MTG Salvation

This is a Clan Contest game of Mafia for 7 players.

The host for this game is Iso (that's me!).
The co-host for this game is Rhand.
Please include Rhand in all PMs that you send me.

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"What is Mafia"?

If you don't know what Mafia is, you'd best get started reading!

To get the gist of what's going on, here is the link to the last Clan Contest Mafia (CCMVII).

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Here are the rules for this game:

*No post editing. If you have something else to say, post again. I will be modkilling for this offense.
*Every clan, instead of the traditional representative, will be allowed a hydra account from which to post. These accounts will be made by an Administrator and will be given to the clan players privately.
*All posts must be signed by the player making the post. If you forget to sign, make a double post. Each hydra will receive 3 warnings for not signing posts (this does not include any instance in which a double post was made to sign). After the 3rd, your hydra will be modkilled and your clan will be removed from the contest.
*Do not communicate with other players not sharing your clan hydra account outside of the game. If you are to communicate with another player, I have provided you the means in which to do so in your role PM. I will be modkilling for this offense.
*Do not discuss on-going games within this game.
*Do not discuss this game with other people aside from whom it has been designated you may communicate with, especially not in a publicly viewable area.
*If you are not a player in the game, do not post in the game thread. If you accidentally post from your main account, please make a double post signing which clan you are from so that any confusion can be averted.
*Make your vote and unvotes bolded and, if you can, in blue so that I may find them more easily.
*Town is blue.
*Mafia is red.
*There are no Neutrals in this game.
*There are no hidden win conditions in this game. Win conditions will not be listed in Role PMs.
*This game consists of 5 Town and 2 Mafia. This game is not overly complex so as to be more beginner-friendly, though it is also not exactly of Basic-complexity, either.
*The Town's win condition is: Defeat the rebelling Homunculi.
*The Mafia's win condition is: Equal or outnumber the other Homunculi.
*Please do not "Thank" any posts.
*Be courteous to other players while you're killing them.
*Stay within the rules of the forum, have fun, blah blah, etc.

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If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Otherwise, anchors aweigh! I will not be answering role-related questions in the thread. If you have a question, please PM me first on the matter. Remember to please include Rhand on all PMs to the game mod.

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Father. The figure known as Father spawned the Homunculi, each a representation of some facet of his own terrible being.

Lust.
Pride.
Sloth.
Wrath.
Envy.
Gluttony.
Greed.


Father summoned you all to his chamber for a reason. But what? What could he possibly want you all here for? Unless...

"My children. I have asked your presence, as I have some very disconcerting news."

"What is it, Father? Tell us."

"I regret to say that there are traitors in your midst. You think I don't know my own children?!? Insolence. I will allow you all to prove your worth to me and weed out the traitors, who will then return to me for...re-purposing.

Begin."

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IN:

1. The Family (Sloth, Mafia Goon) - Endgamed
2. Gaymers (Lust, Town Vanilla) - Endgamed
6. [Spirit of EDH] (Gluttony, Town Vanilla) - Endgamed

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DEAD:

7. The Tolarian Academy - Envy, Town Vanilla (Lynched Day 1)
3. [The Crafters] - Greed, Town Tracker (Killed Night 1)
4. Clan Flamingo - Pride, Mafia Ninja (Lynched Day 2)
5. MTGS Brigade - Wrath, Town Watcher (Killed Night 2)

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The game will begin when all clans have confirmed in-thread. Role PMs and hydra account information are being sent to QTs.

/confirm

~scarbo

/confirm

Requesting avatars to tell the hydras apart.

Also is this Fullmetal Alchemist flavor because I didn't realize that during signups.

~Wheat_Grinder

What the hell is wrong with our sig

Is anyone else seeing a bunch of links including one which is probably a bannable (or at least warnable) offense in our sig

~Wheat_Grinder

/confirm

Though given the time this game started, I'm going to be V/LA until after tomorrow because of an exam.

