Are there any other major points in the KOL case at this point?
When you phrase it like this I feel like you're saying "I'm aware of what you said already, but will include the word 'major' so I can dismiss anything out of hand'
My ISO isn't that big and the case isn not exactly a giant wall of info - it's about two points. Go read it and fake scumhunting some more.
[1]Do you agree with his fate town read?
[2]Since you find everything I've done as meh, but you also think ced is bad, did you just skip over my issues with ced or do you have other independent issues with him?
[3]What do you find scummy about Az?
1. Eh...I don't disagree with it. I lean semi town on Fate just because he's bugging on DGB too, and for an MTSer to do that with her usual aura of 'let's not lynch DGB' it feels kind of generically good to me. I have no actual town case on him though, so it's not strong either.
2. I couldn't describe your issues with him without going back and looking, though I suspect it's probably pretty safe to say my issues with him are going to be different - mine are based around his vote movement on Az, I doubt yours are. Whether or not we had the same reads on a player I don't know why that would obligate me to adjust my read on you.
3. I've said it once, I'll say it again, he feels fake. I seem to recall even deleting that from this post when I was trimming down your comment to respond to - which means you quoted me stating reasoning on Az and then asked me about it...bwuh?
Could you be a dear and point me to a time when *town* you declared dgb a policy lynch. Tia!
I potentially could - but I have no particular desire to go dig through my games to do so.
You'll note that DGB is well aware that I call for her policy lynch, and she also hasn't said that me doing so is a town or scumtell - so I suspect it's pretty safe to presume I've done it as both alignments.
You were town in crosstown 2 when you claimed the abilit to read me and scum in ny169 when the majority of your time revolved around egads but couldn't that be fake anger? Ger golly gosh didn't she speed through emotions a little too quickly? Could be fake but nacho says she can't? Hrm oh gee but when you read the meta you start to believe she can't...
All right.
But that leads to a simple question;
Did I as town *ever* claim that I thought you couldn't fake emotion?
I know I claimed other people thought that.
I know I claimed disbelief of that.
Now, you can ask Nacho, who has hydra-ed as scum with me what my number one basic rule of being scum is.
I bet he'll mention something like this "Thor doesn't lie as scum, and thinks scum who lie as scum are bad scum."
When I talk theory and scumhunting as scum, and what I believe about people?
I don't lie.
No matter my alignment.
It helps me keep my stories straight when I'm scum because I can answer honestly. And then people are all like "gosh, he sounds soooo honest, and is responding quickly, and it all seems to flow logically - he must be town!"
And then they call me a good scumhunter.
All while they fake their play, because they don't understand how scummy they are when town. I know *exactly* how much better I want my town game to be, which means I know what huge and scummy flaws I have to allow me to mislynch anyone, anytime, anywhere without the need to be as pathetic as to lie or fake to acheive it.
If Nacho says anything about this commentary is a lie I will happily accept my lynch today as long as everyone voting me promises to lynch him tomorrow.
Now, Tammmy...I note you then complain and duk when you think I'm trying to "bait you" to get a reaction.
Something that...y'know, if you thought I understood your emotive actions would be...rather in line with trying to scumhunt you.
Except you try to dodge doing it...why?
@Nacho - Why do you think she dodged and acted offended that I wanted to bait her for emotional reactions? Especially considering that she's calling me scummy for believing she can fake them to some degree?
So wait let me get this straight. You disagree with Nacho, who can read me by the way, that I'm town and the only thing I've done is meh. But when I ask you about my thoughts on ced, you say you have to go back and see what I've said???
BUT fascinating trip down mafia theory lane on honesty blah blah blah. I'm telling you that I noticed you were being fake and acting like you weren't sure about me being able to fake emotions when you were scum. You might say oh I don't like when I'm scum swear, and that's all kool and the gang but the fact is you were scum, knew I was town and were waxing fake about whether or not I could be real during that game.
You feel the same this game.
You're not engaging with my motivations OR anything I've actually done or said. That's scummy. I mean sure, call me a dodger, baby doll, push for my lynch. I said in my first post, I'm cool with all that jazz, it frees me from a place I don't want to be anyway so it's all cool. It's free for you to do, so go hog wild, just stop with the pretending k?
And just so you know, in the games I've followed, you've more often called for a dgb policy lynch when you've been scum.
So wait let me get this straight. You disagree with Nacho, who can read me by the way, that I'm town and the only thing I've done is meh. But when I ask you about my thoughts on ced, you say you have to go back and see what I've said???
Come now Thor.
