I'm back to believing one of them is scum. Tan still seems scummier, but they probably aren't buddies because of Tan's /barn+vote post, but Taredas keeps on pinging my scumdar in small ways.
iRebel: As I said in my post, I'm very good at reading players like him. Other people are confused by players like him, I haven't been since my first games.
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I think Generic is town. I feel confidence and direction in his posts, which was very much lacking in the game I just played where he was scum.
AE, on the other hand, is spending way more time defending with self-meta - even dredging up posts from his other games - and almost no time scumhunting. The explanation of his Taredas vote not as "Taredas is scum" but as "I got fed up". This is a straight OMGUS and is a scum approach. I still recommend people keep an eye on iRebel but AE is scummier right now.
Because he's scum! Scum AE tends to be more active early game than town AE, since he has the certainty of knowing the setup.
I was going to have you do your homework and prove this statement by showing town games that back this up, but I don't want to hold the town hostage waiting for you to do nothing.
Marvel Madness contradicts this. As does Star Wars.
So with that note unvote vote Taredas
So not town behavior. Spitting out only what suits his needs.
But joking aside, when players are assigned to be scum, there IS a relevant correlation between their post-count dropping below what it normally is, and espeically in a mini game, where each of us are in close quarters to one another, paying close attention to every player, and the scum can't simply bounce ideas off of others' initiatives and be reactive to keep their postcounts up. It's much more difficult for the scum to keep up appearances in a mini, because they have to seize the initiative themselves more often, which is difficult for them to do. So in a mini or other small game, the bottom sector of townie contributors is often a very important place to look. That correlation can sometimes become even more pronounced, when they're called out, and they start exhibiting avoidance of the thread. We're seeing that here, and I don't much care for it.
I like being scum more than town. Probably for the fact that I'm not good at analyzing/breaking down posts. As town I'm just unsure of everything so my posts lag. As scum I feel I have a better grasp on the game as I have more info/team.
I found the quote in question, so eat your own words.
(Though... I thought that the game you said that in was a *town* game - instead it's Cyan's Impossible A, where you were scum, so I suppose you have could just be lying then. Fits with what I remember of WWE/Showdown, though - and outside of the kpaca push you weren't really active early in A3.)
I think AE has posted more this game than he did in the entire Survival Horror game.
Taredas is clearly avoiding how I'm grinding his case against me to dust.
More votes please.
You're accusing me of "avoiding" you for missing one post that went up shortly before mine, on the Curse interface with its terrible preview function? Of course I didn't respond to your post, I didn't even *see* it until I had already posted (and haven't had time to address it since).
Which is important... because after thinking it over and looking at games again? Maybe I was wrong, and you're town after all.
Not because of anything you've said about your meta... but because you've counterattacked hard and consistently, in a way that's reminiscent of your defense in Redux Invit and your push on kpaca on D1 of Redux Mirror, and that counterattack has a sincerity and consistency that I'm not sure you can fake as scum (it's not how you defended in Cyan's A/Showdown/Magical Girls/WWE, certainly).
And because gut says at least one of the most recent attacks on you (Generic and KA - I think KA is more likely? but it can wait either way, see below) is scum piling onto a mislynch. (Not Tanarin - his posts feel like town who saw somebody else attack a person they were already going to attack.)
* - Corollary: I *hate* attacking townies I read easily as scum, since it's even harder for me to fake my tone when doing so - I tend to steer clear of them, as I did to you in both Drury and CT3.
Are you saying you'd be hiding from Iso and AE if you were scum?
No, I'm saying that I would likely be "townreading" them if I was scum and they were town (especially if Iso is town, as he tends to read my attacking tone fairly well - that's why I got lynched in Drury).
But, more importantly... why are you asking this question this way? Because this tone doesn't feel like it comes from someone who *cares* about figuring out my alignment - it feels like scum who think they see an opportunity to hop onto a Tar wagon and want to paint my words as scummy to justify that.
So Taredas, you jump off the AE case as it's losing steam. You answer my question by saying "no", but what you actually meant was just as much WIFOM "look I must be town" as what I originally asked. Then you throw mud at me because I had a "scum tone." I gave you a chance to explain yourself before jumping on your (popular) wagon in case I was reading too much into it -> must be scum!
And in what universe does antny's "case" merit more than a handwave? It was almost all about a tone he applied to my posts (just like half of your "case" is), and I replied to the one thing I could actually reply to. But that doesn't matter to you, you're just interested in joining a fresh wagon with some steam behind it.
I know who is scum between you and Tanarin now.
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This posts is screaming at me. The word I keep hearing is scum. Why? Well look at Generics posts stating me being scum, without the vote. Kami comes in and figures it's the perfect time to jump on the wagon thinking it will start gaining ground.
I think Generic is town. I feel confidence and direction in his posts, which was very much lacking in the game I just played where he was scum.
AE, on the other hand, is spending way more time defending with self-meta - even dredging up posts from his other games - and almost no time scumhunting. The explanation of his Taredas vote not as "Taredas is scum" but as "I got fed up". This is a straight OMGUS and is a scum approach. I still recommend people keep an eye on iRebel but AE is scummier right now.
unvote vote Archmage Eternal
How can I make this anymore clearer???? I'm not defending with self-meta. I'm showing that you can't meta me that way. That Tare was just showing isolated games, scum games, because he was not concerned with finding scum but with discrediting a townie.
I got fed up with his continued misrepn' and ignoring of my posts. I didn't want to switch my vote as Antny was playing the lurking game but enough is enough. Now we have your weak ass attempt at wagon hopping. *sigh* can the scum team be this bad? I have to reavaluate the game state.
/in, with the standard caveat that I am absent many weekends, and the next two weeks will likely be a little hectic especially.
I knew this week in particular was going to be crazy, but I had no idea. I'm not exactly V/LA, just *really* pressed for time until next Monday at the earliest.
