Asking Seppel to share his reasoning is like trying to get Dracula to make you a sandwich. There's no real reason for him to be incapable, but not one has ever actually seen him do it and in the end he never responds.
Once again, Generic, where my vote is doesn't really matter before the lynch as long as I vocalize who I'm willing to vote. How many times do you need to be told that until you stop saying trash?
Past couple of days have been stressful in RL, but I won't get into details now. And also must have had four or five shots worth of Triple-sec (orange flavored liquor) last night, so I was buzzed and quite unable to put things together.
General observations on behavior:
Generic: Seems to be enjoying things, a small push of mischief in his posts, is giving me vibes of Sesame Street Generic, but want to check content just to be sure.
Rhand: I agree with 77Hawk7 that he seems a bit more assertive in the way he opened up this game. I can't make a good judgement on alignment based on this alone, but it gets me wondering.
Seppel: short posts... Seems to be hiding compared to other games I've seen Seppel in.
Cantrip: Serious and straight forward, the line of questioning put forth seems a lot more cohesive compared to his Day 1, and only Day, in Sesame Street Mafia.
Sir Karn: Doesn't seem to be attempting to drive discussion as hard as previous games I've been in with him. I have seen him be quite assertive in scum roles as far as discussion goes with both Dinosaur mafia and Sesame Street as examples, so gut feeling is Karn is likely town, but needs further testing.
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I'll say this right now, it does seem Generic is goading Rhand into a posting stand-off, but I feel this is distracting from discussions opening up. Wouldn't hurt to work around them if necessary.
Apparently you haven't seen an actual aggressive Generic.
Saying "I have two gut reads, and I'm going to vote one." Is extremely cautious and unaggressive by his standards.
I find it hilarious that Generic immediately started his forced "1v1 me bro" garbage right after I pointed that out too. Yet people like Niv still want to twist the story to say I'm misrepresenting.
[quote from="TK-421 »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/560275-archer-mafia-day-1-mole-hunt?comment=115"]@Seppel: Plan on giving any content?
What I wouldn't do for a vig shot.
You're confusing me with your quotemess there. Who did you want to vig?
In other news: I like the Antny wagon. That reasoning for hopping of the Shockwave wagon was the worst.
An Antny scum flip probably means Shock is town.
also, TK, you're doing a really good job of continuing to discredit yourself while still refusing to answer my questions, could we concider atleast answering my questions possibly.
I haven't refused to answer your question. I just haven't answered your question to your satisfaction. I saw what I thought was a scumtell of you avoiding having your RVS push any buttons. Obviously I was wrong. Accept it, embrace it, and understand that I am not the good player you seem to think I am.
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Asking Seppel to share his reasoning is like trying to get Dracula to make you a sandwich. There's no real reason for him to be incapable, but not one has ever actually seen him do it and in the end he never responds.
What's your opinion of antny?
I can see why seppel did that.
Look at the votecount and you'll see my opinion of antny.
Re: Rhand v Generic
- Rhand seems to be on his back foot a bit which I haven't seen from either town or scum Rhand, but my sample size is small (1 of each I think?). My gut is leaning scum for a seeming lack of conviction on his stance with Generic. He seems a bit off balance in his replies to Generic's attacks, which says scum being cautious to me. I'm not super confident in that read though, but have Rhand leaning scum based on the interaction.
- Generic is being really aggressive and overly confident, which I typically equate to a null tell and let it be more of a meta call with a slight lean to scum for people I haven't played with. Most of his points are actually clicking with me though and I'm not seeing the scum angle here. He prides himself on being devious and hard to read though, so a play isn't out of the question, but it's something I'm not worried about at this point. Putting him in the town pile for now.
My lack of conviction comes from not being 100% convinced of Generic's alignment.
I'm having a hard time with this situation and would like to take a step back to think about it and look at Generic's play when he's not focussing on me, but he doesn't allow me to do that.
You say his points are clicking with you. Does that mean you agree with his gut scum read because of my multiple early votes and it being a bad thing that I ignored the post where he mentioned that gut read (without reasoning)? Because that was enough for him to single me out and damn me to hell.