- Teia

/confirm

-p(rophylaxis)

Quote from The Crafters CCM Hydra »

Requesting avatars to tell the hydras apart.

All clans may select their own avatars (within the rules of the site, of course) for the Hydras.

Quote from from="The Crafters CCM Hydra »

Also is this Fullmetal Alchemist flavor because I didn't realize that during signups.

Yes.

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Waiting on EDH, and...we might have some difficulty finding anyone willing to play with The Family's hydra. Will keep you guys updated.

Quote from The Crafters CCM Hydra »

Requesting avatars to tell the hydras apart.

All clans may select their own avatars (within the rules of the site, of course) for the Hydras.

Quote from from="The Crafters CCM Hydra »

Also is this Fullmetal Alchemist flavor because I didn't realize that during signups.

Yes.

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Waiting on EDH, and...we might have some difficulty finding anyone willing to play with The Family's hydra. Will keep you guys updated.

Kraj, I hope you like Freddie Mercury. If you don't, you should.

~scarbo

(P.S. I may accidentally sign as swishh. I've had to correct myself twice. Just know we're the same homo.)

Hint: use a different browser for playing on the hydra account. It helps. (Also on the phone)

If that was @me, I meant sign off on my post as swishh instead of scarbo. I changed my name with the site conversion but it still hasn't really sunk in.

Can we start voting yet?

~scarbo

The two browsers idea makes this way easier. Thanks for the tip!

- Wheat

/confirm

Yeah, after some initial trouble, [Spirit of EDH] is also ready to go!

~Bur

Game on.

It is now Day 1. With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

*oh snap* First in, biznatches!

Vote: Tolarian Academy, cuz I played standard during Combo Winter and I'm still getting over the trauma.

- Kraj-alicious

Just Checking in, sorry to be late to the party.

~Human

Vote: Gaymers

When was the last time I played with Kraj? He's gotta be a figment of my imagination -> scum.

Goddammit.

That was me,

- Wheat

Votecount 1.00

The Tolarian Academy [1]: Gaymers (18)
Gaymers [2]: The Family (19), [The Crafters] (21)

Not voting [4]: Clan Flamingo, MTGS Brigade, [Spirit of EDH], The Tolarian Academy

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

"You can't change reality, just your perception!"

Please inform me when you see any votecount errors.
Unvoting isn't mandatory but appreciated.

Vote Flamingo

Flamingos are pink and pink is only one letter off pinko.

- Teia

Voting MTGS Brigade because my inability to look up brigade makes me think it's a mobster term.

~Human

Who wants to mass softclaim names?

-Wheat

The plot thickens, can you explain softclaiming our names? I'm new and unfamiliar with this concept.

~Human

I'm interested in hearing this explanation, too. I'm honestly unsure how that could help.

- Teia

There's not actually a good reason to massclaim names, or if there is I don't know it; I asked it because there wasn't a good post to jump on to start the game, and asking that question always makes one.

Quote from MTGS Brigade CCM Hydra »

I'm interested in hearing this explanation, too. I'm honestly unsure how that could help.

- Teia

Unvote, Vote: MTGS Brigade

Like this one, for example.

^Wheat

when I forget to put it in the post and put it in the next one instead does that count against my "forgetting to sign off" limit? Because I'm in trouble if it counts.

-Wheat

Do you find it scummy, Polski?

-Wheat

And how do you feel about Brigade being scum, while I'm at it?

-Wheat

Unvoting MTGSBrigade

Also, can we get an updated list of votes soon? Tallying on all this voting/unvoting is annoying.

~Bur

Unvote, Vote: EDH

Crafters suggestion and explanation are good. TA's reaction is good. Brigade's is not. EDH's, though, is non-existant. But thank goodness Bur asked for an updated post count. Very "Helpful Townie".

@gen: you were "amused" that H_H took issue with the claim suggestion. But did you find it suspicious?