Sorry guys, last week I took extra responsibilities in my work, which coupled with my sinusitis, delayed the whole thing. As a result, I'm unable to commit to Mafia for 2~3 weeks at the bare minimum until I adapt/catch up and it's not fair with you or Proph.
Resentfully I must ask for replacement, and you all know how little I replace out of the games I play. I'm sorry for having to replace out so soon and I hope you forgive me, especially Proph
I'll be back with a vengeance in late September/early October! Expect me
Sorry guys, last week I took extra responsibilities in my work, which coupled with my sinusitis, delayed the whole thing. As a result, I'm unable to commit to Mafia for 2~3 weeks at the bare minimum until I adapt/catch up and it's not fair with you or Proph.
Resentfully I must ask for replacement, and you all know how little I replace out of the games I play. I'm sorry for having to replace out so soon and I hope you forgive me, especially Proph
I'll be back with a vengeance in late September/early October! Expect me
I think some of variation of D1 GD is at least worth discussing further, since it looks like we're headed in the direction of a no-lynch (scum gets a free kill) or mislynch right now.
No Lynch is almost always a bad idea. Why do you think we're heading to a mislynch?
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Generally speaking I'll probably post something more substantive when I have something more substantive, but for the moment I really don't. Until more substantive evidence or tells show up, it may be best I leave the mind games to all the people who know each other much better than I do while watching for something everyone else may miss.
So why not, y'know, generate something from someone, instead of sitting on the sidelines, eating popcorn?
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Iso 84: My intention was not to provide a strong argument for lynching Generic, but to provoke both Generic and discussion in general. Perhaps that sets him up for more of a mislynch rather than a deserved lynch, according to some others and you, but I would prefer to try and find out rather than take someone's word for it.
Then...why are you voting him if you're not trying to lynch him? If all you're doing is voting him, that's not a great way to get Generic to do anything except vote you if he thinks you're scum. You keep saying Generic seems fishy to you, so why aren't you explaining why to us? Lead the discussion.
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If self-awareness is a barometer for scumminess, then this game of cat and also cat that Iso and Generic are playing is suspicious.
Innocent banter, or Iso x Generic providing an excellent cover for team scum? I would suspect as such from two people as seemingly clever as yourselves.
Curses, you have seen straight through our clever ruse!
In all seriousness, though, I'm an incredibly self-aware player, unless I'm angry or posting off-the-cuff. Manders (a former player here) once said that I'm probably more aware of anything I do in Mafia than anyone else is of their own actions. As much as I'll try to deny it vehemently when I've townslipped.
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How does Generic play when they're Scum, and how does Generic play when they're Town?
Generic's playstyle is largely based on his emotional state, much like my own. Generic's biggest scumtell is pushing a bull***** case just to appear aggressive.
Because he's scum! Scum AE tends to be more active early game than town AE, since he has the certainty of knowing the setup.
I was going to have you do your homework and prove this statement by showing town games that back this up, but I don't want to hold the town hostage waiting for you to do nothing.
Marvel Madness contradicts this. As does Star Wars.
So with that note unvote vote Taredas
So not town behavior. Spitting out only what suits his needs.
Of course I noticed. I'm keeping my cards to my chest for a bit longer. Baiting me isn't going to get me to bite sooner.
Since you're playing close to the chest, I think I'm going to play mostly open - because if you're town, that should help you understand the situation faster and if you're scum, that should let me know about that faster.
See, there are two people in this game that I am reasonably confident that I am able to read - confident enough that if I had a read contradicted by a Priest check, my first thought would be "Shenanigans". You are one of them, for reasons I will explain - or possibly remind you of, since I think I discussed this late in CT2 - after you've stopped playingclose to the chest. (AE is the other - he's more focused and more confident early as scum, and tends to reach out to other players more in the early game as town - which should tell you something.)*
But... so far this game, I *don't* have a good read on you yet. You've posted a bunch of short comments, but haven't gone fully into the attack yet. I'm leaning town at the moment, but that's almost entirely based on this post and your tone in 98, neither of which had been posted at the time - I could see post 84 come from any of three mindsets (which I will explain after you have revealed, though you should be able to get the general outlines of each), and wanted a better read on *which*.
If mindset 1 applies, then you're town and saying more at this time is counterproductive. (This mindset is the most likely one to respond to my with "I am leaving a note of this for later", which of course is why I left said smilie in the first place. I think it also fits slightly better with your response *here*, which is part of the reason I'm playing open.)
If mindset 2 applies, then you're misguided town and need to realize this ASAP (there's more to say here, but I think I should wait until you've revealed so that you can't play around it).
If mindset 3 applies, then you are scum and you are going to hang toDay.
The fastest and surest way to differentiate between mindsets 2 and 3 is to successfully bait you, and one potential response to that baiting would suggest mindset 1, so I probed. (Ideally I'd pull the same thing on you that I did on Cyan in A3, but if mindset 1 is in play that's going to give bad results, so no.)
* - Corollary: I *hate* attacking townies I read easily as scum, since it's even harder for me to fake my tone when doing so - I tend to steer clear of them, as I did to you in both Drury and CT3.
Noted.
So, as you're fully aware, my early votes tend to have several prongs and feelers attached to them - this is to stumble unsuspecting scum, bowl down weak scum, and see who's analyzing the game critically. When I first saw your AE case, it reminded me of the case you presented on Az in CT3 tonally - so I voted you to see what was up. There were disappointingly few reactions to it, and most people's responses could be summarily labeled as "derf wut? iso watr u duen". That said, the two most useful reactions garnered from my vote were AE's subsequent hop on your wagon, which has given me a leaning scum read on him, and Arch's questioning of my vote has put him in leaning town status. The vote was also a litmus test to gauge you, as well. Yes, I considered that your bus tone could read like your town tone - though I do admit that the only reason I ever thought you were scum in that game was because of Cyan's vote on you in that one spot that was an obvious bus. Unfortunately, I was also townreading Cyan, except for that vote. But that's neither here nor there. What I'm getting at is that I like your response above - it's a very thorough and transparent thought process and comes out with a level of detail I don't expect scumTare to be able to feign. So my vote was actually a combination of mindsets 1 and 2: The probe, to test you, and the sensor, to feel out the game state. If you are scum, then I'd wager it's with Arch - but given that your above post has pretty much assuaged all suspicion I may have of you for the game to come, that seems unlikely.
