It's not so much asking for your help, as curious how true you were to your reads. I've been an SK an annoying amount of times, and played it differently each time.
I can't imagine you actually thought I was scum, for example.
But whatever, I guess.
Thing is, the day ends like...today.
And we were either going to lynch Generic (who is probably town), or Cantrip (which I was in favor of, but suddenly less so with that self-vote, and eh. I know it's bad to be scared off by that, sets a horrible self-precedent, etc, but... leaning more null-town on him now).
So lynching you is both the safest play, and probably the best, given the huge lead we have.
Having issues getting previous pages to load for some reason - But the Niv/TK stuff starts at Post #50, and continues through each of their next post or two. I know post #50 because I've gone back to reference it like 26235 times, heh.
Is it possible that it was an early day mutual bussing? Sure, given I think they both swapped off it. I just think it's less likely than some other worlds we're in.
Although I might re-read him overNight, same with Kill Joy, given that I think Generic is town, and that you're more likely town than I previously thought. Aka I probably need to re-evaluate somewhere.
I can't remember why I called Fulcrum town but now I want to look back and see if I based it on interactions because then I'd feel silly if fulcrum really does flip SK.
Why are you trying to prematurely justify your town read on fulcrum here? Seems weird.
Guys, wasn't Seppel a Saint? So if Niv shot him, he would die too, no?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
It's possible, which could make Fulcrum actually mafia, but I think Seppel's role was a supplier - he'd give it to someone else who would then be a bomb, rather than being a bomb himself. (I should note that I'm not currently looking at the role, but had glanced back at it previously. Mind copy/pasting it to the current page? I'm having annoying amounts of difficulty getting past pages to load on my phone and don't know why)
I think most likely explanation is that Fulcrum actually is the SK, though. It's pointless speculation anyways, since...she's claimed to be the SK, and is going to be lynched.
Good morning, agents. I'm afraid I have some startling news. The bodies of two of our fellow agents have been discovered: Niv and Seppel. Thorough intelligence reports and autopsies reveal their identities...
Name: Woodhouse
Alignment: Mafia
Role: Janitor
Codename: Niv
Bio: Sterling Archer's valet,
long-time friend of the Archer family
Intelligence: Niv's body was found with a rug.
Apparently he had intended to use this to
dispose of a corpse to conceal its identity.
Name: Rodney
Alignment: Town
Role: Supplier
Codename: Seppel
Bio: ISIS Requisitions Officer
Intelligence: Rodney's body was found with a bomb.
It appears to be rigged to explode when its wearer is shot.
It wasn't properly equipped to his body, however.
We're certain his intention was to give it to someone else.
There are a few other things I should mention. Agent hansanator has requested to be replaced. Agent Rhand has informed me he will be V/LA until 25 June.
It is now Day 2. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to burn. The deadline is 1600 EDT 5 July 2014.
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Neither of you have been around much - name two remaining scum, and why, assuming Fulcrum flips SK.
That's rich.
Anyway, my suspects. I've voted one and the other I've given a case on.
Shockwave, who had terrible interactions with Niv. I hate that he's being forcibly replaced because instinct screams "lurking mafia", but I believe in giving the replacement the opportunity for explanation.
Wheat, his early voting for Day 2 was just... not what I would expect of him.
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ISIS HEREBY DISAVOWS AGENT FULCRUM WHO IS TO BE CONSIDERED
AN UNRELIABLE ASSET AND SECURITY RISK. ALL INTELLIGENCE FROM
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Well, I suppose we must accept our victories both large and small. Agent fulcrum was found dead somewhere in God-forsaken Germany earlier this morning. Cause of death: poisoned gravlax. Or I guess, you know, just regular gravlax. Who cares. At any rate the body has been identified:
Hello all! I'm replacing Shockwave. I haven't had time to read the thread due to RL work. Would anyone care to give me a summary of any predecessor's play (ie am I considered townie, scummy, by whom etc)?
@LnG - Are you playing dumb or have you not even read the current page? Serious question.
Missed the "assassin" part. So... a little of both?
Anyways, that pretty much answers my question. I will be reading this game on the weekend to get a feel for it.
Even with that, Voxx mentioned Fulcrum as the confirmed SK on this page. Feels like like you were asking the question to look like you were involved, but I would expect town to at least read the current page before asking questions and responding to people.
To answer your question, everyone is obvtown on your slot except myself and Karn. Oh and TK said he was wary of Shock too, but he never voted him.
@Cantrip - What is your status as far as being sacrificial toDay? Do you know what sort of/how good of info we would get toDay?
