At the time it seemed like people were getting derailed by the existence of them. I fell in to the same trap, maybe I should practice what I preach. Its easier to be objective about other people.
At the time it seemed like people were getting derailed by the existence of them. I fell in to the same trap, maybe I should practice what I preach. Its easier to be objective about other people.
Fair enough.
God, tempted to replace out - can't get any good solid reads going, and it feels like whoever we're lynching this game is going to be like throwing darts at a dartboard. The inactivity + this having the vibe of a MS game is also killing my enthusiasm.
But I'm done apologizing as it's not fair with all of you. I'll find my way to dedicate time to Mafia tomorrow/Monday no matter what. EXPECT ME.
Looking forward for your thoughts.
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Didn't Tar already give his reasoning in post #98? You keep saying you need to talk to Tar about hammering SSK, but his opinion is clear. I don't like how you're using your hydra partner as a shield for voicing your opinions.
If you'll read closely:
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I've played with MafiaSSK before. I've modded games SSK played in before. I, in short, have quite a bit of experience with MafiaSSK.
Under ABSOLUTELY NO CIRCUMSTANCES (except MAYBE a Cop guilty on a non-SSK player, and even then I'd consider lynching SSK first) should any player not named MafiaSSK be lynched tomorrow. He just claimed scum.
BULL. ****ING. ****.
This is a GREAT D1 for you - because you quickhammered a townie and you're hoping you'll be able to pull the VI "oops" defense.
Just like Seppel tried to do in MTGS Majora's Mask and like Rodemy pulled in Drury Lane.
NOT going to save you.
(Aside: 'Scummers, THIS is why the MTGS L-2 rule exists. I'm surprised 'Scum has forgotten, L-2 used to be the rule over there too.)
Do you see any reasoning from Tar in this post? No - it's just "SSK claimed scum, he's going to pull the VI defense". I'm a bit skeptical of Tar's experience with SSK since it's like 3-5 years out of date, and that's why I need to talk to Tar about /why/ - he's stated in hydra chat and ITT that he should not escape the lynch today, but he never elaborated why (and he's been MIA since late April)
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fulcrum, feel free to press B_E on his MafiaSSK flip-flop - seriously annoyed at that guy and still have a ? read on him, and the worse case scenario is probably good for us anyways.
Dolls don't have mothers, but it's my understanding that most humans do and you even have a day to honor them. How lovely! The deadline has been moved back one day, to Friday the 16th at 12:59 PM EDT.
If the deadline is reached without a majority lynch, the player with the most votes will be lynched if and only if there's no tie for most. Otherwise, the Day ends with no lynch.
He said that quickhammering is a classic VIscum move (Rodemy in Drury, Seppel in Majora's Mask) and he actually took a look back at SSK's recent meta (he admits that his old meta on SSK is old - six years ago)
He's convinced he's scum based off of a recent meta dive (Nat's Mini Normal - town, =8391]GIF's Touhou game - scum). He's not questioning, he's not probing, he's just slinging mud. Couple that with the quickhammer and yeah.
He's also convinced that BE is his scumbuddy based on how he attacked SSK hard D1 but backed off toDay.
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I have hawk and Kosa as light townreads. Tar has SNL as a townread.
I think we need to lynch SSK today to move the game forwards, then re-evaluate based on his flip.
Want to hear thoughts from fulcrum and Kosa, however, before we switch our vote. hans Doll's only contribution being a emoticon does not impress me.
First B_E, explanations. MafiaSSK is now the default lynch. If you don't want us to lynch him, start explaining why we shouldn't.
On that note, MafiaSSK, what happened to all that information you got from RVS and the "good" Day 1?
Proph: What's the worse case scenario you mentioned when you gave me permission to scumhunt? Also, why are you pursuing a figurine lynch when the hans doll joined the game after the night kill?
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Is there a reason that both poppets are attacking B_E?
First B_E, explanations. MafiaSSK is now the default lynch. If you don't want us to lynch him, start explaining why we shouldn't.
On that note, MafiaSSK, what happened to all that information you got from RVS and the "good" Day 1?
Proph: What's the worse case scenario you mentioned when you gave me permission to scumhunt? Also, why are you pursuing a figurine lynch when the hans doll joined the game after the night kill?
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Is there a reason that both poppets are attacking B_E?