-Kraj

My opinions?
First of all, I find it really interesting that Crafters decided to open the discussion with softclaiming roles instead of many other ways to open the game. While their explanation afterwards was solid, they still gave me vibes...

Regarding Brigade: I still haven't made up my mind regarding them. I would like to hear more about them, before I decide anything regarding them.

Like it was said, I would like to hear ANYTHING from Flamingos. They have only one post ("confirm") and while they might have issues with their real life, I'm kind of starting to think they are just lurking.

And if it's not too much asked, I'd kindly request everyone to have some kind of avatar/signature. I keep mixing up Tolarian Academy and Family for this reason.

~Bur

Quote from Spirit of EDH CCM Hydra »

Unvoting MTGSBrigade

Also, can we get an updated list of votes soon? Tallying on all this voting/unvoting is annoying.

~Bur

Who do you think is scummy right now?

Quote from Gaymers CCM Hydra »

Unvote, Vote: EDH

Crafters suggestion and explanation are good. TA's reaction is good. Brigade's is not. EDH's, though, is non-existant. But thank goodness Bur asked for an updated post count. Very "Helpful Townie".

@gen: you were "amused" that H_H took issue with the claim suggestion. But did you find it suspicious?

-Kraj

Can you explain why you think Bur was trying to be a "helpful townie"? I know what you mean by the phrase, you don't have to explain that part of it, only the why.

-Wheat

The ones I'm doubting the most is The Family. Why? Part gut feeling and part because I can't make heads or tails out out of them or their arguments.

~Bur

generic get an avatar please

-wheat

First off: Unvote

Also apparently I can't post links until 5 posts.

Quote from The Crafters CCM Hydra » »

Unvote, Vote: MTGS Brigade

Like this one, for example.

Reasons?

Quote from The Family CCM Hydra » »

Seriously? My obvious breadcrumb was seen as a refusal? Lol

And did you seriously ask why I was so aggressive? I am signing these posts arent I?

If you feel my pressure is unwarranted, why such a soft push back? I'm accusing you of being scum for a few things, you appear to have not addressed a single one of them. Has H_H been put on the naughty step for the slip?

~ Gen

Dat defensiveness.

Quote from Spirit of EDH CCM Hydra » »

My opinions?
First of all, I find it really interesting that Crafters decided to open the discussion with softclaiming roles instead of many other ways to open the game. While their explanation afterwards was solid, they still gave me vibes...

It was names, not roles. The difference is the first one doesn't really help, while the second can be used to narrow down the scum.

Quote from The Family CCM Hydra » »

Them? I think you mean 'him'.

Cos I'm all on my own, I wasn't even ready to take on another game, but Iso asked for a volunteer and nobody else bothered to respond. So you are stick with me. Miserable as **** and ready to take it out on you lot.

And the best part is I have nobody else talking to me in the family hydra chat. Not one.

And if I'm the only one who understand the basic concepts of scum hunting like 'players trying to link other players on day 1' or 'ignoring the argument to push suspicion back on the accuser' then no wonder simply handwaving it away as ' shoddy' worked.

~ gen

Dat defensiveness.

Anyway, Family has been largely defensive and aggressive. He's whining about being "miserable as **** and ready to take on you lot," telling people "never to bull***** a bull*****ter," etc. That signal to noise ratio is impressively high. I still don't know what his reads really are. He's there, he's taking up space, but he's not really doing anything useful. In fact, Gen, what exactly was it you intended to accomplish with that little rant post of yours? Were you trying to fish for sympathy? Were you hoping people would take you at face value? I just don't get it.

Despite the push on me, I think Crafters is acting pretty townie right now. He's engaging people in asking actual questions. Only things I'm left wondering are this: What's your other scum read? And are either Academy or EDH also scummy for asking for an explanation?

Academy: So what are your reads, anyway? You're certainly unsure of yourself, but are there any reads at all you can commit to? You have "no idea" what The Family is, you can't say whether you think I'm town or not, and you don't really have any opinions on anyone else.

