I think I revealed why later on if you read the thread.
AI's town flip is surprising. Why would I need to reconcile anything? My read was wrong. The end.
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The post count-to-content ratio is something I'd like to look at. Just going off the top of my head:
Megiddo 335 - I'd say good.
Wildfire393 190 - I don't remember this guy doing anything really. Way too much fluff.
Seppel 180 - is Seppel.
Sir Chris 123 - He's said some things. Despite rough start he's feeling townier as we go.
Iso 116 - I think is town.
AsianInvasion 89 - Flipped town.
Rhand 89 - ???
Cythare 79 - Felt scummy with a couple glimmers of town here and there.
Killjoy 68 - Flipped town.
LnGrrrR 57 - Has been pretty scummy all game.
Sir Karn 56 - Is town.
DCIII 51 - He's had thick posts but I don't remember any of his definitive stances on things.
HookerPunch 50 - Filler. Needs content.
Prophylaxis 45 - Uh? Is scum.
Arianrhod 33 - Mechanical posts, hasn't really had definitive stances iirc.
dkingsland967 19 - Replaced in late. I got a townie vibe from him, but he still needs to earn a solid town read.
rezombied 18 - Nothing.
hansanator 16 - Had a post or two but otherwise nothing. Could be anything.
EtR 16 - Replaced out. I think it was just fluff before his replace?
zindabad 14 - Mod.
Hunger 12 - Replaced in. Haven't felt strongly either way on him.
Niv 10 - Replaced out. Didn't feel great about him before he did.
desCoures 10 - Nothing.
kpaca 6 - Nothing.
Kamikaze was missing from the original list. Got accidentally deleted because he didn't have an avatar. 14 posts now (12 or 13 when I made the list). Replaced Niv who I already didn't like. Came in with bad content. Is scum.
I'd say Kamikaze, LnGrrrR, Prophylaxis are my for-sure right now. Probably DesCoures too, but I want to see more from him before making a real stance.
Meg possible third party, but more likely town. Definitely not mafia.
Wildfire, Rhand, Hooker, rezombied, hansanator, Arianrhod, DCIII could be anything.
Cythare is probably town despite early weirdness. AI's town flip helps here. AI's town flip also helps Wildfire to some degree, but I still don't love Wildfire's play on its own.
So that makes Me, Seppel, Sir Chris, Iso, and dkingsland (and probably Meg) town.
Additionally Iso, Karn, and Hans have been Big Red Buttoned or something. (Any input on that, guys?)
It should be pretty obvious what happened. And I think it speaks well of Hans of Karn, since I doubt scumKarn would have placed himself into that position, and scumhans just wouldn't have done it, IMO.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It should be pretty obvious what happened. And I think it speaks well of Hans of Karn, since I doubt scumKarn would have placed himself into that position, and scumhans just wouldn't have done it, IMO.
Ruchperion has an powerful ability. It loses 8 hp per day/night cycle. If we do nothing, Ruchperion will disappear in fairly soon (17 tomorrow, 9 day 2, 1 day 3, dead Night 4). Depending on how much hp the lynch has, if we lynch D1 on Ruchperion, we could conceivably double that plane's lifespan. However, this will only be at maximum efficiency if done on D1, before we start losing hp. The plane does nothing else -- my read on its existence is that Ruchperion is supposed to be one of the last remaining planes left for the game to continue on -- kind of an emergency backup plane. If we never visit it, however, it cannot be fulfill this purpose and will fade away long before we hit endgame barring a lot of killing roles.
Gundhiya and Alway are mirrored in terms of hp -- they both have 20 at start and lose 2 per phase change. 18 d2 16 n2 14d3 12 n3 10 d4 8 n4 6d5 4 n5 2 d6 0 n6. Both of these planes will expire Night 6. There is no built-in mechanic to give them more hp as with Ruchperion, so we have to assume that we have access for only that long. Gundhiya looks like it's designed as a counter to a role(s), or could just be a red herring. As far as I'm concerned, until such time as we have more information, Gundhiya is a vanilla plane and does nothing for us.
Alway is an odd plane to think about. The question of roleblocking was already brought up. Cops, trackers, etc are irrelevant if mirrored. It does specifiy "non-killing." I wonder if something like a Poisoner type role would mirror -- if that would be counted as killing or not. I guess probably? Like, I'm thinking through various roles that I've either put into my setups or experienced in games and I'm having a hard time coming up with the problem with Alway. Like, what's stopping us from just sitting on Alway until it blows up at the end of D6? I can't imagine that that's an intentional design -- especially not in a Zinda game -- and therefore there must be a problem with it that we're not seeing. I wouldn't say that I'm 'fearmongering' regarding Alway so much as urging caution. We don't have the information to judge the correct move at this point -- I don't see what moving RIGHT NOW buys us that waiting until closer to the end of the Day wouldn't accomplish better.