Ah, yes, because having thoughts that are not well remembered off the top of my head proves how unlikely it is that I consider your contributions to be 'meh'.
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...wait, isn't that actually *exactly* what that would mean? I mean, seriously...do you think I'm calling you scum here and hate what you've posted? or do you think I find it 'meh' and you not town (which is what I've said). What are you talking about here?
I did disagree with Nacho - he is aware of my opinion on his meta read ability. I don't hate it, but I hardly find it infallible. I don't understand how that has anything to do with the price of tea in China.
I think it looks fake on your point, and your attempt to bait me while super cute is silly and terrible. If you want to talk about the game with me, feel free. But what you're obviously trying to do is elicit an emotional response to keep busy, and quite frankly I'd rather go water my plants.
"Thor, what are you saying I'm dodging when you say I'm dodging trying to give an emotional response? Oh Thor, THOR! You so scum, you need to explain this to me because I have a case of the vapors and just cannot imagine of what you speak of!"
- Tammy, 2014
I think it looks fake on your point, and your attempt to bait me while super cute is silly and terrible. If you want to talk about the game with me, feel free. But what you're obviously trying to do is elicit an emotional response to keep busy, and quite frankly I'd rather go water my plants.
"Thor, what are you saying I'm dodging when you say I'm dodging trying to give an emotional response? Oh Thor, THOR! You so scum, you need to explain this to me because I have a case of the vapors and just cannot imagine of what you speak of!"
- Tammy, 2014
So. Is what you're actually saying is I'm dodging giving an emotional response? Though I mean, let's not forget I already gave one that you're just dismissing. But are yo trying to say you need me to give an emotional response to you in order to read me? Please say yes!
But, if no, I don't see your point? You think I can fake emotional responses, so what from your point of view do I gain from starting the game needing a break? Like this should not be smurfing hard for you to assess.
But hey, here are a few things that I think are just as conducive to the gamestate as discussing my smurfetted up emotional state that I'd prefer to talk about right now:
My adorable cat
The compost bin I built for my veggie balcony today
The flowers I arranged for my zen reading balcony
The fact that I got to sit outside in the sun and drink tequila shots and NOT look at a pile of snow n the ground
SUMMER IS COMING
I'm considering buying the ps4, what do you think?
I've finally decided on the color scheme for my craft/guest room.
So wait let me get this straight. You disagree with Nacho, who can read me by the way, that I'm town and the only thing I've done is meh. But when I ask you about my thoughts on ced, you say you have to go back and see what I've said???
Come now Thor.
Ah, yes, because having thoughts that are not well remembered off the top of my head proves how unlikely it is that I consider your contributions to be 'meh'.
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...wait, isn't that actually *exactly* what that would mean? I mean, seriously...do you think I'm calling you scum here and hate what you've posted? or do you think I find it 'meh' and you not town (which is what I've said). What are you talking about here?
I did disagree with Nacho - he is aware of my opinion on his meta read ability. I don't hate it, but I hardly find it infallible. I don't understand how that has anything to do with the price of tea in China.
It has everything to do with it. You aren't interacting with what I've actually posted. Moreover you've given a lean town read to fate/not argue with nachos town read based on his push on dgb while ignoring the fact that I've raised concerns about dgb, but actually verbalized my concerns beyond "you can't look me in the eye." Likewise, I've clearly elucidated why someone else you claim to think is scum is scum from my point of view and you're pretending that doesn't exist, and claiming whatever I've done is meh.
Trying to give me an emotional reaction - like I literally ahd just said when I talked about what you had dodged.
Why would you want me to give an emotional reaction? And wh would you be pushing it? You think I'm capable of deception, you've already made that clear. You've never said you needed me yo meltdown to get a read on me (in fact, faraday the person who can best read me ever doesnt need that, so I don't see why you would if you have no clue how to read me anyway, but seriously why are you pushing that? Why are you refusing to interact with what actual relevant game data I've put in the thread? Why would you hope I'd meltdown and cause a distraction?
Why? Because I see no town motivation in your approach whatsoever.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Thor's attack on Tammy is Thorscum trying to push her buttons to make her angry and make her look bad - Thorscum is targeting her because everyone reads her as town and he thinks riling up Tammy is a piece of cake. That's after Thor tried the exact same strategy with me, trying to raise my hackles right out of the gate.
Come on Tammy, we can do this. Thor is scum and he can eat rope.
Why would you want me to give an emotional reaction? And wh would you be pushing it? You think I'm capable of deception, you've already made that clear.
What I specifically said was that nothing you had done thus far seemed beyond your ability to fake - that is hardly the same as saying I think there's every emotional response you can fake.