If this game was now filling with water and you had managed to fashion a lite fact in time, but you only had space to save two other players, who would you choose and why?
You and Tare, because you're both very probably town and if one of you isn't then we have a tricky endgame scenario - which, while stressful, is also fun. I'm relatively confident I can read you both in endgame; Tare, because he bumbles in places he's not thinking about as scum, and you, because we both play with very emotionally-based Mafia games.
Weakly justified vote, ignores the actual Antny question.
Aren't all votes early on weakly justified. And isn't this the reaction you'd expect off any player who doesn't know Generic anyway.
Speaking of which, Antny is being excessively defensive.
Excessively??? I don't think I've been defensive (at least by my standards) but even if you do I don't see how you can spin a couple of posts on the first page as excessive.
I think you missed the point. You have just voted for me and then provided a defense for the exact thing you are voting for me for.
Either you are telling me you are scum or you are being blindly hypocritical.
Another stretch, your trying to hard here to equate what Esch did to what you did, and I can't see how they are.
Iso, is this person your friend? If so can I get a little background on how experienced they are at mafia and how much common sense you would say they had in general life please.
And gees Generic did they not teach manners where your from? Why not just ask Eshnolat straight up for his experience? And the common sense question feels like an unnecessary dig.
I'm sorry no comment on the judge ruling on the day. I'm like the only person to comment on it.
Yet you still haven't espoused whether you think it's a good idea or not.
It's not a good idea. Sorry for not making that clearer but if the judge is not confirmed town then we are simply no lynching to provide a free mislynch to scum. And with no flips then we end up with no real information except for the fact that the judge and victim were not scum together. Hardly that useful in the scheme of things.
When you asked the question did you think there were advantages to let the judge decide or were looking to create discussion?
I send glares of annoyance in the direction of everyone who ignored my proposal. I want everyone to weigh in on the idea of--barring obv scumslips--discussing until the deadline expires and then letting the Judge decide the lynch (with "no lynch" not being an option). If you don't think it's a good idea, you need to say why not.
I'm trying to understand "pros" for the town here. The judge could be a witch correct? The town would not know who the judge is so... Well if the judge is scum then we could control how he handles his role. But first we'd have to find out who it is. If the judge is town is it crucial for the scum to find out who he is? I don't think so.
Cantrip, why do you want the judge to decide? Whats the benefit?
So hang on, you didn't like my reactions to the judge question but your opinions are much the mirror of mine.
If you were scum, who would you look at in the player list and earmark for the mislynch first? Just based on seeing the name, no posts having been made.
Probably Kami or Iso, assuming I wasn't scum with either of them.
I was gonna wait until after AE answered my question, but seeing as how Tare just made my case way better than I was going to via my question:
Vote Archmage Eternal
I would still like an answer to my question BTW, kthxbai.
Also, mind linking to said discussion in thread, Tare (Assuming no ongoing game stuff is mentioned of course.) Consider me intrigued on the Gravedigger D1 claim logic. If I can see said logic first hand, I may be convinced to support said idea.
Dislike this post so much. There seems no reason for town to suddenly to throw their vote on after Tare's like this, and everything around the vote is basically just awkward buddying.
I think I was a bit tired when I made that post. My thought process at the time was: AE is good mislynch target imo + Taredas makes bad case on AE = scum. I won't go into more detail until AE defends himself, but tone down my previous statement down to IGMEOY, as it relates to Taredas, at least.
Looks like KK is scum who already knows AE is town. I even think it's viable he could be scum with either Tan or Tare but I'd be getting ahead of myself.
OK, I like Tan's 63. Makes up a little for the previously quoted post.
I'm about, I just am waiting on antny to respond at present.
Yeah blame me for your lack of playing this game.
I am interested in the responses from Tan and Tar to your posts, but I think antny needs more pressure. If you remember archer mafia when put under pressure he pulled a disappearing act. So I think I'm on the right track here.
I didn't pull a disappearing act, I had real life trouble, and since you've played enough games with me as scum before you know full well that lurkiness is not something I do as a strategy. I apologize for my absense but I have life outside this forums and I won't have it held against me. Nor should it be used to excuse anyone else from playing the game.
You see this is what you should be doing instead of sitting on your hands waiting for everyone else.
I would avoid too many claims, but I think the fanatic should claim today. The priest can check them tonight and if a witch, we can lynch tomorrow, otherwise if the priest does not respond then we have a conftown with an extra life without outing any other power roles.
Iso, is your vote on Taredes based on experience playing with him or is there something I've missed?
Iso: I think the assumption that witches would like to lurk out the game if town gives them the opportunity is a safe one, especially considering the strict deadlines. I think it's more important than usual to light a fire under all lurkers' butts this game.
They why aren't you doing this?
In fact let's just
vote KoolKoal
here. I'm also leaning scum on Generic but I'm not too sure on anyone else right now beyond the odd weak townread.
Tanarin, #60: You’re right, I do know how you play. That’s exactly why I don’t like the way you said what you said.
Generic, #68: I was attacking you to gauge your reaction; your post felt similar to how you went after Zinger in Marvel 1, where you were scum. I would have expected scum!Generic to not relent like you did.
To answer your question, Tanarin because he jumped on it right out of the blue without bothering to hear any kind of response from AE.
#70, Kamikaze: I disagree that Antny was being “excessively” defensive. I don’t believe there’s a very strong way of responding to a self-aware charge that doesn’t read as defensive or, funny enough, self aware.
