I feel like it's just a massive miscommunication. IDK. It's not OP though.... It's a worse version of BP. By that standard, BP is more OP than Doc, cuz docs can miss. But whatever.
I'm OK with Cyan choosing when he shoots. I'm confident enough that he's town.
Re: Wheat. So, have you even tried to figure out if I'm telling the truth?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I feel like it's just a massive miscommunication. IDK. It's not OP though.... It's a worse version of BP. By that standard, BP is more OP than Doc, cuz docs can miss. But whatever.
I'm OK with Cyan choosing when he shoots. I'm confident enough that he's town.
Re: Wheat. So, have you even tried to figure out if I'm telling the truth?
You may have that ability. I wouldn't be surprised.
I don't see the point in not using the dayvig. Why risk losing it?
And TK is a bad lynch if we don't shoot KJ first - he is scummy mainly because of their interactions.
I am still unsure if Wheat's and Cantrip's ability can co-exist in town.
Wow. Who knew small satellites were so busy as to completely sell out every hotel in my town?
Anyway. Bulletproof. Worst claim ever, but it makes sense since we had a "big" killing role with the SK, and a "little" killing role with 1-shot vig, a "big" investigative item-cop and a "little" investigative with a death-cop. That would make Cyan the "big" doctor role with KJ being the "little" doctor role.
If TK is BP, then his whole "big" vs "little" roles post is contrived. He would clearly have to include himself in parallel with KJ's role. Maybe he doesn't claim it in that post, but if he was town BP and honestly trying to figure it out the "little" vs "big" thing shouldn't make sense to him and I don't think he would post it. And while he says worst claim ever, wouldn't town-BP-TK CC KJ there?
True, they are assumptions, but I am normally loathe to lynch power.
I will note that I didn't forget Seppel's killing ability. Since his role name was supplier, I actually placed him in the category "JoATs/Inventors/Fishers/Etc." (better known as "Utility"). I'm assuming he could do more, but just hadn't been able to.
Is there any chance that this could be a scum role? It seems like town has a good deal of power. Someone more experienced than me, please chime in.
Also, why is WG near confirmed town again?
A resurrection ability is extremely powerful for mafia, not to mention potentially problematic if we were down to 2vs2. Even a successful lynch would allow the mafiate to kill a townie and control the vote. I considered making the Phoenix role in Marvel Madness 2 (a townie) a resurrector, and it was too swingy. In a normal game, I'd consider it to be townie-only and being conditional makes it sound believable.
As for Wheat, he's been keeping claims honest, not outing everyone and helping the town. So the two options are that he's town, or that he's mafia who is going about town-clearing when possible. Since town-clearing is detrimental to mafia, Occam's Razor suggests he's town.
Also, WTF is this? Resurrection? Where did that come from?
The ability to be killed and continue living falls under the purview of resurrection type abilities. KJ's claim should be weaker than a true resurrection because I doubt there would be a full reveal. It would be stronger than a ghost who can talk as town-cleared, but has no vote.
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She wants a ride on the pony, dude.
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The only problem with shooting KJ, is if he has that ability as advertised as scum, we won't know until tomorrow. Makes Night actions and the lynch a bit trickier. I would be up for shooting LnG and lynching KJ though.
That said, Cyan said he would prefer to keep his shot until tomorrow, which I think definitely has merit. And he said he believes he will survive. I do also like the idea of saving the shot for CM, since it should likely leave us with either a scum reveal or 3 mostly confirmed town.
@TK - Hmm, I guess I can see why you would classify it as resurrection, but it still seems weird to me that you just started talking about it being so when KJ called it BP. It felt off.
And I don't see how your quoted post answers my post. Explain please.
@Cyan and Wheat - You and Rhand are pretty widely regarded as town. You seem to view each other as town other than Rhand recently saying he is unsure about Wheat. Why aren't you guys interacting more? Why don't you want to bounce ideas off of each other and figure out the game with other town? I have been trying to engage you guys and ask your opinions for exactly that reason, but it feels like you have almost no interaction together. If you are actually all town, I feel like you are squandering a lot scumhunting potential right now by not working together. Is it just not how you play? Why?