Thor's attack on Tammy is Thorscum trying to push her buttons to make her angry and make her look bad - Thorscum is targeting her because everyone reads her as town and he thinks riling up Tammy is a piece of cake. That's after Thor tried the exact same strategy with me, trying to raise my hackles right out of the gate.
Yeah, because getting a Tammy emotional reaction usually results in her getting lynched - clearly that's my plan.
So. Is what you're actually saying is I'm dodging giving an emotional response? Though I mean, let's not forget I already gave one that you're just dismissing. But are yo trying to say you need me to give an emotional response to you in order to read me? Please say yes!
Yes - I have been quite open about that, where do you think I indicated anything else? Try to quote it.
Thor's attack on Tammy is Thorscum trying to push her buttons to make her angry and make her look bad - Thorscum is targeting her because everyone reads her as town and he thinks riling up Tammy is a piece of cake. That's after Thor tried the exact same strategy with me, trying to raise my hackles right out of the gate.
Come on Tammy, we can do this. Thor is scum and he can eat rope.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Thor: What do you think about dC's entrapment accusation? Feeling fake to me generally isn't an incredibly big deal when the scumhunting you're doing is decent: I've explained already why I liked his Iso push (and I think the gradual weakening of the read there is pretty natural), the recent analysis on Taredas is also not bad at all. How does your suspicion on him compare to ced/DGB suspicions?
I don't necessarily have a fantastic reason for Hooker being town: I like his posting and how light it is and it generally feels extremely town. I don't think you'll agree with my reasons for Tammy-town when I state them and she's pretty much never getting lynched, so explaining them seems mostly like a waste of time.
Why do you find ced scummy?
I don't think Tammy is dodging you/avoiding giving an emotional reaction: generally her TIA! comments are emotional snarky Tammy. Additionally, I think that it's hard to just produce emotional reactions: for example, I think an emotional!Nacho is more often a town!Nacho, but if you asked me to produce an emotional reaction, I'd probably just blink at you and do nothing because that's not emotion works.
Ced, where are your reads sitting currently? I know that Azrael is top suspect for reasons I don't feel I have a full grasp of, and I'm fairly sure you find Tar town (maybe - or maybe you just liked his questions), but my understanding of your picture of the gamestate ends there.
I need to re-assess some things here. I am still fully convinced that Azrael is scum, especially given the way that he wagon is just sitting there at L-2, while literally nothing else of merit is happening. But at the same time, other than Tammy appearing abundantly obvious as town, my reads on people are hugely influenced by the stance they have taken on Azrael so far..and that is pretty shoddy, given that his alignment is still unknown(though I will be fully dumbfounded if he gets lynched and flips town, given how he has acted thus far).
@Thor: What do you think about dC's entrapment accusation? Feeling fake to me generally isn't an incredibly big deal when the scumhunting you're doing is decent: I've explained already why I liked his Iso push (and I think the gradual weakening of the read there is pretty natural), the recent analysis on Taredas is also not bad at all. How does your suspicion on him compare to ced/DGB suspicions?
Are you calling dC town or scum here?
I think the whole entrapment thing is meh.
Basically for his interaction with the Az wagon, he was all 'rah-rah' and then it was like 'whoa, too fast, I'mma unvote' and then...it's like e forgot he was even pushing it.
I don't think Tammy is dodging you/avoiding giving an emotional reaction
Okay.
But she did flat out ask me not to try to get one from her...which, I'm pretty sure is reasonable to call 'avoiding'. What would you like me to call it? Whatever you want to call it, I do not like it.
I need to re-assess some things here. I am still fully convinced that Azrael is scum, especially given the way that he wagon is just sitting there at L-2, while literally nothing else of merit is happening.
What would you expect to be happening if he was town?
Can someone explain why Azrael sounding theatrical means he's scum? I looked at empire of Astarte and he started in a similar way. In house md, he wasn't as scum but he was a replacement there so it's not as relevant. Also in empire, he fixated pretty quickly on ER as scum, so I'm not sure the argument that he takes his time as town is strong.
I didn't have time to look at anything else, but maybe I will tomorrow.
Something felt off with the nacho/Thor conversation. I don't know if it's buddy buddy talking about reads in thread so they look good or that thorjust sounds fake :/
Also I lost my train of thought. I had something else but I lost it. I'm about to crash so maybe it will come back to me tomorrow.
So I guess my question is just to descoures. I'll look at the games taredas mentioned later to see where he's coming from.
