Was actually V/LA, but derped on posting it in thread.
I am caught up.
I unvoted Seppel to see if he was going to actually do anything. I really haven't been impressed with anything he did in that time and was planning on putting my vote back on, but agree there is a good chance the replace means he is town, so not sure if I still want to lynch him yet.
@Meg - Why would you vote someone that you think is 90% town?
@Iso - Do you think the Seppel slot is still likely scum? It feels like you don't given the, "save Zinibad the trouble" post, so same question as Meg, why would you still vote to lynch someone you think is more likely town (assuming that assessment is accurate)?
/barn Proph. I want to see what DCIII had to say and his justification for going back on the Seppel wagon.
Prod dodging. School sucks. Haven't fully reread, and I would like to get in some thoughts before we go to Night, just in case. Seppel's defense against Iso sucks, but I think dC would be a better lynch. (Or heck, Karn or Proph or Cythare.)
@Hunger: I am not rewarding Seppel's behavior here. He's also been making it hard for me to say that he's town with his posts lately. 90% is a little more generous than I would give him.
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i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
It was a joke. I actually had to ask the mod to confirm I was town, lol.
It wasn't just that HP said her role PM said she was town (but I wanted both she and Iso to respond to it), but this was a self-conscious response to it (and the subsequent ones).
I'd be much more willing to lynch Hooker than Iso.
Still good with the Seppel lynch though.
I don't think you've ever said what you find scummy about Seppel. Made your town read on him evaporate initially and why are you scum reading him? It feels like you've been skating.
Blue's usually a pretty good indicator that you're town.
This is the kind of response I would have expected from HP - something confident along the lines of, paraphrased, "my role PM can still say I'm town without saying I'm town." Her responses tried to play it off as a joke to begin with and felt self-conscious.
Yeah, no; you of all people should know that me not posting is NEVER indicative of my alignment, but rather, my OoG circumstances, and I have said this many times in the past.
I thought this was fair. I know this about Iso and I'm less familiar with him than Seppel is.
In addition, a counterwagon may not necessarily have taken off if enough people in the town thought you were scum. FALLACY
I agree with this - and this highlights similar stretched logic to that I mention below where he tries to play up that he shouldn't be the lynch because he'll just die anyway.
1. Botched name in your claim. And Esophagus? Really?
2. Your ability doesn't make you town, and in fact, the fact that you targeted Wildfire is a huge red flag.
First part Seppel explains later - but I do think that the joking nature of the claim was an attempt to appear overly casual.
Second part I hadn't thought about but it really doesn't make sense that Seppel would have targeted Wildfire.
Absolutely not. The emoticons are forced and Seppel is obviously not comfortable with his response to DCIII here. Hell, if you look at Seppel's T/S list on the last page, the only reason he bumped DCIII up to town is to buddy him so that he can get DCIII to lynch me because DCIII has expressed doubt in me in the past few pages.
It's absolutely not a good point. You, yourself, said that you felt better about me as a result of my posts around that timeframe - so how does it make sense to you that Seppel would draw the opposite conclusion? What's weird about me knowing how my own brother reacts in certain situations as specific alignments when I've played most of my games with him with him being that alignment? Look back on past games with townIso and townSeppel; this is NOT how townSeppel reacts to townIso's pushes. Cyberspace Mafia is the perfect example of this. As for the thing about telling someone what they wouldn't do as town, uh, given that I'm scumreading Seppel, it makes perfect sense that I would think he'd play to his scum game here, no? So given that I know how a townSeppel would react to my own play, it's a logical conclusion that I would know when Seppel isn't reacting naturally to something I've done. townSeppel WOULD be guided by his reads - which is why it's absolutely improbable that Seppel, at this point, would have any sort of scum read on me. scumSeppel, on the other hand, falls directly into the "counter-vote Iso" range of play because he's afraid of being lynched and his team losing him.
I thought this was convincing and that you were convicted in it.
I'd like pretty much everyone to weigh in on this debate and explain in detail why they come down on one side or the other.
Why can't you come to the conclusions yourself?
I had given my stance on the topic and wanted other people to weigh in because a lot of people on the wagon haven't given a lot of clarity as to what points they find convincing.
So, isn't that a good indicator that Seppel picked up your breadcrumb? Because scumSeppel would absolutely want to stay alive in the event that he gets Vigged...so why not target a Bulletproof townie as a Bodyguard when the interaction there is likely that neither of you will die? Additionally, it's a great way for him to use his ability on an "easy" town read instead of doing anything useful with it. Especially since there's absolutely no chance of him dying by targeting you in the event that you're Vigged. Basically, this whole action reeks of scum pretending to white knight a bumbling townie.
I thought this was the best point you made and agree.
I chose Wildfire because with Killjoy flipping town, he was the only one who I felt was townie enough to target (aside from Megs, but you said you didn't need help).
Don't believe that Seppel would have thought Wildfire would have possibly been the target of the NK - also agreed with the point that Meg didn't say he didn't need protection, just not additional vitality.
So really if anyone truly thinks I'm scum, you have nothing to worry about because I can just accelerate myself to death. And if I soak a kill or vit loss in the process, then hooray.
This seems like an attempt to use mechanics to stay alive while making the assumption that vitality won't change (which we know isn't true based on D1).
People not on the Seppel wagon need to tell us why they aren't voting Seppel.
Except, were you really interested in this answer because when I gave mine when I moved my vote off you didn't engage my points. This feels like a busy work question/appearance question.
My reason for unvoting him was because of the way his wagon had formed and the person trying to get him mod killed + my worry about your read on how he would act as town as opposed to scum (which, I thought it more likely that he'd counter-vote you as town than as scum). I was actually worried for a brief spell after that that you and Meg might be dividing and conquering (until some of the more recent interactions between the two of you).