EDH doesn't really have a whole lot going for him post-RVS, and I'm not a fan of 44 like Gaymers are. "Interesting" is one of those weasel words that makes it sound like you're giving thought to something, when you might not actually be. How was Crafters' mass softclaim idea interesting? What gives you pause about their gameplay after that?

I'll need more from Gaymers and Flamingo before I can really comment on them.

Family is my strongest scum read right now, then Academy.

*****.

- Teia

Votecount 1.02

The Tolarian Academy [1]: The Family (35)
MTGS Brigade [1]: [The Crafters] (37)
[Spirit of EDH] [1]: Gaymers (45)

Not voting [4]: Clan Flamingo, The Tolarian Academy (40), [Spirit of EDH] (44), MTGS Brigade (55)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

"How could anyone say humans aren't weak? It's an inherent trait."

Please inform me when you see any votecount errors.

I'm protecting Academy by saying they're one of my scum reads?

As far as why I'm saying your reads are unclear, there's so much anger in your posts that it's hard to follow what's supposed to be actual scumhunting and what's just you blowing up at people. There's applying pressure, and there's snapping at people because of a bad emotional state. If you're going through a rough patch in real life, then I really do sympathize, but what you're doing isn't helping at all. I'll rephrase my above questions: How is what you're doing helping us? Where's the town motivation in snapping at people constantly?

- Teia

Keep to the hydra accounts, and keep the flaming to a nonexistent state. This is your only warning.

@Generic: I'm not going to put up with you defending being a dick with RL issues this game. You went into this game knowing full well that you had the RL issues in advance, but you still decided to play mafia even though you knew you were going to be in a poor state of mind for it. I'm never one to judge for RL issues when they occur midgame, but going into a game with it? No, I'm not accepting that.

If you're going to play this game, fine, but I'm not going to take the ***** you're wanting to dump if that's the excuse. Bully the Family a bit and get someone else to play for the clan if your RL situation is a hindrance.

That said,

@Everyone: I'm very certain Generic is town. Read a Generic game, the things you're pinning him as scum for are, in fact, Generic's natural tendencies as any alignment. I say this because I don't want the game to get tied up at Generic's feet rather than actual scum.

Quote from Spirit of EDH CCM Hydra »

The ones I'm doubting the most is The Family. Why? Part gut feeling and part because I can't make heads or tails out out of them or their arguments.

~Bur

So confusing = scum?

Quote from MTGS Brigade CCM Hydra »

Quote from The Crafters CCM Hydra » »

Unvote, Vote: MTGS Brigade

Like this one, for example.

Reasons?

Because your phrasing was weaselly (specifically the use of the word honestly).

Anyway, Family has been largely defensive and aggressive. He's whining about being "miserable as **** and ready to take on you lot," telling people "never to bull***** a bull*****ter," etc. That signal to noise ratio is impressively high. I still don't know what his reads really are. He's there, he's taking up space, but he's not really doing anything useful. In fact, Gen, what exactly was it you intended to accomplish with that little rant post of yours? Were you trying to fish for sympathy? Were you hoping people would take you at face value? I just don't get it.

Have you ever played with Generic before?

Despite the push on me, I think Crafters is acting pretty townie right now. He's engaging people in asking actual questions. Only things I'm left wondering are this: What's your other scum read? And are either Academy or EDH also scummy for asking for an explanation?

Academy and EDH are the other two I'm looking at for scum. Despite that, neither of their posts looking for an explanation from me were inherently scummy.

Regardless, you're actually being clear about reasoning which is more than I can say about most.

Time to stir over the rest of the pile.

Unvote, Vote: EDH

oh come on i thought i was on firefox

dammit

-wheat

and i did it right after iso's warning to, apparently

great

-wheat

Only. Warning.

Quote from MTGS Brigade CCM Hydra »

Dat defensiveness.