Nacho - I'm almost getting a feel of too many heads from the other side here. Why are you pretty much dismissing everyone with experience with azrael? Where do you think they are going wrong?
Something felt off with the nacho/Thor conversation. I don't know if it's buddy buddy talking about reads in thread so they look good or that thorjust sounds fake :/
'Thor, why are you ignoring Nacho, scummy!'
'Thor, your interaction with Nacho feels off, scummy!'
The reads.
They are brilliant.
Unvote: ...whatever bandwagon I hopped on
Vote: Kami
You do realize that even just last game of this game series you called me scum and voted to lynch me and I was town, right?
Unless a "perfect record" indicates "at any time and for any period in any game I got your alignment right" in which case I have a perfect record reading a whole mess of people. Whoop-de-flippin'-doo.
I thought that it was obvious that I unvoted Az because you put him at L-1. I'm not sure I have anything else to say about Az right now anyway. I'm awaiting his claim (and his response to my own vote, for that matter).
Since he's on L-3, I might as well
Vote Azrael
again.
The question is, though, why did you put Az on L-1? That's tantamount to a declaration of wanting to lynch the guy, claim or not.
And here is more Az floppiness and belated awareness of how his supposed top push that he wants claim from (whose response was 'sod off' when asked for the claim) isn't claiming.
Really not impressed by ced at all and like my scum read there.
To answer your question;
1. I don't treat L-1 the way you do.
2. I was emotionally comfortable with the idea of getting him lynched, if I wasn't then I shouldn't have been voting him at L-2 or L-4 if I was going to seriously state that he should claim. A claim request is a statement that *barring a claim you intend for them to die* I don't see why L-1 is somehow too scary at that stage.
Seems you forgot the /s tag. But what exactly are you suggesting here?
I am suggesting that she is applying Catch-22 "logic" to her read on me, and trying to get her to defend how utterly nonsensical it is so I can draw some opinions of if I think she is town being terrible or scum flailing.
Tammy, how am I dismissing everyone with Azrael experience? The person I am most heavily engaging is dC over his Azrael experience.
Why did you ignore the most important question? Where do you think they are going wrong?
(The entirety of the mtgs crowd is now on Azrael. They are the people with the most experience with Azrael. You have him as town. I'm interested where you think they're going wrong.)
I'd expect Thor to wholly mischaracterize/misunderstand that question especially considering his play this game, but not you. Funny that.
So, Azrael disappearing is a bit disconcerting. In the house game though he put up a decent fight, making a case on someone else while at l-1 but did stop and his hammer came a day or two after he stopped posting. He should claim though as this is a bit annoying. The mtgsers don't seem like they're budging and they're not going to be especially without a claim. This is basically the only lynch we can get today as even if all of ms voted the same person we still couldn't get a different lynch. And that's a fat chance of happening as I definitely don't trust half my crowd.
Man, the best thing I ever did was get rid of that pesky double-posting rule. I am teh besterest. And ya'all need to post more. Get on it. We've got like, six more people to clear and the game is over.
This is the post I thought was a scum tell of sorts. What I didn't like originally was the "get on it" thing as sometimes scum will seep this kind of demanding tone in their posts. But looking back it's not as bad as I thought because it's followed up with needing to clear more people. So hrm.
Although he did say he didn't like that taredas didn't answer his rqs, but I didn't either which he didn't say anything about.
Taredas - when you say he was more methodical in the previous games as town but discarded it in the scum games can you expand? In the town games I read he starts off early pretty certain about scum, and seemed a bit less flamboyant, although rob Roy did a meta read on him of saying when he's scum he mixes jokes in with content while as town they're stand alone. I'm not sure that was a great meta read and what I think he was more looking at was tone, but I'm not sure if I see a huge difference except the seeming more flamboyant as town than as scum. There were a couple things I thought I noticed that were a little inconclusive and I was hoping he'd come back and post some more to get a better feel, but he does seem to get caught quite a bit as scum.
Why nacho is suspicious - he's sitting on the periphery. His attack on descoures is fine I guess but it feels kinda weird. His interaction with Thor felt like stale crackers, and completely sidestepped my question about where everyone is going wrong on Azrael. It also comes right after a total misrep of my statement by Thor, and that feels odd. Descoures definitely isn't the only one with a case on Azrael, so why did he skip over that? My concern right now is that he knows that Azrael is town because he's scum and he's doing the same exact thing he did last game by nominally defending someone but not getting too involved because he doesn't actually care if the lynch goes through.