There is also no similarities between what I said and what Tanarin said.
Won’t be touching the AE Wagon at this point (as of AE’s reply to Tare)
Generic, #83: None.
I can’t make heads or tails of AE v. Tare — I could see arguments for it being town v. town or town v. scum. AE’s rebuttals of Tare’s case seem decent enough, but I’m not a fan of how it’s solely the basis of AE voting for him and trying to shepherd votes onto him. I’m not a fan of how Tare really isn’t replying to AE but continuing to push the case anyway. It’s just odd behaviour all around to me.
#116, Antny: Why does that post from Generic scream scum?
#117, KoolKoal: Jumpy much?
#129, KoolKoal: Why are you confident you can read Antny?
I'm back to believing one of them is scum. Tan still seems scummier, but they probably aren't buddies because of Tan's /barn+vote post, but Taredas keeps on pinging my scumdar in small ways.
iRebel: As I said in my post, I'm very good at reading players like him. Other people are confused by players like him, I haven't been since my first games.
I think Generic is town. I feel confidence and direction in his posts, which was very much lacking in the game I just played where he was scum.
AE, on the other hand, is spending way more time defending with self-meta - even dredging up posts from his other games - and almost no time scumhunting. The explanation of his Taredas vote not as "Taredas is scum" but as "I got fed up". This is a straight OMGUS and is a scum approach. I still recommend people keep an eye on iRebel but AE is scummier right now.
Because he's scum! Scum AE tends to be more active early game than town AE, since he has the certainty of knowing the setup.
I was going to have you do your homework and prove this statement by showing town games that back this up, but I don't want to hold the town hostage waiting for you to do nothing.
Marvel Madness contradicts this. As does Star Wars.
So with that note unvote vote Taredas
So not town behavior. Spitting out only what suits his needs.
But joking aside, when players are assigned to be scum, there IS a relevant correlation between their post-count dropping below what it normally is, and espeically in a mini game, where each of us are in close quarters to one another, paying close attention to every player, and the scum can't simply bounce ideas off of others' initiatives and be reactive to keep their postcounts up. It's much more difficult for the scum to keep up appearances in a mini, because they have to seize the initiative themselves more often, which is difficult for them to do. So in a mini or other small game, the bottom sector of townie contributors is often a very important place to look. That correlation can sometimes become even more pronounced, when they're called out, and they start exhibiting avoidance of the thread. We're seeing that here, and I don't much care for it.
I like being scum more than town. Probably for the fact that I'm not good at analyzing/breaking down posts. As town I'm just unsure of everything so my posts lag. As scum I feel I have a better grasp on the game as I have more info/team.
I found the quote in question, so eat your own words.
(Though... I thought that the game you said that in was a *town* game - instead it's Cyan's Impossible A, where you were scum, so I suppose you have could just be lying then. Fits with what I remember of WWE/Showdown, though - and outside of the kpaca push you weren't really active early in A3.)
I think AE has posted more this game than he did in the entire Survival Horror game.
Taredas is clearly avoiding how I'm grinding his case against me to dust.
More votes please.
You're accusing me of "avoiding" you for missing one post that went up shortly before mine, on the Curse interface with its terrible preview function? Of course I didn't respond to your post, I didn't even *see* it until I had already posted (and haven't had time to address it since).
Which is important... because after thinking it over and looking at games again? Maybe I was wrong, and you're town after all.
Not because of anything you've said about your meta... but because you've counterattacked hard and consistently, in a way that's reminiscent of your defense in Redux Invit and your push on kpaca on D1 of Redux Mirror, and that counterattack has a sincerity and consistency that I'm not sure you can fake as scum (it's not how you defended in Cyan's A/Showdown/Magical Girls/WWE, certainly).
And because gut says at least one of the most recent attacks on you (Generic and KA - I think KA is more likely? but it can wait either way, see below) is scum piling onto a mislynch. (Not Tanarin - his posts feel like town who saw somebody else attack a person they were already going to attack.)
Unvote
I seem to recall AE putting up an okay defense in Magical Girl, though you're welcome to correct me if you can find otherwise.
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No, I'm saying that I would likely be "townreading" them if I was scum and they were town (especially if Iso is town, as he tends to read my attacking tone fairly well - that's why I got lynched in Drury).
I'm pretty sure I lynched you in Drury because of your interactions with dead townies vs. your interactions with dead scumbuddies. I think it was more your actions than your tone.
So Taredas, you jump off the AE case as it's losing steam. You answer my question by saying "no", but what you actually meant was just as much WIFOM "look I must be town" as what I originally asked. Then you throw mud at me because I had a "scum tone." I gave you a chance to explain yourself before jumping on your (popular) wagon in case I was reading too much into it -> must be scum!
And in what universe does antny's "case" merit more than a handwave? It was almost all about a tone he applied to my posts (just like half of your "case" is), and I replied to the one thing I could actually reply to. But that doesn't matter to you, you're just interested in joining a fresh wagon with some steam behind it.
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#116, Antny: Why does that post from Generic scream scum?
The way he says he looking to see if I'm actually town sounds like he knows I'm town even though he claims otherwise.
As much as I agree with the Koal wagon (particularly after his reactions to pressure), I think we should slow down a little anyway to let Esh, Cantrip and Kosa's replacement catch up.
Pssst, antny. I thought you should know you are voting for koolkoal. You seem scared of a fast hammer yet haven't unvoted...
pssst, he's at L-3. That's a long way from quickhammer town.
Now is that because you want the credit for starting a wagon on scum? If you are bussing a buddy you need to be careful when trying to stop the wagons momentum.
Or for the reason I gave. Working out which should be easy for you since the explanation you give doesn't actually make sense.
Also, how much of a contradiction do you want to make?
Warning people to calm down on the koolkoal wagon, then brushing it off as 'only L-3'...
Except that's not a contradiction.