I think I actually like Rhand's idea, if we are going to shoot CM at some point, now seems like a good time. If you are all telling the truth we should likely have 3 confirmed townies after shooting him. Cyan, I don't like your argument that CM might be scum and so something bad could happen to Wheat. Even if Wheat dies and is town, 1 for 1 seems like a pretty sweet deal, especially considering we get two flips to help with the lynch for toDay still. I get why you would want to wait until tomorrow, but there is no way you can be certain you will survive tonight, even if you can Dr. yourself again, and if you die we lose a vig shot and have to lynch CM.
You want a read on Wheat over LnG, TK, Generic, hawk?
Yes. We won't ever be lynching Wheat because of his claimed power and some people saying they have a townread on him, and I keep thinking that he can't be town with Cantrip and that both their roles make sense as scum. (Wheat's as is and Cantrip's if he lies about how the ball works)
I actually would shoot Wheat over Cantrip because I have a townread on Cantrip and a scumread on Wheat, but that plan won't get any followers.
You're right that Cyan and me should act more as two (semi-)confirmed towns playing together.
I have to get over him fooling me in Crosstown first tho
* Killjoy is a semi-direct counterclaim. (they can still be scum together though)
* Cyan is a direct counterclaim. Because... Cyan can self-protect! A self-protecting doc AND a bulletproof in one town? I don't think so. That's two times the same role. (docs almost always self-protect when they can)
A bulletproof scum? Yes, that makes sense. There's a SK, a 1-shot vig and a supplier that hands out killing devices. Scum need protection from that.
* Killjoy is a semi-direct counterclaim. (they can still be scum together though)
* Cyan is a direct counterclaim. Because... Cyan can self-protect! A self-protecting doc AND a bulletproof in one town? I don't think so. That's two times the same role. (docs almost always self-protect when they can)
A bulletproof scum? Yes, that makes sense. There's a SK, a 1-shot vig and a supplier that hands out killing devices. Scum need protection from that.
unvote, vote TK
Shoot either Cantrip or KillJoy.
This is basically what I said that I found scummy from TK. His little big breakdown doesn't make sense when he includes himself in that trio and he didn't try to cc KJ. It's why I said I would rather lynch TK over KJ toDay.
I'm back from V/LA now, so I promise I won't miss any of your posts anymore
Cool. While you're at it, even though you already think TK is scum, care to look at his Niv interaction that I pointed out? I see the Antny wagon start, and Niv swap from TK to Karn in the midst of it while calling TK scum. Seems like it could have been distancing that he abandoned when the Antny wagon started. Can you read it and let me know if you agree or see something different that maybe makes TK look better?
I haven't been getting the super warm fuzzy town vibe from WG, BUT he does seem to be our only current outed information role.
Also, the scumteam had a janitor, which is an extremely strong ability. (See Apocalypse mafia.) so town needs some power to balance that out.
Cantrip is a claimed information role.
Why feel the need to point your not-really-a-read-on-Wheat-read to us?
Why is a janitor extremely strong?
Vote LnGrrrR
I like my vote there until we're ready to lynch/shoot KJ.
Weren't you in Apocalypse mafia? If so you should know this answer, but not knowing about a flip messed with town's ability to figure out mass claims and "break" the game. It becomes guesswork and allows scum to hide in false claims.
What is Cantrip? It would be nice if someone could put down a list or something; it seems everyone has items/powers. All I know about Cantrip is that if he dies, something happens.
I have been mentioning that I get weird vibes from Wheat for awhile now. If you end up shooting me, I want my thoughts out there. I am also not a fan of Hawk FWIW.
I would like to know why you think that is scummy though. Interesting swerve, considering you have concerns about Wheat also.
Besides TK, does anyone else think that KJ's power as described would be too strong on scum?
* Killjoy is a semi-direct counterclaim. (they can still be scum together though)
* Cyan is a direct counterclaim. Because... Cyan can self-protect! A self-protecting doc AND a bulletproof in one town? I don't think so. That's two times the same role. (docs almost always self-protect when they can)
A bulletproof scum? Yes, that makes sense. There's a SK, a 1-shot vig and a supplier that hands out killing devices. Scum need protection from that.
unvote, vote TK
Shoot either Cantrip or KillJoy.