Why thor is suspicious - he's trying to bait me and is just squandering his time on my emotional state to look busy. It's the same exact thing he did as scum the last game we played together. He also is misrepping things I've said and done. His latest post about a catch-22 is horribad. Nobody who has graduated from reading dr Seuss could actually believe I said what he claims I meant. The emotion thing is even worse, not only has he never *needed* me to have an emotional meltdown to get a read on me! I've also already been clear about how fond I am of people who don't read me based on what I do in a game but instead push and push for an emotional reaction. I've already, in this game and the last when he was scum and dwelled on this very thing, said its a distraction, it makes the game unpleasant, it makes me not want to play this stupid game, I don't have the mental energy to deal with what it does to me in game and out, and it has the wonderful side effect of nobody listening to my reads. Even nacho has completely dismissed my reads the past couple games we've played even though my scum reads were pretty decent.
I still think that ced is suspicious but that's more gut than anything.
What do other mtgsers think about descoures and nachos point against him?
Also iso - earlier you asked if kami was that easy to catch as scum. She's pretty difficult to catch actually. There's only one person that I know of who can reliably read her, and even he says it's near impossible to be sure of her alignment day one.
Why thor is suspicious - he's trying to bait me and is just squandering his time on my emotional state to look busy. It's the same exact thing he did as scum the last game we played together.
I know! That's what I noticed, too! He's scum! He's scum!
@Tammy - you're complaining about me paying attention to your emotional state when literally my first comment about you was that you're readable via...your emotions. Have I ever claimed any sort of awareness of reading you outside of emotions? At what stage, then, does that become questionable of me in regards to you?
You are trying to be very distant and cold about this.
My top scumspects, for the record, are you, Kami, and Az.
Literally could not care what your scum suspects are.
I think you're scum, I think you're fake, point to a time when you declare needing me to be emotional to get a read on me.
But natch at the irony of you declaring me terrible while suggesting I could somehow be scum. I think you're trying to keep busy by going against the grain when everyone else has reached the obvious fact I'm town.
I'm going to continue one *cold* about this. I'm perfectly readable by things I'm doing in the game.
I'm going to feel justified when you flip scum and I can dance on your grave. I'm not going to interact with you any more though because it's unproductive, you're not actually reading anything I'm saying or doing and processing it in any way that has town motivation. You want me to be a distraction, at a time I've literally said I don't have the mental energy to deal with it.
This is the last I will say on the matter. You should vote me though. Build a case and get others to sheep you on some erroneous cold case. I'd be very happy to leave. Oh and hey double score if nachos your partner he gets to partake in that mislynch of me he's been dreaming of.
Have at it, I'll be over here looking for real scum.
I also suspect from nachos tone to me in his last post he's gearing up to turn on me too. You probably hatched it up in your scum qt, too bad it's coming at a time when I couldn't care less.
Secondly, from everyone I know, pushing Tammy is also *exactly* what you do to try and get a solid read on her - that's like Tammy 101.
Shocking.
You're still dodging and trying to wall off discussion with me. Why is that? Is my beard intimidating? I'd shave it off, but there's actually just a lusher and more impressive beard underneath it, so it might not help.
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Yes, because I have been in games where I've callled you town. I'll certainly agree that I've been in far more where I called you scum, but...so what?
When you phrase it like this I feel like you're saying "I'm aware of what you said already, but will include the word 'major' so I can dismiss anything out of hand'
My ISO isn't that big and the case isn not exactly a giant wall of info - it's about two points. Go read it and fake scumhunting some more.
1. Eh...I don't disagree with it. I lean semi town on Fate just because he's bugging on DGB too, and for an MTSer to do that with her usual aura of 'let's not lynch DGB' it feels kind of generically good to me. I have no actual town case on him though, so it's not strong either.
2. I couldn't describe your issues with him without going back and looking, though I suspect it's probably pretty safe to say my issues with him are going to be different - mine are based around his vote movement on Az, I doubt yours are. Whether or not we had the same reads on a player I don't know why that would obligate me to adjust my read on you.
3. I've said it once, I'll say it again, he feels fake. I seem to recall even deleting that from this post when I was trimming down your comment to respond to - which means you quoted me stating reasoning on Az and then asked me about it...bwuh?
I potentially could - but I have no particular desire to go dig through my games to do so.
You'll note that DGB is well aware that I call for her policy lynch, and she also hasn't said that me doing so is a town or scumtell - so I suspect it's pretty safe to presume I've done it as both alignments.
Don't know why it would matter either.
All right.
But that leads to a simple question;
Did I as town *ever* claim that I thought you couldn't fake emotion?
I know I claimed other people thought that.
I know I claimed disbelief of that.
