Arian are you going to respond to dC because I'd like to see that.
Waiting on Iso as well.
I agree that it's hard to unring that "says that I'm town" bell... hard to play trying to ignore something like that, and I don't know that we should because that's coloring my opinion whether I reference it openly or not.
For the record even more, I actually thought about making mention of the fact it didn't say anything in my role PM in the same post, but figured it ruined the effect so :/
[Town] Megiddo (58) - There's no reason to believe he's not town. Unless he's some sort of weird "I AM ALL PLANES" character, in which case I don't even care.
[Town] hansanator (21) - Actions and behavior, by all accounts town.
[Town] Wildfire393 (21) - Behaviorally town.
[ProbTown] Arianrhod (21) - I like his posts, but I'd like him to post more.
[ProbTown] LnGrrrR (17) - I hear the ignorance in his posts. His night action makes no sense from a scum perspective.
[ProbTown] DCIII (40) - His posts are so dumb, but the more he talks, the more town he sounds.
[LeanTown] Prophylaxis (26) - ScumProph lurks. He's paying attention and not lurking, but his content isn't exciting.
[LeanTown] Hunger (r. EtR) (21) - He unvoted me when I was at L-1.
[LeanTown] Sir Karn (17) - He's being an ass and tuning out of the game instead of paying attention.
[Meh] Cythare (21) - I can't remember a thing he's done. He should probably do something.
[Meh] rezombied (21) - Do something please.
[Meh] desCoures (21) - I don't like that he hasn't placed a serious vote on anyone. Saving grace is that I made him mad. He usually just dodges me when he's scum.
[LeanScum] dkingsland967 (r.kpaca) (21) - I've forgotten why I don't like him. Probably because he isn't posting.
[ProbScum] KamikazeArchon (r. Niv) (23) - I don't like anything he says. A scumIso flip practically guarantees he's scum (unless Iso is planning on me thinking that Kami is scum for Iso defending him so strongly).
[ProbScum] Rhand (18) - D1 push on AI; D2 says he knows things about the scumteam, lied about dodged questions.
[ProbScum] HookerPunch (21) - D1 let Wildfire off the hook; D2 Alway push, ignored me, voted me for no reason, and the "Icing"
[Scum] Iso (17) - Willful ignorance of reads changing, pushing on me and now preparing a case/response(?) instead of backing off.
Still want to lynch Seppel. He's acting really conciliatory towards his lynch, which is in total contrast to Sesame Street and Amistarian III Mafia.
In Sesame Street (as town), Seppel started to get all frustrated/passionate about the game on how he was the only one putting work in, IIRC. The amount of genuine frustration is totally different from the two games - in Sesame Street it felt like he was gnashing his teeth to get me lynched, while in here he's calling Iso scum, but I'm not seeing any passion.
You can compare:
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The silence is fun. You can go ahead and move your votes over to Iso now.
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I need two of Generic, Nny, and RR to vote Proph.
And if you don't in your next post, I expect a good case for why Proph is town.
Otherwise I'm replacing out because nobody is putting any effort into this game, and it's miserable.
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I think DCIII's case against dC is very compelling. I would prefer to lynch dC toDay because I am less sure about Seppel being scum than dC without first seeing the other's flip. I think that the Seppel wagon seems kinda rushed, and I particularly don't like Hunger's vote.
"Prefer to lynch dC toDay"
"particularly don't like Hunger's vote"
Why aren't you voting? It feels like your presence has gotten really minimal as D2 started to pass, and I know you're stingy with your vote, but your phrasing here suggests that you think dC/Hunger are reasonably likely scum, and
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I'll typically vote only when I am reasonably certain that a player is scum
Arian are you going to respond to dC because I'd like to see that.
Waiting on Iso as well.
I agree that it's hard to unring that "says that I'm town" bell... hard to play trying to ignore something like that, and I don't know that we should because that's coloring my opinion whether I reference it openly or not.
I wasn't planning on it. His last post infuriates me on every level. Considering that I know that I'm town, all of his "I hope you're scum because this is so terrible that you're an awful human being that die in a fire" rhetoric offends me personally. I called it like I see it. He apparently takes an issue with that, and that's fine -- it's out there and other people can judge it now. If I respond to dC's last response, all it'll do is likely incite me to a spittle-wielding frenzy, so I'm just not going to do it. My blood pressure doesn't need it.
dC's still scum. My opinion on that hasn't changed.
I don't understand the move off of Seppel. Did I miss something in the fallout of his wagon where he townslipped or something? I also don't like or understand why the game has gone so incredibly quiet in the wake of Seppel's wagon. There's barely been any activity at all. I'd say that I would like to lynch someone before the game stalls and we lose momentum, but it seems as though that's already happened.
If we're looking at the Iso/Kami camp, I would prefer to lynch Kami to Iso, because I would both rather shut off scum!Kami's gift-giving, and because I have been townreading Iso. I would still prefer a Seppel/dC lynch to either of them, however.
@Proph: You're comparing one of the most painful mafia experiences I've ever had to this game, where people are actually listening (and even Hunger unvoted). You're completely ignoring the fact that we're all waiting on Iso to come down from the heavens to deliver us a message that will somehow prove that he isn't scum. Are you even reading this game? Do you have anything to say about the cases on the three obvscum?
The amount of ignorance in that post is excessive and Proph is degraded to ProbScum.
I think DCIII's case against dC is very compelling. I would prefer to lynch dC toDay because I am less sure about Seppel being scum than dC without first seeing the other's flip. I think that the Seppel wagon seems kinda rushed, and I particularly don't like Hunger's vote.
"Prefer to lynch dC toDay"
"particularly don't like Hunger's vote"
Why aren't you voting? It feels like your presence has gotten really minimal as D2 started to pass, and I know you're stingy with your vote, but your phrasing here suggests that you think dC/Hunger are reasonably likely scum, and
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I'll typically vote only when I am reasonably certain that a player is scum
By no means would I vote someone solely over a bad vote--it was noteworthy, but I think that later on when Hunger called out Hooker reflects favorably on him, so I don't really see that as concern at this point. As far as dC goes, he is now equatable with my other leaning scum reads, but the problem is that I haven't distinguished a clear reason at this point to vote him over any of my other scum reads. However, I'd lend support to a wagon on any of them.
Regarding my presence, I realize that I was much more active at the beginning of D2, but now I have dropped off significantly, and I'm sorry for this. The past two weeks have been a pretty abrupt transition in my life, as I've moved away from home, and it's taking some time to acclimate to a new lifestyle. My internet situation was pretty awful when I got here, but I picked up an ethernet cable last night, so I should have internet access much more frequently now.