That's fair, I'll totally get back to you on that tomorrow.
First B_E, explanations. MafiaSSK is now the default lynch. If you don't want us to lynch him, start explaining why we shouldn't.
On that note, MafiaSSK, what happened to all that information you got from RVS and the "good" Day 1?
Proph: What's the worse case scenario you mentioned when you gave me permission to scumhunt? Also, why are you pursuing a figurine lynch when the hans doll joined the game after the night kill?
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Is there a reason that both poppets are attacking B_E?
Uh, because it's a policy lynch based off two words? Not actual posts?
- Hawk is 99% town based on #25 alone.
- Fulcrum is probably town. Agressive method of questioning fits her town meta.
- Nearly everything Lain posts make my neck skin crawl. Not sure if because scum or hydra (Generic and Rhand managed to get me infuriated around hydras).
- Mixed feelings on B_E. A good chunk of his posts makes me get stuck with the "too scummy to be scum" adage in my head, so I'm torn.
- Nothing of note on SNL and the dolls. I'll eventually reread focusing on them.
Oh and yeah, MafiaSSK has to be hanged no matter what. I refuse to let people get away Cyan-style with quickhammering after being SPECIFICALLY TOLD NOT TO. I'm not losing this game to scum playing VI.
If we don't quicklynch SSK I will link you to that MS micro in which the random quickhammerer do the cop was not speedlynched. And you will read it!
One of these things is not like the other~
Oh wow you caught me with your superior deductive skills.
Right, let me explain this to you. I can't understand where you are coming from. You make decisions without explaining them, you change your mind and then pretend that you never had any reasons for your first decision, you give useless responses when asked for your reasoning, you don't seem to care about stopping what you claim is a policy lynch, and you haven't been pushing anyone you actually believe to be scum. You will shape up or you will be lynched. There is no middle ground.
hawk: Give me something. What do you think of Kosa and Lain's reads? What about B_E's bull*****?
Proph: I'm not your attack dog. If you're going to tell me to back off, I want very specific reasons why after the fact.
I thought B_E was the cop who got an innocent on SSK.
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Proph: What's the worse case scenario you mentioned when you gave me permission to scumhunt? Also, why are you pursuing a figurine lynch when the hans doll joined the game after the night kill?
After reflection, I realized that the worst case scenario was that B_E revealed as the cop and got an innocent on SSK, which means that two people would be cleared. That would allow me to focus on the {hans doll, Kosa, hawk, SNL, fulcrum} cluster.
I want the hans doll to do something, even if he has a bad posting restriction.
Proph: I'm not your attack dog. If you're going to tell me to back off, I want very specific reasons why after the fact.
I thought B_E was the cop who got an innocent on SSK.
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Proph: What's the worse case scenario you mentioned when you gave me permission to scumhunt? Also, why are you pursuing a figurine lynch when the hans doll joined the game after the night kill?
After reflection, I realized that the worst case scenario was that B_E revealed as the cop and got an innocent on SSK, which means that two people would be cleared. That would allow me to focus on the {hans doll, Kosa, hawk, SNL, fulcrum} cluster.
Oh. For some reason, I didn't make that connection until yesterday-ish. IMO, if he's the cop and has an innocent check on mafiassk, he needs to claim.
I mean, I want him to interact with the thread more and scumhunt, rather than be in perpetual catchup mode.
Inactivity probably points to him being town, though, as bizarre as that is.
1) I'm not in catchup mode anymore. MafiaSSK has to die, then we'll see.
2) The next time I finally get a scum role (which would be my second in EIGHTEEN FRICKING MONTHS), it will be so disappointing having to conceal my excitement by playing into my disengaged, lurker town meta.
The ganderin_dan Doll and the Void Doll are both V/LA until Friday. Since this was the ganderin_dan Doll's second prod and is the Void Doll's second V/LA period, I'll be monitoring their activity closely to see if replacement or modkills are necessary.
That's not a <I>reason</I>. Do you think SSK meta points to him being town? Then show us games and posts that support that. This is not a policy lynch, because SSK made a blatantly scum move with a hollow reaction afterwards. Add in that he's not defending himself and not following up on my request for analysis, and I want him dead. If you want us to not lynch him, then defend him and start another lynch.