You can have your cake and eat it too, either you feel Kool is getting too close or he isn't close at all. And your vote staying holds him in that area.
Sigh, let me try to simplify it for you.
I am happy with the number of votes on KK.
I am happy with KK being the lynch toDay.
But I don't want him getting anymore votes while there's players with less than five posts in the game cause I would like to go into the night with something more than a null read on people.
Any part of that too complicated for you to understand Generic?
Had this been L-2 or even L-1 a d you pulled a vote and stated things needed to calm down then it would make a whole lot more sense. Otherwise what you said is merely trying to look pro town in your comment but not wanting to see the person you felt was scummy enough to vote for be put in claim range. And all so you can hear from two people?
You see your capable of working out what I'm saying but actually applying it in a logical fashion.
Interesting read of day 1 from upick. You weren't under any pressure allowing you to dictate the attacks and the pressure.
So no relevent meta then.
And good news for koolkoal if you are sc antny, he's less likely to be as you aren't a busser.
It would be good for KoolKoal except he already told you I was town a couple of pages back.
And you want koolkoal lynches but not to reach claim range until others have posted? Correct?
Finally he gets it.
Do you suspect eshnolat and cantrip of being scum?
I'm not sure, hence why I need to see more of them.
Or is kosa's slot one of the scum team?
I have no idea, hence why I would like some posts from the slot in order to get a read.
Cos with you claiming to be scum reading me why are you keen for players you can't be scum reading in theory to post BEFORE your biggest suspect is forced into the claim?
I don't get this. Why wouldn't it be possible for me to scumread any of those other players if I'm scumreading you?
It feels very empty what you are claiming about holding up kools wagon.
Well, I didn't do it to give you warm and fuzzy feelings did I?
Why you are protecting koolkoal from the claim when you aren't even scum reading the three people you need to hear from makes no sense. So break that one down for me.
Why do assume my actions are protecting him from the claim. The setup is open, with nearly all the roles available to town or witch. So if I was scum and Koal was my buddy why would I need to protect him from claiming.
And the meta seems very relevant. Under pressure you buckled as scum.
For the final time, no I did not. My personal life is my personal life. I don't bring it to the game because it is not relevent, to that game or this one. So just drop it before I get really pissed off please.
Under no pressure you attempted to dictate the game and gained the foothold you rode to victory. Here you are under pressure and you attempt to save koolkoal from the claim.1 And all based on this somehow affecting the posts of people you aren't even scum reading.2
1 how exactly are you linking this to my meta?
2 how am I affecting anyone's posting?
So as many times as you want to say I get it, I don't.
There is literally no way I can think of to explain it clearer. Either your intentionally refusing to see it, or your simply dumber than I thought.
I apologise to everyone, but I simply cannot make the necessary commitment to this game with the real life drama I'm dealing with -- and I have no idea how fast, or slow, it's going to subside. The only fair thing to do is replace, and that's what I am going to do instead of repeatedly getting prodded and or dodging prods.
Sorry to Proph and everyone.
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
You've been hanging in the background thus far and dropped nothing more than a /barn vote on me. I want you to prove you have a legitimate reason for doing so.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
@KK: IN post 137 you say the wagon on AE was losing steam. How did you reach this conclusion, as I am seeing the opposite. Kami voted for you 11 hours before that post, and Generic had made it clear that he believed he was scum (#125). That hardly reads of a wagon losing steam, but rather of one gaining steam. You then go and accuse Tare of attacking you for your tone to a post (Which I assume is his post #136.) My problem here is the fact that you did not give him a chance to answer. In fact you made your vote about 6 hours after he posted his vote, and the very next post to boot. I am just not seeing why you placed a vote on him.
Now you are going and trying to discredit Iso's vote on you because he is "hanging in the background." He may not be posting with much frequency, but he is posting content when he does post (Pretty similar to the way desCourse does when he plays.) I can see his reasoning for voting you, and I would be voting you now too, but I really want to give Kosa's and iRebel's replacements time to respond and at least start to catch up before ending the day.
You've been hanging in the background thus far and dropped nothing more than a /barn vote on me. I want you to prove you have a legitimate reason for doing so.
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@KK: IN post 137 you say the wagon on AE was losing steam. How did you reach this conclusion, as I am seeing the opposite. Kami voted for you 11 hours before that post, and Generic had made it clear that he believed he was scum (#125). That hardly reads of a wagon losing steam, but rather of one gaining steam. You then go and accuse Tare of attacking you for your tone to a post (Which I assume is his post #136.) My problem here is the fact that you did not give him a chance to answer. In fact you made your vote about 6 hours after he posted his vote, and the very next post to boot. I am just not seeing why you placed a vote on him.
Except Gen was happy keeping his vote on antny, but the point about Kamikaze's vote is fair. I still feel like AE was not in danger of being lynched. The case on him is/was weak, and imo so was Kamikaze's vote.
And I'd just given him a chance to answer a question, and he threw mud at me for it. It's not like I brought him to claim range, I don't see why I should have waited to vote him in this instance.
As for Iso, he most certainly is hanging in the background. A lot of his posts have been looking busy talking with and about Eshnolat. He's recently declared that his Taredas vote was smoke and mirrors. His only posts of substance are his back and forth with Generic. You say you can see his reasoning for voting me, but he hasn't actually given a specific reason, just pointed to a post and assigned words like "fake" to it. That isn't specific, and you're simply trusting he has the same reasons as you with no proof of it.
Iso: where?
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
As for Iso, he most certainly is hanging in the background. A lot of his posts have been looking busy talking with and about Eshnolat. He's recently declared that his Taredas vote was smoke and mirrors. His only posts of substance are his back and forth with Generic. You say you can see his reasoning for voting me, but he hasn't actually given a specific reason, just pointed to a post and assigned words like "fake" to it. That isn't specific, and you're simply trusting he has the same reasons as you with no proof of it.