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@Proph: You're comparing one of the most painful mafia experiences I've ever had to this game, where people are actually listening (and even Hunger unvoted). You're completely ignoring the fact that we're all waiting on Iso to come down from the heavens to deliver us a message that will somehow prove that he isn't scum. Are you even reading this game? Do you have anything to say about the cases on the three obvscum?
The amount of ignorance in that post is excessive and Proph is degraded to ProbScum.
When it's so willful like this it's not like he can say "oh I just didn't read your 20 posts about how these guys are scum, oh and I was completely oblivious to the differences between this game and Sesame Street."
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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@Proph: You're comparing one of the most painful mafia experiences I've ever had to this game, where people are actually listening (and even Hunger unvoted). You're completely ignoring the fact that we're all waiting on Iso to come down from the heavens to deliver us a message that will somehow prove that he isn't scum. Are you even reading this game? Do you have anything to say about the cases on the three obvscum?
As I mentioned before early D2, I think Iso is probably town because of the manner he claimed.
Your points on Rhand and Nati make no sense, and I don't get how they're "obvscum" at all (for example, how are the things you listed against Nati indicative of a scum mindset?)
I have no idea how you think LnG is town, especially after my case on him.
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I kind of want to lynch Proph now?
I will be nightkilled in this game. Don't waste your time.
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As far as dC goes, he is now equatable with my other leaning scum reads, but the problem is that I haven't distinguished a clear reason at this point to vote him over any of my other scum reads. However, I'd lend support to a wagon on any of them
OK.
Let's say that dC can't be lynched toDay. What's your opinion of Seppel and his wagon, then?
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I don't understand the move off of Seppel. Did I miss something in the fallout of his wagon where he townslipped or something? I also don't like or understand why the game has gone so incredibly quiet in the wake of Seppel's wagon. There's barely been any activity at all. I'd say that I would like to lynch someone before the game stalls and we lose momentum, but it seems as though that's already happened.
/barn
This game needs to get moving. We had a lot of energy when D2 started, but now I feel like as if it's petered out similarly to D1 and we're waiting on a couple of people.
[ProbScum] KamikazeArchon (r. Niv) (23) - I don't like anything he says. A scumIso flip practically guarantees he's scum (unless Iso is planning on me thinking that Kami is scum for Iso defending him so strongly).
[ProbScum] Rhand (18) - D1 push on AI; D2 says he knows things about the scumteam, lied about dodged questions.
[ProbScum] HookerPunch (21) - D1 let Wildfire off the hook; D2 Alway push, ignored me, voted me for no reason, and the "Icing"
[Scum] Iso (17) - Willful ignorance of reads changing, pushing on me and now preparing a case/response(?) instead of backing off.
@Proph: You're comparing one of the most painful mafia experiences I've ever had to this game, where people are actually listening (and even Hunger unvoted). You're completely ignoring the fact that we're all waiting on Iso to come down from the heavens to deliver us a message that will somehow prove that he isn't scum. Are you even reading this game? Do you have anything to say about the cases on the three obvscum?
As I mentioned before early D2, I think Iso is probably town because of the manner he claimed.
Your points on Rhand and Nati make no sense, and I don't get how they're "obvscum" at all (for example, how are the things you listed against Nati indicative of a scum mindset?)
I have no idea how you think LnG is town, especially after my case on him.
Maybe eating 12,000 dicks will get it through your head OH WAIT IT WON'T BECAUSE YOU'RE DODGING YOUR ORIGINAL POINT OF HOW YOU THINK MY PLAY HERE ISN'T LIKE MY PLAY IN SESAME STREET AND NOW YOU'RE JUST PROTECTING YOUR BUDDIES.
This game needs to get moving. We had a lot of energy when D2 started, but now I feel like as if it's petered out similarly to D1 and we're waiting on a couple of people.
Yeah, no; you of all people should know that me not posting is NEVER indicative of my alignment, but rather, my OoG circumstances, and I have said this many times in the past.
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@Seppel: So what happened to me being 'probably scum', then? Additionally, how do you reconcile this with your previous read toDay of me being 'leaning town'?
First off, reads can change all the time and you know it. Just because I think something at one point doesn't mean I have to think the same thing for the rest of the game. That's willful ignorance of new information and it'd make you a great politician.
Sure, reads change - but town reads don't change to scum reads when the person you're reading isn't doing scummy things. Literally the only reason you "changed your read" on me is because I'm pushing you and you think you can get me to back off - which is exactly what scumSeppel would do. townSeppel would try to dissuade me casually, yet you're flipping out about this.
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But hey let's look at EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT ISO'S ALIGNMENT TODAY, in chronological order:
Yeah. That's all. He was "leaning town" because I hadn't seen anything out of the ordinary, and then much later, after he started his dumb push on me, I don't feel good about Iso.
So then point stands that you are ONLY pushing me because I ran you up. Please explain to me how pushing one's scum reads = scum?
Iso seriously how many times have you played with me and we were both town? I got ML'd in Amistaria 3 (the burning couch episode) but I was able to find like 3 scum simply based on my wagon alone.
Coincidentally it happened on D2 once I started getting aggressive on people and dropping hints about my ability.
The EXACT SAME THING is happening this game and Iso isn't even addressing this!
Because the exact same thing isn't happening. You're playing completely differently from the townSeppel I'm used to and I think it's because you're scum. I keep setting you up to react in a manner akin to your town meta and you keep dropping the ball completely.
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Additionally, if I were scum, there'd have been a counter-wagon long before now.
The dC wagon would have taken off if I hadn't pushed you; there's your counter-wagon. It's hard to create a third wagon after 2 scum have been run up in a row. I strongly doubt that townSeppel would be acting this dumb about game flow. In addition, a counterwagon may not necessarily have taken off if enough people in the town thought you were scum. FALLACY
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First off, I said I could sum up my ability in 12 words:
Pay 1 vit: Bodyguard higher vit target from kills and vit loss.
I'm Deltrese's Esophagus, my ability name is Dragonforce, and I paid 1 vit to protect Wildfire. I think my ability is pointless because it just means I'm going to die faster than everyone else for a random chance of bodyguarding someone, but I used it anyway in hope that I don't completely understand the vit system. I have to choose a target that has a higher vit after the payment of vit, which, while it can make the ability function on most players N1, the vit payment and higher vit restriction really feels arbitrary.
Without any other driving force here, my ability, at best, causes a 1 vit loss. At worst, you lose a Seppel.
1. Botched name in your claim. And Esophagus? Really?
2. Your ability doesn't make you town, and in fact, the fact that you targeted Wildfire is a huge red flag.
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I'm an awful bodyguard variant.
And you're scum. So why should we keep you alive?