Keep in mind that my ability is not passive, and that I don't have infinite potions.
But in general I agree with you. It's time to hear from TK. Unvote, Vote TK
@Hunger: what postnumber is your interaction thing?
I don't think I have a post that details it. I have talked about it at multiple stages in the game. After Niv's flip I was writing TK off as town for the interaction because they were going back and forth and it seemed genuine, but more recently I have been thinking it could have been distancing. Although, I thought it was after the Antny wagon had started, but it actually wasn't so now I am less sure it's distancing and it could possibly clear TK. I also have Karn as town for that interaction, which is pretty much the only thing that has had Karn town for me. I'm not sure if Niv was attacking two townies there and trying to get one to stick or if one of them is a buddy that he was trying to distance from.
Just ISO Niv's posts and you should see most of it. It's not even a full page so shouldn't take that long. I think everyone should do this btw.
The only problem with shooting KJ, is if he has that ability as advertised as scum, we won't know until tomorrow. Makes Night actions and the lynch a bit trickier. I would be up for shooting LnG and lynching KJ though.
If we do decide to shoot me today, the best strategy is just to ignore me until I flip.
* Killjoy is a semi-direct counterclaim. (they can still be scum together though)
* Cyan is a direct counterclaim. Because... Cyan can self-protect! A self-protecting doc AND a bulletproof in one town? I don't think so. That's two times the same role. (docs almost always self-protect when they can)
A bulletproof scum? Yes, that makes sense. There's a SK, a 1-shot vig and a supplier that hands out killing devices. Scum need protection from that.
The only problem with shooting KJ, is if he has that ability as advertised as scum, we won't know until tomorrow. Makes Night actions and the lynch a bit trickier. I would be up for shooting LnG and lynching KJ though.
* Killjoy is a semi-direct counterclaim. (they can still be scum together though)
* Cyan is a direct counterclaim. Because... Cyan can self-protect! A self-protecting doc AND a bulletproof in one town? I don't think so. That's two times the same role. (docs almost always self-protect when they can)
A bulletproof scum? Yes, that makes sense. There's a SK, a 1-shot vig and a supplier that hands out killing devices. Scum need protection from that.
unvote, vote TK
Shoot either Cantrip or KillJoy.
This is basically what I said that I found scummy from TK. His little big breakdown doesn't make sense when he includes himself in that trio and he didn't try to cc KJ. It's why I said I would rather lynch TK over KJ toDay.
What changed between these two posts? Is there something I'm missing here?
Also what does ISO mean? I see it around and still don't understand what it means.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
In the first one I say I'd be up for it. In the second I say it's my preference, but at the time I originally said it no one agreed. I wouldn't mind seeing the trio of you, TK, and LnG dead right now so any combination of those I would probably be able to get on board with even if it isn't my top choice.
I also want to hear back from at least Rhand and Cyan on Niv interactions. If you are town and want to help, I would encourage you to check it out with attention to what his interactions say about TK and Karn.
EWBOP: Oh yeah, ISO = Isolation. Reading a player's posts in isolation from the main thread to get a better feel for them and their progression. Can be easily done here using the search thread function and searching by author name.
@Cyan and Wheat - You and Rhand are pretty widely regarded as town. You seem to view each other as town other than Rhand recently saying he is unsure about Wheat. Why aren't you guys interacting more? Why don't you want to bounce ideas off of each other and figure out the game with other town? I have been trying to engage you guys and ask your opinions for exactly that reason, but it feels like you have almost no interaction together. If you are actually all town, I feel like you are squandering a lot scumhunting potential right now by not working together. Is it just not how you play? Why?
Because we're all working on finding the scum instead. There's no reason to ask each other many questions when we all see the reasoning each other posts. Time is better spent finding the scum.
@Generic - Thoughts on TK and KJ in light of recent events? I believe you are voting TK, but can you elaborate on your stance? I would also like you to read Niv's posts and look at the interactions particularly with TK, but I know you also have been pushing a scum read on Karn so I would like you to reflect on that as well in light of reading Niv's posts.
And karn being scum is a personal view, it's been based on the impression he gives off with his comments. I can compile a detailed rundown when I have more time but it started when he made that week as shot push on my on day 1 and was made worse when WG began auto clearing him and he did nothing afterwards.
