There is really no reason that we can't turn this wagon around and lynch the person who is actually scum. We don't have a deadline set and basically no one seems to think I'm scum anyway.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
There is really no reason that we can't turn this wagon around and lynch the person who is actually scum. We don't have a deadline set and basically no one seems to think I'm scum anyway.
No matter how many times you repeat it, it's not going to make it any more true.
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Just to be sure we do this right:
Assuming Niv gets modkilled, we're 8 alive.
5 to lynch, so we can leave 2 or 3 off the wagon.
2 is a bad idea: if Asenion is a bomb that doesn't blow up a complete wagon, we can end up with 2 scum at the end of the wagon, costing us the game.
So we need 3 to be sure. That means Asenion must self-vote.
I think we agree on:
Not voting: Bolly - iRebel
Definitely voting: Iso - Jey K - Asenion
Under discussion:
Wheat - Karn - Rhand
So I guess we either vote for the last spot off the wagon or Asenion decides?
I thought we decided Karn was off the wagon long ago?
There is really no reason that we can't turn this wagon around and lynch the person who is actually scum. We don't have a deadline set and basically no one seems to think I'm scum anyway.
The top bit of Rhand's quote, the "lol, I'm starting to doubt Asenion's town like I previously thought but if he's a pope then even better. The game is essentially unloseable if he is." is actually my response to Asenion's two posts.
Karn plays like that as scum too. See RtR for an example.
But well, I don't really care who the third person off the wagon is.
I do think Asenion should set the vote order.
Anyone have issues with the people on the wagon being Rhand, Wheat, Iso and Jey K and Asenion choosing the order?
I don't like Karn's posts. Iso, remember that feeling I had about Seppel all of MM but couldn't put my finger on? Karn's giving me that vibe =\
That's not changing Asenion's lynch toDay though. If he was town, his reaction would not be so desperate to survive through the most pitiful excuses I've ever seen. Oh yeah, I said I was gonna dig up my opinion. ...Hopefully I remember after work today.
I don't agree with Asenion having much say in the wagon. He wanted Iso to hammer, Iso is hammering, that's all there is to it.
I agree with JeY k -> Wheat -> Rhand -> Iso -> Asenion. I'd rather have Karn on the wagon over anyone else who's already off. I don't trust Wheat's opinion on him one bit from being wrong practically all game.
I don't like Karn's posts. Iso, remember that feeling I had about Seppel all of MM but couldn't put my finger on? Karn's giving me that vibe =\
That's not changing Asenion's lynch toDay though. If he was town, his reaction would not be so desperate to survive through the most pitiful excuses I've ever seen. Oh yeah, I said I was gonna dig up my opinion. ...Hopefully I remember after work today.
I don't agree with Asenion having much say in the wagon. He wanted Iso to hammer, Iso is hammering, that's all there is to it.
I agree with JeY k -> Wheat -> Rhand -> Iso -> Asenion. I'd rather have Karn on the wagon over anyone else who's already off. I don't trust Wheat's opinion on him one bit from being wrong practically all game.
Putting yourself last on the wagon with someone you find scummy off it? Reeks of trying to win as scum to me.
If we do this and Asenion has 3 saint points and Karn is your buddy, you win.
But, go ahead, keep being misguided and attempting to paint me. It's already been done before and I'm still alive, so I'm not afraid of you in the slightest.
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You literally have no choice assuming Niv is modkilled. Lynching me while keeping Bolly + iRebel off the wagon will require either my cooperation, or every single other person voting for me.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
That and I've commented multiple times that your current behavior doesn't signify 'town' to me in any way, shape or form.
All of THAT + shaockwave's doing absolutely nothing all game makes me pretty comfortable to call you scum
So, I dare you to say that there's not a case on you again. Go ahead.