I mean, your case on me is so bad, I don't even see how you could possibly reasonably believe it. townSeppel would have more to work with if he genuinely believed I were scum. scumSeppel is obviously grasping at straws to get out of his lynch.
How was that one town post enough to change your opinion of Hooker? Also, the way you worded this it's like you were expecting Hooker to be town, why is that and why had you been calling her scum before this one post?
Was reading Hooker as scum until they did something townie because I almost always read that playstyle as scum until something townie is done.
@DC3: If there's anything you'd like me to respond to in that post that would in any way change your mind about me, please let me know what is most important to you. Yes I really want you to do this.
The most important thing is the feeling that I get about the way you're playing. Like, even now, last I saw you had a scum lean on me - but you're approaching me very diplomatically here and kind of appealing to me to change my mind, like you aren't really suspicious of me and are more concerned with what I think of you, which doesn't seem very you, to me. I feel like you're humoring some people more than I'm used to seeing from you and a lot of your posts feel designed to look care free/indignant. I think you're concerned about appearing a certain way this game.
You couldn't be more wrong. I asked you to say what was most important because I wanted a better read on you. I want to know if you're dumb town (who I have a chance of convincing) versus scum (who I obviously can't convince). I don't want to go through the effort of trying to convince a scum to stop voting me. That's bonkers and I've done it way too many times. Most recently with AI(?) in Amistaria 3.
In other words, I care more about getting a read on you than trying to defend a case. So keep attacking me if you dare. Show me who you are.
This seems very out of character for you.
In a vacuum, do you think this is a town post?
Absolutely not. The emoticons are forced and Seppel is obviously not comfortable with his response to DCIII here. Hell, if you look at Seppel's T/S list on the last page, the only reason he bumped DCIII up to town is to buddy him so that he can get DCIII to lynch me because DCIII has expressed doubt in me in the past few pages.
...and this isn't an indicator to you that Seppel is scum? He's obviously stalling to remove the momentum from his wagon. Hunger should feel bad for unvoting Seppel.
I thought that his point about Iso asking him how he reconciled his read change on him was a good one - and there's also something weird about Iso saying that Seppel wouldn't counter-vote him if he were Town... he would if he legit thought Iso was scum for his reasoning. Telling someone what they wouldn't do vote-wise as Town is a weird thing because it assumes a lot about a person's reads, where telling them what they would do as scum makes more sense because reads aren't the issue, it's game strategy. A townSeppel wouldn't be guided by any standard voting rules, he'd be guided by his reads - where I feel like a scumSeppel would probably be unlikely to OMGUS Iso there and escalate that situation more.
It's absolutely not a good point. You, yourself, said that you felt better about me as a result of my posts around that timeframe - so how does it make sense to you that Seppel would draw the opposite conclusion? What's weird about me knowing how my own brother reacts in certain situations as specific alignments when I've played most of my games with him with him being that alignment? Look back on past games with townIso and townSeppel; this is NOT how townSeppel reacts to townIso's pushes. Cyberspace Mafia is the perfect example of this. As for the thing about telling someone what they wouldn't do as town, uh, given that I'm scumreading Seppel, it makes perfect sense that I would think he'd play to his scum game here, no? So given that I know how a townSeppel would react to my own play, it's a logical conclusion that I would know when Seppel isn't reacting naturally to something I've done. townSeppel WOULD be guided by his reads - which is why it's absolutely improbable that Seppel, at this point, would have any sort of scum read on me. scumSeppel, on the other hand, falls directly into the "counter-vote Iso" range of play because he's afraid of being lynched and his team losing him.
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I'd like pretty much everyone to weigh in on this debate and explain in detail why they come down on one side or the other.
I think DCIII's case against dC is very compelling. I would prefer to lynch dC toDay because I am less sure about Seppel being scum than dC without first seeing the other's flip. I think that the Seppel wagon seems kinda rushed, and I particularly don't like Hunger's vote.
You'll have to forgive me for not caring when you haven't explained any of this in detail.
I'm slightly torn on Seppel at the moment.
I know from my last game with him that, as scum, he will absolutely pore over a thread overnight to find any hint of an ability breadcrumb to aim the nightkill at. So I can't buy scum!Seppel missing that I softclaimed BP.
Then again, if he was scum, he'd obviously not want to risk putting himself in the way of a vig shot, so maybe he targeted me because, having softclaimed BP, I was almost certainly not going to be vigged overnight.
But then why target anyone? So he can get minor towncred by showing that his ability cost 1 vitality?
So I'm still feeling town. I'm just remaining on alert for any inconsistencies.
So, isn't that a good indicator that Seppel picked up your breadcrumb? Because scumSeppel would absolutely want to stay alive in the event that he gets Vigged...so why not target a Bulletproof townie as a Bodyguard when the interaction there is likely that neither of you will die? Additionally, it's a great way for him to use his ability on an "easy" town read instead of doing anything useful with it. Especially since there's absolutely no chance of him dying by targeting you in the event that you're Vigged. Basically, this whole action reeks of scum pretending to white knight a bumbling townie.
I agree that it's hard to unring that "says that I'm town" bell... hard to play trying to ignore something like that, and I don't know that we should because that's coloring my opinion whether I reference it openly or not.
[Town] Megiddo (58) - There's no reason to believe he's not town. Unless he's some sort of weird "I AM ALL PLANES" character, in which case I don't even care.
[Town] hansanator (21) - Actions and behavior, by all accounts town.
[Town] Wildfire393 (21) - Behaviorally town.
[ProbTown] Arianrhod (21) - I like his posts, but I'd like him to post more.
[ProbTown] LnGrrrR (17) - I hear the ignorance in his posts. His night action makes no sense from a scum perspective.
[ProbTown] DCIII (40) - His posts are so dumb, but the more he talks, the more town he sounds.
[LeanTown] Prophylaxis (26) - ScumProph lurks. He's paying attention and not lurking, but his content isn't exciting.
[LeanTown] Hunger (r. EtR) (21) - He unvoted me when I was at L-1.
[LeanTown] Sir Karn (17) - He's being an ass and tuning out of the game instead of paying attention.
[Meh] Cythare (21) - I can't remember a thing he's done. He should probably do something.
[Meh] rezombied (21) - Do something please.
[Meh] desCoures (21) - I don't like that he hasn't placed a serious vote on anyone. Saving grace is that I made him mad. He usually just dodges me when he's scum.
[LeanScum] dkingsland967 (r.kpaca) (21) - I've forgotten why I don't like him. Probably because he isn't posting.
[ProbScum] KamikazeArchon (r. Niv) (23) - I don't like anything he says. A scumIso flip practically guarantees he's scum (unless Iso is planning on me thinking that Kami is scum for Iso defending him so strongly).
[ProbScum] Rhand (18) - D1 push on AI; D2 says he knows things about the scumteam, lied about dodged questions.