Oberos is peculiar. At 15hp: 13d1 11n1 9d2 7n2 5d3 3n3 1d4 0n4 -- Oberos will die at the same time as a non-interacted Ruchperion. We only have access to it through D4. Since its ability triggers off abilities being used, we -actually- only have access to it through D3. If I'm reading it correctly, Oberos basically turns everyone with a targeted ability into a delayed roleblocker. Oberos would probably be smart to visit on D3 so that we can use our abilities N3 to lock down perceived suspects N4. I see no reason to go to this plane before D3 -- but on D3, we should have enough information to make our stay there damaging for scum.
That leaves Ghostland, which has a monstrous 25 hp pool with a 2/drain: 23d1 21n1 19d2 17n2 15d3 13n3 11d4 9n4 7d5 5n5 3d6 1n6 0d7 -- Ghostland dies at the end of Day 7 before Night 7. Ghostland will expire the Day after Gundhiya and Alway. Barring Ruchperion shenanigans, Ghostland is the longest-lived plane. That being said, for us to sit on Ghostland, we would have to each have an effective personal hp pool of 39 (if my math is correct), because the plane drains us for 3 each phase. That's also barring any abilities which influence hp, which likely exist. Ghostland's ability is insane, though. Assuming that this game is normal reveal (which I guess we won't know until the first lynch), Ghostland allows for confirmed town postings. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, if the game IS normal reveal, it is very likely that scum have daychat.
Ghostland is a contender for our second travel, in my opinion. There's no point in traveling there toDay, but if we wanted to have the thoughts of lynch+nightkill, we could pay 6 hp/head to have them. I don't think that we want to spend more than 2 Days over the course of the game on Ghostland, though, because the hp cost will add up too much. It's also worth considering that I -believe- Ghostland will allow scum to talk even if they don't have daychat -- the rules text on it only states that "dead players may post" and does not define where they might post. I'm guessing that this would also re-enable any hypothetical masons. I'm pretty sure that the benefit we'll get from having confirmed town thoughts (assuming normal reveal) outweighs the benefit that the scum would get from having their dead players interacting again, but it's worth remembering.
So, in my book the main decision is between Ruchperion and Alway.
Ruchperion is a vanilla plane, but it's pretty safe even if it does decay fairly quickly. We could very easily keep Ruchperion around for quite a while by moving there toDay (Ruchperion would absorb the hp from the lynch -and- the nightkill). If Ruchperion got, say, 15 hp from each lynch+nk, it would expire at the end of Day 7, if my math is correct. This is at the same time as Ghostland. However, if we -do not- travel to Ruchperion toNight, and the plane receives a lesser amount of hp (even if we travel there later), Ruchperion will likely not outlast Ghostland and we will be forced to exist on Ghostland, which will be very painful to endgame players and could result in deaths by hp loss. It also means the game will hard end by Night 7, regardless of the status of the game (which, in a 22 player game, I'm skeptical that it'll end by then).
It occurs to me that this is likely the opportunity cost of Alway. Alway as a plane -is- superior to most of the other options, but it comes at the cost of time as a resource. If we go to Alway toDay, we might well get an advantage from it -- but then that's 2 kills that Ruchperion doesn't absorb and likely 1-2 Days of time that we're losing. Furthermore, each future Night that we do not go to Ruchperion is more time we're losing, AND is increasingly likely because as the game progresses, Oberos and Ghostland become more attractive to visit, which makes us even less likely to go to Ruchperion.
I propose this as the optimal order of visitation:
Swapping between Ghostland and Ruchperion both as we feel we can while keeping an eye on our hp and per pending the need / discovered benefit (or lack thereof) of the dead speakers.
I see no reason at this time to ever go to Gundhiya. If the need arises, then we can adjust later.
Note that I would still rather not lock in the move this early in the Day. I believe the best time to lock in a move is after the first lynch wagon claims at l-2. That way we at least have some information to work with, but we're also protected from the Day ending too quickly / in the rush of people thinking about the lynch.
Arian summed things up pretty nicely, but now I'm really confused, how do we regain lost vit? It seems like megs and DC3 will be the last ones alive at the end of the game no matter what happens.
It should be pretty obvious what happened. And I think it speaks well of Hans of Karn, since I doubt scumKarn would have placed himself into that position, and scumhans just wouldn't have done it, IMO.
It's not obvious :/
You should read your Night result a little more carefully. You and I lost 4 Vitality for the same reason, and I presume hans did, as well, so I think the safe assumption is that we're illuminated because of what we did last Night.