Seppel's responses to you and the points above made me think that I needed to ignore the noise I was feeling about some of the people on his wagon because my initial thoughts on him still feel good and his responses were bad and his Wildfire target doesn't make sense.
The replace out has confused me again - but I'm going to stick with the read this time as I keep second guessing it around mostly factors external to Seppel and whenever I focus solely on how he played, I think he's scum.
Third - I was vitriolic towards Seppel because I was legitimately pissed off. Duh. I'd love to know how you read 'scum-mindedness' into that. In fact, I want you to detail how in the world that was supposedly the case to you.
This indignant response to Arian about thinking he was distancing from Seppel (I think so too) about how one could read scum-mindedness into that interaction. A very common scum tactic is distancing from a buddy - so it's not like this concept should be foreign to dC here. Often times they play this up. dC isn't just saying to Arian "you're wrong", he's attacking the concept that there could be scum motivation behind his being pissed at Seppel, which I find very hard to buy that he legitimately thinks.
Point of order. What I was doing here was wanting Arianrhod to quantify exactly how that interaction was 'scum-minded' to him, rather than just slapping that label on like he did - therefore that last line. I don't see how I was 'attacking' the concept you mention above - rather, I questioned Arian attempting to paint as 'scum-minded' something that should have been a null tell
..also, please clarify something. Do you actually think that I wasn't legitimately annoyed at Seppel?
This is completely obvious. I thought KJ was scum - therefore rezombied coming in and saying 'oh ***** don't hammer' looked utterly horrible. Now in the context that KJ was town, it makes absolutely no sense for a scum rezombied to come in and say that, when he would obviously know KJ was town. The above quote even details this same reasoning.
This 'point' doesn't even stand up to the most casual scrutiny.
dC has a reputation for being a very strong analyst and I believe that - I thought that his break down of why Azrael was scum in CT3 was very strong and he asked me some questions that I wanted no part of trying to think of answers to at the end of that game. The above is bad analysis. This is to his defense to Arian for saying he did a 180 on Rez. His point being that he thought KJ was scum so he thought it was bad that Rezombied came in and said don't hammer. The wagon was at L-1 with 10 people on KJ and KJ's lynch looked inevitable so, to dC, it looked bad that Rez would come in and say not to hammer because he thought KJ was scum? How many scum are going to swoop in from lurking and ask no one to hammer their buddy at L-1 when their flip looks inevitable? Conversely, there is a lot of motivation for scum to say not to hammer someone they know is town because, when they're lynched, they look townie for saying so - and Rez never posted after. If anything, all of that makes him look worse (this is something I've been mulling about rez, but his push on Meg and the way he's doing it make me think he's more likely town). The point being, dC is looking at that situation completely backward, IMO, and then using it as a defense to Arian.
As I mentioned previously to Arian, I'll concede the point on rezombied, for the reason that somehow I failed to consider when I made that post that even if he'd derailed the KJ wagon with that post, the lynch would probably have defaulted to AI, which meant that a theoretical scum rezombied would have had little to lose in any case. So fair enough.
Easy enough to make that statement, huh? How are these supposed to be 'staged and insecure', hm? And I find it very interesting that basically your only statement on me vs. DCIII is to plaster an 'OMGUS' label on it... as though I hadn't already stated I found something off about DCIII on day 1.
I'm still wary of DCIII. His #694 instantly reminded me of his endgame case in the just-concluded CT3, which is why I asked if that kind of case was usual for him. (Interestingly, as far as I saw while skimming, Prophylaxis was the only person who responded to that question.) Then there's his long emotional spiel in #945, which, as I understand it, is rather out of character for him - and he just finished the aforementioned CT3, where blatant emotional fakery basically won the scum team the game. And then there's how in that same post, he says he's 'feeling better about AI due to interactions with Iso'... but in his latest post he appears to be right back on AI as scum, despite having not mentioned him again in between. And his scumreads in that post are the erratic brothers and the two leading wagons.
...actually, come to think of it, my DCIII read might be why I'm having issue with both the AI and Killjoy wagons. Especially the latter, which seems very much lurker hunting to me, in which case rezombied is probably worse.
Meh.
Vote: DCIII, pending a proper catchup on Monday/Tuesday. (Can someone also point me to a couple of DCIII's other games?)
So, a few things about this - one, this is the last time that he mentioned me at all until I had him as likely scum in my t/s list Today. He left his vote on me while the AI and Killjoy wagons were happening but didn't engage me again or try to convince anyone that I was scum.
Point of order - I had a sum total of three posts on day 1 after this one that you quote - and those posts came with large amounts of time in between. The KJ and AI wagons were more pertinent to discuss, and while I'm not at all proud of it, I'd completely lost track of the game around this time. Quite simply, I'd largely forgotten about you at that point, since whenever I scanned recent posts nothing in your posts particularly caught my notice. It wasn't until I looked over the game again at night that I remembered having an issue with you.
I probably should have unvoted at some point, but eh.
dC, you say that Proph was the only one who responded to you about my play style but what did Proph respond (he said it was my play style and gave Deus Ex for you to reference)? So who is cherry picking again?
I don't understand this question, actually. I'll admit to the failure to check meta - I'll get to that in a bit - but how in the world is it 'cherry picking' when I see a possible connection between you (who I was suspicious of) and Proph, who was the only person of all the people you'd played with that didn't outright ignore me when I asked that question?