No, it wasn't because of his gut read. It has been as you guys go back and forth. Here are some of the specific points I liked:
Rhands side step rather than engaging me is what I wanted so you guys waste your time on me if you must. Rhand has told me himself he likes to put pressure on me and go toe to toe with me when town to figure me out.
This just seems genuine. It did seem like he was goading you and like I said I thought you seemed a bit on your back foot and weren't going right at him. This adds up for me based on how things went down. In Star Wars I remember you being a lot more aggressive towards Generic and even defending yourself for saying you tunnel and get aggressive when you think you found scum, and then in MM2 when you were scum together, it felt a lot like how you initially reacted here. It didn't feel like you wanted to go at him, yet you were saying he was scummy.
I point out you swerved a direct interaction with me by handwaving me away, having sloppily not read where my vote was. Town you wouldn't have handwaved and also wouldn't have been so slap dash with the comeback. You immediately jump on the pressure sir karn applied and cantrip added to, by in fact adding to the misreps/complete bull*****.
The arguement agains me is a careful post. The same post in which I declare two strong players scum, inviting them to defend or even attack back. I'm ignored. So I go again, being antagonistic and attention seeking. Your response is to **** up the handwaving attack.
Again, this adds up with what was happening. It looked like Generic was trying to prod you and you didn't want to engage. You say he is scummy, but you don't really go after him.
No Rhand, you are scum because you tried to hand wave me away, your attacks on me are both weak, underhand and still trying to escape an argument with me (you keep trying to get me to back off with he 'if you are town you would look elsewhere' bull*****). I would say his is just like apocalypse mafia, but the major difference is you. Remember that one? You pressed the suspicion on me off your own back, not seeing an opportunity to try and OMGUS me off the back of others (needing to ride karn and cantrips shirt tails? Disappointing) and you aggressively engaged with me with a sureness that suggested you were commited to that belief. You were wrong, but that made the commitment make more sense.
Here? Nothing like it. You are scum. I saw your last scum game first hand, I had to carry you cos you tried to coast. You can hide now can you?
This seems genuine and seems to me to be pretty accurate with what is going on. I think he is accurately calling you out for not being your true tunneling aggressive self when you think someone is scum.
No I said it was insulted you think I would use cheap tricks, referring to the claim I was merely arguing with you to make you unbelievable and somehow enable a flaw. But you have now just devalued even a claim of a flaw by suggesting it stops you lookig elsewhere... that's the same for anyone who tunnels, and if you are so sure I'm scum (which you clearly aren't) why does it matter if you focus on me? The poit is to lynh scum yet you talk like you would be wasting time on me... And you know that because you know I'm town and know you can't get me mislynched on your own. So it would be a waste of your one when there is low hanging fruit to be had.
This also made sense to me. It's a good argument and it adds up with the way things were going.
It just seemed like you were being so reactionary to Generic, but not willing to actually push him, which is why I said you have seemed to be on your back foot. Generic is actually making arguments that I find reasonable given what has transpired. It has me leaning scum on you, but I'm never very confident in my meta reads, which is why it's only a lean at this point.
In other news, Antny wagon looks pretty good. That unvote while implying he's still scummy and then not listing him amongst his scum reads in the same post is really off.
Man I am having a hard time with this game so far. Too many posts that have alot of words but don't say anything. But I do like the Antny wagon, specifically for the reason that Hunger just mentioned. That kind of error is a huge scum red flag. Unvote, Vote Antny
Shockwave's 202 where he gives "observations" is all purely bad attempts at metagaming off of one or two examples, and he doesn't provide any actual analysis of gameplay other than comparing it to that extremely limited sample pool for each person (where he doesn't even have at least one game of each alignment for most people). There is no scumhunting and even with the bad metagaming that he tries to pass off as good, he sits on the fence with most people.
He is attempting to look productive while doing barely above nothing.
So, I missed antny's post somehow. I don't think I saw it when I hit preview on my last big post I typed up. It's bad.
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In other news, Antny wagon looks pretty good. That unvote while implying he's still scummy and then not listing him amongst his scum reads in the same post is really off.
This sums it up about as well as I could. the mixed language is just all over the place. just an all around nightmare.