[ProbScum] HookerPunch (21) - D1 let Wildfire off the hook; D2 Alway push, ignored me, voted me for no reason, and the "Icing"
[Scum] Iso (17) - Willful ignorance of reads changing, pushing on me and now preparing a case/response(?) instead of backing off.
This list is godawful and draws a map directly to your scumbuddies. Get lynched.
Still want to lynch Seppel. He's acting really conciliatory towards his lynch, which is in total contrast to Sesame Street and Amistarian III Mafia.
In Sesame Street (as town), Seppel started to get all frustrated/passionate about the game on how he was the only one putting work in, IIRC. The amount of genuine frustration is totally different from the two games - in Sesame Street it felt like he was gnashing his teeth to get me lynched, while in here he's calling Iso scum, but I'm not seeing any passion.
You can compare:
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The silence is fun. You can go ahead and move your votes over to Iso now.
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I need two of Generic, Nny, and RR to vote Proph.
And if you don't in your next post, I expect a good case for why Proph is town.
Otherwise I'm replacing out because nobody is putting any effort into this game, and it's miserable.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Sure, reads change - but town reads don't change to scum reads when the person you're reading isn't doing scummy things. Literally the only reason you "changed your read" on me is because I'm pushing you and you think you can get me to back off - which is exactly what scumSeppel would do. townSeppel would try to dissuade me casually, yet you're flipping out about this.
Except that's not true. I thought you were dumb for starting this push, and now that you're not stopping, you're just scum.
Because the exact same thing isn't happening. You're playing completely differently from the townSeppel I'm used to and I think it's because you're scum. I keep setting you up to react in a manner akin to your town meta and you keep dropping the ball completely.
The dC wagon would have taken off if I hadn't pushed you; there's your counter-wagon. It's hard to create a third wagon after 2 scum have been run up in a row. I strongly doubt that townSeppel would be acting this dumb about game flow. In addition, a counterwagon may not necessarily have taken off if enough people in the town thought you were scum. FALLACY
You're calling a wagon that wasn't a wagon a wagon.
1. Botched name in your claim. And Esophagus? Really?
2. Your ability doesn't make you town, and in fact, the fact that you targeted Wildfire is a huge red flag.
1. You're scum for even trying to make this a thing.
2. Please point to where I said that my ability is indicative of my alignment. Also, your team really likes using the term "red flag."
I hadn't considered that perspective re: targeting wildfire.
Consider me intrigued. Monitoring thread.
Things you addressed to me:
- I don't think I ever said I was townreading you? Maybe I did, but I don't think so. But if you remember my PM to the mod, I redacted a scumread. That was you.
- I can't talk about it yet because I'm still waiting for something to happen. If it doesn't then that's an indication that I'm wrong. No sense wasting time about it yet. You'll hear about it if it comes up.
- Re: Day 2: I have seen many games with a D1 mislynch and a D2 scum lynch that ended up petering out in the mid/end game due to the lack of interactions on D2. The reason I was trying to slow the wagon somewhat was that if Seppel is scum here I want to make sure we have enough interactions Today to look at.
Wth Seppel... Can you throw more random accusations at me?
I want my vote back
Seppel messed up his claim. We're all parts of the same entity. Getting that one wrong probably means it's not in his role PM. I also can't believe he would risk his own life for Wildfire of all people.
We've been discussing extensively the (potential) existence of Yblisa and Voes within the game, who are not part of Demernae, yes? I find it hard to believe that Rhand missed that entirety this whole game. Rhand does like to feign ignorance as scum though. I also don't know if all of the townies are part of Demernae. So far all of the claims support that... but we don't know for sure. Hence, a faked slip. It's not a scum slip though unless by chance all of the scum are also part of Demernae, but we have no way of knowing that yet.
As a tangent to this, should Seppel be scum I think this post is pretty good support for Rhand being his buddy.
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
I chose Wildfire because with Killjoy flipping town, he was the only one who I felt was townie enough to target (aside from Megs, but you said you didn't need help).
I'm still not sure there's any point to me using my ability, but if I still have enough detractors, I can keep using it in hope of soaking a nightkill.
Megs is there any reason you're not voting Iso yet?
We're going to Erhamen at some point (6 vit loss), but other than that we'll be losing 4 vit per day/night cycle
Starting from now and assuming no more vit shenanigans...
D3: Total 4 vit lost
D4: Total 8 vit lost
D5: Total 14 vit lost (this is when we go to Erhamen I think)
D6: Total 18 vit lost; the following people die:
* Iso (17)
* Sir Karn (17)
* LnGrrrR (17)
* Rhand (18)
D7: Total 22 vit lost; the following people die:
* Seppel (20)
* Cythare (21)
* hansanator (21)
* Hunger (r. EtR) (21)
* Arianrhod (21)
* HookerPunch (21)
* Wildfire393 (21)
* dkingsland967 (r.kpaca) (21)
* rezombied (21)
* desCoures (21)
D8: Total 26 vit lost; the following people die:
* KamikazeArchon (r. Niv) (23)
* Prophylaxis (26)
DXX: The following people are pretty much invincible:
* DCIII (40)
* Megiddo (58)
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If I keep using my ability each night, I'll die no later than the beginning of D6.
So really if anyone truly thinks I'm scum, you have nothing to worry about because I can just accelerate myself to death. And if I soak a kill or vit loss in the process, then hooray.
We're going to Erhamen at some point (6 vit loss), but other than that we'll be losing 4 vit per day/night cycle
Starting from now and assuming no more vit shenanigans...
D3: Total 4 vit lost
D4: Total 8 vit lost
D5: Total 14 vit lost (this is when we go to Erhamen I think)
D6: Total 18 vit lost; the following people die:
* Iso (17)
* Sir Karn (17)
* LnGrrrR (17)
* Rhand (18)
D7: Total 22 vit lost; the following people die:
* Seppel (20)
* Cythare (21)
* hansanator (21)
* Hunger (r. EtR) (21)
* Arianrhod (21)
* HookerPunch (21)
* Wildfire393 (21)
* dkingsland967 (r.kpaca) (21)
* rezombied (21)
* desCoures (21)
D8: Total 26 vit lost; the following people die:
* KamikazeArchon (r. Niv) (23)
* Prophylaxis (26)
DXX: The following people are pretty much invincible:
* DCIII (40)
* Megiddo (58)
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If I keep using my ability each night, I'll die no later than the beginning of D6.
So really if anyone truly thinks I'm scum, you have nothing to worry about because I can just accelerate myself to death. And if I soak a kill or vit loss in the process, then hooray.
What was the point of this post?