I referred you to my sig to check out said games - but you never came back with a conclusion or did anything with it. If a big part of you initial concern about me was meta in CT3, and the one person who answered you said it was my town meta, and I have plenty of games for you to check... what did you find? If you're going to bring up to Arian that you had concerns with me Day 1 as the reason why you weren't OMGUSing me - why didn't you mention my name again the rest of that Day after the above post and why didn't you circle back on my meta? Either you weren't really interested in checking or you didn't like what you found. Either way, you're defending yourself to Arian by saying that you had a scum read on me Day 1, which was pending a proper catch up and reading my other games - and then you never touched the topic of me again.
As far as not checking meta goes, I simply don't have an excuse. I quite forgot I even mentioned that, in fact.
Let me note in the first place that asking for meta was already atypical for me. I don't usually spend time checking for meta, because I find that it's often not all that reliable, and frankly I just don't have the time to look through whole games these days. Thus, I usually only use meta from games I actually played in. But in this case the only game I've ever played with you was CT3, where you were a last day replacement, which despite the similarity I saw didn't really give me that much to work with. And it didn't help that I'll admit that I'm not exactly unbiased when it comes to anything to do with CT3, given how painful a game it was for me. Therefore the above quoted atypical request - which I quite forgot about later and thus never followed up on.
Then we come to day 2, where you began the day with what looked like a totally ridiculous case on me based on me being 'apologetic'. Which instantly made me suspicious of you all over again, because that was, as I said to Arian, totally false meta, and looked like nothing more than krap logick.
Also, where did I use emotional fakery in CT3 or are you referring to other players and, if you are, what does that have to do with me? I'm thinking that a lot of that "he burned me in the other game" was a crutch to foist suspicion in this one based on your lack of follow through.
...huh? I never said you used emotional fakery in that game. But it was in fact a very large reason the mafia managed a perfect win in that game, and it's not unusual at all for players to try a winning tactic in another game.
Then the "feeling better about AI" point without mentioning him between the posts - I responded to that and you didn't challenge me or push back on it at all:
@dC - all of my other games are in my sig with links. I also explained the reasons behind my recent changes of opinion on AI. I thought he seemed genuinely skeptical of Iso and was pushing back, but then he looked worse again when he said he wanted to ignore him (because if he was really skeptical of Iso then I doubt he'd want to be left alone) and Rhand's point about his comment on remembering that Killjoy was scum I thought was good. Most recently, I disagree with Wildfire as I'm not sold on his recent defeatism, as I doubt he thinks it's likely that anyone other than KJ is the lynch today.
So if I'm to believe your response to Arian that you weren't OMGUSing me because you had a scum read on me Day 1 - where's your response to the above, your following through with checking out my previous games, or any interaction with me for the rest of the Day?
...huh? I don't follow. I said that to Arian because he was apparently attempting to rubbish my response to you by calling it 'OMGUS', which seemed quite disingenuous in the context that I had, in fact, previously expressed suspicion of you - so from his perspective, it shouldn't have looked at all like me throwing suspicion back at you out of nowhere, which is what OMGUS basically is. That OMGUS accusation looked even more ridiculous when you take into account later, where he's apparently convinced both you and I are scum.
As for the rest of that - see above. It's a poor excuse, yes, but it's the truth.
...I could have sworn I quoted you, but somehow I can't find it now... in any case. The line I quoted proves that, contrary to what you appear to be trying to imply with your selective quoting, I was in fact trying to, and did, provide at least some level of content despite my real-life schedule and issues with CT3.
No, the line you quoted shows that you mentioned CT3 in one of your reasons for why you weren't available. My response to you was that CT3 wasn't in it's dire throws for all of D1 yesterday - and you're saying I was being selective about my quoting when really my whole point about that was that you started off almost all of your posts by being apologetic. Adding that quote into the rest of those I made didn't change anything. Also, my point wasn't ever that your post count was low in and of itself - it was how apologetic you were at the beginning of almost all of your posts, which made me think that you were self-conscious about it.
As one of the reasons. The series of project deadlines I had to deal with followed by me falling ill (probably from all those project deadlines) was also a heavy reason, and one which I also mention.
Fair enough on the latter point, although I should hope it's clear by now that's not the case. But given the way you clipped headers from posts that were often quite a bit larger than said headers, it sure as heck looked like that's what you were trying to imply.
And speaking of CT3, of course the majority of my posts didn't start like that - I was able to stick to my regular posting schedule for most of CT3. And of course I had more of a 'sense of purpose' there - because Azrael was obvscum since day 1 who kept throwing horrible points at me while calling me scum, and somehow despite that half the game decided to collectively swallow everything he said.
All of which you should be aware of, making you throwing that point at me nothing short of disingenuous. Furthermore, you're attempting to paint my posts as somehow 'self-conscious', when any amount of research into my previous games should show you I post like that whenever I fail to stick to my regular posting schedule. And I know you do the research.
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...that took a while. I'm currently seeing Arian/Proph/DCIII as likely scum, probably in that order - Arian just slid a lot with that horrible case and the sheer number of fallacies he just threw at me, and Prophylaxis being so easily 'convinced' by that poor case makes him look worse as well.
Several things here - one being that all of your top scum reads are people who have expressed suspicion of you Today.
But, in the above you're basically trying to turn it into me being scummy that I'm not in your head. For example, I'm supposed to know your posting schedule and know that you always post like that whenever you miss your posting schedule. Then I'm supposed to know that the reason you had purpose in CT3 was simply because of the way Azrael was playing and that, what, normally you don't? I am only familiar with you through the Cross-Town games and by reputation. Your implication is that in order to find you suspicious for all of the openings to your posts, that I would have had to do a meta dive on you to see if that was normal for you when, in reality, I read Meg's PM post where he said that your posts were bad, isoed you to see for myself, and noticed the trend of almost all of your posts starting off self-consciously, which I thought was suspicious and called out in my T/S list.