I would say go for it just so I could see what makes you think I'm scum, but I know that I'd honestly just not want to read it because my eyes would just be rolling the whole time.
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I think at this point we're just waiting for Cyan to definitively decide if he wants to use his shot toDay or not?
@Hunger: what postnumber is your interaction thing?
I don't think I have a post that details it. I have talked about it at multiple stages in the game. After Niv's flip I was writing TK off as town for the interaction because they were going back and forth and it seemed genuine, but more recently I have been thinking it could have been distancing. Although, I thought it was after the Antny wagon had started, but it actually wasn't so now I am less sure it's distancing and it could possibly clear TK. I also have Karn as town for that interaction, which is pretty much the only thing that has had Karn town for me. I'm not sure if Niv was attacking two townies there and trying to get one to stick or if one of them is a buddy that he was trying to distance from.
Just ISO Niv's posts and you should see most of it. It's not even a full page so shouldn't take that long. I think everyone should do this btw.
Heh, you're right. He kept himself open to jump off the TK wagon again all the time... like literally in every post.
If TK is scum, Karn should be town.
And I don't see how your quoted post answers my post. Explain please.
A) The question is "I mentioned "Large/small" dichotomies of groupings. How do I explain myself?"
B) I quote my posts where I state besides the 3 normal groups (info, vig and doc), Seppel fell into a 4th category, "Utility".
C) No one else has claimed a secondary utility role.
* Killjoy is a semi-direct counterclaim. (they can still be scum together though)
* Cyan is a direct counterclaim. Because... Cyan can self-protect! A self-protecting doc AND a bulletproof in one town? I don't think so. That's two times the same role. (docs almost always self-protect when they can)
A bulletproof scum? Yes, that makes sense. There's a SK, a 1-shot vig and a supplier that hands out killing devices. Scum need protection from that.
unvote, vote TK
Shoot either Cantrip or KillJoy.
Neither are a counterclaim. I never claimed to be a protective role (or any role for that matter). Wheat merely saw a BP vest on me, not that I was a protective role. Apparently, he cannot see abilities...
I could keep you all guessing. It's quite amusing watching you fumble about.
Suckers. It's beneath these spoils.
I'm a 1-shot backup. On night 1, I targeted KJ, and received a vest.
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She wants a ride on the pony, dude.
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Do you guys even have a firm idea as to whom you would want me to shoot?
Who do you want to shoot?
You are supposed to be the confirmed townie Dr. that hasn't trusted other peoples' reads this game. I would think you would be more assertive in your plan on who to shoot.
I would like to shoot CM toDay. He needs to die at some point and not having to use a lynch on it would be ideal, and like Rhand said, if Wheat doesn't get cleared this way, he will likely never be lynched so if scum he skates to lylo. There is also the chance that CM is just scum like you seem to think is a possibility, and you could be right.
And I don't see how your quoted post answers my post. Explain please.
A) The question is "I mentioned "Large/small" dichotomies of groupings. How do I explain myself?"
B) I quote my posts where I state besides the 3 normal groups (info, vig and doc), Seppel fell into a 4th category, "Utility".
C) No one else has claimed a secondary utility role.
* Killjoy is a semi-direct counterclaim. (they can still be scum together though)
* Cyan is a direct counterclaim. Because... Cyan can self-protect! A self-protecting doc AND a bulletproof in one town? I don't think so. That's two times the same role. (docs almost always self-protect when they can)
A bulletproof scum? Yes, that makes sense. There's a SK, a 1-shot vig and a supplier that hands out killing devices. Scum need protection from that.
unvote, vote TK
Shoot either Cantrip or KillJoy.
Neither are a counterclaim. I never claimed to be a protective role (or any role for that matter). Wheat merely saw a BP vest on me, not that I was a protective role. Apparently, he cannot see abilities...
I could keep you all guessing. It's quite amusing watching you fumble about.
Suckers. It's beneath these spoils.
I'm a 1-shot backup. On night 1, I targeted KJ, and received a vest.