Iso: where?
If you read my ENTIRE point to Taredas, you would know that my vote was not entirely smoke and mirrors - it was a litmus test, as well.
What's wrong with talking to/about Eshnolat to help a new player integrate into an unfamiliar environment and simultaneously attempt to glean a read off of said player?
My "only posts of substance" are certainly not just back-and-forthing with Generic, though yeah, I've engaged him a lot because:
A. I use my town reads as sounding boards
B. Generic is a friend, and I like playing with him
C. He's posted a lot.
But thanks for skewing the facts - you're making the case against yourself.
I don't have to answer to my scum reads.
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Suggestion: Whenever a player claims a role, since this is an open setup, how about in everyone's post after the claim, we confirm whether or not we are the claimed role? We don't have to do it in a particular order, as that would likely slow things down - just an "I'm counterclaiming X" or "I'm not counterclaiming X" at the beginning or end of your post will suffice, and it'll save us a lot of time and lynch effort if lying scum claim someone else's role. I think it'll be a good way to keep everyone's interest in the game relatively fresh, and stop any cryptic counterclaiming bull***** since 1 for 1 is always a good trade in a Mini.
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Iso, I think the chances of scum claiming a role other than what they actually have are as close to zero as you can get in a game of mafia. It *is* guaranteed to garner a counterclaim if the real role is still living (and by "is", I mean that if someone else claims your role and you don't say anything, you're not playing to win).
This question of yours feels like scum "helping". Why did you feel the need to propose this?
I just realized that this game is really going to challenge me, given that one of my strengths (imo) is interaction analysis based on alignment flips...
Counterclaims are generally worthwhile, but I don't see the point of explicit "I'm not counterclaiming". I guess it's fine so long as it doesn't distract from actual analysis.
@Cantrip: Because of the Gravedigger/no reveal (which, incidentally, I forgot until it was brought up recently)? I, for one, would be tempted to falseclaim as scum in this game if I felt I could get away with it.
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Only if the judge isn't considered a holy character, but I'm thinking Proph meant the priest and acolyte. And again isn't that important if we let the judge decide on the day. We no lynch and the judge decides it pretty much a free nk for the scum.
@Cantrip: Because of the Gravedigger/no reveal (which, incidentally, I forgot until it was brought up recently)? I, for one, would be tempted to falseclaim as scum in this game if I felt I could get away with it.
Soo....how, exactly, does implementing an explicit not-counterclaim policy help that? Why push for that over just saying "obviously, if someone claims your role, say so!"?
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Suggestion: Whenever a player claims a role, since this is an open setup, how about in everyone's post after the claim, we confirm whether or not we are the claimed role? We don't have to do it in a particular order, as that would likely slow things down - just an "I'm counterclaiming X" or "I'm not counterclaiming X" at the beginning or end of your post will suffice, and it'll save us a lot of time and lynch effort if lying scum claim someone else's role. I think it'll be a good way to keep everyone's interest in the game relatively fresh, and stop any cryptic counterclaiming bull***** since 1 for 1 is always a good trade in a Mini.
So first off, in an open setup like this, it should practically go without saying that you counterclaim immediately. Generic's caveat about the Acolyte counterclaiming a fake priest claim is the only exception I can think of. Second, you specifically asked people to identify that they are not counterclaiming. Why?
@Iso - I agree with the general consensus about counterclaiming, but really why bring this up. It should be pretty obvious to someone what to do when they see their role claimed right? Similarly if a role is claimed and no one ccs it then I think we can assume it was true without the need to have everyone stand and say not me. Out of interest what did you think the odds were of scum falseclaiming when you asked the question?
@TMCT - Of course the alignment of the judge is important when deciding whether to let a judge decide the lynch. Why would you think it's not?
I've read through the rest of the game; quick phone thoughts while I'm on lunch:
- @Antny, the alignment of the Judge is of no concern to me. I'm confident that letting the judge decide the lynch improves our chances.
- That said, Antny and Taredas' response to the plan is solidly town. Everyone else's I'm conflicted on.
- Taredas and Antny (after his first three posts) are solidly in the town camp. Tar's KK vote is maybe wrong, but his posts read squarely like town-analyst Tar.
- I have KK leaning town (KK is too smart to OMGUS Tar), with the (first?) scum vote on his wagon being...
- Generic. I've been scum with Generic before, and he loves to fake his well-known town abrasiveness. #31 is a scum-Generic post.
- Cantrip, you had such a lovely plan to waste on baiting -- stop attacking Iso's good (real) plan and get around to elaborating on your reaction baiting like you said you would.
- Iso's plan is indeed good.
I haven't forgotten my promise to review, this week is still the crazy week. Next week should be better. In the meantime, I'm going to pressure Iso on what really looks like him going out of his way to do nothing.
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KamikazeArchon and Cantripmancer have been prodded. Kosakosa has 24 hours to post or be replaced.
AE, on the other hand, is spending way more time defending with self-meta - even dredging up posts from his other games - and almost no time scumhunting. The explanation of his Taredas vote not as "Taredas is scum" but as "I got fed up". This is a straight OMGUS and is a scum approach. I still recommend people keep an eye on iRebel but AE is scummier right now.
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iRebel: Who do you think is scum, and why? I'm not getting that out of your summary posts, and that bothers me.
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I found the quote in question, so eat your own words.
(Though... I thought that the game you said that in was a *town* game - instead it's Cyan's Impossible A, where you were scum, so I suppose you have could just be lying then. Fits with what I remember of WWE/Showdown, though - and outside of the kpaca push you weren't really active early in A3.)
You're accusing me of "avoiding" you for missing one post that went up shortly before mine, on the Curse interface with its terrible preview function? Of course I didn't respond to your post, I didn't even *see* it until I had already posted (and haven't had time to address it since).
Which is important... because after thinking it over and looking at games again? Maybe I was wrong, and you're town after all.