You're accusing me of being scum because you think I'd have done a meta dive on you before pointing out that 8 of your 10 posts D1 start self-consciously and thinking you were likely scum for it (which isn't something that needs a meta dive and, if you weren't insecure about it, rather than responding as you did you could have just referred me to those games), but the irony is that if you'd done the meta dive on me that you said you were interested in doing based on my play in CT3, you'd have a much better sense of how I play than you do - and if you really thought I was scum Yesterday and aren't just responding to my pressure Today, then I think you would have had some kind of response, follow up, interaction, etc. with me Yesterday rather than ignoring me entirely after voting me.
dC is scum #2.
First off. Fair enough on you not having a good grasp on my meta. For some reason I'd mentally attributed something someone else (Nacho, I think) said about having heavily meta-ed Azrael to you, which was blatantly wrong. So apologies for that. That being said, your initial case very much was basically just 'self conscious and apologetic', which my immediate response to was that that's blatantly wrong.
As for my top scum reads having been people who expressed suspicion of me today, that was very much because of the way they did it, which admittedly I probably didn't quantify properly. To whit; (1) you started off with what looked like an utterly bogus case based on incorrect meta on me, and I'd just been reminded by my overnight review that I'd had an issue with you based on similarities with CT3. In context, I was mistaken that you should have known better, but at the time that's what it felt like. (2) Arianrhod, on the other hand, pushed a case full of faulty logic in addition to the above stated bogus case based on incorrect meta, and unlike you he very much should know better. And (3) Prophylaxis was engaging in background wagon pushing on me, while basically reposting the same weirdly placed vote analysis from the previous day and going all out to get LnGrrrR lynched.
...which actually reminds me, I should take another look at Cythare as well.
Part 2 coming once I scan recent events.
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...explain to me, Iso, how that lines up with 'unmarked'. Because if I go by the above, it looks more like it lines up with AI's death flavour rather than Sir Chris's. So tell me again how you know that Yblisa targeted Sir Chris?
I understand that reading is hard, but if you look at the OP, it very clearly states: "Sir Chris, Demernae's Passion, found dead but unmarked Night 1."
So...that's how that lines up with unmarked.
....err, no. If Sir Chris was killed by the scum, which is probably the case, all that tells us is that 'dead but unmarked' lines up with the mafia nightkill. So how did you go from there to 'Chris was targeted by Yblisa'?
It can't be the OP flavour either. From the snippet of the OP I provided above, Yblisa killing someone would appear to line up very much more with the flavour for AI's death rather than Sir Chris's. And in any case I seriously doubt the scum would have chosen AI for the kill.
So. Again. How do you know that Sir Chris was targeted by Yblisa?
Arian are you going to respond to dC because I'd like to see that.
Waiting on Iso as well.
I agree that it's hard to unring that "says that I'm town" bell... hard to play trying to ignore something like that, and I don't know that we should because that's coloring my opinion whether I reference it openly or not.
I wasn't planning on it. His last post infuriates me on every level. Considering that I know that I'm town, all of his "I hope you're scum because this is so terrible that you're an awful human being that die in a fire" rhetoric offends me personally. I called it like I see it. He apparently takes an issue with that, and that's fine -- it's out there and other people can judge it now. If I respond to dC's last response, all it'll do is likely incite me to a spittle-wielding frenzy, so I'm just not going to do it. My blood pressure doesn't need it.
dC's still scum. My opinion on that hasn't changed.
...oh, come of it. This is blatantly false and you know it. I never once called you anything even close to an 'awful human being' in that entire post, because that's simply not what I do, at least not without being seriously infuriated. You don't even come close to the level of frustration Azrael caused me in CT3 at this point.
I don't see what in the world in my post could possibly cause 'a spittle-wielding frenzy' (whatever that is), and I'm not going to accept that as a valid reason for you to just handwave away my entire reply to you.
I don't understand the move off of Seppel. Did I miss something in the fallout of his wagon where he townslipped or something? I also don't like or understand why the game has gone so incredibly quiet in the wake of Seppel's wagon. There's barely been any activity at all. I'd say that I would like to lynch someone before the game stalls and we lose momentum, but it seems as though that's already happened.
If we're looking at the Iso/Kami camp, I would prefer to lynch Kami to Iso, because I would both rather shut off scum!Kami's gift-giving, and because I have been townreading Iso. I would still prefer a Seppel/dC lynch to either of them, however.
That last paragraph is horrible. You've been townreading Iso... but would still apparently be fine with possibly lynching Kamikaze, despite just how little sense it would make for a scum Kamikaze to gift Iso with anything in the first place. And if you really didn't trust Kamikaze, it would be as simple as having the town decide who he should target, on pain of lynch - and even if he claims redirection, he still has to own up to his new target, and the scum redirector can't do anything else without exposing him. I.E. one scum power role is shut down and he risks exposing scumbuddies, or else he's giving abilities to town roles.
None of that train of thought re:Kamikaze makes a lick of sense.
while DCIII actually has a good point in what I saw of his post
Case in point. He's acknowledging that DCIII had a "good point" when DCIII was casing him.
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Also, you ask me to "cite evidence" that your play has been fake when it's pretty obvious it's a vibe I have been getting, the reasons for which I have brought it up throughout the game.
I want dC to give an opinion on the Seppel wagon, rather than continue to argue with Arianrhod and asking Iso questions.
@Seppel
Can you give flavor for your claim, please?