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I've send zindabad a PM. Because of what happened to me last Night, I'm pretty sure we can have most of this game solved in 2 Days if he answers my question to the affirmative.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It should be pretty obvious what happened. And I think it speaks well of Hans of Karn, since I doubt scumKarn would have placed himself into that position, and scumhans just wouldn't have done it, IMO.
It's not obvious :/
You should read your Night result a little more carefully. You and I lost 4 Vitality for the same reason, and I presume hans did, as well, so I think the safe assumption is that we're illuminated because of what we did last Night.
I read my PM. I know why I lost Vitality. I didn't know that's why I (or you two) were illuminated.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If the lore didn't make me think that there were 5 scum, and ONLY 5 scum, then I would say he's a 3rd party, but certain things, including game mechanics, are leaning me away from that theory.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
"But before doing that, he and his sister lured 3 of the more naive Celestials into a foul pact with them.
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If nearly all of us die on D7 anyway... I don't know. We need to have nearly perfect lynches now if there's 5 scum. Something feels wrong about this game.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Oops, the Vig plan doesn't work in Alway Etteem. But the Cop one does.
Whatever. Claim time.
I'm Demernae's Determination. Once per Night, I target a player with my ability (Supernova), and they can use an extra ability. However, any ability they use costs 3 Vitality that Night.
Turns out Supernova doesn't work on myself in Alway Etteem.
But last Night, I received a passive called Boundless Force that prevents players I target from being Roleblocked for the Day/Night cycle I target them.
I was going to try to burn myself out (ha ha get it because Supernova) toNight by targeting the Cop in Alway Etteem, which would have theoretically let me keep using my ability at the cost of 3 Vitality.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
He should be able to guess why he is illuminated. His "what's up with that" innocence reads like total BS, in addition to asking whether Meg was a third party.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Okay so this game pretty much revolves around Vitality more than I thought. Probably no safety valves--I mean, I'm sort of a safety valve but besides that Vitality will probably burn through this game.
I've noticed one thing in common with all the role PMs too, but I'm keeping that under wraps for now. Maybe catch someone later on something.
I never considered 3P in this game. Doesn't make much sense from either a worldbuilding view or a gameplay view since this is a resource manipulation game. I'd believe multiball but I think there'd be more signalling at this point.
More thoughts to come about as we move on. I know I'm ignoring the players but <**** you> guys I don't care.
Censor or not, it's inappropriate to flame players with language/tone like this.
-TMCT
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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amusingly Kami is not on the list
AI's town flip is surprising. Why would I need to reconcile anything? My read was wrong. The end.
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The post count-to-content ratio is something I'd like to look at. Just going off the top of my head:
Megiddo 335 - I'd say good.
Wildfire393 190 - I don't remember this guy doing anything really. Way too much fluff.
Seppel 180 - is Seppel.
Sir Chris 123 - He's said some things. Despite rough start he's feeling townier as we go.
Iso 116 - I think is town.
AsianInvasion 89 - Flipped town.
Rhand 89 - ???
Cythare 79 - Felt scummy with a couple glimmers of town here and there.
Killjoy 68 - Flipped town.
LnGrrrR 57 - Has been pretty scummy all game.
Sir Karn 56 - Is town.
DCIII 51 - He's had thick posts but I don't remember any of his definitive stances on things.
HookerPunch 50 - Filler. Needs content.
Prophylaxis 45 - Uh? Is scum.
Arianrhod 33 - Mechanical posts, hasn't really had definitive stances iirc.
dkingsland967 19 - Replaced in late. I got a townie vibe from him, but he still needs to earn a solid town read.
rezombied 18 - Nothing.
hansanator 16 - Had a post or two but otherwise nothing. Could be anything.
EtR 16 - Replaced out. I think it was just fluff before his replace?
zindabad 14 - Mod.
Hunger 12 - Replaced in. Haven't felt strongly either way on him.
Niv 10 - Replaced out. Didn't feel great about him before he did.
desCoures 10 - Nothing.
kpaca 6 - Nothing.
Kamikaze was missing from the original list. Got accidentally deleted because he didn't have an avatar. 14 posts now (12 or 13 when I made the list). Replaced Niv who I already didn't like. Came in with bad content. Is scum.
Meg possible third party, but more likely town. Definitely not mafia.
Wildfire, Rhand, Hooker, rezombied, hansanator, Arianrhod, DCIII could be anything.
Cythare is probably town despite early weirdness. AI's town flip helps here. AI's town flip also helps Wildfire to some degree, but I still don't love Wildfire's play on its own.
So that makes Me, Seppel, Sir Chris, Iso, and dkingsland (and probably Meg) town.
I don't think I'm missing anyone?
That was rude.