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@Karn: sure, 2 gut reads and a vote on one of them, isn't "as aggressive" as what followed it up, but it what world is it not aggressive. It's certainly not cautious. in what world do you get away with saying that's cautious. sure, he probably gets to a level of aggressive one cannot even comprehend, but, what he was still anything but cautious. It's a misrep what you did. in no way was it not a misrep. just because he got more aggressive after you called him out like that, doesn't make his first post cautious. but hey, you'd rather just OMGUS an accusation back at me with no additional content, so I'm to gather that I called you out on your misrep, and you're like, OMGUS, scum rite thar. Interesting plan. just because he's capable of being more aggressive doesn't mean he wasn't aggressive.
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@TK: stop bloody just telling me you're bad at this game. I want you to just directly answer this question, without just saying your bad: How was I not pushing buttons in my first post? herp a derp, "I'm awful at this game is not a valid response."
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7hawk's vote on hunger is atrocious btw. not a clue what's going on there, but it can't be anything good either.
I don't normally comment on the post of others like this, but this post made me laugh.
unvote,
Vote antny
Wait a second here. After you go on your multi-page campaign against Rhand, and are certain he is scum, you switch votes without any comment? What's up?
Shockwave's 202 where he gives "observations" is all purely bad attempts at metagaming off of one or two examples, and he doesn't provide any actual analysis of gameplay other than comparing it to that extremely limited sample pool for each person (where he doesn't even have at least one game of each alignment for most people). There is no scumhunting and even with the bad metagaming that he tries to pass off as good, he sits on the fence with most people.
He is attempting to look productive while doing barely above nothing.
Completely agree. No longer leaning town on Shock. So much waffling and attempted meta reads without a meta.
@Karn: sure, 2 gut reads and a vote on one of them, isn't "as aggressive" as what followed it up, but it what world is it not aggressive. It's certainly not cautious. in what world do you get away with saying that's cautious. sure, he probably gets to a level of aggressive one cannot even comprehend, but, what he was still anything but cautious. It's a misrep what you did. in no way was it not a misrep. just because he got more aggressive after you called him out like that, doesn't make his first post cautious. but hey, you'd rather just OMGUS an accusation back at me with no additional content, so I'm to gather that I called you out on your misrep, and you're like, OMGUS, scum rite thar. Interesting plan. just because he's capable of being more aggressive doesn't mean he wasn't aggressive.
I went back and double-checked this. In fact, Generic has two posts, in between the one he is getting called out for being cautious on and actually getting called out, in which he is clearly trying to goad Rhand into an argument. Yeah, cautious argument seems poor.
Petty reasons? You pretty much begged me to vote you.
I don't intend to keep my vote there. I'm moving it to Antny when i see a votecount.
I just wanted to give you your 1v1 and see how that plays out.
Turns out you never cared about it as you switched your vote away already.
Tell me Generic, if you agree with me on Antny about the shockwave vote, then why didn't you mention the vote at all in your reaction to Antny? You only talked about yourself in that post.
(Still more when on a pc, there's more I need to react on)
@Generic - His vote on you seemed like it was going to happen. He was building up to it the whole time. While you may call his reasons petty, I could his reason for voting you and the build up to it whether I liked the vote or not.
Granted, I could be missing something in your posts, but from my perspective I saw you tunneling Rhand, calling for a 1 v 1 and saying you are all in on him, and then with very little interaction you abandon that and vote Antny. The thing you certainly hadn't lacked in your push on Rhand, conviction, is now seemingly out the window without really any explanation why. If you truly had the conviction you seemed to have against Rhand, I don't feel like that one post from Antny would be enough to get you to abandon your all-in play this early. And then waiting until other people have actually started a wagon on him to switch makes it even worse.
Also, everyone says they are ignoring you? I think there has been like maybe three people that have said they are going to skim the back and forth between you and Rhand from now on? Saying that's everyone is a bit of an overstatement in a 16 player game.
I don't have to care what you think to interact with you. Did you think I cared a it my survival somewhere? I thought you read every single word I wrote? But then again...
I could be missing something in your posts,
So maybe you didn't eh?
My vote is on antny, you wan to defend him by using me as the scapegoat more power to ya, but if he flips scum where does that leave you?