The above bolded reads like a blatant attempt to stop me from pursuing one (or both) scumbuddies of Proph's. Seriously, did you even read what I said about Arian?
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I didn't actually see anything terribly off about Seppel myself. If anything, as annoyed as I was by it, him calling me on lurking seemed less likely for him to say as scum, given that as scum he'd happily let town lurk away. But with him asking for replacement at this juncture it's unlikely anyone else will be lynched, so eh.
That being said, I very much want responses from Iso and Arian at least before the day ends.
And where does "Deltrese" show up on the OP?[/quote]
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Hm... would town!Seppel pass up the chance to come back and be confirmed town when we head to ghostlands?
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
I hadn't voted because I'm thinking, with the replace out, that Seppel is scum, and someone requested that DCIII give his thoughts before the hammer comes.
I still believed he was town, but asking to replace out just reeks of giving up as scum. If he's town, it's hurting us immensely that he's replacing out and losing his chance to weigh in at Ghostlands. And he's emphasized that point before (that he'd be around to do such).
With DCIII having spoken, I'm prepared to hammer, and will do so in approximately 3 hours (9:30am EST) if nobody else objects.
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I want to see responses to dC's post from Arian and Iso before anyone hammers. Not sure when I'll have a moment to respond in detail to him as I'm heading to work now and have company coming over tonight (so, likely tomorrow), but I think I believe his response to me.
Hm... would town!Seppel pass up the chance to come back and be confirmed town when we head to ghostlands?
>#10: After you have requested replacement or after I have announced that I am seeking a replacement for you - whichever comes first - your time in the game has ended. Do not post any further.
So yes.
Am I seeing things or is this a major "I know Seppel's alignment" scumslip?
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Responding to prod. My time for this game has gone down considerably due to work-related issues, but I'll see if I can get it sorted quickly. If not, I may need to step out.
Hm... would town!Seppel pass up the chance to come back and be confirmed town when we head to ghostlands?
>#10: After you have requested replacement or after I have announced that I am seeking a replacement for you - whichever comes first - your time in the game has ended. Do not post any further.
So yes.
Am I seeing things or is this a major "I know Seppel's alignment" scumslip?
Hm... would town!Seppel pass up the chance to come back and be confirmed town when we head to ghostlands?
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So yes.
Am I seeing things or is this a major "I know Seppel's alignment" scumslip?
Explain.
It seems to me that Meg doesn't consider a scum!Seppel: he just quotes the rules and answers that town!Seppel indeed does this.
My question was about Seppel's alignment, not about mechanics.
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....err, no. If Sir Chris was killed by the scum, which is probably the case, all that tells us is that 'dead but unmarked' lines up with the mafia nightkill. So how did you go from there to 'Chris was targeted by Yblisa'?
It can't be the OP flavour either. From the snippet of the OP I provided above, Yblisa killing someone would appear to line up very much more with the flavour for AI's death rather than Sir Chris's. And in any case I seriously doubt the scum would have chosen AI for the kill.
So. Again. How do you know that Sir Chris was targeted by Yblisa?
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That being said, I very much want responses from Iso and Arian at least before the day ends.
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Waiting on that.
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@Rhand - I read your posts. I think you answered your own question though, Meg either thought your question was mechanical and answered it as such, or he thought your question was dumb and answered it as such. Your, "is this a scumslip post," honestly feels faked to me. Like you were just waiting for the first person to reply without saying, "Well, IF Seppel is town..." so you could use that scumslip line. You don't really seem to believe it yourself. If you actually cared and thought it was something you wouldn't just, "lol, no one reads my posts," and if you didn't think it was something, why bring it up?
While I think that scumslip post is bogus, I do think there is some merit to your original question of what would a town!Seppel do considering Ghostlands exists. He could be too frustrated with this game and not want to continue following the game, which would be expected of a townie so that he could provide input in Ghostlands. So he is replacing out so that someone can still potentially do something with that slot. Or would it be more likely that he would want to come back to rub it in if he is town? I honestly don't know, but would like to think it's the former and he would save his told-you-so's for the post game. I don't really know Seppel though.
To me, it just doesn't make sense that he would replace out as scum in an attempt to save the slot when he no longer has any stake in the game. Why not just eat the lynch? I think that's what most people are thinking and why they expect him to flip Town. It feels pretty gross though to not lynch someone for scummy behavior because of this, so I am torn. I think I agree with Meg in not rewarding his play, regardless of what I think about his slot surrounding the circumstances of his replace. Would still lynch.
I also want to hear Iso's reply to what he thinks about Seppel now.
I am good with DCIII's post. Still think that guy is town.
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World Lit sucks. I had to buy 8 books for my classes. I guess I should have expected a lot of reading, but that on top of this CEH course is a complete braindrain.
There's no point in not lynching Seppel at this point. Waiting for a replacement, letting him read up, only to likely lynch him later, is just dumb. What, extend Day 2 to 150 pages? No thanks.
@Hunger, does the fact that Rhand was vote-blocked last Night affect your read of him?
@Iso - Do you think the Seppel slot is still likely scum? It feels like you don't given the, "save Zinibad the trouble" post, so same question as Meg, why would you still vote to lynch someone you think is more likely town (assuming that assessment is accurate)?
How does "let's lynch my scumread so a replacement doesn't have a chance to **** up the glorious wagon I've built on him by being good at acting town" translate to "I don't think Seppel is scum anymore"? If anything, I'm more convinced that he's scum now.
"She flew at them, pointed teeth parted, razor claws flailing. In the hazy darkness, only the sounds of slaughter gave proof of what Yblisa was doing to the Celestials. Finally, the stars above twinkled once more (for of course Yblisa had been feeding on their energy to empower her dark rage, and to grant herself the cover of darkness), and there was no sign of Voes or Yblisa - save the twisted corpses of the Celestials who had tried to claim her."
