And anyone who's about to say "wow he called Killjoy scum then voted Generic" can eat my ********. Because I know someone's going to say it (Generic...) and call me scum for it even though if they had stopped to think about it for TWO SECONDS they would realize that I have more than one scum read but I only have one vote.
@Cantrip: do you think it has value for you to get shot after we have Wheat's claim?
My ability is simple: I can target a player each Night and learn what items they possess. I know the items Cyan has (a "Gun" is what was told to me rather than a "shotgun" and an unspecified and unnamed number of other items) and the items of an unnamed other person, at least what they possessed during Day 1. I do not know what the items do that I see, but so far they have all been named such that I recognize the general intended purpose but not specific workings. Example with Cyan's gun: I knew it was a killing ability from the name but not that it was specifically a daykill. The other items are exactly the same. One of which is actually even more obvious but I won't say it in case the owner has not yet made use of it.
I will only claim item results if a majority will it. Same with my name and such. I don't feel bad about giving up my ability information because any reasonable person could piece together my ability from my not-so-subtle hints. I have no other abilities, besides any items I may or may not have.
@Cantrip: do you think it has value for you to get shot after we have Wheat's claim?
My ability is simple: I can target a player each Night and learn what items they possess. I know the items Cyan has (a "Gun" is what was told to me rather than a "shotgun" and an unspecified and unnamed number of other items) and the items of an unnamed other person, at least what they possessed during Day 1. I do not know what the items do that I see, but so far they have all been named such that I recognize the general intended purpose but not specific workings. Example with Cyan's gun: I knew it was a killing ability from the name but not that it was specifically a daykill. The other items are exactly the same. One of which is actually even more obvious but I won't say it in case the owner has not yet made use of it.
I will only claim item results if a majority will it. Same with my name and such. I don't feel bad about giving up my ability information because any reasonable person could piece together my ability from my not-so-subtle hints. I have no other abilities, besides any items I may or may not have.
Huh. So you and Karn aren't masons. I really thought that was the case when you just kept blankly insisting he was town. That is why I asked if you were members of the Illuminati..freemasons..etc. I figured that was too vague, but it was fun.
Anyway. I haven't liked LNG's posts so far, but I really did think Shockwave was town. We have a good enough voting block now that we should be able to get solid information from it. I'm going to dig into that tonight/tomorrow after my daughter's birthday party and see what I can find out.
@Cantrip: Wheat is an unsure read for me. His role fits for both alignments. I think you are town though, so the kill on you would only make sense if your results are supercool.
@Killjoy and Lngrrr: Do you really believe that I would counterclaim the SK as scum?
Since I'm either being too subtle or not understanding Rhand's response correctly, Imma gonna just ask him: Rhand, what happened to the ball last Night?
Since I'm either being too subtle or not understanding Rhand's response correctly, Imma gonna just ask him: Rhand, what happened to the ball last Night?
@Cantrip: Wheat is an unsure read for me. His role fits for both alignments. I think you are town though, so the kill on you would only make sense if your results are supercool.
@Killjoy and Lngrrr: Do you really believe that I would counterclaim the SK as scum?
It's not really a counterclaim. I mean, people are assuming there's a vig out there due to the NK. But let's hypothesize you are scum; you know that actually was the NK. But you can use the confusion to your advantage, claim vig, and avoid scrutiny.
The reason I asked Karn is because he has seen that in a few games, and called the bluff correctly (while the rest of town just accepted the bluffer as obvtown). If he trusts you, I'm willing to go with that for now.
I didn't notice the Rhand conversation until now because I was focused on Cyan.
Rhand: 1-shot vig, did not shoot Niv. Which means he hasn't shot, unless his shot either missed or he shot town. Do you still have your shot, Rhand, and is it item-based? If you still have your shot, why haven't you used it? If you used it, who did you use it upon?
Wheat: As I said, I shot Voxx. It is an itembased shot and I used up the item.
Lngrrr: I did counterclaim Fulcrum yesterDay.
Cantrip: I indeed passed your ball to wheat.
Wheat: As I said, I shot Voxx. It is an itembased shot and I used up the item.
Lngrrr: I did counterclaim Fulcrum yesterDay.
Cantrip: I indeed passed your ball to wheat.
So Wheat's basically a role-cop? Isn't that typically a scum role? Is it usually different in item based games?
@Cyan - Even though we didn't have a clear lynch yesterDay, Cantrip explicitly said if town had a Day shot it would be best to use it on him. Either you think he is lying scum and yay for shooting him! Or he is town and is telling the truth and it would be beneficial to shoot him. So why didn't you? Do you think he is some sort of third party that needs to be Day-vigged or something?