You may think its clever to use me to save him, but there's a long game ahead and I'm calling you on it now so when I do flip people will return to this.
How am I trying to save him? I had my vote on him before you and I still have it on him.
I simply didn't like the way you voted him and so I pressed you on it. And now I don't like your reaction to it. Whether you care or not about what I think doesn't matter, but your actions do matter for the game as a whole.
Like I said, I have read everything you have posted. I could be missing something simply implied that maybe I didn't recall something from your earlier posting that makes your jump from all-in on Rhand to voting Antny on little interaction less of a drastic change. If you were town I would have expected you to point something out, but instead you seem to be happy just trying to mudsling at me instead of defending your position.
Right let's catchup start playing this game. Only four days and we have a ton of posting. First
unvote Shockwave
Not that I don't think he's scummy, his early posting was bad and his wagon justified (I like every vote on it up until Hans'). Since the pressure came off he sunk back into the background.
Second - too much of this game is being dominated too much by Rhand/Generic. It needs to stop. I had to basically skip over all your posting just to try and get through this game and I still couldn't get caught up. Don't know where that Rhand wagon came from. His early posting reads town to me. Didn't have a good read on Generic's early play but I found it noticeable how he increased his aggression right after Karn called him out for it though.
Since I promised content I will say I have early scumreads on Cyan, Hans and TK-421. Reasons tomorrow.
Full catchup will hopefully come tomorrow(ish) - assuming I don't get another few pages of Rhand vrs Generic before then.
So you reckon my early posting was too cautious do you?
Because my posting evolved with the arguments. The arguments started because I was accused of something that clearly wasn't true.
So to make such an assumption basically shows you've read nothing I've wrote and therefore are misrepping off assumptions. Poor.
Its basically the same as me accusing you of only misrepping me as an OMGUS because I mentioned you havig done nothing and having expectations on your next post... Which btw was a complete cop out.
If anything I've commented more on antny than you have about me up until I moved my vote. Maybe the wagon got a little too real, I love how you being on the wagon early suddenly makes you not a scum buddy to antny. Early votes on team mates is an old trick, looks good when a teammate flips that you were suspicious of them.
Bt carry on, I'm just seeing how long you wait to move your vote on to me.
Yep, I read that post. Notice how you are the one saying I, "saw nothing from you about Antny," when in actuality I said, "very little interaction"? I would say questioning him based on one post and then not even waiting for his reply qualifies as very little interaction.
The point is you were all-in on Rhand. You don't like one post of Antny and you question him which is good, and don't vote him, which is also good because you are sticking to your conviction on Rhand. Then instead of waiting for a reply, when other people start voting him it's alright for you to abandon your all-in 100% certain scum read on Rhand. Had you not been so gung-ho on Rhand, I wouldn't have a problem with your vote on Antny. I didn't like that so I questioned it because it doesn't add up for me.
As for voting you and you commenting more on Antny than I have on you, you do realize that I have been defending you on multiple occasions and even called you town before your Antny vote, right? In fact, in the post where I question your Antny vote I even defended you. My town read of you has certainly lowered, I'll give you that, and I know how you oh so love being the center of attention, but I'm more interested in seeing what evolves from this Antny wagon right now.
@TK: stop bloody just telling me you're bad at this game. I want you to just directly answer this question, without just saying your bad: How was I not pushing buttons in my first post? herp a derp, "I'm awful at this game is not a valid response."
I haven't refused to answer your question. I just haven't answered your question to your satisfaction. I saw what I thought was a scumtell of you avoiding having your RVS push any buttons. Obviously I was wrong.
You didn't use your RVS vote on anyone, avoiding pushing buttons. Sure you made a serious vote later on, but when your defenses were down, you just voted yourself. I did not think I needed to explain the mechanics of this tell...
"I find someone completely scummy, but I'm going to vote for someone else".
If you see someone being scummy after the pressure is off, why not reapply pressure and see if they crack? It's possible they had a momentary lapse, but it's impossible to find out if you just leave them alone. It reads as if Antny is giving Shockwave a pass on any bad behavior, but still mentions it for TOWN POINTS.