@TK - in #879 you said you voted one suspect and gave a case on the other. You then name Shock and Wheat, neither of which you have cased or voted as far as I can tell. What's the deal with that? If you were referring to how you said some stuff about Wheat when directly asked, I would say it is far from a case and you never actually called him scum there. It was pretty non-committal.
@Karn - Are you actually going to play the game toDay?
@KJ - Same as Karn.
@Cyan - Assuming you are telling the truth, which it feels like you are, it seems unlikely that scum has a RB since apparently you and Rhand were both able to function and are both still alive. Do you agree? Also, with an SK, do you still think scum would most likely have 4 members? Trying to figure out how to best PoE this.
Oh yeah, looking back at Voxx, he also wanted Shock dead. Yeah, I'm going back to my vote from yesterDay. I thought Shock was scum and it makes LnG work for it if that's going to change.
Oh yeah, looking back at Voxx, he also wanted Shock dead. Yeah, I'm going back to my vote from yesterDay. I thought Shock was scum and it makes LnG work for it if that's going to change.
Vote: LnG
What exactly about me not paying attention comes from a scummy mindset?
If you are trying to get an easy mislynch before I have had a chance to read; I don't think it is going to work.
No thanks? Immediately after an NK goes missing, WG wants to know exactly how my protective ability works. I'll pass on that. Forgive me if this looks exactly like you are trying to figure out whether you can ever kill me. I don't think that this is automatically the case, because you still seem fairly pro-town(despite not wanting to lynch fulcrum at any point ever), but still.
Whatever information you have(assuming this isn't just a bluff, which I ultimately do not think it is), you are misinterpreting. It is not going to work to anyone's benefit if you make an issue of this.
Go to bed..I'm pretty curious about where you live now.
And I claimed Doc, didn't get counterclaimed, and there was no kill last night. On top of that, I was early on the Antny wagon, and maintained consistent pressure on him throughout the day. Beyond that, I correctly assessed that fulcrum was scum while he was mounting a bad attack on me. If I were scum, that would mean that I OMGUS'ed someone that was very likely to end up being town. How does that help me as scum? If he gets lynched and flips town, it just completely cements his attacks against me.
Also, I received a shotgun N1 that gives me a 1-shot daykill. Presumably this was given to me by Seppel. As scum, there is no way I would just sit on this all through yesterday, especially not once I had a million people wagon me.
@TK - in #879 you said you voted one suspect and gave a case on the other. You then name Shock and Wheat, neither of which you have cased or voted as far as I can tell. What's the deal with that? If you were referring to how you said some stuff about Wheat when directly asked, I would say it is far from a case and you never actually called him scum there. It was pretty non-committal.
Oh my crap. I think I'm losing my mind. I could swear I voted Shockwave. Had I not just gone through every post I made since Day 2 start, I'd swear up and down that you're wrong.:facepalm: But I still stand by what I had said for Wheat. Calling someone mafia is not required to make a case on them. And I still believe that Shock's interactions Day 1 looked worse.
Unfortunately, Shock's no longer here. Now we need to see if LnGrrR is just as suspicious.
Cyan, why didn't you use, or even just mention, the gun yesterDay?
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Go to bed..I'm pretty curious about where you live now.
For this summer, Germany.
And I claimed Doc, didn't get counterclaimed, and there was no kill last night.
That is explainable through other means.
On top of that, I was early on the Antny wagon, and maintained consistent pressure on him throughout the day.
I don't really know what to make of the Antny wagon because EVERYONE supported it.
Beyond that, I correctly assessed that fulcrum was scum while he was mounting a bad attack on me. If I were scum, that would mean that I OMGUS'ed someone that was very likely to end up being town. How does that help me as scum? If he gets lynched and flips town, it just completely cements his attacks against me.
That is true.
Also, I received a shotgun N1 that gives me a 1-shot daykill. Presumably this was given to me by Seppel. As scum, there is no way I would just sit on this all through yesterday, especially not once I had a million people wagon me.
That's the main reason I was so nervous toDay.
Regardless, I am now satisfied you are what you say you are. I apologize for digging after it, but seeing that gun put me in "Hot damn, I think I just found scum" mode, even if the other item(s) I saw made sense for your claim.
Also, based on what info I've determined from my role and what's been posted in the thread, I don't think it's necessarily impossible to have so many info roles.
Cyan is town, coolio. FTR it's unlikely he's lying. If there IS another doc who's just not claiming, then that will come out eventually.
Wheat COULD be scum, but its unlikely (more likely than Cyan right now though).