So, you are putting yourself in the utility spot. That's actually a really good claim and fits with your analysis. Granted, after the fact you could fit it in so WIFOM. Can you elaborate on your role? Would you get an item regardless of who you target and what it is changes depending on the target? What if you target Vanilla? Why did you target KJ Night 1?
I have an outstanding question to the mod about order of operations. Probably got lost in the mix so:
@Mod - Are Night actions order of operations information we are privy to?
I think this is just TK inventing a new claim because he can't get away with bulletproof.
I can't imagine the mod having an item ready for every role out there to hand to TK. And where would the vest come from? KillJoy sure hasn't got one.
I would be very surprised if Wheat got to see an item that wasn't in TK's possession at the start of N1.
@Mod - Are Night actions order of operations information we are privy to?
I can't divulge much information given the roles in the game. In general, it goes like this: non-investigative abilities > investigative abilities > kills.
@Mod - Are Night actions order of operations information we are privy to?
I can't divulge much information given the roles in the game. In general, it goes like this: non-investigative abilities > investigative abilities > kills.
So that would be enough to conclude that it's at least possible that:
1. Seppel could have given Cyan the Shotgun N1 before he died.
2. TK could have received the Vest N1 before Wheat checked him.
I'm OK with Cyan choosing when he shoots. I'm confident enough that he's town.
Re: Wheat. So, have you even tried to figure out if I'm telling the truth?
If we're not, then when can us who have said that we're willing to vote Killjoy move our votes.
And if we are shooting someone, when's that gonna happen.
You may have that ability. I wouldn't be surprised.
But you're not town. I'm certain you're not.
And TK is a bad lynch if we don't shoot KJ first - he is scummy mainly because of their interactions.
I am still unsure if Wheat's and Cantrip's ability can co-exist in town.
The ability to be killed and continue living falls under the purview of resurrection type abilities. KJ's claim should be weaker than a true resurrection because I doubt there would be a full reveal. It would be stronger than a ghost who can talk as town-cleared, but has no vote.
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Also, the scumteam had a janitor, which is an extremely strong ability. (See Apocalypse mafia.) so town needs some power to balance that out.
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Cantrip is a claimed information role.
Why feel the need to point your not-really-a-read-on-Wheat-read to us?
Why is a janitor extremely strong?
Vote LnGrrrR
I like my vote there until we're ready to lynch/shoot KJ.
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And I don't see how your quoted post answers my post. Explain please.
I think I actually like Rhand's idea, if we are going to shoot CM at some point, now seems like a good time. If you are all telling the truth we should likely have 3 confirmed townies after shooting him. Cyan, I don't like your argument that CM might be scum and so something bad could happen to Wheat. Even if Wheat dies and is town, 1 for 1 seems like a pretty sweet deal, especially considering we get two flips to help with the lynch for toDay still. I get why you would want to wait until tomorrow, but there is no way you can be certain you will survive tonight, even if you can Dr. yourself again, and if you die we lose a vig shot and have to lynch CM.
Yes. We won't ever be lynching Wheat because of his claimed power and some people saying they have a townread on him, and I keep thinking that he can't be town with Cantrip and that both their roles make sense as scum. (Wheat's as is and Cantrip's if he lies about how the ball works)
I actually would shoot Wheat over Cantrip because I have a townread on Cantrip and a scumread on Wheat, but that plan won't get any followers.
You're right that Cyan and me should act more as two (semi-)confirmed towns playing together.
I have to get over him fooling me in Crosstown first tho
* Killjoy is a semi-direct counterclaim. (they can still be scum together though)
* Cyan is a direct counterclaim. Because... Cyan can self-protect! A self-protecting doc AND a bulletproof in one town? I don't think so. That's two times the same role. (docs almost always self-protect when they can)
A bulletproof scum? Yes, that makes sense. There's a SK, a 1-shot vig and a supplier that hands out killing devices. Scum need protection from that.
unvote, vote TK
Shoot either Cantrip or KillJoy.
Weren't you in Apocalypse mafia? If so you should know this answer, but not knowing about a flip messed with town's ability to figure out mass claims and "break" the game. It becomes guesswork and allows scum to hide in false claims.
What is Cantrip? It would be nice if someone could put down a list or something; it seems everyone has items/powers. All I know about Cantrip is that if he dies, something happens.