"How horrible."
...explain to me, Iso, how that lines up with 'unmarked'. Because if I go by the above, it looks more like it lines up with AI's death flavour rather than Sir Chris's. So tell me again how you know that Yblisa targeted Sir Chris?
I understand that reading is hard, but if you look at the OP, it very clearly states: "Sir Chris, Demernae's Passion, found dead but unmarked Night 1."
So...that's how that lines up with unmarked.
....err, no. If Sir Chris was killed by the scum, which is probably the case, all that tells us is that 'dead but unmarked' lines up with the mafia nightkill. So how did you go from there to 'Chris was targeted by Yblisa'?
It can't be the OP flavour either. From the snippet of the OP I provided above, Yblisa killing someone would appear to line up very much more with the flavour for AI's death rather than Sir Chris's. And in any case I seriously doubt the scum would have chosen AI for the kill.
So. Again. How do you know that Sir Chris was targeted by Yblisa?
Because I can ******* read, desCoures. Maybe you've forgotten that Celestial Mafia is the sequel to Seasons Mafia. I certainly haven't.
DRey, Smaruwari, the Living Remembrance, Elemental of Memory, lynched Day 1. AsianInvasion, Vheraphon, Capricious Cloud-Lord, Elemental of the Clouds, found dead but unmarked Night 1.
ced395, Cel-Corak Kivir, the Ice Apparition, Elemental of the Frozen Pool, found torn apart Night 1.
Void (r. ZasZ234), Nyx, She Who Waits In Shadow, Elemental of Night, claimed by the sun Day 2.
vezokpiraka, Gangolore, the Fertile Verdance, Elemental of Wild Growth, lynched Day 2. Yanni, Wepmhia Zavii, the Earth's Bounty, Elemental of the Harvest, found dead but unmarked Night 2.
Niv, Potaraxis, the Frozen Judgment, Elemental of Hail, found torn apart Night 2.
iLord, Jayalun, Prince of the Extremes, Elemental of the Equinox, lynched Day 3. Iso (r. Gigas1), Akaramol, Speaker to the Winds, Elemental of Gales, found dead but unmarked Night 3. Artifice 101 (r. Shinen), Febanatik, the Blazebringer, Elemental of Heat, found dead but unmarked Night 3.
Tezz (r. Dancing Mad (r. Burstinatrix)), Adoreq, the Tree of Seasons, Elemental of Trees, found torn apart Night 3. Wrath_of_DoG, Yblisa, the First, Serial Killer, made her escape Day 4.
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Archmage Eternal, Lheraz Bex, the Watery Manipulator, Elemental of Tides, found torn apart Night 5.
Wessel, Hmokaya, the Golden Blooms, Elemental of Flowers, claimed by the sun Day 6.
Pale Mage (r. dropkickdude), Radamel, Herald of Frost, Elemental of Cold, lynched Day 6.
Xyre/Liquidity Crisis, Chiazon, Who Withdraws the Earth's White Cloak, Elemental of the Thaw, found torn apart Night 6.
Brinatoo, Bessamavotha, the Winged Chorus, Elemental of Birdsong, lynched Day 7.
AlphaInsidious, Melwayeen, the Blue Emptiness, Elemental of the Sky, endgamed.
Yblisa, the First (Serial Killer)
Last Word [active/night/any season/+0]: Target another player. You will whisper your name to that player, killing him or her instantly. This ability cannot be roleblocked and penetrates any protection the target may have.
Beyond Time [passive]: While the Aeon Clock stands at 0, 24, 25, 49, 50, 74, 75, or 99, you are immune to killing abilities.
Does that answer your question, or are you going to waste more of my time? Not to be snippy, I'm just annoyed that I had to dig these posts up because you didn't put it together, yourself.
For the record, the "torn apart" flavor was the mafia Nightkill.
Hm... would town!Seppel pass up the chance to come back and be confirmed town when we head to ghostlands?
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So yes.
Am I seeing things or is this a major "I know Seppel's alignment" scumslip?
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I unvoted Seppel to see if he was going to actually do anything. I really haven't been impressed with anything he did in that time and was planning on putting my vote back on, but agree there is a good chance the replace means he is town, so not sure if I still want to lynch him yet.
@Meg - Why would you vote someone that you think is 90% town?
@Iso - Do you think the Seppel slot is still likely scum? It feels like you don't given the, "save Zinibad the trouble" post, so same question as Meg, why would you still vote to lynch someone you think is more likely town (assuming that assessment is accurate)?
/barn Proph. I want to see what DCIII had to say and his justification for going back on the Seppel wagon.
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It wasn't just that HP said her role PM said she was town (but I wanted both she and Iso to respond to it), but this was a self-conscious response to it (and the subsequent ones).
I don't think you've ever said what you find scummy about Seppel. Made your town read on him evaporate initially and why are you scum reading him? It feels like you've been skating.
This is the kind of response I would have expected from HP - something confident along the lines of, paraphrased, "my role PM can still say I'm town without saying I'm town." Her responses tried to play it off as a joke to begin with and felt self-conscious.
This feels like false bravado - I don't see how Proph can think he's a threat to be NKed considering how many people have expressed suspicion of him.
I thought this was fair. I know this about Iso and I'm less familiar with him than Seppel is.
I agree with this - and this highlights similar stretched logic to that I mention below where he tries to play up that he shouldn't be the lynch because he'll just die anyway.
First part Seppel explains later - but I do think that the joking nature of the claim was an attempt to appear overly casual.