Not because of anything you've said about your meta... but because you've counterattacked hard and consistently, in a way that's reminiscent of your defense in Redux Invit and your push on kpaca on D1 of Redux Mirror, and that counterattack has a sincerity and consistency that I'm not sure you can fake as scum (it's not how you defended in Cyan's A/Showdown/Magical Girls/WWE, certainly).
And because gut says at least one of the most recent attacks on you (Generic and KA - I think KA is more likely? but it can wait either way, see below) is scum piling onto a mislynch. (Not Tanarin - his posts feel like town who saw somebody else attack a person they were already going to attack.)
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No, I'm saying that I would likely be "townreading" them if I was scum and they were town (especially if Iso is town, as he tends to read my attacking tone fairly well - that's why I got lynched in Drury).
But, more importantly... why are you asking this question this way? Because this tone doesn't feel like it comes from someone who *cares* about figuring out my alignment - it feels like scum who think they see an opportunity to hop onto a Tar wagon and want to paint my words as scummy to justify that.
More importnantly: in what universe is handwaving an entire case away a *town* defense?
You're scum, get lynched.
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And in what universe does antny's "case" merit more than a handwave? It was almost all about a tone he applied to my posts (just like half of your "case" is), and I replied to the one thing I could actually reply to. But that doesn't matter to you, you're just interested in joining a fresh wagon with some steam behind it.
I know who is scum between you and Tanarin now.
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How can I make this anymore clearer???? I'm not defending with self-meta. I'm showing that you can't meta me that way. That Tare was just showing isolated games, scum games, because he was not concerned with finding scum but with discrediting a townie.
I got fed up with his continued misrepn' and ignoring of my posts. I didn't want to switch my vote as Antny was playing the lurking game but enough is enough. Now we have your weak ass attempt at wagon hopping. *sigh* can the scum team be this bad? I have to reavaluate the game state.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
FTR, yes, my proposal was a bad idea, and yes, I was gauging reactions off of it. I will get back to that when I have time.
I'm getting honest vibes from AE regarding meta, but that doesn't necessarily make him town.
I'm getting bad vibes from Kool's attack on Taredas.
I'm still getting good vibes from Generic.
Something feels off about iRebel.
I knew this week in particular was going to be crazy, but I had no idea. I'm not exactly V/LA, just *really* pressed for time until next Monday at the earliest.
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No Lynch is almost always a bad idea. Why do you think we're heading to a mislynch?
So why not, y'know, generate something from someone, instead of sitting on the sidelines, eating popcorn?
Then...why are you voting him if you're not trying to lynch him? If all you're doing is voting him, that's not a great way to get Generic to do anything except vote you if he thinks you're scum. You keep saying Generic seems fishy to you, so why aren't you explaining why to us? Lead the discussion.
Curses, you have seen straight through our clever ruse!
In all seriousness, though, I'm an incredibly self-aware player, unless I'm angry or posting off-the-cuff. Manders (a former player here) once said that I'm probably more aware of anything I do in Mafia than anyone else is of their own actions. As much as I'll try to deny it vehemently when I've townslipped.
Generic's playstyle is largely based on his emotional state, much like my own. Generic's biggest scumtell is pushing a bull***** case just to appear aggressive.
I'm pretty sure I succeeded in Werewolf 2 on Colo, no?
I think it's scummy, which is why I'm asking you why you're doing it.
This vote is garbage.
Noted.
So, as you're fully aware, my early votes tend to have several prongs and feelers attached to them - this is to stumble unsuspecting scum, bowl down weak scum, and see who's analyzing the game critically. When I first saw your AE case, it reminded me of the case you presented on Az in CT3 tonally - so I voted you to see what was up. There were disappointingly few reactions to it, and most people's responses could be summarily labeled as "derf wut? iso watr u duen". That said, the two most useful reactions garnered from my vote were AE's subsequent hop on your wagon, which has given me a leaning scum read on him, and Arch's questioning of my vote has put him in leaning town status. The vote was also a litmus test to gauge you, as well. Yes, I considered that your bus tone could read like your town tone - though I do admit that the only reason I ever thought you were scum in that game was because of Cyan's vote on you in that one spot that was an obvious bus. Unfortunately, I was also townreading Cyan, except for that vote.
On that note, Unvote.
Now talk to me.
You and Tare, because you're both very probably town and if one of you isn't then we have a tricky endgame scenario - which, while stressful, is also fun. I'm relatively confident I can read you both in endgame; Tare, because he bumbles in places he's not thinking about as scum, and you, because we both play with very emotionally-based Mafia games.
You're probably scum.
Why aren't you paying attention?
In what ways does Tare ping your scumdar?
This post is pretty solid.
I seem to recall AE putting up an okay defense in Magical Girl, though you're welcome to correct me if you can find otherwise.
I'm pretty sure I lynched you in Drury because of your interactions with dead townies vs. your interactions with dead scumbuddies. I think it was more your actions than your tone.
And you're probably Antny's scumbuddy.
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KoolKoal (4): Antny223, Taredas, Generic, Iso
Taredas (2): Archmage Eternal, KoolKoal
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Antny223 and Eshnolat have been prodded.
Seeking a replacement for Kosakosa. The deadline will be suspended until one is found.
Even now, it's less than 48 hours since my last post, why am I being prodded?
The way he says he looking to see if I'm actually town sounds like he knows I'm town even though he claims otherwise.
As much as I agree with the Koal wagon (particularly after his reactions to pressure), I think we should slow down a little anyway to let Esh, Cantrip and Kosa's replacement catch up.
pssst, he's at L-3. That's a long way from quickhammer town.
Or for the reason I gave. Working out which should be easy for you since the explanation you give doesn't actually make sense.
Threw what cards on the table exactly? And what pressure reaction are you talking about?
Except that's not a contradiction.
Sigh, let me try to simplify it for you.
I am happy with the number of votes on KK.
