions with my scumbuddies were the killer in Drury, you *did* twig onto the tonal difference in the attack - you correctly scumread me for it early and noted it as part of the endgame analysis ("Tare uses a lot more excited language as scum, as well as structures his sentences to make it seem like he's putting more thought into what he's doing"), and it's something I (and quite a few other players in the analyst vein, Az being a shining example - I think it comes from the "plays to figure out the game" mindset) have a very hard time faking.
In related news, I'm pretty sure you're town here - you're, uh, "a lot calmer" (to use your own description of Town!Tar from Drury) than I'd expect from you as scum. As for the part of mindset 2 I was keeping to myself, I think I'll just note that if I thought mindset 3 was in play my first thought would have been to 1-on-1 you and leave it at that for now.
Can you walk me through this one? I'm not seeing it - Antny's defense towards Generic in particular feels townie, and Koal reads more like buddying scum than actual scumbuddies - and that's a lynchpin read because if Antny *is* scum then Generic almost certainly isn't.
AE will counterattack people attacking him as scum, but he rarely sustains the push - from what I've seen, he usually just counterattacks briefly and then moves on (before getting annoyed at people wanting him dead for setupgaming after he botches his fakeclaim ).
It's possible I'm missing something from D2ish in Magical Girls, though? - I only really lurked that game from D3 on, and most of my rereads have focused on AE's early interactions.
(It's also why AE's hopping off my wagon after I backed off [and onto KA, the only player still voting AE] is concerning, because I don't understand why he would do that as town who actually thought I was scum - surely KA could wait, especially considering that he hasn't explicitly backed off me? And reading scum defense is the weakest part of my towngame, and I *did* fall for AE's defense in WWE. Screw it, we'll deal with that later, Koal's scum either way.)
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Horse puckey.
A) Post 110 is meant to *imitate* a townie probing at something they find off, I'm sure. But it's not the genuine article - a townie wouldn't phrase the question as "Are you hiding from Iso and AE?". That's a loaded question ("when did you stop beating your wife") - either of the answers the question wants (yes or no) make the person you're asking look scummy, which doesn't help figure out the player's alignment. But paint someone as scummy so you can hop onto the wagon on them and hopefully mislynch them? It does that just fine. Or rather, would have, except I called you on it.
B) Oh, I don't know, how about *every universe in which you are town*? If you are town who thinks Antny is town, you should either ignore him or show him why his case is in error. Instead, you just dismiss Antny's case (with an all-but-explicit "you have no case!" to boot - which is the prototypical scum reaction to a case). Moreover, you don't show any town indignation to an attack - in fact, you EXPLICITLY laugh off the case ("lol"), which makes no sense from town who believes they are being mistakenly attacked by another town. In short, you're trying to use humor to defuse a fight. Why? Because you're scum.
C) "Fresh wagon with some steam"? Bullfeathers. The AE wagon was *picking up steam* when I bailed - KA had just joined, and while Generic hadn't actually voted he had shown support. I *DERAILED* the AE wagon.
D) "Know who the scum between Taredas and Tanarin is"? Not bloody likely. If you actually thought that Tanarin and I were unaligned pairs, you would be actively trying to figure out which is which. But instead you've just sat around on the sidelines trying to "figure out which one of them is scum" - which is stock scum fencesitting/trying to chain mislynches ("Tar was town, so Tanarin must be scum!").
Oh, and speaking of why you're scum? This post. Again, there's no indignation here - in fact, it feels like you're intentionally trying to suppress your emotions and avoid conflict, what with the unnatural wording ("I'm requesting reasoning?" Really?). Moreover, immediately asking for an explanation of an unexplained vote tends to come from a scum mindset even in a vacuum, let alone after you've *already* responded to a different case with "you have no case!".
I repeat: You're scum, get lynched.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
B. I did explain why his case was in error, perhaps not well, but I did. And how dare I not be indignant at a case that isn't threatening! I even said "lol!" The scummery of it all! Clearly, all town players get angry when a fellow townie attacks them no matter what!
Humor to defuse a situation you say? I insulted his case, how is that an attempt to defuse the situation? If it affected the situation at all, it would only be to make him angry.
C. Yes, this point of mine was wrong.
D. Uh, I was trying to figure out which of you was which? You do realize you two had posted like 4 times all together since I'd decided you were unaligned pairs, right? You do realize I hadn't even decided you were an unaligned pair, and in fact said many times only that both of you weren't scum, right? And how am I supposed to chain mislynches in a no-reveal game?
On Iso: First of all, why does there have to be indignation? Do all town players play the same way?
Next, the last time I made a similar request of Iso (one of the modfia games), he ignored me, so I posted my request in a more polite style than last time, but he's ignored me again.
As for immediately asking for an explanation, you're ignoring the fact that I didn't immediately ask Gen for his reasoning when he made a similar post to Iso's first. Turns out I'm still trying to scumhunt . Maybe, eventually, people will come back and look at this interaction with Iso with unbiased minds and see that he can't explain why he's voting for me.
Really? See the vote count?
This is the second time you've worked a statement like this in. Are you waiting for others start pushing my wagon? Or is it a placeholder to jump on the wagon D2? It looks like your trying to set up a lynch for D2 and can justify jumping on by these snips of posts
It was sarcasm, in other words get of your high horse.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Oh right, I forgot I did ~meta research~ in that game. I pretty much blocked 90% of that game out of my mind and all I really remember is "ridiculous trichotomy on Day 1", "Rhand burned my ******* muffins", and "holy ***** I hammered correctly in endgame after being busy OoG for like a week before I could reread". But yeah, that's fair.
"A lot calmer"? Am I normally hyper or frenetic as scum?