Not seeing TK as scum.
Rhand... hm... I don't know if I wanna believe him that he's a vig. Cyan might be scum with him though, assuming he and Rhand worked out last nights events together. Again, unlikely.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Wheat is clearly hinting at an information based role. Making that THREE claiming such roles.
Hawk or cantrip, time to decide who needs to swing.
Remember that cantrip has hinted his is clearly based on him dying, while wheat hints at an item-cop. Both are very limited. I can't remember what Hawk claimed (or hinted at), but if it's just as limited, it's within the realm of possibility.
@Killjoy: With the size of the game, a 1-shot vig plus an assassin as "town" killing roles aren't out of the question.
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Cyan is town, coolio. FTR it's unlikely he's lying. If there IS another doc who's just not claiming, then that will come out eventually.
Wheat COULD be scum, but its unlikely (more likely than Cyan right now though).
Not seeing TK as scum.
Rhand... hm... I don't know if I wanna believe him that he's a vig. Cyan might be scum with him though, assuming he and Rhand worked out last nights events together. Again, unlikely.
I don't like that Cyan didn't mention/use the gun yesterDay, but he's a good enough player that I could see him keeping it in his pants.
@Rhand: Outcome murky, depending on your night action(s)? It's definitely something to consider. Actually, I should probably check one thing with the mod. Is Wheat, in your opinion, town or scum?
Look at the worst and best possible scenarios.
Worst: I shoot Cyan. So? He was going to die anyway. You then lynch me toMorrow or Rhand vigs me. Not a fun outcome for me.
Best: You lynch scum toDay. I shoot scum. You then lynch me for a perfect win.
I can't imagine you actually thought I was scum, for example.
But whatever, I guess.
Thing is, the day ends like...today.
And we were either going to lynch Generic (who is probably town), or Cantrip (which I was in favor of, but suddenly less so with that self-vote, and eh. I know it's bad to be scared off by that, sets a horrible self-precedent, etc, but... leaning more null-town on him now).
So lynching you is both the safest play, and probably the best, given the huge lead we have.
Having issues getting previous pages to load for some reason - But the Niv/TK stuff starts at Post #50, and continues through each of their next post or two. I know post #50 because I've gone back to reference it like 26235 times, heh.
Is it possible that it was an early day mutual bussing? Sure, given I think they both swapped off it. I just think it's less likely than some other worlds we're in.
Although I might re-read him overNight, same with Kill Joy, given that I think Generic is town, and that you're more likely town than I previously thought. Aka I probably need to re-evaluate somewhere.
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Why are you trying to prematurely justify your town read on fulcrum here? Seems weird.
Guys, wasn't Seppel a Saint? So if Niv shot him, he would die too, no?
I think most likely explanation is that Fulcrum actually is the SK, though. It's pointless speculation anyways, since...she's claimed to be the SK, and is going to be lynched.
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Neither of you have been around much - name two remaining scum, and why, assuming Fulcrum flips SK.
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Okay.
Niv's death wasn't result of Seppel's role, then.
That confirms Fulcrum as SK, which...whatever. Wasn't exactly much doubt regarding that, heh.
Anyway, my suspects. I've voted one and the other I've given a case on.
Shockwave, who had terrible interactions with Niv. I hate that he's being forcibly replaced because instinct screams "lurking mafia", but I believe in giving the replacement the opportunity for explanation.
Wheat, his early voting for Day 2 was just... not what I would expect of him.
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Cyan (1): Killjoy
fulcrum (7): Shockwave07, Rhand, TK-421, Cyan, Voxxicus, Cantripmancer, Wheat_Grinder
Generic (1): Sir Karn
Sir Karn (1): fulcrum
Rahnd (1): Generic
Shockwave07 (1): Hunger
Not voting (1): 7hawk77
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to burn.
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TO: ABIN, AIVD, BND, CIA, CNI, CSIS, DGFI, GBI, G2, GRLS, HNA, HUR, INTERPOL, JGSDF, KAPO, KNB, MI5, MI6, MIT, ODIN, PET, RCMP, SAPO, SHiK, SND, SOVA, SuPo, SURETE, SV/SE, TC2, UJFC (E), WDO-4
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AN UNRELIABLE ASSET AND SECURITY RISK. ALL INTELLIGENCE FROM
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Name: Mannfred
Alignment: Neutral
Role: Assassin
Codename: fulcrum
Bio: German mercenary
It is now Night 2. Communication is forbidden until further notification. You have 72 hours to perform any night actions.