Just got home and going to bed. Will fully catch up and post again in the morning some time.
I would like to catch up and get a feel for the gamestate before endorsing my dayvig toDay. I will have a little time tomorrow, and then Tuesday night and Wednesday night I will be able to commit a lot more.
I'm really undecided on Cantrip. Someone asking to be daykilled makes me really leery, especially when I'm likely only going to have one daykill ever. Plus he has been so vague about it(even when I asked him yesterday to clarify further).
And ultimately I'd rather use it as a second lynch or to kill someone with a good chance of being scum. I could be swayed to shoot CM if the town *really* wants it or if he convinces me it's correct, but as it stands now I'm not a fan of the idea.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I am fine with being shot, if need be. But I only endorse it if you guys have the game state locked down. My reread is taking longer than I thought and I don't want to be a drag on town or a late mislynch.
Is there a valid reason we haven't done a mass claim yet, btw? It feels like half the playerbase has claimed already anyways.
Reads to me like cyan not wanting information out in the game.
Yeah, that is why I probed CM about this yesterday. Because I didn't want information in the thread. It's not because I was considering killing him then so that there would be EXTRA information available to everyone going to night.
Also with rhand being confirmed, generics attack was completely wrong and spanning multiple days.
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Why can't town be wrong?
Do you think scum!Generic would have so blatantly gone after Rhand for a mislynch with what is essentially a gut read?
Serious questions. Not saying you are necessarily wrong, I just want you to answer those.
@LnG - I think we have ~3 PR claims out there depending on what Cantrip actually is, and a VT claim. I don't remember Hawk actually claiming as Generic implied. I will go reread hawk for that, but still catching up on the weekend posts. So about 4/11 claims. Rhand also suggested a massclaim. With the Dr. already out, I think I am for it.
Also, I don't feel like we have the game state on lockdown by any means. If you are town, we need you to fight and show it.
@Hunger, fair enough. I will fight, but right now there's a lot of mechanics discussion flowing around, which is making it a bit hard to get involved, hence why I am trying to read up.
I'm just an agent. I've been off my game lately so I was hoping to bait out the night kill night 1 by creating uncertainty with the hammer claim.
I sincerely doubt the validity of this. It sounds much more like Hawk doesn't think that whatever claim he was going to come up with for his 'must hammer' ability was real. Time to re-read Hawk.
I've already indirectly answered those so I didn't feel the need. I already said that I think that generic and rhand are very familiar with each other including playing a hydra account together. The attack was generic either legit gut reading him which would he right with the familiarity or generic scared rhand would get him killed.
Town can be wrong but his confidence mixed with the awkward anty jump makes it not a normal misguided town.
I want to lynch KillJoy or Hawk now.
Killjoy has this thing that he didn't know Seppel died which gives me pause, but the answer with the daychet nonsense he gave me now is just... Not an answer.
Hawk did a role softclaim lie. That's bad. Lieing is not pro-town.
I lost the two last Games as town coming in to this and wasn't confidant in my ability to read people, so I decided early on to lightning rod a NK after getting VT. My last two games were porcelain waltz and hayate.
@rhand glossing over my action saying lying isn't pro town is an over simplification and a really bad understanding of motive. Explain specifically why I would make that claim as scum. You know, the guy that has botched most of his scum claims.
Vote: Generic
And anyone who's about to say "wow he called Killjoy scum then voted Generic" can eat my ********. Because I know someone's going to say it (Generic...) and call me scum for it even though if they had stopped to think about it for TWO SECONDS they would realize that I have more than one scum read but I only have one vote.
Scumteam: Generic, Killjoy, LnGrrrR
Possible: Hawk
Those are my final answers, and yes Regis, I'll take my million dollars.
So, 5 scum and a SK in a 16 person game? Seems balanced.
I asked because I want to know how much work I had to put into this game from the jump.
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My ability is simple: I can target a player each Night and learn what items they possess. I know the items Cyan has (a "Gun" is what was told to me rather than a "shotgun" and an unspecified and unnamed number of other items) and the items of an unnamed other person, at least what they possessed during Day 1. I do not know what the items do that I see, but so far they have all been named such that I recognize the general intended purpose but not specific workings. Example with Cyan's gun: I knew it was a killing ability from the name but not that it was specifically a daykill. The other items are exactly the same. One of which is actually even more obvious but I won't say it in case the owner has not yet made use of it.
I will only claim item results if a majority will it. Same with my name and such. I don't feel bad about giving up my ability information because any reasonable person could piece together my ability from my not-so-subtle hints. I have no other abilities, besides any items I may or may not have.