It should be pretty obvious what happened. And I think it speaks well of Hans of Karn, since I doubt scumKarn would have placed himself into that position, and scumhans just wouldn't have done it, IMO.
Are you the reason for what happened to me last Night that doesn't involve Vitality and Illumination?
Pending the answer to my question above, he might actually be town.
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Vote: Move to Alway Etteem
Vote Rhand
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Meg: I always use loads of and :/ when I type on the internet and in text messages.
I agree on those 3, with the addition of Iso and you.
Why the Illuminated?
vote Hunger because he's EtR, who is my most sturdy scumread.
It's not obvious :/
Arian summed things up pretty nicely, but now I'm really confused, how do we regain lost vit? It seems like megs and DC3 will be the last ones alive at the end of the game no matter what happens.
You should read your Night result a little more carefully. You and I lost 4 Vitality for the same reason, and I presume hans did, as well, so I think the safe assumption is that we're illuminated because of what we did last Night.
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I've send zindabad a PM. Because of what happened to me last Night, I'm pretty sure we can have most of this game solved in 2 Days if he answers my question to the affirmative.
So, Seppel, that means I have a plan.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I read my PM. I know why I lost Vitality. I didn't know that's why I (or you two) were illuminated.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Seppel, how do you reconcile these two statements?
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If the lore didn't make me think that there were 5 scum, and ONLY 5 scum, then I would say he's a 3rd party, but certain things, including game mechanics, are leaning me away from that theory.
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In Seasons, Yblisa was very strongly hinted at, and in Ataghan, the Sphinx was pretty much spelled out in the OP, IIRC.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
<didn't read
He's openly stating that he may have a plan. I'm open to hearing it.
The 5 scumteam member thing? Someone quoted it when we were going over the Killjoy "slip".
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Curse blows.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You didn't answer my questions.
And I am town.
^
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also I still think Seppel is a scummy scum scum.
Big surprise, I know.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If nearly all of us die on D7 anyway... I don't know. We need to have nearly perfect lynches now if there's 5 scum. Something feels wrong about this game.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'll get input from you all once I reveal my plan.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Cool.
Why
Can you stop being useless
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Now I'm waiting on Archonoid and we can proceed.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Wondering if illumination is an alignment hint.
Whatever. Claim time.
I'm Demernae's Determination. Once per Night, I target a player with my ability (Supernova), and they can use an extra ability. However, any ability they use costs 3 Vitality that Night.
Turns out Supernova doesn't work on myself in Alway Etteem.
But last Night, I received a passive called Boundless Force that prevents players I target from being Roleblocked for the Day/Night cycle I target them.
I was going to try to burn myself out (ha ha get it because Supernova) toNight by targeting the Cop in Alway Etteem, which would have theoretically let me keep using my ability at the cost of 3 Vitality.
But that's apparently no dice, so, whatever.
Let's do this, instead: Unvote, Vote DCIII
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm unlynchable.
Don't waste your time.
I think I agree, but one thing:
@Sir Karn: If you saw that AsianInvasion had died and flipped town, how did you not catch Sir Chris dying as well?
Iso makes his way into my light town reads by way of claiming unprompted. Scum don't like to lock themselves into claims.
He should be able to guess why he is illuminated. His "what's up with that" innocence reads like total BS, in addition to asking whether Meg was a third party.
Vote: Move to Alway Eteem
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
If anyone saw who targeted Sir Chris, though, we definitely know who Yblisa is.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Okay so this game pretty much revolves around Vitality more than I thought. Probably no safety valves--I mean, I'm sort of a safety valve but besides that Vitality will probably burn through this game.
I've noticed one thing in common with all the role PMs too, but I'm keeping that under wraps for now. Maybe catch someone later on something.
I never considered 3P in this game. Doesn't make much sense from either a worldbuilding view or a gameplay view since this is a resource manipulation game. I'd believe multiball but I think there'd be more signalling at this point.
More thoughts to come about as we move on. I know I'm ignoring the players but <**** you> guys I don't care.
Censor or not, it's inappropriate to flame players with language/tone like this.
-TMCT
Either way, we're all gonna burn
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Prophylaxis (26) - Probably scum
Cythare (21) - Meh, leaning town
hansanator (21) - Probably town
Hunger (r. EtR) (21) - ???
Arianrhod (21) - Town
Rhand (18) - Leaning scum
HookerPunch (21) - Leaning town
Wildfire393 (21) - Probably town
Sir Karn (17) - Probably town
LnGrrrR (17) - Probably scum
Seppel (20) - ???
dkingsland967 (r.kpaca) (21) - Leaning town
rezombied (21) - ???
KamikazeArchon (r. Niv) (23) - Town
DCIII (40) - Probably scum
desCoures (21) - ???
This is where I stand, currently.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player