Anyway, Family has been largely defensive and aggressive. He's whining about being "miserable as **** and ready to take on you lot," telling people "never to bull***** a bull*****ter," etc. That signal to noise ratio is impressively high. I still don't know what his reads really are. He's there, he's taking up space, but he's not really doing anything useful. In fact, Gen, what exactly was it you intended to accomplish with that little rant post of yours? Were you trying to fish for sympathy? Were you hoping people would take you at face value? I just don't get it.

Despite the push on me, I think Crafters is acting pretty townie right now. He's engaging people in asking actual questions. Only things I'm left wondering are this: What's your other scum read? And are either Academy or EDH also scummy for asking for an explanation?

Academy: So what are your reads, anyway? You're certainly unsure of yourself, but are there any reads at all you can commit to? You have "no idea" what The Family is, you can't say whether you think I'm town or not, and you don't really have any opinions on anyone else.

EDH doesn't really have a whole lot going for him post-RVS, and I'm not a fan of 44 like Gaymers are. "Interesting" is one of those weasel words that makes it sound like you're giving thought to something, when you might not actually be. How was Crafters' mass softclaim idea interesting? What gives you pause about their gameplay after that?

I'll need more from Gaymers and Flamingo before I can really comment on them.

Family is my strongest scum read right now, then Academy.

I will not attempt to respond to bur on the question as to why he said it seemed "interesting." However, I will discuss the accusation on Family of being scum. While being blatantly aggressive, I have to wonder if scum would be so open about their colors. The tells are there, but if he were scum would he make it so obvious so early? I don't think so. I think it's possible he is indeed an irate player that had his hand forced into a game and is a bit salty about it. However, I don't find it scummy, to be forced into a situation and then left alone to defend yourself is a hard position to be in. Sure he's being loud and letting off a lot of noise but I find it justified. Not particularly pleasant, however, I don't find it scummy in the least.



As for Crafter's voting for us I'd like to see some reasoning behind it. You claim that our asking for reasoning wasn't scummy, however, you still chose to vote for us. I will argue that while Bur's feeling of who might be scum wasn't particularly well detailed it also shouldn't be considered scummy at this point in game. We are only on page three so while there has been a little bit of discourse it is still hard to pinpoint who falls where in the scum/town spectrum. I would argue that at the moment it is justifiable to have to rely on a bit of your gut, at least until there have been more posts.

I too am looking to hear from Clan Flamingo, but I think that the issues at hand are enough to start conversation. I don't find there to be any reason to jump to conclusions this early when we're all fishing for any possible hints. I personally will not make an all in decision until more information presents itself.

~Human

I can't say anything about Generic's play style, since I haven't played with him. To be honest, I haven't played mafia ever over the internet. I'm playing this game based on my real life experience, so some of my logic might not apply here even though it applies at my meta.

Like Wheat asked from my if "confusing = scum?", it has worked in real life in my experience.

And anyways, here's my opinions regarding everybody:

Flamingo: ??? (Possibly lurking -> scum?)
MTGBrigade: Confused, not really experiensed at mafia and therefore playing bit poorly.
Crafters: Clear about everything and has opinions, not afraid to voice them. Calm and collected, knows what they are doing. Least likely scum IMO.
Gaymers: ... not much to be said. Seems to be the type to jump bandwagons, probably town. Would like to hear more of him.
Tolarian Academy: I'd like to hear more of him. Seems a bit wary of others and he comes across to me as either unexperienced town or good mafia player.
The Family: Seems like an usual case of aggresive-mafia -playstyle. However, if he really is as experienced as you claim, I doubt he'd pull that playstyle so poorly. Besides, he apparently has RL-issues, so...

But, I'd like to everyone to tell if you guys have any experience with mafia. That'd help me analyse things a bit more.