Second part I hadn't thought about but it really doesn't make sense that Seppel would have targeted Wildfire.
I also thought this.
I thought this was convincing and that you were convicted in it.
I had given my stance on the topic and wanted other people to weigh in because a lot of people on the wagon haven't given a lot of clarity as to what points they find convincing.
I thought this was the best point you made and agree.
I wanted both of your reactions to it. Not sold on HP's.
Don't believe that Seppel would have thought Wildfire would have possibly been the target of the NK - also agreed with the point that Meg didn't say he didn't need protection, just not additional vitality.
This seems like an attempt to use mechanics to stay alive while making the assumption that vitality won't change (which we know isn't true based on D1).
Except, were you really interested in this answer because when I gave mine when I moved my vote off you didn't engage my points. This feels like a busy work question/appearance question.
The stuff above.
My reason for unvoting him was because of the way his wagon had formed and the person trying to get him mod killed + my worry about your read on how he would act as town as opposed to scum (which, I thought it more likely that he'd counter-vote you as town than as scum). I was actually worried for a brief spell after that that you and Meg might be dividing and conquering (until some of the more recent interactions between the two of you).
Seppel's responses to you and the points above made me think that I needed to ignore the noise I was feeling about some of the people on his wagon because my initial thoughts on him still feel good and his responses were bad and his Wildfire target doesn't make sense.
The replace out has confused me again - but I'm going to stick with the read this time as I keep second guessing it around mostly factors external to Seppel and whenever I focus solely on how he played, I think he's scum.
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First post will be the reply I owe DCIII, before I go over what's happened since then.
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Point of order. What I was doing here was wanting Arianrhod to quantify exactly how that interaction was 'scum-minded' to him, rather than just slapping that label on like he did - therefore that last line. I don't see how I was 'attacking' the concept you mention above - rather, I questioned Arian attempting to paint as 'scum-minded' something that should have been a null tell
..also, please clarify something. Do you actually think that I wasn't legitimately annoyed at Seppel?
As I mentioned previously to Arian, I'll concede the point on rezombied, for the reason that somehow I failed to consider when I made that post that even if he'd derailed the KJ wagon with that post, the lynch would probably have defaulted to AI, which meant that a theoretical scum rezombied would have had little to lose in any case. So fair enough.
Point of order - I had a sum total of three posts on day 1 after this one that you quote - and those posts came with large amounts of time in between. The KJ and AI wagons were more pertinent to discuss, and while I'm not at all proud of it, I'd completely lost track of the game around this time. Quite simply, I'd largely forgotten about you at that point, since whenever I scanned recent posts nothing in your posts particularly caught my notice. It wasn't until I looked over the game again at night that I remembered having an issue with you.
I probably should have unvoted at some point, but eh.
I don't understand this question, actually. I'll admit to the failure to check meta - I'll get to that in a bit - but how in the world is it 'cherry picking' when I see a possible connection between you (who I was suspicious of) and Proph, who was the only person of all the people you'd played with that didn't outright ignore me when I asked that question?
As far as not checking meta goes, I simply don't have an excuse. I quite forgot I even mentioned that, in fact.
Let me note in the first place that asking for meta was already atypical for me. I don't usually spend time checking for meta, because I find that it's often not all that reliable, and frankly I just don't have the time to look through whole games these days. Thus, I usually only use meta from games I actually played in. But in this case the only game I've ever played with you was CT3, where you were a last day replacement, which despite the similarity I saw didn't really give me that much to work with. And it didn't help that I'll admit that I'm not exactly unbiased when it comes to anything to do with CT3, given how painful a game it was for me. Therefore the above quoted atypical request - which I quite forgot about later and thus never followed up on.
Then we come to day 2, where you began the day with what looked like a totally ridiculous case on me based on me being 'apologetic'. Which instantly made me suspicious of you all over again, because that was, as I said to Arian, totally false meta, and looked like nothing more than krap logick.
...huh? I never said you used emotional fakery in that game. But it was in fact a very large reason the mafia managed a perfect win in that game, and it's not unusual at all for players to try a winning tactic in another game.
...huh? I don't follow. I said that to Arian because he was apparently attempting to rubbish my response to you by calling it 'OMGUS', which seemed quite disingenuous in the context that I had, in fact, previously expressed suspicion of you - so from his perspective, it shouldn't have looked at all like me throwing suspicion back at you out of nowhere, which is what OMGUS basically is. That OMGUS accusation looked even more ridiculous when you take into account later, where he's apparently convinced both you and I are scum.
As for the rest of that - see above. It's a poor excuse, yes, but it's the truth.
As one of the reasons. The series of project deadlines I had to deal with followed by me falling ill (probably from all those project deadlines) was also a heavy reason, and one which I also mention.
Fair enough on the latter point, although I should hope it's clear by now that's not the case. But given the way you clipped headers from posts that were often quite a bit larger than said headers, it sure as heck looked like that's what you were trying to imply.
First off. Fair enough on you not having a good grasp on my meta. For some reason I'd mentally attributed something someone else (Nacho, I think) said about having heavily meta-ed Azrael to you, which was blatantly wrong. So apologies for that. That being said, your initial case very much was basically just 'self conscious and apologetic', which my immediate response to was that that's blatantly wrong.
As for my top scum reads having been people who expressed suspicion of me today, that was very much because of the way they did it, which admittedly I probably didn't quantify properly. To whit; (1) you started off with what looked like an utterly bogus case based on incorrect meta on me, and I'd just been reminded by my overnight review that I'd had an issue with you based on similarities with CT3. In context, I was mistaken that you should have known better, but at the time that's what it felt like. (2) Arianrhod, on the other hand, pushed a case full of faulty logic in addition to the above stated bogus case based on incorrect meta, and unlike you he very much should know better. And (3) Prophylaxis was engaging in background wagon pushing on me, while basically reposting the same weirdly placed vote analysis from the previous day and going all out to get LnGrrrR lynched.