I have been mentioning that I get weird vibes from Wheat for awhile now. If you end up shooting me, I want my thoughts out there. I am also not a fan of Hawk FWIW.
I would like to know why you think that is scummy though. Interesting swerve, considering you have concerns about Wheat also.
Besides TK, does anyone else think that KJ's power as described would be too strong on scum?
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Vote Count 3.3
7hawk77 (1): Sir Karn
Hunger (1): LnGrrrR
Killjoy (3): 7hawk77, Wheat_Grinder, Generic
TK-421 (1): Rhand
Not voting (5): TK-421, Hunger, Killjoy, Cyan, Cantripmancer
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to burn. The deadline is 1100 EDT 28 July 2014.
Keep in mind that my ability is not passive, and that I don't have infinite potions.
But in general I agree with you. It's time to hear from TK. Unvote, Vote TK
@Lngr: I was the one that got killed with the janitor shot. That didn't have great consequences as far as i remember.
Just ISO Niv's posts and you should see most of it. It's not even a full page so shouldn't take that long. I think everyone should do this btw.
I do. I asked this a while back, actually.
This makes quite a bit of sense. Vote TK
What changed between these two posts? Is there something I'm missing here?
Also what does ISO mean? I see it around and still don't understand what it means.
I also want to hear back from at least Rhand and Cyan on Niv interactions. If you are town and want to help, I would encourage you to check it out with attention to what his interactions say about TK and Karn.
I'm fine with either one hanging between he and KJ. Rhand has it absolutely right.
Because we're all working on finding the scum instead. There's no reason to ask each other many questions when we all see the reasoning each other posts. Time is better spent finding the scum.
Exactly. Town deeper around forever the last few Days, because we couldn't figure out where the info role was, or if we had one, etc etc.
@Killjoy, ok.
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I would say go for it just so I could see what makes you think I'm scum, but I know that I'd honestly just not want to read it because my eyes would just be rolling the whole time.
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I think at this point we're just waiting for Cyan to definitively decide if he wants to use his shot toDay or not?
Just vote no shot if you want to keep it until tomorrow.
I'm going to vote when Cantripmancer posts his thoughts about wanting to take the bullet.
Heh, you're right. He kept himself open to jump off the TK wagon again all the time... like literally in every post.
If TK is scum, Karn should be town.
A) The question is "I mentioned "Large/small" dichotomies of groupings. How do I explain myself?"
B) I quote my posts where I state besides the 3 normal groups (info, vig and doc), Seppel fell into a 4th category, "Utility".
C) No one else has claimed a secondary utility role.
Neither are a counterclaim. I never claimed to be a protective role (or any role for that matter). Wheat merely saw a BP vest on me, not that I was a protective role. Apparently, he cannot see abilities...
I could keep you all guessing. It's quite amusing watching you fumble about.
I'm a 1-shot backup. On night 1, I targeted KJ, and received a vest.
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You are supposed to be the confirmed townie Dr. that hasn't trusted other peoples' reads this game. I would think you would be more assertive in your plan on who to shoot.
I would like to shoot CM toDay. He needs to die at some point and not having to use a lynch on it would be ideal, and like Rhand said, if Wheat doesn't get cleared this way, he will likely never be lynched so if scum he skates to lylo. There is also the chance that CM is just scum like you seem to think is a possibility, and you could be right.
I have an outstanding question to the mod about order of operations. Probably got lost in the mix so:
@Mod - Are Night actions order of operations information we are privy to?
I think this is just TK inventing a new claim because he can't get away with bulletproof.
I can't imagine the mod having an item ready for every role out there to hand to TK. And where would the vest come from? KillJoy sure hasn't got one.
I would be very surprised if Wheat got to see an item that wasn't in TK's possession at the start of N1.
I can't divulge much information given the roles in the game. In general, it goes like this: non-investigative abilities > investigative abilities > kills.
1. Seppel could have given Cyan the Shotgun N1 before he died.
2. TK could have received the Vest N1 before Wheat checked him.
Night 1.
I can answer for myself, thank you Hunger.
Scarbo's order would make it possible.
...If not for the fact that KJ's ability is NOT A BULLETPROOF VEST
Let's lynch it.
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