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I'd like to point out that Asenion was the primary *****er about no one playing this game, and then the current strategy revolves around his lynch and he throws a *****fit while threatening to stall the game further because he's whining about not getting exactly what he wants.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
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Sorry, but I've had to write three thousand words of flavour and three thousand words of mod notes to close out BioShock. I didn't expect either set to be that long.
Rhand, #772:
Do you have an example of scum!JeY spilling interactions everywhere? If not, then why do you think it's just JeY's play style?
Wheat, #789:
I agree. Rhand’s been giving me weird vibes. If we’re going to try and blow up a firecracker, now’s the ideal time to do it since we can afford to whiff (we can’t afford to whiff tomorrow if we whiff today).
On the topic of who is voting, Rhand is definitely voting.
Rhand, #844: Karn. He’s been one of my strongest town reads from the get go and that hasn’t changed.
As for my preferred voting order, it would be: Wheat -> JeY -> Rhand -> Iso -> Asenion
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
Guess I give weird vibes when I try to drag a dead game out of the gutter
We really need to come to a conclusion on hiw we're forming this wagon, and since no one seems to trust me: someone please take the lead in this. (Bolly or iRebel?)
ftr I've been scum once so meta'ing me is probably inconsistent since I don't even have a playstyle yet as I've recently discussed with Wheat in this very thread >_> Just trying to save everyone who wants to hunt for past games to save some time.
this will just be another example of my town game.
Also, now that we have a rather high-consensus approach to our next lynch, can we start voting? I'll willingly unvote for Wheat to get on my butt if that's what you guys really want too, from iRebel's recent post.
One problem with that: Your plan involves me self-hammering. I won't self-hammer unless the last two votes on my wagon are Iso and Karn. So if you want an odd-number of players alive in the case of a big explosion, that is how the wagon will be ordered. Otherwise you can risk losing and both of them will have to at least be on my wagon somewhere.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
@Xyre: In the event that you set a deadline and a lynch is not reached when the deadline expires, will the player with the most votes at the time be lynched, and if so, what's the plan for any Saint points on that player?
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Fair enough I guess... I don't mind blowing up.
I just don't want to lose to Karn because he really needs to grasp how annoying his play-style is and that he doesn't win games with it
I indeed have no scum meta from Jey (forgot to answer that part)
She just seems like the kind of player that keeps chatting no matter what happens or what role she has.
I just don't want to lose to Karn because he really needs to grasp how annoying his play-style is and that he doesn't win games with it
This. So much this. Ugh.
Karn, are you sure you aren't willing to call Asenion's bluff? You realize if he's scum he's just doing this to prevent a lynch as long as possible because he knows you're too stubborn and conceited in your status in this game to budge.
I have no idea what will happen if you guys fail to lynch when I set a deadline. My hope is you all can just hurry this up without me literally telling you to be done by X. I'm still pondering a way to deal with the sort of dissension we're seeing right now in a more systematic way, so to speak.
How about we compromise: Karn will stop being bad and in exchange Asenion will stop being worse.
Vote: Asenion
That's fine with me.
Also @ people saying my play is bad and doesn't win me games, I'd ask you to look back at the last couple of games I won.
And I'd also ask you to look at all the players who know I'm town here. That's not magically just happening. I worked hard for that.
Just because you don't like my jib that doesn't mean that my play is objectively bad - in fact, it's far from it.
And asking me to be L2 on your wagon just because you don't like my playstyle is just telling me that you're either: A) scum; or B) childish. And I don't plan on losing to either one of those.
If I'm scum, then it doesn't matter who is on my wagon. If I'm childish, you can't do anything about it anyway. My terms are fixed. If you are Town, trust your fellows to win the game without you and give them the better chance by having an odd number of survivors.
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How about we compromise: Karn will stop being bad and in exchange Asenion will stop being worse.
Vote: Asenion
That's fine with me.
Also @ people saying my play is bad and doesn't win me games, I'd ask you to look back at the last couple of games I won.