For now, yes. I don't have the time to reread AND defend myself. It is one or the other.
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Huh. So you and Karn aren't masons. I really thought that was the case when you just kept blankly insisting he was town. That is why I asked if you were members of the Illuminati..freemasons..etc. I figured that was too vague, but it was fun.
Anyway. I haven't liked LNG's posts so far, but I really did think Shockwave was town. We have a good enough voting block now that we should be able to get solid information from it. I'm going to dig into that tonight/tomorrow after my daughter's birthday party and see what I can find out.
@Killjoy and Lngrrr: Do you really believe that I would counterclaim the SK as scum?
Yes. The gun was the only sticking point.
Well now things make way more sense.
It was gifted to me last Night.
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It's not really a counterclaim. I mean, people are assuming there's a vig out there due to the NK. But let's hypothesize you are scum; you know that actually was the NK. But you can use the confusion to your advantage, claim vig, and avoid scrutiny.
The reason I asked Karn is because he has seen that in a few games, and called the bluff correctly (while the rest of town just accepted the bluffer as obvtown). If he trusts you, I'm willing to go with that for now.
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Rhand: 1-shot vig, did not shoot Niv. Which means he hasn't shot, unless his shot either missed or he shot town. Do you still have your shot, Rhand, and is it item-based? If you still have your shot, why haven't you used it? If you used it, who did you use it upon?
Lngrrr: I did counterclaim Fulcrum yesterDay.
Cantrip: I indeed passed your ball to wheat.
Oh. Well Nevermind then.
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He was a minor scumread going into the night. His play today pushed him back to null.
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@Cyan - Even though we didn't have a clear lynch yesterDay, Cantrip explicitly said if town had a Day shot it would be best to use it on him. Either you think he is lying scum and yay for shooting him! Or he is town and is telling the truth and it would be beneficial to shoot him. So why didn't you? Do you think he is some sort of third party that needs to be Day-vigged or something?
Just got home and going to bed. Will fully catch up and post again in the morning some time.
I would like to catch up and get a feel for the gamestate before endorsing my dayvig toDay. I will have a little time tomorrow, and then Tuesday night and Wednesday night I will be able to commit a lot more.
And ultimately I'd rather use it as a second lynch or to kill someone with a good chance of being scum. I could be swayed to shoot CM if the town *really* wants it or if he convinces me it's correct, but as it stands now I'm not a fan of the idea.
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I am fine with being shot, if need be. But I only endorse it if you guys have the game state locked down. My reread is taking longer than I thought and I don't want to be a drag on town or a late mislynch.
Is there a valid reason we haven't done a mass claim yet, btw? It feels like half the playerbase has claimed already anyways.
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Yeah, that is why I probed CM about this yesterday. Because I didn't want information in the thread. It's not because I was considering killing him then so that there would be EXTRA information available to everyone going to night.
Do you think scum!Generic would have so blatantly gone after Rhand for a mislynch with what is essentially a gut read?
Serious questions. Not saying you are necessarily wrong, I just want you to answer those.
@LnG - I think we have ~3 PR claims out there depending on what Cantrip actually is, and a VT claim. I don't remember Hawk actually claiming as Generic implied. I will go reread hawk for that, but still catching up on the weekend posts. So about 4/11 claims. Rhand also suggested a massclaim. With the Dr. already out, I think I am for it.
Also, I don't feel like we have the game state on lockdown by any means. If you are town, we need you to fight and show it.
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I sincerely doubt the validity of this. It sounds much more like Hawk doesn't think that whatever claim he was going to come up with for his 'must hammer' ability was real. Time to re-read Hawk.
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Reads to me like you are making up sludge to sling at a confirmed town PR.
And he is now confirmed.
Because you were taking a backseat to other issues.
Unvote, Vote: Generic
Answer the first two now.
Town can be wrong but his confidence mixed with the awkward anty jump makes it not a normal misguided town.
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Killjoy has this thing that he didn't know Seppel died which gives me pause, but the answer with the daychet nonsense he gave me now is just... Not an answer.
Hawk did a role softclaim lie. That's bad. Lieing is not pro-town.
Hawk is more eh. I don't have any strong feelings there one way or another.
Hey Cantrip I have no idea what my ball does, should I keep it orbiting about or hold onto it.
@rhand glossing over my action saying lying isn't pro town is an over simplification and a really bad understanding of motive. Explain specifically why I would make that claim as scum. You know, the guy that has botched most of his scum claims.
I'm still fine with lynching lngr or killjoy.
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What do you think of Wheat, Karn?