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i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
I chose Wildfire because with Killjoy flipping town, he was the only one who I felt was townie enough to target (aside from Megs, but you said you didn't need help).
I'm still not sure there's any point to me using my ability, but if I still have enough detractors, I can keep using it in hope of soaking a nightkill.
Megs is there any reason you're not voting Iso yet?
I said I didn't need help raising my vitality. How did you extract "did not need to be protected" from that?
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i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
Sure, reads change - but town reads don't change to scum reads when the person you're reading isn't doing scummy things. Literally the only reason you "changed your read" on me is because I'm pushing you and you think you can get me to back off - which is exactly what scumSeppel would do. townSeppel would try to dissuade me casually, yet you're flipping out about this.
Except that's not true. I thought you were dumb for starting this push, and now that you're not stopping, you're just scum.
Except you're lying about what you'd do in this case. So again, after your pitiful rebuttal, why shouldn't I keep pushing you?
Because the exact same thing isn't happening. You're playing completely differently from the townSeppel I'm used to and I think it's because you're scum. I keep setting you up to react in a manner akin to your town meta and you keep dropping the ball completely.
[citation needed]
how about every single instance of it I've pointed out
The dC wagon would have taken off if I hadn't pushed you; there's your counter-wagon. It's hard to create a third wagon after 2 scum have been run up in a row. I strongly doubt that townSeppel would be acting this dumb about game flow. In addition, a counterwagon may not necessarily have taken off if enough people in the town thought you were scum. FALLACY
You're calling a wagon that wasn't a wagon a wagon. [/quote]
I'd consider you having gotten to L-1 a wagon; I doubt I'm in the minority.
1. Botched name in your claim. And Esophagus? Really?
2. Your ability doesn't make you town, and in fact, the fact that you targeted Wildfire is a huge red flag.
1. You're scum for even trying to make this a thing.
2. Please point to where I said that my ability is indicative of my alignment. Also, your team really likes using the term "red flag."
Get lynched.[/quote]
1. ROFL. Says the guy who's trying to use something about role PM formatting the mod said not to touch on as a point against me.
2. I never said you said that - I'm saying that people shouldn't be unvoting you "because bodyguard". I wasn't aware any particular alignment used the phrase "red flag" often; please point out all of the recent times that townies have used "red flag" so I know you're not just buttering me up to conveniently change your read on me. Actually, I'm pretty sure the last game you pushed me in was Eeveelution...where you were scum. Imagine that.
- I don't think I ever said I was townreading you? Maybe I did, but I don't think so. But if you remember my PM to the mod, I redacted a scumread. That was you.
Weird. Maybe I just didn't see how you could possibly be scumreading me.
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- I can't talk about it yet because I'm still waiting for something to happen. If it doesn't then that's an indication that I'm wrong. No sense wasting time about it yet. You'll hear about it if it comes up.
And if it doesn't, I'd like to know what it is.
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- Re: Day 2: I have seen many games with a D1 mislynch and a D2 scum lynch that ended up petering out in the mid/end game due to the lack of interactions on D2. The reason I was trying to slow the wagon somewhat was that if Seppel is scum here I want to make sure we have enough interactions Today to look at.
Wth Seppel... Can you throw more random accusations at me?
I want my vote back
Seppel messed up his claim. We're all parts of the same entity. Getting that one wrong probably means it's not in his role PM. I also can't believe he would risk his own life for Wildfire of all people.
We've been discussing extensively the (potential) existence of Yblisa and Voes within the game, who are not part of Demernae, yes? I find it hard to believe that Rhand missed that entirety this whole game. Rhand does like to feign ignorance as scum though. I also don't know if all of the townies are part of Demernae. So far all of the claims support that... but we don't know for sure. Hence, a faked slip. It's not a scum slip though unless by chance all of the scum are also part of Demernae, but we have no way of knowing that yet.
As a tangent to this, should Seppel be scum I think this post is pretty good support for Rhand being his buddy.
I'm not sure I agree. I've been waffling on Rhand but it's hard not to like him when he wants to lynch Seppel with me.
We're going to Erhamen at some point (6 vit loss), but other than that we'll be losing 4 vit per day/night cycle
Starting from now and assuming no more vit shenanigans...
D3: Total 4 vit lost
D4: Total 8 vit lost
D5: Total 14 vit lost (this is when we go to Erhamen I think)
D6: Total 18 vit lost; the following people die:
* Iso (17)
* Sir Karn (17)
* LnGrrrR (17)
* Rhand (18)
D7: Total 22 vit lost; the following people die:
* Seppel (20)
* Cythare (21)
* hansanator (21)
* Hunger (r. EtR) (21)
* Arianrhod (21)
* HookerPunch (21)
* Wildfire393 (21)
* dkingsland967 (r.kpaca) (21)
* rezombied (21)
* desCoures (21)
D8: Total 26 vit lost; the following people die:
* KamikazeArchon (r. Niv) (23)
* Prophylaxis (26)
DXX: The following people are pretty much invincible:
* DCIII (40)
* Megiddo (58)
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If I keep using my ability each night, I'll die no later than the beginning of D6.
So really if anyone truly thinks I'm scum, you have nothing to worry about because I can just accelerate myself to death. And if I soak a kill or vit loss in the process, then hooray.
[quote from="Seppel »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/563580-celestial-mafia-day-2-lost-and-gone-forever?comment=2378"]We're going to Erhamen at some point (6 vit loss), but other than that we'll be losing 4 vit per day/night cycle
Starting from now and assuming no more vit shenanigans...
D3: Total 4 vit lost
D4: Total 8 vit lost
D5: Total 14 vit lost (this is when we go to Erhamen I think)
D6: Total 18 vit lost; the following people die:
* Iso (17)
* Sir Karn (17)
* LnGrrrR (17)
* Rhand (18)
D7: Total 22 vit lost; the following people die:
* Seppel (20)
* Cythare (21)
* hansanator (21)
* Hunger (r. EtR) (21)
* Arianrhod (21)
* HookerPunch (21)
* Wildfire393 (21)
* dkingsland967 (r.kpaca) (21)
* rezombied (21)
* desCoures (21)
D8: Total 26 vit lost; the following people die:
* KamikazeArchon (r. Niv) (23)
* Prophylaxis (26)
DXX: The following people are pretty much invincible:
* DCIII (40)
* Megiddo (58)
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If I keep using my ability each night, I'll die no later than the beginning of D6.
So really if anyone truly thinks I'm scum, you have nothing to worry about because I can just accelerate myself to death. And if I soak a kill or vit loss in the process, then hooray.
What was the point of this post?
I know how I want to answer this.
But instead, I'll ask you: Why does it feel like you're being intentionally obtuse to Seppel's actions? You're asking questions that seem like they have painfully obvious answers and it feels like it's to stall from putting your vote on Seppel.