"I totally thought he was scummy first, so I totally must be town. I was just going after an easier lynch."
I think I could happily place my vote on this wagon.
And since he's currently at L-4, Vote Antny
@Seppel: I too would prefer a case on Niv rather than silence. It would A) keep you from getting mod killed (Slow-roll it for me like it's spoiler season and you're WotC) and B) help those who might have a town vibe from him (like myself) understand why we should vote for him instead of/after Antny.
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Re: Rhand v Generic
- Rhand seems to be on his back foot a bit which I haven't seen from either town or scum Rhand, but my sample size is small (1 of each I think?). My gut is leaning scum for a seeming lack of conviction on his stance with Generic. He seems a bit off balance in his replies to Generic's attacks, which says scum being cautious to me. I'm not super confident in that read though, but have Rhand leaning scum based on the interaction.
- Generic is being really aggressive and overly confident, which I typically equate to a null tell and let it be more of a meta call with a slight lean to scum for people I haven't played with. Most of his points are actually clicking with me though and I'm not seeing the scum angle here. He prides himself on being devious and hard to read though, so a play isn't out of the question, but it's something I'm not worried about at this point. Putting him in the town pile for now.
My lack of conviction comes from not being 100% convinced of Generic's alignment.
I'm having a hard time with this situation and would like to take a step back to think about it and look at Generic's play when he's not focussing on me, but he doesn't allow me to do that.
You say his points are clicking with you. Does that mean you agree with his gut scum read because of my multiple early votes and it being a bad thing that I ignored the post where he mentioned that gut read (without reasoning)? Because that was enough for him to single me out and damn me to hell.
No, it wasn't because of his gut read. It has been as you guys go back and forth. Here are some of the specific points I liked:
Rhands side step rather than engaging me is what I wanted so you guys waste your time on me if you must. Rhand has told me himself he likes to put pressure on me and go toe to toe with me when town to figure me out.
This just seems genuine. It did seem like he was goading you and like I said I thought you seemed a bit on your back foot and weren't going right at him. This adds up for me based on how things went down. In Star Wars I remember you being a lot more aggressive towards Generic and even defending yourself for saying you tunnel and get aggressive when you think you found scum, and then in MM2 when you were scum together, it felt a lot like how you initially reacted here. It didn't feel like you wanted to go at him, yet you were saying he was scummy.
I point out you swerved a direct interaction with me by handwaving me away, having sloppily not read where my vote was. Town you wouldn't have handwaved and also wouldn't have been so slap dash with the comeback. You immediately jump on the pressure sir karn applied and cantrip added to, by in fact adding to the misreps/complete bull*****.
The arguement agains me is a careful post. The same post in which I declare two strong players scum, inviting them to defend or even attack back. I'm ignored. So I go again, being antagonistic and attention seeking. Your response is to **** up the handwaving attack.
Again, this adds up with what was happening. It looked like Generic was trying to prod you and you didn't want to engage. You say he is scummy, but you don't really go after him.
No Rhand, you are scum because you tried to hand wave me away, your attacks on me are both weak, underhand and still trying to escape an argument with me (you keep trying to get me to back off with he 'if you are town you would look elsewhere' bull*****). I would say his is just like apocalypse mafia, but the major difference is you. Remember that one? You pressed the suspicion on me off your own back, not seeing an opportunity to try and OMGUS me off the back of others (needing to ride karn and cantrips shirt tails? Disappointing) and you aggressively engaged with me with a sureness that suggested you were commited to that belief. You were wrong, but that made the commitment make more sense.
Here? Nothing like it. You are scum. I saw your last scum game first hand, I had to carry you cos you tried to coast. You can hide now can you?
This seems genuine and seems to me to be pretty accurate with what is going on. I think he is accurately calling you out for not being your true tunneling aggressive self when you think someone is scum.
No I said it was insulted you think I would use cheap tricks, referring to the claim I was merely arguing with you to make you unbelievable and somehow enable a flaw. But you have now just devalued even a claim of a flaw by suggesting it stops you lookig elsewhere... that's the same for anyone who tunnels, and if you are so sure I'm scum (which you clearly aren't) why does it matter if you focus on me? The poit is to lynh scum yet you talk like you would be wasting time on me... And you know that because you know I'm town and know you can't get me mislynched on your own. So it would be a waste of your one when there is low hanging fruit to be had.