Oh, and I'll come clear about these things: 1) I'm not native speaker. Most of the time if I say "I don't understand" I don't mean the logic, but I the phrase/euphenism makes no sense to me (and internet is not helpful most of the times).
2)I don't play this game by logic. I play this game based on my gut. And I suck at logical stuff. However, I'm better at reading people by their gestures, tone of voice and such things (which I can not use in internet-mafia, sadly).

Oh, and I'd like to check something. Please say, who do you think is the LEAST likely mafia.

~Bur

Quote from Spirit of EDH CCM Hydra »

I will not attempt to respond to bur on the question as to why he said it seemed "interesting." However, I will discuss the accusation on Family of being scum. While being blatantly aggressive, I have to wonder if scum would be so open about their colors. The tells are there, but if he were scum would he make it so obvious so early? I don't think so. I think it's possible he is indeed an irate player that had his hand forced into a game and is a bit salty about it. However, I don't find it scummy, to be forced into a situation and then left alone to defend yourself is a hard position to be in. Sure he's being loud and letting off a lot of noise but I find it justified. Not particularly pleasant, however, I don't find it scummy in the least.

As for Crafter's voting for us I'd like to see some reasoning behind it. You claim that our asking for reasoning wasn't scummy, however, you still chose to vote for us. I will argue that while Bur's feeling of who might be scum wasn't particularly well detailed it also shouldn't be considered scummy at this point in game. We are only on page three so while there has been a little bit of discourse it is still hard to pinpoint who falls where in the scum/town spectrum. I would argue that at the moment it is justifiable to have to rely on a bit of your gut, at least until there have been more posts.

I too am looking to hear from Clan Flamingo, but I think that the issues at hand are enough to start conversation. I don't find there to be any reason to jump to conclusions this early when we're all fishing for any possible hints. I personally will not make an all in decision until more information presents itself.

~Human

I stated your reasoning in that singular instance was not scummy, first off, not that you weren't scummy overall.

As far as why you are scum: I wasn't sure myself when I made the vote. That's why I pointed it at you without explaining it.

The one that made me start wondering was:

First of all, I find it really interesting that Crafters decided to open the discussion with softclaiming roles instead of many other ways to open the game. While their explanation afterwards was solid, they still gave me vibes...

Why is it interesting, what are the other ways to open the game, what sort of vibes are being had?

The other post was his post #52 which said he felt Family was scum but had no real reasoning, and more importantly for his alignment, showed no real inclination to come up with any reasoning or ask questions which would lead to such reasoning.

The post I quoted at the very start of this post (post 67) is what seals it for me. It reads of being choosy about what is being said, carefully constructed so as not to read out of the ordinary. That's a scum mindset more than a town mindset, as town don't really care what they look like so much because they're more focused on finding the scum.

In addition, there's a lot of prose about not jumping to conclusions while fishing for clues, but I don't see much fishing being done in all that.

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Current reads:

Family: Strongest town read
Gaymers: Moderate town read, I need more to be certain though because Kraj is a veteran player.

Flamingo: Needs to post pretty badly. Where are ya, Proph? Or Meg? I hope Meg shows up, I like Meg.

Tolarian Academy: Mild scum-read but I've misread Polski in the past. Need to hear more.
Brigade: If truly scum, I will catch him/her (can't remember Teia's gender) eventually because s/he is putting out posts.
EDH: Scum, as I laid out in this post.

- Wheat

Why is it interesting, what are the other ways to open the game, what sort of vibes are being had?

1) Since I first misread is as "softclaiming roles" not "softclaim names".
2) My favourite one is to claim mafia and see how people react to it.
3) I felt you were being scummy (before my misunderstanding was cleared).

Anyways, I'd still ask you: Who do you think is the LEAST scummy person around here. Crafters answered and they helped me a lot, I thank for that.


~Bur

I ask you: Why are you interested in knowing who is wildly considered town? What sort of help have I inadvertently given you?