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So really if anyone truly thinks I'm scum, you have nothing to worry about because I can just accelerate myself to death. And if I soak a kill or vit loss in the process, then hooray.
What was the point of this post?[/quote]
The point is that I'll die before everyone else so why even bother lynching me even if you think I'm scum???
Also because multiquoting is annoying, to answer your other question, I'm under the assumption that you can't be raised or lowered.
Also, to rephrase, you're calling the dC vote(?) a wagon.
1.DEFLECTION!
2a. Nobody has unvoted me because I'm a bodyguard. It's pointless and weaselly for you to even bring it up.
2b. So that's three instances of "red flag" being used by scum. You and Rhand in this game, and me in a game where I'm scum. Brilliant argument.
Which was, in this case? Because I've said a lot of things about you this game.
Quote from Seppel »
Also, to rephrase, you're calling the dC vote(?) a wagon.
No. I'm saying it would have been a wagon. Don't pretend you're stupid - it doesn't suit you.
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1.DEFLECTION!
It's not a deflection - it's pointing out why your argument is garbage, unless you're claiming scum; and if that's the case, please, keep performing actions that you are condemning. It'll make it that much easier to bury you.
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2a. Nobody has unvoted me because I'm a bodyguard. It's pointless and weaselly for you to even bring it up.
And nobody should, is what my point is. What's weaselly is that you're trying to make it seem like you used your ability in a pro-town way when it was only pro-Seppel.
Quote from Seppel »
2b. So that's three instances of "red flag" being used by scum. You and Rhand in this game, and me in a game where I'm scum. Brilliant argument.
And how stupid are you going to feel when I turn out to be town, if you are, in fact, town? And what other instance are you referring to? Unless you're intentionally twisting my question/statement, in which case, stop and give me a straight response.
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Everything about Iso's post is just pure lies. If people can't see through how stupid Iso's posts are, then I don't want to be in this game any more.
Except to answer the question, Rhand called an innocuous post of AI's a "Red Flag."
Activity has plummeted. In everyone's next post, I'd like you to say whether or not you see what I'm seeing.
Activity has plummeted because half of us want to lynch you and are waiting for the others to figure it out.
Your "I'll die anyway" post does nothing for your defense. First of all, it rests on the premise that there are no more Vitality shenanigans, which is incredibly unlikely. Second, even if that premise were true, it also assumes that we'll even make it to day 6 - which will only happen if we start lynching scum. We don't have the luxury of leaving scum around for later.
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Waiting on Iso as well.
I agree that it's hard to unring that "says that I'm town" bell... hard to play trying to ignore something like that, and I don't know that we should because that's coloring my opinion whether I reference it openly or not.
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I'm not getting lynched though.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Either way, we're all gonna burn
If I had to choose which of you I'd like to lynch first... well, seems like a good time for a T/S list!
[Town] Megiddo (58) - There's no reason to believe he's not town. Unless he's some sort of weird "I AM ALL PLANES" character, in which case I don't even care.
[Town] hansanator (21) - Actions and behavior, by all accounts town.
[Town] Wildfire393 (21) - Behaviorally town.
[ProbTown] Arianrhod (21) - I like his posts, but I'd like him to post more.
[ProbTown] LnGrrrR (17) - I hear the ignorance in his posts. His night action makes no sense from a scum perspective.
[ProbTown] DCIII (40) - His posts are so dumb, but the more he talks, the more town he sounds.
[LeanTown] Prophylaxis (26) - ScumProph lurks. He's paying attention and not lurking, but his content isn't exciting.
[LeanTown] Hunger (r. EtR) (21) - He unvoted me when I was at L-1.
[LeanTown] Sir Karn (17) - He's being an ass and tuning out of the game instead of paying attention.
[Meh] Cythare (21) - I can't remember a thing he's done. He should probably do something.
[Meh] rezombied (21) - Do something please.
[Meh] desCoures (21) - I don't like that he hasn't placed a serious vote on anyone. Saving grace is that I made him mad. He usually just dodges me when he's scum.
[LeanScum] dkingsland967 (r.kpaca) (21) - I've forgotten why I don't like him. Probably because he isn't posting.
[ProbScum] KamikazeArchon (r. Niv) (23) - I don't like anything he says. A scumIso flip practically guarantees he's scum (unless Iso is planning on me thinking that Kami is scum for Iso defending him so strongly).
[ProbScum] Rhand (18) - D1 push on AI; D2 says he knows things about the scumteam, lied about dodged questions.
[ProbScum] HookerPunch (21) - D1 let Wildfire off the hook; D2 Alway push, ignored me, voted me for no reason, and the "Icing"
[Scum] Iso (17) - Willful ignorance of reads changing, pushing on me and now preparing a case/response(?) instead of backing off.
In Sesame Street (as town), Seppel started to get all frustrated/passionate about the game on how he was the only one putting work in, IIRC. The amount of genuine frustration is totally different from the two games - in Sesame Street it felt like he was gnashing his teeth to get me lynched, while in here he's calling Iso scum, but I'm not seeing any passion.
You can compare:
"Prefer to lynch dC toDay"
"particularly don't like Hunger's vote"
Why aren't you voting? It feels like your presence has gotten really minimal as D2 started to pass, and I know you're stingy with your vote, but your phrasing here suggests that you think dC/Hunger are reasonably likely scum, and
I wasn't planning on it. His last post infuriates me on every level. Considering that I know that I'm town, all of his "I hope you're scum because this is so terrible that you're an awful human being that die in a fire" rhetoric offends me personally. I called it like I see it. He apparently takes an issue with that, and that's fine -- it's out there and other people can judge it now. If I respond to dC's last response, all it'll do is likely incite me to a spittle-wielding frenzy, so I'm just not going to do it. My blood pressure doesn't need it.
dC's still scum. My opinion on that hasn't changed.
I don't understand the move off of Seppel. Did I miss something in the fallout of his wagon where he townslipped or something? I also don't like or understand why the game has gone so incredibly quiet in the wake of Seppel's wagon. There's barely been any activity at all. I'd say that I would like to lynch someone before the game stalls and we lose momentum, but it seems as though that's already happened.
If we're looking at the Iso/Kami camp, I would prefer to lynch Kami to Iso, because I would both rather shut off scum!Kami's gift-giving, and because I have been townreading Iso. I would still prefer a Seppel/dC lynch to either of them, however.
The amount of ignorance in that post is excessive and Proph is degraded to ProbScum.
By no means would I vote someone solely over a bad vote--it was noteworthy, but I think that later on when Hunger called out Hooker reflects favorably on him, so I don't really see that as concern at this point. As far as dC goes, he is now equatable with my other leaning scum reads, but the problem is that I haven't distinguished a clear reason at this point to vote him over any of my other scum reads. However, I'd lend support to a wagon on any of them.