Now, you can ask Nacho, who has hydra-ed as scum with me what my number one basic rule of being scum is.
I bet he'll mention something like this "Thor doesn't lie as scum, and thinks scum who lie as scum are bad scum."
When I talk theory and scumhunting as scum, and what I believe about people?
I don't lie.
No matter my alignment.
It helps me keep my stories straight when I'm scum because I can answer honestly. And then people are all like "gosh, he sounds soooo honest, and is responding quickly, and it all seems to flow logically - he must be town!"
And then they call me a good scumhunter.
All while they fake their play, because they don't understand how scummy they are when town. I know *exactly* how much better I want my town game to be, which means I know what huge and scummy flaws I have to allow me to mislynch anyone, anytime, anywhere without the need to be as pathetic as to lie or fake to acheive it.
If Nacho says anything about this commentary is a lie I will happily accept my lynch today as long as everyone voting me promises to lynch him tomorrow.
Now, Tammmy...I note you then complain and duk when you think I'm trying to "bait you" to get a reaction.
Something that...y'know, if you thought I understood your emotive actions would be...rather in line with trying to scumhunt you.
Except you try to dodge doing it...why?
@Nacho - Why do you think she dodged and acted offended that I wanted to bait her for emotional reactions? Especially considering that she's calling me scummy for believing she can fake them to some degree?
Headshots all over the place.
Come now Thor.
You feel the same this game.
You're not engaging with my motivations OR anything I've actually done or said. That's scummy. I mean sure, call me a dodger, baby doll, push for my lynch. I said in my first post, I'm cool with all that jazz, it frees me from a place I don't want to be anyway so it's all cool. It's free for you to do, so go hog wild, just stop with the pretending k?
And just so you know, in the games I've followed, you've more often called for a dgb policy lynch when you've been scum.
I'm keeping an eye out for the third.
It's not Tammy or Nacho.
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Azrael (5): Cyan, Taredas, Iso, desCoures, Thor665
ced395 (2): Tammy, Kami of Lunacy
Iso (2): Azrael, HookerPunch
Kami of Lunacy (1): Zen_Soul
desCoures (1): Nachomamma8
Abstain (1): ced395
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Ah, yes, because having thoughts that are not well remembered off the top of my head proves how unlikely it is that I consider your contributions to be 'meh'.
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...wait, isn't that actually *exactly* what that would mean? I mean, seriously...do you think I'm calling you scum here and hate what you've posted? or do you think I find it 'meh' and you not town (which is what I've said). What are you talking about here?
I did disagree with Nacho - he is aware of my opinion on his meta read ability. I don't hate it, but I hardly find it infallible. I don't understand how that has anything to do with the price of tea in China.
Trying to give me an emotional reaction - like I literally ahd just said when I talked about what you had dodged.
"Thor, what are you saying I'm dodging when you say I'm dodging trying to give an emotional response? Oh Thor, THOR! You so scum, you need to explain this to me because I have a case of the vapors and just cannot imagine of what you speak of!"
- Tammy, 2014
So. Is what you're actually saying is I'm dodging giving an emotional response? Though I mean, let's not forget I already gave one that you're just dismissing. But are yo trying to say you need me to give an emotional response to you in order to read me? Please say yes!
But, if no, I don't see your point? You think I can fake emotional responses, so what from your point of view do I gain from starting the game needing a break? Like this should not be smurfing hard for you to assess.
But hey, here are a few things that I think are just as conducive to the gamestate as discussing my smurfetted up emotional state that I'd prefer to talk about right now:
My adorable cat
The compost bin I built for my veggie balcony today
The flowers I arranged for my zen reading balcony
The fact that I got to sit outside in the sun and drink tequila shots and NOT look at a pile of snow n the ground
SUMMER IS COMING
I'm considering buying the ps4, what do you think?
I've finally decided on the color scheme for my craft/guest room.
OR
we could talk about my thoughts on the game.
It has everything to do with it. You aren't interacting with what I've actually posted. Moreover you've given a lean town read to fate/not argue with nachos town read based on his push on dgb while ignoring the fact that I've raised concerns about dgb, but actually verbalized my concerns beyond "you can't look me in the eye." Likewise, I've clearly elucidated why someone else you claim to think is scum is scum from my point of view and you're pretending that doesn't exist, and claiming whatever I've done is meh.
This makes no sense whatsoever.
Why would you want me to give an emotional reaction? And wh would you be pushing it? You think I'm capable of deception, you've already made that clear. You've never said you needed me yo meltdown to get a read on me (in fact, faraday the person who can best read me ever doesnt need that, so I don't see why you would if you have no clue how to read me anyway, but seriously why are you pushing that? Why are you refusing to interact with what actual relevant game data I've put in the thread? Why would you hope I'd meltdown and cause a distraction?