...which actually reminds me, I should take another look at Cythare as well.
Part 2 coming once I scan recent events.
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....err, no. If Sir Chris was killed by the scum, which is probably the case, all that tells us is that 'dead but unmarked' lines up with the mafia nightkill. So how did you go from there to 'Chris was targeted by Yblisa'?
It can't be the OP flavour either. From the snippet of the OP I provided above, Yblisa killing someone would appear to line up very much more with the flavour for AI's death rather than Sir Chris's. And in any case I seriously doubt the scum would have chosen AI for the kill.
So. Again. How do you know that Sir Chris was targeted by Yblisa?
@Arianrhod
...oh, come of it. This is blatantly false and you know it. I never once called you anything even close to an 'awful human being' in that entire post, because that's simply not what I do, at least not without being seriously infuriated. You don't even come close to the level of frustration Azrael caused me in CT3 at this point.
I don't see what in the world in my post could possibly cause 'a spittle-wielding frenzy' (whatever that is), and I'm not going to accept that as a valid reason for you to just handwave away my entire reply to you.
That last paragraph is horrible. You've been townreading Iso... but would still apparently be fine with possibly lynching Kamikaze, despite just how little sense it would make for a scum Kamikaze to gift Iso with anything in the first place. And if you really didn't trust Kamikaze, it would be as simple as having the town decide who he should target, on pain of lynch - and even if he claims redirection, he still has to own up to his new target, and the scum redirector can't do anything else without exposing him. I.E. one scum power role is shut down and he risks exposing scumbuddies, or else he's giving abilities to town roles.
None of that train of thought re:Kamikaze makes a lick of sense.
@Prophylaxis
...uh huh. Pot, kettle?
The above bolded reads like a blatant attempt to stop me from pursuing one (or both) scumbuddies of Proph's. Seriously, did you even read what I said about Arian?
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I didn't actually see anything terribly off about Seppel myself. If anything, as annoyed as I was by it, him calling me on lurking seemed less likely for him to say as scum, given that as scum he'd happily let town lurk away. But with him asking for replacement at this juncture it's unlikely anyone else will be lynched, so eh.
That being said, I very much want responses from Iso and Arian at least before the day ends.
And where does "Deltrese" show up on the OP?[/quote]
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So yes.
I still believed he was town, but asking to replace out just reeks of giving up as scum. If he's town, it's hurting us immensely that he's replacing out and losing his chance to weigh in at Ghostlands. And he's emphasized that point before (that he'd be around to do such).
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Am I seeing things or is this a major "I know Seppel's alignment" scumslip?
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It seems to me that Meg doesn't consider a scum!Seppel: he just quotes the rules and answers that town!Seppel indeed does this.
My question was about Seppel's alignment, not about mechanics.
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To follow up on my earlier question, who would you be voting for?
Still, without rereading the whole Day I can't remember who you are scumreading right now. Other than Seppel, what are your reads?
Waiting on that.
Intending to hammer Seppel. I view his ragequit as a scumtell.
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While I think that scumslip post is bogus, I do think there is some merit to your original question of what would a town!Seppel do considering Ghostlands exists. He could be too frustrated with this game and not want to continue following the game, which would be expected of a townie so that he could provide input in Ghostlands. So he is replacing out so that someone can still potentially do something with that slot. Or would it be more likely that he would want to come back to rub it in if he is town? I honestly don't know, but would like to think it's the former and he would save his told-you-so's for the post game. I don't really know Seppel though.
To me, it just doesn't make sense that he would replace out as scum in an attempt to save the slot when he no longer has any stake in the game. Why not just eat the lynch? I think that's what most people are thinking and why they expect him to flip Town. It feels pretty gross though to not lynch someone for scummy behavior because of this, so I am torn. I think I agree with Meg in not rewarding his play, regardless of what I think about his slot surrounding the circumstances of his replace. Would still lynch.
I also want to hear Iso's reply to what he thinks about Seppel now.
I am good with DCIII's post. Still think that guy is town.
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Can you give me a timeline estimate of when that might happen?
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As a mod outside the game: please keep it civil.
Megiddo, if you attack someone's posting, don't use language that also attacks them personally.
World Lit sucks. I had to buy 8 books for my classes. I guess I should have expected a lot of reading, but that on top of this CEH course is a complete braindrain.
There's no point in not lynching Seppel at this point. Waiting for a replacement, letting him read up, only to likely lynch him later, is just dumb. What, extend Day 2 to 150 pages? No thanks.
@Hunger, does the fact that Rhand was vote-blocked last Night affect your read of him?
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How does "let's lynch my scumread so a replacement doesn't have a chance to **** up the glorious wagon I've built on him by being good at acting town" translate to "I don't think Seppel is scum anymore"? If anything, I'm more convinced that he's scum now.
This is what I would expect you to ask as a scumbuddy of Seppel.
Also, you're using far too many ellipses and "confused" reactions to be town.
I read it, I just don't care what obvscum says about my townread.
Because I can ******* read, desCoures. Maybe you've forgotten that Celestial Mafia is the sequel to Seasons Mafia. I certainly haven't.
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Does that answer your question, or are you going to waste more of my time? Not to be snippy, I'm just annoyed that I had to dig these posts up because you didn't put it together, yourself.
For the record, the "torn apart" flavor was the mafia Nightkill.
I think you're reaching.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player