Regarding my presence, I realize that I was much more active at the beginning of D2, but now I have dropped off significantly, and I'm sorry for this. The past two weeks have been a pretty abrupt transition in my life, as I've moved away from home, and it's taking some time to acclimate to a new lifestyle. My internet situation was pretty awful when I got here, but I picked up an ethernet cable last night, so I should have internet access much more frequently now.
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
I kind of want to lynch Proph now?
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Blue's usually a pretty good indicator that you're town.
So, I'm definitely 100% responding to things when I wake up. It's been a long week and real life happened. But I will have my moment.
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As I mentioned before early D2, I think Iso is probably town because of the manner he claimed.
Your points on Rhand and Nati make no sense, and I don't get how they're "obvscum" at all (for example, how are the things you listed against Nati indicative of a scum mindset?)
I have no idea how you think LnG is town, especially after my case on him.
I will be nightkilled in this game. Don't waste your time.
OK.
Let's say that dC can't be lynched toDay. What's your opinion of Seppel and his wagon, then?
/barn
This game needs to get moving. We had a lot of energy when D2 started, but now I feel like as if it's petered out similarly to D1 and we're waiting on a couple of people.
Pretty sure we are lynching scum with Seppel.
How did 2 of your "ProbScum" degrade to "obvscum" in 4 posts that weren´t even theirs?
Maybe eating 12,000 dicks will get it through your head OH WAIT IT WON'T BECAUSE YOU'RE DODGING YOUR ORIGINAL POINT OF HOW YOU THINK MY PLAY HERE ISN'T LIKE MY PLAY IN SESAME STREET AND NOW YOU'RE JUST PROTECTING YOUR BUDDIES.
LIKE SERIOUSLY THE DEFLECTION HERE IS PAINFUL.
THAT'S BECAUSE ISO IS STALLING AND YOU KNOW IT.
Starting my catch-up.
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Sure, reads change - but town reads don't change to scum reads when the person you're reading isn't doing scummy things. Literally the only reason you "changed your read" on me is because I'm pushing you and you think you can get me to back off - which is exactly what scumSeppel would do. townSeppel would try to dissuade me casually, yet you're flipping out about this.
So then point stands that you are ONLY pushing me because I ran you up. Please explain to me how pushing one's scum reads = scum?
Because the exact same thing isn't happening. You're playing completely differently from the townSeppel I'm used to and I think it's because you're scum. I keep setting you up to react in a manner akin to your town meta and you keep dropping the ball completely.
The dC wagon would have taken off if I hadn't pushed you; there's your counter-wagon. It's hard to create a third wagon after 2 scum have been run up in a row. I strongly doubt that townSeppel would be acting this dumb about game flow. In addition, a counterwagon may not necessarily have taken off if enough people in the town thought you were scum. FALLACY
1. Botched name in your claim. And Esophagus? Really?
2. Your ability doesn't make you town, and in fact, the fact that you targeted Wildfire is a huge red flag.
And you're scum. So why should we keep you alive?
I mean, your case on me is so bad, I don't even see how you could possibly reasonably believe it. townSeppel would have more to work with if he genuinely believed I were scum. scumSeppel is obviously grasping at straws to get out of his lynch.
Was reading Hooker as scum until they did something townie because I almost always read that playstyle as scum until something townie is done.
Absolutely not. The emoticons are forced and Seppel is obviously not comfortable with his response to DCIII here. Hell, if you look at Seppel's T/S list on the last page, the only reason he bumped DCIII up to town is to buddy him so that he can get DCIII to lynch me because DCIII has expressed doubt in me in the past few pages.
many panic
such scum
If you've been townreading me, then why is it a problem if we lynch who I want to lynch?
...and this isn't an indicator to you that Seppel is scum? He's obviously stalling to remove the momentum from his wagon. Hunger should feel bad for unvoting Seppel.
So talk about it. If there were ever a time to get me lynched, it would be now, when you can detract from scumSeppel's wagon and shift the flow to me.
Right...yet apparently you're going to ignore my fullclaim.
Why? RE: Day 2
I don't see what you're talking about RE: Rhand
It's absolutely not a good point. You, yourself, said that you felt better about me as a result of my posts around that timeframe - so how does it make sense to you that Seppel would draw the opposite conclusion? What's weird about me knowing how my own brother reacts in certain situations as specific alignments when I've played most of my games with him with him being that alignment? Look back on past games with townIso and townSeppel; this is NOT how townSeppel reacts to townIso's pushes. Cyberspace Mafia is the perfect example of this. As for the thing about telling someone what they wouldn't do as town, uh, given that I'm scumreading Seppel, it makes perfect sense that I would think he'd play to his scum game here, no? So given that I know how a townSeppel would react to my own play, it's a logical conclusion that I would know when Seppel isn't reacting naturally to something I've done. townSeppel WOULD be guided by his reads - which is why it's absolutely improbable that Seppel, at this point, would have any sort of scum read on me. scumSeppel, on the other hand, falls directly into the "counter-vote Iso" range of play because he's afraid of being lynched and his team losing him.
Why can't you come to the conclusions yourself?
You'll have to forgive me for not caring when you haven't explained any of this in detail.
If you're town: Why are you playing so badly?
If you're scum: Keep it up.
Right...because Seppel knows that I've NEVER put my foot in my mouth in a game of Mafia, right?
So forced. So desperate for the counterwagon to take off.
Thank you for the input.
So, isn't that a good indicator that Seppel picked up your breadcrumb? Because scumSeppel would absolutely want to stay alive in the event that he gets Vigged...so why not target a Bulletproof townie as a Bodyguard when the interaction there is likely that neither of you will die? Additionally, it's a great way for him to use his ability on an "easy" town read instead of doing anything useful with it. Especially since there's absolutely no chance of him dying by targeting you in the event that you're Vigged. Basically, this whole action reeks of scum pretending to white knight a bumbling townie.
I expected better from you, as well.
This list is godawful and draws a map directly to your scumbuddies. Get lynched.
It bothers me that I'm agreeing with you.
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Except that's not true. I thought you were dumb for starting this push, and now that you're not stopping, you're just scum.
[citation needed]
You're calling a wagon that wasn't a wagon a wagon.
1. You're scum for even trying to make this a thing.
2. Please point to where I said that my ability is indicative of my alignment. Also, your team really likes using the term "red flag."
Get lynched.
Consider me intrigued. Monitoring thread.
Things you addressed to me:
- I don't think I ever said I was townreading you? Maybe I did, but I don't think so. But if you remember my PM to the mod, I redacted a scumread. That was you.