Why? Because I see no town motivation in your approach whatsoever.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Come on Tammy, we can do this. Thor is scum and he can eat rope.
vote: Thor
What I specifically said was that nothing you had done thus far seemed beyond your ability to fake - that is hardly the same as saying I think there's every emotional response you can fake.
Yeah, because getting a Tammy emotional reaction usually results in her getting lynched - clearly that's my plan.
Yes - I have been quite open about that, where do you think I indicated anything else? Try to quote it.
Am I preventing you from doing that?
opportunistic scum vote
is scum Kami always this obvious, MSers?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I don't necessarily have a fantastic reason for Hooker being town: I like his posting and how light it is and it generally feels extremely town. I don't think you'll agree with my reasons for Tammy-town when I state them and she's pretty much never getting lynched, so explaining them seems mostly like a waste of time.
Why do you find ced scummy?
I don't think Tammy is dodging you/avoiding giving an emotional reaction: generally her TIA! comments are emotional snarky Tammy. Additionally, I think that it's hard to just produce emotional reactions: for example, I think an emotional!Nacho is more often a town!Nacho, but if you asked me to produce an emotional reaction, I'd probably just blink at you and do nothing because that's not emotion works.
Ced, where are your reads sitting currently? I know that Azrael is top suspect for reasons I don't feel I have a full grasp of, and I'm fairly sure you find Tar town (maybe - or maybe you just liked his questions), but my understanding of your picture of the gamestate ends there.
DGB is officially in my scum list.
I'm gonna lurk for a while.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Are you calling dC town or scum here?
I think the whole entrapment thing is meh.
I don't like it for how light it is as he dances around the periphery while saying nothing of worth.
Basically for his interaction with the Az wagon, he was all 'rah-rah' and then it was like 'whoa, too fast, I'mma unvote' and then...it's like e forgot he was even pushing it.
Okay.
But she did flat out ask me not to try to get one from her...which, I'm pretty sure is reasonable to call 'avoiding'. What would you like me to call it? Whatever you want to call it, I do not like it.
What would you expect to be happening if he was town?
Thank heaven, don't want to participate too much or offer opinions.
(7 to lynch)
Azrael (5): Cyan, Taredas, Iso, desCoures, Thor665
Kami of Lunacy (1): Zen_Soul
desCoures (1): Nachomamma8
Thor665 (1): Kami of Lunacy
ced395 (1): Tammy
Iso (1): Azrael
Abstain (2): ced395, HookerPunch
The deadline is May 9, 11 days from now.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
And he's scum, too! So many excellent reasons to lynch him.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Vote: DGB
Either way, we're all gonna burn
I'm town and I'm not getting lynched today.
Thor isn't "just Thor" - he's Thorscum. I always read Thor correctly. I am the gold standard for reading Thor.
I didn't have time to look at anything else, but maybe I will tomorrow.
Something felt off with the nacho/Thor conversation. I don't know if it's buddy buddy talking about reads in thread so they look good or that thorjust sounds fake :/
Also I lost my train of thought. I had something else but I lost it. I'm about to crash so maybe it will come back to me tomorrow.
Nacho - I'm almost getting a feel of too many heads from the other side here. Why are you pretty much dismissing everyone with experience with azrael? Where do you think they are going wrong?
There is less than no support to this claim, and it is scummy to make it.
'Thor, why are you ignoring Nacho, scummy!'
'Thor, your interaction with Nacho feels off, scummy!'
The reads.
They are brilliant.
Unvote: ...whatever bandwagon I hopped on
Vote: Kami
(7 to lynch)
Azrael (4): Cyan, Taredas, Iso, desCoures
Kami of Lunacy (3): Zen_Soul, HookerPunch, Thor665
desCoures (1): Nachomamma8
Thor665 (1): Kami of Lunacy
ced395 (1): Tammy
Iso (1): Azrael
Abstain (1): ced395
The deadline is May 9, 10 days from now.
I have a perfect record of reading you.
Thor is scum
Thor is scum
Thor is scum
Thor is scum
Thor is scum
He really is.
You do realize that even just last game of this game series you called me scum and voted to lynch me and I was town, right?
Unless a "perfect record" indicates "at any time and for any period in any game I got your alignment right" in which case I have a perfect record reading a whole mess of people. Whoop-de-flippin'-doo.