This also made sense to me. It's a good argument and it adds up with the way things were going.
It just seemed like you were being so reactionary to Generic, but not willing to actually push him, which is why I said you have seemed to be on your back foot. Generic is actually making arguments that I find reasonable given what has transpired. It has me leaning scum on you, but I'm never very confident in my meta reads, which is why it's only a lean at this point.
In other news, Antny wagon looks pretty good. That unvote while implying he's still scummy and then not listing him amongst his scum reads in the same post is really off.
Vote: Antny
I still also find SNL scummy.
Why do you call it a meta read when you agree with all that stuff?
But while I don't see the problem with enjoying furry hi-jinks and yiff I see no reason to bring it to this game Seppel's habits or no.
I'll take another look at Niv, but I don't see what Seppel is adding once again and it is ticking me off. I am getting pissed at his antics and would at wish to see him add something off value.
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"I'm a compulsive liar no matter what team I play on, but I'm trying to get better about it."
Hey look, on top of everything else I've listed about Shockwave this game, he's now avoiding talking about the game and instead voting Seppel and yelling at him for posting a link that Seppel put NSFW next to.
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Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
Past couple of days have been stressful in RL, but I won't get into details now. And also must have had four or five shots worth of Triple-sec (orange flavored liquor) last night, so I was buzzed and quite unable to put things together.
General observations on behavior:
Generic: Seems to be enjoying things, a small push of mischief in his posts, is giving me vibes of Sesame Street Generic, but want to check content just to be sure.
Rhand: I agree with 77Hawk7 that he seems a bit more assertive in the way he opened up this game. I can't make a good judgement on alignment based on this alone, but it gets me wondering.
Seppel: short posts... Seems to be hiding compared to other games I've seen Seppel in.
Cantrip: Serious and straight forward, the line of questioning put forth seems a lot more cohesive compared to his Day 1, and only Day, in Sesame Street Mafia.
Sir Karn: Doesn't seem to be attempting to drive discussion as hard as previous games I've been in with him. I have seen him be quite assertive in scum roles as far as discussion goes with both Dinosaur mafia and Sesame Street as examples, so gut feeling is Karn is likely town, but needs further testing.
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I'll say this right now, it does seem Generic is goading Rhand into a posting stand-off, but I feel this is distracting from discussions opening up. Wouldn't hurt to work around them if necessary.
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What's your current read on Niv?
You're confusing me with your quotemess there. Who did you want to vig?
In other news: I like the Antny wagon. That reasoning for hopping of the Shockwave wagon was the worst.
An Antny scum flip probably means Shock is town.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/446616-l5r-scc-mafia-game-over?page=13
also, TK, you're doing a really good job of continuing to discredit yourself while still refusing to answer my questions, could we concider atleast answering my questions possibly.
more in the morning when I'm a bit more coherent.
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Generic (2): Cantripmancer, Rhand
Killjoy (1): Cyan
Rhand (2): Generic, SelesnyaNewLife
SelesnyaNewLife (1): Hunger
TK-421 (2): Niv, Killjoy
Antny223 (2): Wheat_Grinder, Seppel
Cyan (1): Shockwave07
Shockwave07 (1): Sir Karn
Not voting (4): 7hawk77, hansanator, TK-421, Antny223
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To elaborate on the prod policy: You will receive only one prod warning during the game (I cannot guarantee when you will receive it). After your first warning, you will be prodded without warning. In lieu of your second prod, you will be replaced. If for some other reason I find your participation insufficient, you will be warned once then replaced for further violation.
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Look at the votecount and you'll see my opinion of antny.
I disagree. They're just Seppel.
And he votes the right people.
This just seems genuine. It did seem like he was goading you and like I said I thought you seemed a bit on your back foot and weren't going right at him. This adds up for me based on how things went down. In Star Wars I remember you being a lot more aggressive towards Generic and even defending yourself for saying you tunnel and get aggressive when you think you found scum, and then in MM2 when you were scum together, it felt a lot like how you initially reacted here. It didn't feel like you wanted to go at him, yet you were saying he was scummy.