Hansantor and the hansanator figurine are not the same thing. Hans is a townie, while the hansanator figurine is living doll that counts as a player. When Proph said he was town-reading hansanator yesterday, he didn't mean that he was townreading the hansanator figurine, as it wasn't even in the game.
The thing that bothers me about this is it's just so ... stupid. Who tries to defend a scummate without even spouting some bull***** to back it up?
Yeah, I know B_E has a habit of (very weakly) defending inevitable lynches, but he's given nothing for me to work with, if he's town. Most of this game hasn't, admittedly.
You should hammer - we have less than 3 hours left.
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@B_E
Thanks for Garcia'ing me, bro.
Your #159 is also a major misrep.
Tempted to lynch you out of pure annoyance.
@hawk
How do you feel good about Kosa, when he only has six posts and none of them have actual content in them?
Please clarify your stance on Poppets, too.
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That's actually a good point I haven't thought of.
However, why do you keep dodging this question?
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7hawk77 (1) - MafiaSSK
Lain Iwakura (1) - Burning_Earth
MafiaSSK (1) - SelesnyaNewLife
Abstaining (5) - fulcrum, Kosakosa, Lain Iwakura, 7hawk77, hansanator Doll
Remember, your deadline is in less than six days!(Updated deadline here!)(Kosakosa has been prodded.)
Exactly, anxious.
And as for my own actions? Quick hammers=/=anxiousness.
But I'm done apologizing as it's not fair with all of you. I'll find my way to dedicate time to Mafia tomorrow/Monday no matter what. EXPECT ME.
Huh!
Fair enough.
God, tempted to replace out - can't get any good solid reads going, and it feels like whoever we're lynching this game is going to be like throwing darts at a dartboard. The inactivity + this having the vibe of a MS game is also killing my enthusiasm.
Looking forward for your thoughts.
If you'll read closely:
Do you see any reasoning from Tar in this post? No - it's just "SSK claimed scum, he's going to pull the VI defense". I'm a bit skeptical of Tar's experience with SSK since it's like 3-5 years out of date, and that's why I need to talk to Tar about /why/ - he's stated in hydra chat and ITT that he should not escape the lynch today, but he never elaborated why (and he's been MIA since late April)
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fulcrum, feel free to press B_E on his MafiaSSK flip-flop - seriously annoyed at that guy and still have a ? read on him, and the worse case scenario is probably good for us anyways.
~p
Leaning scum on MafiaSSK.
Null on everyone else.
Vote hansanator Doll
Hey, you.
Even with your posting restriction, you still have to, y'know.
Participate.
I agree, hans (or whoever you are), do stuff.
But that's still only five days away! Reminder:
hansanator Doll (1) - Lain Iwakura
7hawk77 (1) - MafiaSSK
Lain Iwakura (1) - Burning_Earth
MafiaSSK (1) - SelesnyaNewLife
Abstaining (4) - fulcrum, Kosakosa, 7hawk77, hansanator Doll
He said that quickhammering is a classic VIscum move (Rodemy in Drury, Seppel in Majora's Mask) and he actually took a look back at SSK's recent meta (he admits that his old meta on SSK is old - six years ago)
He's convinced he's scum based off of a recent meta dive (Nat's Mini Normal - town, =8391]GIF's Touhou game - scum). He's not questioning, he's not probing, he's just slinging mud. Couple that with the quickhammer and yeah.
He's also convinced that BE is his scumbuddy based on how he attacked SSK hard D1 but backed off toDay.
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I have hawk and Kosa as light townreads. Tar has SNL as a townread.
I think we need to lynch SSK today to move the game forwards, then re-evaluate based on his flip.
Want to hear thoughts from fulcrum and Kosa, however, before we switch our vote. hans Doll's only contribution being a emoticon does not impress me.
~p
Proph: I'm not your attack dog. If you're going to tell me to back off, I want very specific reasons why after the fact.
On that note, MafiaSSK, what happened to all that information you got from RVS and the "good" Day 1?
Proph: What's the worse case scenario you mentioned when you gave me permission to scumhunt? Also, why are you pursuing a figurine lynch when the hans doll joined the game after the night kill?
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Is there a reason that both poppets are attacking B_E?
That's fair, I'll totally get back to you on that tomorrow.