But yes, I figured you would've come at me if you didn't like my posting - which was interesting to me, because reading your post, I was pretty easily able to fill in most of the blanks that you weren't outright saying but suggesting.
I mostly skimmed his defense against Generic, though I don't remember feeling compelled by anything I read. I think (I say "think" here because I haven't looked at the quote in the context of the game) what I was voting for here was the timing + forced-seeming reasoning given. It just felt like a bus vote.
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Hey Tare, what do you make of KoolKoal's wagon being at L-3 for as long as it has?
If I really wanted to, I could rehash the points presented against you thus far in my own words, and save myself the " " of this conversation. The fact that I'm not should be an indicator to you that I don't care what you think presently.
Also, I'm curious - you said you asked me before in a Modfia the same question (said question being my vote rationale) and I responded similarly. What was my alignment in that game, and (to answer the first question), since I was town in that game, how is that a point against me in this one?
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Really. You don't have any town reads?
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Look at you being all cute, how nice. Who's complaining? I'm not complaining. I'm just pointing something out that's scummy. I'm fine with where my vote is for the time being.
Nope. I see scummy behavior, and I see null behavior. Once the replacements get in here and reboot the game we can start moving along and getting things going.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The fact that you're willing to be anti-town as town has no bearing on the fact that you're being anti-town.
Can't? Sure. Want to? No. With 3 people replacing, a couple others not doing much of anything yet, I don't see how it will be beneficial.
*sigh* Your a clever one.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
If you have experience with me behaving in an anti-town (debatable) manner as town, again, I ask: Why attempt to pressure me for it? Shouldn't you be looking elsewhere in my play to determine my alignment?
What's your read on TMCT?
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So... are you implying you don't see any scummy behavior from the people who are still left, and only saw it from those being replaced? I find it kard to believe that you don't see someone as town due to interactions with those in your scum pile. Also why do not want to move the game forward a bit? 219 posts is not a lot to catch up on. I am sure the last two people who replace in can catch up reasonably fast. Hell, you currently have Tare as a scumsuspect (As you are voting him.) Who are your other scumsuspects right now? Lazyness is only going to help scum, so stalling the game too long is bad.
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@Iso. Null on TMCT. His vote was overzealous. Like his proddn' of Cantrip.
@TMCT. Why is it a good idea to have the Judge decide the lynch?
@Tanarin. When I say anyone I'm implying the player base, all involved. Not being lazy just slow rolling. But out of curiosity, how is it going to help the scum in this situation?
What I want to see is the bottom group of posters to be more engaged.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
This reads like you know I'm town.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This was (obviously) @ KK.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Kamikaze = Arch
Kosakosa = Kosa (but is now TMCT so it doesn't matter THAT much)
KoolKoal = KK or KoolKoal
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You should change Arch to Kami
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Ahhh, gotcha.
Well that's just it. How many people are posting right now? But then again I must be waiting for my scum team to reassemble.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Run the Taredas/Tanarin dichotomy by me again. I'm still not seeing it.
Also: if the "fresh wagon with some steam behind it" had been on someone other than you, would you still have voted Tar?
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Having a town judge means we couple the advantage of the town's majority vote with the advantage of a confirmed townie tipping the balance if needed.
I don't care about the possibility of a scum judge for undisclosed reasons.
/barn
You're basically parroting hawk in your sig. I know hawk is right in saying that you play more to your mood than to your alignment, but your internal mood as scum swings way further toward the controlled, levelheaded side of things, regardless of what it appears to be in-thread. Contrast the Majora's Mask scumchat (almost a complete lack of emotion on your part -- clear and logical) with your posts in the game thread (esp. your D1 exchange with Iso).
eshnolat calls you super aggressive and you respond with "I'd keep your vote me for the rest of the game then eshnolat. Cos I won't be playing any other way" -- that's scum-Generic saying "I'm town and this is how I play as town."
Can you explain why you were so quick to vote KoolKoal after his Tar counter-vote? How was that a "poor play"/broom trip?
If you're implying what I think you are, why are you asking someone else on the wagon?
Forgot about this.
You mean Generic forgetting this was an open setup? Huh?
Confirmed?
Sorry I'm not going at it blindly. We won't even know who the Judge is unless he claims.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Tar, I don't know what your support of the plan is, but if it's more persuasive than mine, help me out.
Seems null to me.
Okay.
I'm going to wait on something else to respond to this.
KK. I have a good feeling about 2½ players on his wagon (i.e. more than any other wagon) so he's the logical way to end the Day. My gut is only saying leaning town on him.
Sigh, I was really close to townreading you Generic and then you said this.
This is scummy as hell as well. It's like you and Generic are competing to say the worst thing.
This is a really stupid question because I've already given an answer in this thread to someone else who asked a stupid question that had the same answer to this question.
Just sayin'.
I think you're beating them both out by a fair margin.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Not seeing this
BTW, what was your interest in AE's read on me?
As for my interest in AE's read on you, he blamed his not doing anything on waiting for the replacements. Once you replaced in and posted, I asked him for his read on you because if his reason for not doing anything was legitimate, he would have been attempting to extract a read on you. Which he clearly hasn't, as he has you listed as null.
So...
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yes, and no one should answer until he does.
Hm...okay. There's an easy answer to the question of why a wagon is stalling, so I'm interested to hear what you're looking for if/when Tar answers you.
Okay.
I don't know what to think of AE yet. Last time I said I had him figured out he slipped by me as scum. I'm having trouble disassociating my read on him from my conflicting meta reads on him...I'm going to come back to this when there aren't more interesting players.
I'm starting to come around on you.
Still seeking a replacement for Eshnolat. Until I get her slot filled, prods and the deadline will be suspended.
FYI, I've played a good ten or so mafia games across a few different forums, and I've played various witch hunts about 3-4 times.