Name: Ron Cadillac
Alignment: Town
Role: Agent
Codename: Voxxicus
Bio: Car salesman, Malory
Archer's husband
Voxxicus is dead. Or should I say my husband? Now if you'll excuse me there's a fifth of gin with my name on it.
Day 3 has begun. With 11 alive, it takes 6 to burn. The deadline is 1100 EDT 28 July 2014.
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Are you assuming a vig, or an SK?
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So that means Cyan is confirmed unless someone else did something that could have prevented the NK.
I think we should massclaim toDay or toMorrow.
Missed the "assassin" part. So... a little of both?
Anyways, that pretty much answers my question. I will be reading this game on the weekend to get a feel for it.
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To answer your question, everyone is obvtown on your slot except myself and Karn. Oh and TK said he was wary of Shock too, but he never voted him.
@Cantrip - What is your status as far as being sacrificial toDay? Do you know what sort of/how good of info we would get toDay?
@TK - in #879 you said you voted one suspect and gave a case on the other. You then name Shock and Wheat, neither of which you have cased or voted as far as I can tell. What's the deal with that? If you were referring to how you said some stuff about Wheat when directly asked, I would say it is far from a case and you never actually called him scum there. It was pretty non-committal.
@Karn - Are you actually going to play the game toDay?
@KJ - Same as Karn.
@Cyan - Assuming you are telling the truth, which it feels like you are, it seems unlikely that scum has a RB since apparently you and Rhand were both able to function and are both still alive. Do you agree? Also, with an SK, do you still think scum would most likely have 4 members? Trying to figure out how to best PoE this.
Vote: LnG
Cyan needs to claim IMMEDIATELY what his remaining items are, and what they specifically do.
What exactly about me not paying attention comes from a scummy mindset?
If you are trying to get an easy mislynch before I have had a chance to read; I don't think it is going to work.
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I won't make an issue of it only if you can prove to me you're town or, failing that, have good intentions.
And I claimed Doc, didn't get counterclaimed, and there was no kill last night. On top of that, I was early on the Antny wagon, and maintained consistent pressure on him throughout the day. Beyond that, I correctly assessed that fulcrum was scum while he was mounting a bad attack on me. If I were scum, that would mean that I OMGUS'ed someone that was very likely to end up being town. How does that help me as scum? If he gets lynched and flips town, it just completely cements his attacks against me.
Also, I received a shotgun N1 that gives me a 1-shot daykill. Presumably this was given to me by Seppel. As scum, there is no way I would just sit on this all through yesterday, especially not once I had a million people wagon me.
We gonna use that gun to act like we have 2 lynches toDay or are you just passing on shooting whoever you feel like?
Unfortunately, Shock's no longer here. Now we need to see if LnGrrR is just as suspicious.
Cyan, why didn't you use, or even just mention, the gun yesterDay?
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For this summer, Germany.
That is explainable through other means.
I don't really know what to make of the Antny wagon because EVERYONE supported it.
That is true.
That's the main reason I was so nervous toDay.
Regardless, I am now satisfied you are what you say you are. I apologize for digging after it, but seeing that gun put me in "Hot damn, I think I just found scum" mode, even if the other item(s) I saw made sense for your claim.
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Also, based on what info I've determined from my role and what's been posted in the thread, I don't think it's necessarily impossible to have so many info roles.
Wheat COULD be scum, but its unlikely (more likely than Cyan right now though).
Not seeing TK as scum.
Rhand... hm... I don't know if I wanna believe him that he's a vig. Cyan might be scum with him though, assuming he and Rhand worked out last nights events together. Again, unlikely.
Remember that cantrip has hinted his is clearly based on him dying, while wheat hints at an item-cop. Both are very limited. I can't remember what Hawk claimed (or hinted at), but if it's just as limited, it's within the realm of possibility.
@Killjoy: With the size of the game, a 1-shot vig plus an assassin as "town" killing roles aren't out of the question.
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So, who IS scum then?
@TK: We didn't have a particularly viable wagon yesterday, daykilling someone wouldn't have accomplished anything. Plus I had no expectation of dying.
@Cantrip: do you think it has value for you to get shot after we have Wheat's claim?
@Rhand: Outcome murky, depending on your night action(s)? It's definitely something to consider. Actually, I should probably check one thing with the mod. Is Wheat, in your opinion, town or scum?
How many claims do we have out there already? Lots of PR discussion going on.
@Karn, I can't remember, but weren't you annoyed a few games ago because scum kept false-claiming vig? If so, what do you think of Rhand's vig claim?
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