I am happy with KK being the lynch toDay.
But I don't want him getting anymore votes while there's players with less than five posts in the game cause I would like to go into the night with something more than a null read on people.
Any part of that too complicated for you to understand Generic?
You see your capable of working out what I'm saying but actually applying it in a logical fashion.
So no relevent meta then.
It would be good for KoolKoal except he already told you I was town a couple of pages back.
Finally he gets it.
I'm not sure, hence why I need to see more of them.
I have no idea, hence why I would like some posts from the slot in order to get a read.
I don't get this. Why wouldn't it be possible for me to scumread any of those other players if I'm scumreading you?
Well, I didn't do it to give you warm and fuzzy feelings did I?
Why do assume my actions are protecting him from the claim. The setup is open, with nearly all the roles available to town or witch. So if I was scum and Koal was my buddy why would I need to protect him from claiming.
For the final time, no I did not. My personal life is my personal life. I don't bring it to the game because it is not relevent, to that game or this one. So just drop it before I get really pissed off please.
1 how exactly are you linking this to my meta?
2 how am I affecting anyone's posting?
There is literally no way I can think of to explain it clearer. Either your intentionally refusing to see it, or your simply dumber than I thought.
I am not.
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You've been hanging in the background thus far and dropped nothing more than a /barn vote on me. I want you to prove you have a legitimate reason for doing so.
KoolKoal, why do you believe exactly one of Taredas and Tanarin is scum?
Now you are going and trying to discredit Iso's vote on you because he is "hanging in the background." He may not be posting with much frequency, but he is posting content when he does post (Pretty similar to the way desCourse does when he plays.) I can see his reasoning for voting you, and I would be voting you now too, but I really want to give Kosa's and iRebel's replacements time to respond and at least start to catch up before ending the day.
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That's cool.
Except I already did.
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And I'd just given him a chance to answer a question, and he threw mud at me for it. It's not like I brought him to claim range, I don't see why I should have waited to vote him in this instance.
As for Iso, he most certainly is hanging in the background. A lot of his posts have been looking busy talking with and about Eshnolat. He's recently declared that his Taredas vote was smoke and mirrors. His only posts of substance are his back and forth with Generic. You say you can see his reasoning for voting me, but he hasn't actually given a specific reason, just pointed to a post and assigned words like "fake" to it. That isn't specific, and you're simply trusting he has the same reasons as you with no proof of it.
Iso: where?
If you read my ENTIRE point to Taredas, you would know that my vote was not entirely smoke and mirrors - it was a litmus test, as well.
What's wrong with talking to/about Eshnolat to help a new player integrate into an unfamiliar environment and simultaneously attempt to glean a read off of said player?
My "only posts of substance" are certainly not just back-and-forthing with Generic, though yeah, I've engaged him a lot because:
A. I use my town reads as sounding boards
B. Generic is a friend, and I like playing with him
C. He's posted a lot.
But thanks for skewing the facts - you're making the case against yourself.
I don't have to answer to my scum reads.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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KoolKoal (4): Antny223, Taredas, Generic, Iso
Taredas (2): Archmage Eternal, KoolKoal
Archmage Eternal (2): Tanarin, KamikazeArchon
Tanarin (1): iRebel
Iso (1): Kosakosa
Generic (1): Eshnolat
Abstain (1): Cantripmancer
Still seeking a replacement for Kosakosa. The deadline and prods will be suspended until one is found.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This question of yours feels like scum "helping". Why did you feel the need to propose this?
iRebel asked for replacement as of post #166, is this no longer the case or was this just not noticed?
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I am sorry everyone. :C
I do find this really interesting, but I have overcommitted myself by thinking I would have the time to play this with everything else going on.
I'll still be speculating this game at least, and may come back for another some other time when I am sure I will be able to be an active participant.
@Cantrip: Because of the Gravedigger/no reveal (which, incidentally, I forgot until it was brought up recently)? I, for one, would be tempted to falseclaim as scum in this game if I felt I could get away with it.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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Tanarin (1): iRebel
Iso (1): Kosakosa
Generic (1): Eshnolat
Abstain (1): Cantripmancer
Effective immediately, The Most Curious Thing replaces Kosakosa.
Still seeking replacements for iRebel and Eshnolat. Until those slots get filled, the deadline and prods will be suspended.
I'm on board with this.
This is a good plan because Salem is filled to the brim with those sorts but also a bad plan for the same reasons.
(Good town, Salem.)
Explain your dissent instead of just spouting off plainly visible rules, please.
No it's not important Antny.
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Whoops, I have work. Okay, more later.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So first off, in an open setup like this, it should practically go without saying that you counterclaim immediately. Generic's caveat about the Acolyte counterclaiming a fake priest claim is the only exception I can think of. Second, you specifically asked people to identify that they are not counterclaiming. Why?
@TMCT - Of course the alignment of the judge is important when deciding whether to let a judge decide the lynch. Why would you think it's not?
- @Antny, the alignment of the Judge is of no concern to me. I'm confident that letting the judge decide the lynch improves our chances.
- That said, Antny and Taredas' response to the plan is solidly town. Everyone else's I'm conflicted on.
- Taredas and Antny (after his first three posts) are solidly in the town camp. Tar's KK vote is maybe wrong, but his posts read squarely like town-analyst Tar.
- I have KK leaning town (KK is too smart to OMGUS Tar), with the (first?) scum vote on his wagon being...
- Generic. I've been scum with Generic before, and he loves to fake his well-known town abrasiveness. #31 is a scum-Generic post.
- Cantrip, you had such a lovely plan to waste on baiting
- Iso's plan is indeed good.
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Lucy, you got some 'splainin to do.
I haven't forgotten my promise to review, this week is still the crazy week. Next week should be better. In the meantime, I'm going to pressure Iso on what really looks like him going out of his way to do nothing.
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is appropriate.
Points to whomever can correctly tell me why.