Again, this adds up with what was happening. It looked like Generic was trying to prod you and you didn't want to engage. You say he is scummy, but you don't really go after him.
This seems genuine and seems to me to be pretty accurate with what is going on. I think he is accurately calling you out for not being your true tunneling aggressive self when you think someone is scum.
This also made sense to me. It's a good argument and it adds up with the way things were going.
It just seemed like you were being so reactionary to Generic, but not willing to actually push him, which is why I said you have seemed to be on your back foot. Generic is actually making arguments that I find reasonable given what has transpired. It has me leaning scum on you, but I'm never very confident in my meta reads, which is why it's only a lean at this point.
In other news, Antny wagon looks pretty good. That unvote while implying he's still scummy and then not listing him amongst his scum reads in the same post is really off.
Vote: Antny
I still also find SNL scummy.
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You misspelled Antny.
Well...
@Whoever asked me what I think of Niv: He's scum.
Shockwave's 202 where he gives "observations" is all purely bad attempts at metagaming off of one or two examples, and he doesn't provide any actual analysis of gameplay other than comparing it to that extremely limited sample pool for each person (where he doesn't even have at least one game of each alignment for most people). There is no scumhunting and even with the bad metagaming that he tries to pass off as good, he sits on the fence with most people.
He is attempting to look productive while doing barely above nothing.
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@Karn: sure, 2 gut reads and a vote on one of them, isn't "as aggressive" as what followed it up, but it what world is it not aggressive. It's certainly not cautious. in what world do you get away with saying that's cautious. sure, he probably gets to a level of aggressive one cannot even comprehend, but, what he was still anything but cautious. It's a misrep what you did. in no way was it not a misrep. just because he got more aggressive after you called him out like that, doesn't make his first post cautious. but hey, you'd rather just OMGUS an accusation back at me with no additional content, so I'm to gather that I called you out on your misrep, and you're like, OMGUS, scum rite thar. Interesting plan. just because he's capable of being more aggressive doesn't mean he wasn't aggressive.
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@TK: stop bloody just telling me you're bad at this game. I want you to just directly answer this question, without just saying your bad: How was I not pushing buttons in my first post? herp a derp, "I'm awful at this game is not a valid response."
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7hawk's vote on hunger is atrocious btw. not a clue what's going on there, but it can't be anything good either.
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Wait a second here. After you go on your multi-page campaign against Rhand, and are certain he is scum, you switch votes without any comment? What's up?
Completely agree. No longer leaning town on Shock. So much waffling and attempted meta reads without a meta.
I went back and double-checked this. In fact, Generic has two posts, in between the one he is getting called out for being cautious on and actually getting called out, in which he is clearly trying to goad Rhand into an argument. Yeah, cautious argument seems poor.
(More when on a pc)
I don't intend to keep my vote there. I'm moving it to Antny when i see a votecount.
I just wanted to give you your 1v1 and see how that plays out.
Turns out you never cared about it as you switched your vote away already.
Tell me Generic, if you agree with me on Antny about the shockwave vote, then why didn't you mention the vote at all in your reaction to Antny? You only talked about yourself in that post.
(Still more when on a pc, there's more I need to react on)
Granted, I could be missing something in your posts, but from my perspective I saw you tunneling Rhand, calling for a 1 v 1 and saying you are all in on him, and then with very little interaction you abandon that and vote Antny. The thing you certainly hadn't lacked in your push on Rhand, conviction, is now seemingly out the window without really any explanation why. If you truly had the conviction you seemed to have against Rhand, I don't feel like that one post from Antny would be enough to get you to abandon your all-in play this early. And then waiting until other people have actually started a wagon on him to switch makes it even worse.
Also, everyone says they are ignoring you? I think there has been like maybe three people that have said they are going to skim the back and forth between you and Rhand from now on? Saying that's everyone is a bit of an overstatement in a 16 player game.
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If you don't care what I think then why direct questions at me?
If you are town, show me why I am wrong instead of using an emotional ploy as a defense.