-Wheat

Quote from The Tolarian Academy CCM Hydra »

Quote from MTGS Brigade CCM Hydra »

Academy: So what are your reads, anyway? You're certainly unsure of yourself, but are there any reads at all you can commit to? You have "no idea" what The Family is, you can't say whether you think I'm town or not, and you don't really have any opinions on anyone else.

Your barnacle to start things off is one of my thoughts, I can tell you that. As to my opinions, opinions were hard to come by before recently.
"Dat defensiveness"? You then question what gen's emotional state is, then you admit you know why he's getting like that. Come on, what were you really prodding him for? Family is your scummiest read? Apparently lurking and weaselling are a-okay by you. You think you look like you're paying attention but your post 61 is as void as gen's post 58. What's the actual reason you addressed him?

Lurking and weaselling I don't like. Flamingo, post an opinion. Spirit of EDH, why do you defend Family in post #67? Why do you want to tell us how to play?

Quote from Spirit of EDH CCM Hydra »

I too am looking to hear from Clan Flamingo, but I think that the issues at hand are enough to start conversation.

Why this astronomical degree of doublespeak? Why emphasize you "too"?
What is the purpose of talking about who is Town-like?

Gaymers, is Brigade now better- or worse-looking than Spirit of EDH?

~H_H

My defense of family is simply my read on the matter, I'm not attempting to tell you how to play. I am giving you the logic behind my decision that his actions weren't particularly scummy to me. Do you disagree with my assumptions? Are there any reasons why you do that would help me get a better read on family at the moment? If so I want to hear them so I can better play this game.

That's simply how I speak, whether in game or in life. I assure you I have no hidden motives, however, I am new to this game. This may cause me to act abnormally to what is considered town-like. This is due to my lack of experience with the game. I realize now that trying to be impartial and deduce things for myself makes me look more scummy than town, I wasn't aware that it was unnatural. I was also unaware that it is common to be aggressive in fact seeking. I'm not an aggressive person, I like to analyze things from a distance but I realize that won't work here now. Instead, I'm drawing suspicion that while may seem warranted if I were an advanced or veteran player. However, I am new to this and assume that this would be a blunder of new towns trying to dip their toes in the water.

Saying that, I will respond to your assertion of doublespeak. I just wanted to point out that I am also interested in the silence of Clan Flamingo. I continued to say that we have enough to start conversation, this was just an observation. I realize now this statement was unneeded since people are indeed responding, thus it is obvious that conversation will take place.

As for talking about who is town-like, I feel that in order for me to properly deduce town from scum I have to take every bit of information, scummy or townish as important. I voice my opinions on town behavior because I feel it will be beneficial when time comes to lynch. Even if you do not find the information valuable someone else might.

My current reads are as follows:

Family: Leaning town on this one. Him being a veteran would lead me to believe that he wouldn't act blatantly aggressive. Family knows this would draw attention to them and I don't believe scum would do that so early.

Crafters: Most notably the strongest town player in the game currently. Wheat asks the questions people want answers to and is confident in his answers. I do want to ask the reason for your phrasing when refering to brigade "If truly scum" you will catch them. If you have an inkling that they are possibly scum why not say it? You say you will know sooner or later because they post often, however, if they're good scum couldn't they be participating as a ruse?


Flamingo: Without any posts I can't evaluate their position.

Brigade: Mildly scummy. Often participating and engages Family often. Almost tunnel visioning on Family. I'm not going to call scum yet but I would like some reasoning other than his outburst. Was there anything you found in his phrasing or prose to be particularly scummy? Or is your assertion he is scum strictly due to his aggressiveness early on in the game?

Academy: Leaning town. Pushes for answers, however I'd like to hear more form you, you ask plenty of questions but I'm not getting much information in return. I'll need to see more from you to make a stronger read.

Gaymers: Unsure. With one post it is hard to determine where gaymers sit. The singular post did make some blanket statements about peoples reaction being good and others being bad. However, no explaination was given. Where do you stand now gamers?

~human^