- I can't talk about it yet because I'm still waiting for something to happen. If it doesn't then that's an indication that I'm wrong. No sense wasting time about it yet. You'll hear about it if it comes up.
- Re: Day 2: I have seen many games with a D1 mislynch and a D2 scum lynch that ended up petering out in the mid/end game due to the lack of interactions on D2. The reason I was trying to slow the wagon somewhat was that if Seppel is scum here I want to make sure we have enough interactions Today to look at.
- Rhand's faked townslip was this (bolded):
We've been discussing extensively the (potential) existence of Yblisa and Voes within the game, who are not part of Demernae, yes? I find it hard to believe that Rhand missed that entirety this whole game. Rhand does like to feign ignorance as scum though. I also don't know if all of the townies are part of Demernae. So far all of the claims support that... but we don't know for sure. Hence, a faked slip. It's not a scum slip though unless by chance all of the scum are also part of Demernae, but we have no way of knowing that yet.
As a tangent to this, should Seppel be scum I think this post is pretty good support for Rhand being his buddy.
I'm still not sure there's any point to me using my ability, but if I still have enough detractors, I can keep using it in hope of soaking a nightkill.
Megs is there any reason you're not voting Iso yet?
Starting from now and assuming no more vit shenanigans...
D3: Total 4 vit lost
D4: Total 8 vit lost
D5: Total 14 vit lost (this is when we go to Erhamen I think)
D6: Total 18 vit lost; the following people die:
* Iso (17)
* Sir Karn (17)
* LnGrrrR (17)
* Rhand (18)
D7: Total 22 vit lost; the following people die:
* Seppel (20)
* Cythare (21)
* hansanator (21)
* Hunger (r. EtR) (21)
* Arianrhod (21)
* HookerPunch (21)
* Wildfire393 (21)
* dkingsland967 (r.kpaca) (21)
* rezombied (21)
* desCoures (21)
D8: Total 26 vit lost; the following people die:
* KamikazeArchon (r. Niv) (23)
* Prophylaxis (26)
DXX: The following people are pretty much invincible:
* DCIII (40)
* Megiddo (58)
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If I keep using my ability each night, I'll die no later than the beginning of D6.
So really if anyone truly thinks I'm scum, you have nothing to worry about because I can just accelerate myself to death. And if I soak a kill or vit loss in the process, then hooray.
dkingsland (1) - Megiddo
Iso (1) - Seppel
Sir Karn (1) - LnGrrrR
Arianrhiod (1) - desCoures
Megiddo (1) - rezombied
Abstaining - Hunger, hansanator, Wildfire393, dkingsland, DCIII
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People not on the Seppel wagon need to tell us why they aren't voting Seppel.
Of course you can.
Except you're lying about what you'd do in this case. So again, after your pitiful rebuttal, why shouldn't I keep pushing you?
how about every single instance of it I've pointed out
You're calling a wagon that wasn't a wagon a wagon. [/quote]
I'd consider you having gotten to L-1 a wagon; I doubt I'm in the minority.
Way to completely avoid addressing the point.
1. You're scum for even trying to make this a thing.
2. Please point to where I said that my ability is indicative of my alignment. Also, your team really likes using the term "red flag."
Get lynched.[/quote]
1. ROFL. Says the guy who's trying to use something about role PM formatting the mod said not to touch on as a point against me.
2. I never said you said that - I'm saying that people shouldn't be unvoting you "because bodyguard". I wasn't aware any particular alignment used the phrase "red flag" often; please point out all of the recent times that townies have used "red flag" so I know you're not just buttering me up to conveniently change your read on me. Actually, I'm pretty sure the last game you pushed me in was Eeveelution...where you were scum. Imagine that.
Weird. Maybe I just didn't see how you could possibly be scumreading me.
And if it doesn't, I'd like to know what it is.
You don't think we have enough as-is?
I'm not sure I agree. I've been waffling on Rhand but it's hard not to like him when he wants to lynch Seppel with me.
I know how I want to answer this.
But instead, I'll ask you: Why does it feel like you're being intentionally obtuse to Seppel's actions? You're asking questions that seem like they have painfully obvious answers and it feels like it's to stall from putting your vote on Seppel.
So...why?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The point is that I'll die before everyone else so why even bother lynching me even if you think I'm scum???
Also because multiquoting is annoying, to answer your other question, I'm under the assumption that you can't be raised or lowered.
Also, to rephrase, you're calling the dC vote(?) a wagon.
1.DEFLECTION!
2a. Nobody has unvoted me because I'm a bodyguard. It's pointless and weaselly for you to even bring it up.
2b. So that's three instances of "red flag" being used by scum. You and Rhand in this game, and me in a game where I'm scum. Brilliant argument.
The answer I wanted to give, now that Seppel has answered, was, "Because he has to make a list to look like he's doing anything useful, at all.
Which was, in this case? Because I've said a lot of things about you this game.
No. I'm saying it would have been a wagon. Don't pretend you're stupid - it doesn't suit you.
It's not a deflection - it's pointing out why your argument is garbage, unless you're claiming scum; and if that's the case, please, keep performing actions that you are condemning. It'll make it that much easier to bury you.
And nobody should, is what my point is. What's weaselly is that you're trying to make it seem like you used your ability in a pro-town way when it was only pro-Seppel.
And how stupid are you going to feel when I turn out to be town, if you are, in fact, town? And what other instance are you referring to? Unless you're intentionally twisting my question/statement, in which case, stop and give me a straight response.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Will have time to give thoughts tonight.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Except to answer the question, Rhand called an innocuous post of AI's a "Red Flag."
Activity has plummeted. In everyone's next post, I'd like you to say whether or not you see what I'm seeing.
What changed?
Oh look, now the AtE kicks in after Proph brought it up.
And my other questions?
In everyone's next post, I'd like you to vote Seppel if you're not already.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Your "I'll die anyway" post does nothing for your defense. First of all, it rests on the premise that there are no more Vitality shenanigans, which is incredibly unlikely. Second, even if that premise were true, it also assumes that we'll even make it to day 6 - which will only happen if we start lynching scum. We don't have the luxury of leaving scum around for later.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Let's just lynch him and save zindabad the trouble of finding a replacement.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
vote seppel
no patience for this
Seppel (9) - HookerPunch, Iso, KamikazeArchon, Sir Karn, Cythare, Arianrhiod, Prophylaxis, DCIII, Megiddo
Iso (1) - Seppel
Sir Karn (1) - LnGrrrR
Arianrhiod (1) - desCoures
Megiddo (1) - rezombied
With 18 alive, it's 10 to lynch or move.
At the end of the day, after the lynch, you will move to Alway Etteem.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Either way, we're all gonna burn