And I'd also ask you to look at all the players who know I'm town here. That's not magically just happening. I worked hard for that.
Just because you don't like my jib that doesn't mean that my play is objectively bad - in fact, it's far from it.
And asking me to be L2 on your wagon just because you don't like my playstyle is just telling me that you're either: A) scum; or B) childish. And I don't plan on losing to either one of those.
There is such thing as getting carried, not that I've said a thing one way or another about your past games minus this comment.
By hard work you mean making bad calls and being generally asinine and otherwise sitting around saying "I'm town deal with it"? I don't see any work you've done.
I'm not scum or childish, I just don't see any value in (nearly) anything you've contributed to this game and you continue to do nothing but say "I'm town deal with it". Call me naive but the ball's in your court with this one. If I'm childish for not understanding your rather unruly attitude then you're honestly warped beyond belief.
Who says you're going to lose if you die? Are you scum?
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
It is a waste of time, but I've got all the time in the world. I like how you guys feel like you are in a position of power to tell me what to think. You need my help a helluva lot more than I need yours.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
It is a waste of time, but I've got all the time in the world. I like how you guys feel like you are in a position of power to tell me what to think. You need my help a helluva lot more than I need yours.
So should I take that as you have no intention of trying to change our minds on Karn and just hope we all cave?
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
Three strikes you're out. I'm never playing with you again, Asenion. This, too, is non-negotiable.
The only thing keeping me from replacing out right now is that it's not fair to Xyre. By which I mean even less fair than how this game is going for him already.
I did think of one dramatic way to set an effective deadline: every 24 hours that the town misses the deadline, the mafia get a free saint point to assign immediately. How's that for motivation?
Since I'd rather not apply a retroactive rule like that: please, for the love of god, get it together.
Look... Asenion is right. Would anyone here want to get lynched with their top suspects not on the wagon?
I know I wouldn't.
Asenion is in a power position here and he's correct to use it as any alignment.
What we are facing now is a consequence of the experiment and we have to deal with it.
Wheat's last post is completely unfair for that reason.
If you want, I can explain my problem with Karn. I could also build a case on Iso again if it would be of value. I just haven't felt any reason to spend the time because my last few big posts haven't even gotten responses. I figured it was easier to just use the position I'm in as leverage to get the scum dead or exposed on my way out of the game. (Since I'm awkwardly being lynched even though the majority believes me to be town.)
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There is really no reason that we can't turn this wagon around and lynch the person who is actually scum. We don't have a deadline set and basically no one seems to think I'm scum anyway.
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Seriously, that attitude. I want to see you hammer every lynch so that you will eventually blow to pieces.
I thought we decided Karn was off the wagon long ago?
That's a shining example of why Karn is town, though. Town!Karn acts this way all the time.
You were in the League game, so you have experienced it firsthand in recent memory.
The top bit of Rhand's quote, the "lol, I'm starting to doubt Asenion's town like I previously thought but if he's a pope then even better. The game is essentially unloseable if he is." is actually my response to Asenion's two posts.
But well, I don't really care who the third person off the wagon is.
I do think Asenion should set the vote order.
Anyone have issues with the people on the wagon being Rhand, Wheat, Iso and Jey K and Asenion choosing the order?
That's not changing Asenion's lynch toDay though. If he was town, his reaction would not be so desperate to survive through the most pitiful excuses I've ever seen. Oh yeah, I said I was gonna dig up my opinion. ...Hopefully I remember after work today.
I don't agree with Asenion having much say in the wagon. He wanted Iso to hammer, Iso is hammering, that's all there is to it.
I agree with JeY k -> Wheat -> Rhand -> Iso -> Asenion. I'd rather have Karn on the wagon over anyone else who's already off. I don't trust Wheat's opinion on him one bit from being wrong practically all game.
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Putting yourself last on the wagon with someone you find scummy off it? Reeks of trying to win as scum to me.