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I simply didn't like the way you voted him and so I pressed you on it. And now I don't like your reaction to it. Whether you care or not about what I think doesn't matter, but your actions do matter for the game as a whole.
Like I said, I have read everything you have posted. I could be missing something simply implied that maybe I didn't recall something from your earlier posting that makes your jump from all-in on Rhand to voting Antny on little interaction less of a drastic change. If you were town I would have expected you to point something out, but instead you seem to be happy just trying to mudsling at me instead of defending your position.
I'm not planning on posting much until antny comes back.
The point is you were all-in on Rhand. You don't like one post of Antny and you question him which is good, and don't vote him, which is also good because you are sticking to your conviction on Rhand. Then instead of waiting for a reply, when other people start voting him it's alright for you to abandon your all-in 100% certain scum read on Rhand. Had you not been so gung-ho on Rhand, I wouldn't have a problem with your vote on Antny. I didn't like that so I questioned it because it doesn't add up for me.
As for voting you and you commenting more on Antny than I have on you, you do realize that I have been defending you on multiple occasions and even called you town before your Antny vote, right? In fact, in the post where I question your Antny vote I even defended you. My town read of you has certainly lowered, I'll give you that, and I know how you oh so love being the center of attention, but I'm more interested in seeing what evolves from this Antny wagon right now.
Hey look, Seppel still hasn't done anything and promises to not do anything.
Seppel, could you at least provide something for us on Niv?
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You didn't use your RVS vote on anyone, avoiding pushing buttons. Sure you made a serious vote later on, but when your defenses were down, you just voted yourself. I did not think I needed to explain the mechanics of this tell...
"I find someone completely scummy, but I'm going to vote for someone else".
If you see someone being scummy after the pressure is off, why not reapply pressure and see if they crack? It's possible they had a momentary lapse, but it's impossible to find out if you just leave them alone. It reads as if Antny is giving Shockwave a pass on any bad behavior, but still mentions it for TOWN POINTS.
"I totally thought he was scummy first, so I totally must be town. I was just going after an easier lynch."
I think I could happily place my vote on this wagon.
And since he's currently at L-4,
Vote Antny
@Seppel: I too would prefer a case on Niv rather than silence. It would A) keep you from getting mod killed (Slow-roll it for me like it's spoiler season and you're WotC) and B) help those who might have a town vibe from him (like myself) understand why we should vote for him instead of/after Antny.
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That's L-2. Claim please.
@Seppel: you missed my question.
Why do you call it a meta read when you agree with all that stuff?
Elaborate on SNL please.
That was me. I wanted to test if your accusations lined up with your read on him or were omgus-based.
It does line up.
Generic (1): Cantripmancer
Antny223 (7): Wheat_Grinder, Seppel, Hunger, Generic, Cyan, TK-421, Rhand (B-2)
TK-421 (1): Niv
Rhand (1): SelesnyaNewLife
Cyan (1): Shockwave07
Shockwave07 (1): Sir Karn
Not voting (4): Killjoy, hansanator, Antny223, 7hawk77
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to burn.
This is (another) reminder that you do not need to unvote before casting a new vote, but please do put all votes on a new line for ease in tallying.
It feels like there's were people that aren't fully caught up and I was going to see if I could bait a scum in to hopping on a counter wagon.
everything hunger has said has been accurate. I can't vote anty yet because I'm captain hammer.
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It is spoiler season and I am WotC. (NSFW)
(Release date is July 4th!)
Those kind of links have no place in a mafia game.
Vote: Seppel
Get serious, or at least your version of it, and leave that stuff to your personal life. I know I will.
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btw when's cataro coming out seppel
why are you making posts like this.
I see that you are feeling sickly;
I shall write a poem quite quickly.
If you want no vomit, scarbo,
then stop drinking that ******* garbo.
Lightweight.
...*clears throat* My apologies.
But while I don't see the problem with enjoying furry hi-jinks and yiff I see no reason to bring it to this game Seppel's habits or no.
I'll take another look at Niv, but I don't see what Seppel is adding once again and it is ticking me off. I am getting pissed at his antics and would at wish to see him add something off value.
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That's why.
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Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
I'm working on it noooooow.
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Easy mode!
I prefer games without violence.