Uh, because it's a policy lynch based off two words? Not actual posts?
One of these things is not like the other~
Finished my
skimreread:- Hawk is 99% town based on #25 alone.
- Fulcrum is probably town. Agressive method of questioning fits her town meta.
- Nearly everything Lain posts make my neck skin crawl. Not sure if because scum or hydra (Generic and Rhand managed to get me infuriated around hydras).
- Mixed feelings on B_E. A good chunk of his posts makes me get stuck with the "too scummy to be scum" adage in my head, so I'm torn.
- Nothing of note on SNL and the dolls. I'll eventually reread focusing on them.
Oh and yeah, MafiaSSK has to be hanged no matter what. I refuse to let people get away Cyan-style with quickhammering after being SPECIFICALLY TOLD NOT TO. I'm not losing this game to scum playing VI.
Vote MafiaSSK
Oh wow you caught me with your superior deductive skills.
88 hours!
We are almost out of time
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Right, let me explain this to you. I can't understand where you are coming from. You make decisions without explaining them, you change your mind and then pretend that you never had any reasons for your first decision, you give useless responses when asked for your reasoning, you don't seem to care about stopping what you claim is a policy lynch, and you haven't been pushing anyone you actually believe to be scum. You will shape up or you will be lynched. There is no middle ground.
hawk: Give me something. What do you think of Kosa and Lain's reads? What about B_E's bull*****?
I thought B_E was the cop who got an innocent on SSK.
After reflection, I realized that the worst case scenario was that B_E revealed as the cop and got an innocent on SSK, which means that two people would be cleared. That would allow me to focus on the {hans doll, Kosa, hawk, SNL, fulcrum} cluster.
I want the hans doll to do something, even if he has a bad posting restriction.
Thanks for this.
Hey, hey, fulcrum.
What does this remind you of?
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I want SSK to claim.
~p
Oh. For some reason, I didn't make that connection until yesterday-ish. IMO, if he's the cop and has an innocent check on mafiassk, he needs to claim.
Hey, hey Proph.
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I'm drawing a blank. I just know that I want to punch it.
Is that all that you have to say regarding Kosa?
MafiaSSK (3) - SelesnyaNewLife, Kosakosa, 7hawk77
hansanator Doll (1) - Lain Iwakura
7hawk77 (1) - MafiaSSK
Lain Iwakura (1) - Burning_Earth
Abstaining (2) - fulcrum, hansanator Doll
Agreed.
I'll give you a hint.
What do these two posts remind you of?
I mean, I want him to interact with the thread more and scumhunt, rather than be in perpetual catchup mode.
Inactivity probably points to him being town, though, as bizarre as that is.
1) I'm not in catchup mode anymore. MafiaSSK has to die, then we'll see.
2) The next time I finally get a scum role (which would be my second in EIGHTEEN FRICKING MONTHS), it will be so disappointing having to conceal my excitement by playing into my disengaged, lurker town meta.
I think I've already been a neutral 4 or 5 times more than I've been scum. Gotta love RNG.
Also, I don't think I would claim if I was one and I don't like Tar/Proph for suggesting it.
I meant fulcrum.
Also, DO NOT WIFOM THIS. I am definitely in no way a cop.
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If B_E's not a cop, then I would like to hear ~reasons~ behind his rapid 180 on MafiaSSK overNight, and not one-liner deflection/poor responses.
SNL has not been reading my posts.
I want to hear SSK's flavor.
~p
Lynching SSK is bad because
1. He has a meta
2. It's a policy lynch
Here this guy says he's leaning town on someone who he votes
Hansantor and the hansanator figurine are not the same thing. Hans is a townie, while the hansanator figurine is living doll that counts as a player. When Proph said he was town-reading hansanator yesterday, he didn't mean that he was townreading the hansanator figurine, as it wasn't even in the game.
What else do you have?
Vote MafiaSSK
fulcrum, any follow up to the "drawing a blank" stuff? You just dropped it without acknowledging it, which is weird.
The thing that bothers me about this is it's just so ... stupid. Who tries to defend a scummate without even spouting some bull***** to back it up?
Yeah, I know B_E has a habit of (very weakly) defending inevitable lynches, but he's given nothing for me to work with, if he's town. Most of this game hasn't, admittedly.
You should hammer - we have less than 3 hours left.