If we do this and Asenion has 3 saint points and Karn is your buddy, you win.
I said two days ago that I would never be able to convince everyone to trade my place for Karn's so I didn't bother wasting my time.
Because I thoroughly believe Asenion is scum anyway, I don't think there's any reason to argue/waste time over it anyway.
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@iRebel: do you have the same opinion? If yes, which of the two?
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If it's either Karn or Wheat, I'd prefer Karn off the wagon, because Wheat has done some majorly stuff consistently throughout the game.
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That and I've commented multiple times that your current behavior doesn't signify 'town' to me in any way, shape or form.
All of THAT + shaockwave's doing absolutely nothing all game makes me pretty comfortable to call you scum
So, I dare you to say that there's not a case on you again. Go ahead.
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smh.
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Rhand, #772:
Do you have an example of scum!JeY spilling interactions everywhere? If not, then why do you think it's just JeY's play style?
Wheat, #789:
I agree. Rhand’s been giving me weird vibes. If we’re going to try and blow up a firecracker, now’s the ideal time to do it since we can afford to whiff (we can’t afford to whiff tomorrow if we whiff today).
On the topic of who is voting, Rhand is definitely voting.
Rhand, #844: Karn. He’s been one of my strongest town reads from the get go and that hasn’t changed.
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We really need to come to a conclusion on hiw we're forming this wagon, and since no one seems to trust me: someone please take the lead in this. (Bolly or iRebel?)
this will just be another example of my town game.
Also, now that we have a rather high-consensus approach to our next lynch, can we start voting? I'll willingly unvote for Wheat to get on my butt if that's what you guys really want too, from iRebel's recent post.
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I don't want Karn on the wagon. My position on that isn't changing.
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I just don't want to lose to Karn because he really needs to grasp how annoying his play-style is and that he doesn't win games with it
I indeed have no scum meta from Jey (forgot to answer that part)
She just seems like the kind of player that keeps chatting no matter what happens or what role she has.
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Karn, are you sure you aren't willing to call Asenion's bluff? You realize if he's scum he's just doing this to prevent a lynch as long as possible because he knows you're too stubborn and conceited in your status in this game to budge.
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That's fine with me.
Also @ people saying my play is bad and doesn't win me games, I'd ask you to look back at the last couple of games I won.
And I'd also ask you to look at all the players who know I'm town here. That's not magically just happening. I worked hard for that.
Just because you don't like my jib that doesn't mean that my play is objectively bad - in fact, it's far from it.
And asking me to be L2 on your wagon just because you don't like my playstyle is just telling me that you're either: A) scum; or B) childish. And I don't plan on losing to either one of those.
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is it really that ******* important
also @karn: league game says hi
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By hard work you mean making bad calls and being generally asinine and otherwise sitting around saying "I'm town deal with it"? I don't see any work you've done.
I'm not scum or childish, I just don't see any value in (nearly) anything you've contributed to this game and you continue to do nothing but say "I'm town deal with it". Call me naive but the ball's in your court with this one. If I'm childish for not understanding your rather unruly attitude then you're honestly warped beyond belief.
Who says you're going to lose if you die? Are you scum?
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1. Shut up and self hammer with the wagon Bolly and I agree on, or;
2. Change our minds on Karn.
It really feels as if anything else is a waste of time.
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So should I take that as you have no intention of trying to change our minds on Karn and just hope we all cave?
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My suggestion for everyone is that we continue with the vote order (JeY --> Rhand --> Iso), and then we go to deadline.
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The only thing keeping me from replacing out right now is that it's not fair to Xyre. By which I mean even less fair than how this game is going for him already.
Since I'd rather not apply a retroactive rule like that: please, for the love of god, get it together.
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I know I wouldn't.
Asenion is in a power position here and he's correct to use it as any alignment.
What we are facing now is a consequence of the experiment and we have to deal with it.
Wheat's last post is completely unfair for that reason.
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