And here is more Az floppiness and belated awareness of how his supposed top push that he wants claim from (whose response was 'sod off' when asked for the claim) isn't claiming.
Really not impressed by ced at all and like my scum read there.
To answer your question;
1. I don't treat L-1 the way you do.
2. I was emotionally comfortable with the idea of getting him lynched, if I wasn't then I shouldn't have been voting him at L-2 or L-4 if I was going to seriously state that he should claim. A claim request is a statement that *barring a claim you intend for them to die* I don't see why L-1 is somehow too scary at that stage.
I am suggesting that she is applying Catch-22 "logic" to her read on me, and trying to get her to defend how utterly nonsensical it is so I can draw some opinions of if I think she is town being terrible or scum flailing.
I thought that was kinda obvious, really.
Why did you ignore the most important question? Where do you think they are going wrong?
(The entirety of the mtgs crowd is now on Azrael. They are the people with the most experience with Azrael. You have him as town. I'm interested where you think they're going wrong.)
I'd expect Thor to wholly mischaracterize/misunderstand that question especially considering his play this game, but not you. Funny that.
By the way
Welp.
vote nachomamma
Actually
This is the post I thought was a scum tell of sorts. What I didn't like originally was the "get on it" thing as sometimes scum will seep this kind of demanding tone in their posts. But looking back it's not as bad as I thought because it's followed up with needing to clear more people. So hrm.
Although he did say he didn't like that taredas didn't answer his rqs, but I didn't either which he didn't say anything about.
Taredas - when you say he was more methodical in the previous games as town but discarded it in the scum games can you expand? In the town games I read he starts off early pretty certain about scum, and seemed a bit less flamboyant, although rob Roy did a meta read on him of saying when he's scum he mixes jokes in with content while as town they're stand alone. I'm not sure that was a great meta read and what I think he was more looking at was tone, but I'm not sure if I see a huge difference except the seeming more flamboyant as town than as scum. There were a couple things I thought I noticed that were a little inconclusive and I was hoping he'd come back and post some more to get a better feel, but he does seem to get caught quite a bit as scum.
Why thor is suspicious - he's trying to bait me and is just squandering his time on my emotional state to look busy. It's the same exact thing he did as scum the last game we played together. He also is misrepping things I've said and done. His latest post about a catch-22 is horribad. Nobody who has graduated from reading dr Seuss could actually believe I said what he claims I meant. The emotion thing is even worse, not only has he never *needed* me to have an emotional meltdown to get a read on me! I've also already been clear about how fond I am of people who don't read me based on what I do in a game but instead push and push for an emotional reaction. I've already, in this game and the last when he was scum and dwelled on this very thing, said its a distraction, it makes the game unpleasant, it makes me not want to play this stupid game, I don't have the mental energy to deal with what it does to me in game and out, and it has the wonderful side effect of nobody listening to my reads. Even nacho has completely dismissed my reads the past couple games we've played even though my scum reads were pretty decent.
I still think that ced is suspicious but that's more gut than anything.
What do other mtgsers think about descoures and nachos point against him?
Also iso - earlier you asked if kami was that easy to catch as scum. She's pretty difficult to catch actually. There's only one person that I know of who can reliably read her, and even he says it's near impossible to be sure of her alignment day one.
I know! That's what I noticed, too! He's scum! He's scum!
Azrael/Thor seems a good bet for now.
You are trying to be very distant and cold about this.
My top scumspects, for the record, are you, Kami, and Az.
I think you're scum, I think you're fake, point to a time when you declare needing me to be emotional to get a read on me.
But natch at the irony of you declaring me terrible while suggesting I could somehow be scum. I think you're trying to keep busy by going against the grain when everyone else has reached the obvious fact I'm town.
I'm going to continue one *cold* about this. I'm perfectly readable by things I'm doing in the game.
I'm going to feel justified when you flip scum and I can dance on your grave. I'm not going to interact with you any more though because it's unproductive, you're not actually reading anything I'm saying or doing and processing it in any way that has town motivation. You want me to be a distraction, at a time I've literally said I don't have the mental energy to deal with it.
This is the last I will say on the matter. You should vote me though. Build a case and get others to sheep you on some erroneous cold case. I'd be very happy to leave. Oh and hey double score if nachos your partner he gets to partake in that mislynch of me he's been dreaming of.
Have at it, I'll be over here looking for real scum.
Gosh, that's tough...it was like, my fourth post in the game or something.
Shocking.
You're still dodging and trying to wall off discussion with me. Why is that? Is my beard intimidating? I'd shave it off, but there's actually just a lusher and more impressive beard underneath it, so it might not help.