I feel like I posted a lot more words than that. Maybe it was just in my head.
You have posted more words, but when it's come to the question of how deep your questions are, your words have largely amounted to just saying that I am incorrect, without really providing an explanation.
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I have provided many explanations. Looks like you are the one who is handwaving! Continuing to insist that everything I've posted is meaningless will only serve to make me angry. My questions to B_E were all useful in my opinion, because I was trying to understand what he was thinking and why he was acting the way he was. What more do you want me to say?
As of now, I believe B_E is town. He was incredibly aggressive and confrontational, in a way that I would expect town to be. To me, his reactions to things seem genuine. I see it as a legit attempt to start discussion, while at the same time also seeing enough of a thought process to feel like it wasn't entirely forced. If you were asking me for my opinion on him as a player, or the merit of his strategy... I don't think his strategy is a good one, really. Like plum, I am also not fond of overconfidence. I see no reason to jump on people so quickly with no real reason. By doing so, he's already made me take his future votes less seriously. I don't think the reasons he had for voting either of those players were good, either, as I don't think either of them posted anything scummy.
As of now, I believe B_E is town. He was incredibly aggressive and confrontational, in a way that I would expect town to be. To me, his reactions to things seem genuine. I see it as a legit attempt to start discussion, while at the same time also seeing enough of a thought process to feel like it wasn't entirely forced. If you were asking me for my opinion on him as a player, or the merit of his strategy... I don't think his strategy is a good one, really. Like plum, I am also not fond of overconfidence. I see no reason to jump on people so quickly with no real reason. By doing so, he's already made me take his future votes less seriously. I don't think the reasons he had for voting either of those players were good, either, as I don't think either of them posted anything scummy.
See, now this is an opinion, and it's a strong one. The lack of this kind of post has been one of the reasons I've been suspicious of you. I think we may be getting somewhere finally.
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I am also waiting for the other players, I would assume that part of the reason is they don't know the game started yet. The sign up period lasted a while so it might take them a bit to realize it started as they probably don't frequent this site. Sending mod pokes through Gamefaqs would probably be most effective in letting them know the game is going on. I considered doing it myself, but thought that might get into the hazy grey area of outside communication so I decided against it.
If you PM me the relevant contact info I may do this. We're only 18 hours into the game though, so I'll give it a bit more.
In conclusion, these are the 3 main reasons why I believe Wildfire is scum:
1) His initial vote on me. We were well past the random vote stage, and a lot of things had happened, but he came in and made a "light-hearted" vote, ignoring all of them. To me, this reads like he came in to the topic with the pre-conceived idea of placing a random vote, and didn't change his course of action even after reading everything. Townies adapt when the situation changes. Scum don't. In addition to this, he backtracks about the reason of the vote, and tries to make it seem like there was more of a reason for it than he originally stated.
2) He lists reasons why players can seem scummy, but fails to relate them to my own play. The biggest example of this is how he posts his theory on how you can catch scum based on their reaction to RVS. This is a valid point, sure. But he doesn't explain how my reaction to RVS specifically makes me scum. He just states the fact that I refused to RVS, but doesn't explain how the manner in which I did so is scummy. To me, this is indicative of him deciding to think I'm scum, and then trying to come up with reasons to make it fit.
3) He shows a lack of trying to understand me as a player. You can't judge people's allignment in a vacuum. There is no one-size-fits-all way to catch scum. Like Plum said, how can he know that his definitions of scum and town apply to me? One player can refuse to RVS, and it is scummy. Meanwhile another player can refuse to RVS and it makes total sense. I have asked him to explain why it isn't possible that I am simply a townie who doesn't like to RVS. Or why its not possible that I am a townie whose playstyle involves taking things slow, asking questions, and considering things. He can't seem to answer these things. He's decided that these actions, no matter who they are coming from, are scummy. It is very narrow-minded in my opinion, and I don't believe he is truly trying to determine my allignment.
So there you have it! I think that's enough of that, though. There are plently of players who haven't even shown up yet, and I'm sure they will have plenty to say when they do, so I think we should give them some time to establish their own things, rather than continuing to debate this.
Speaking of which...Hello, Hunger! Nice to meet you. =)
Menu, I think it has been clearly established that we are past the point of these random votes. I would appreciate it if your next post contained some real insight into the game. After all, if you come in late, isn't it better to come in with something to say, rather than a joke vote?
In conclusion, these are the 3 main reasons why I believe Wildfire is scum:
1) His initial vote on me. We were well past the random vote stage, and a lot of things had happened, but he came in and made a "light-hearted" vote, ignoring all of them. To me, this reads like he came in to the topic with the pre-conceived idea of placing a random vote, and didn't change his course of action even after reading everything. Townies adapt when the situation changes. Scum don't. In addition to this, he backtracks about the reason of the vote, and tries to make it seem like there was more of a reason for it than he originally stated.
This seems like a skewed representation of my vote. My vote, while light-hearted, did not ignore the things that had transpired. I felt you were skirting by after failing to make an RVS vote, and wanted to engage with you.
2) He lists reasons why players can seem scummy, but fails to relate them to my own play. The biggest example of this is how he posts his theory on how you can catch scum based on their reaction to RVS. This is a valid point, sure. But he doesn't explain how my reaction to RVS specifically makes me scum. He just states the fact that I refused to RVS, but doesn't explain how the manner in which I did so is scummy. To me, this is indicative of him deciding to think I'm scum, and then trying to come up with reasons to make it fit.
I attempted to explain this at a couple of points. Obviously, you disagreed with my reasoning. That doesn't change the fact that I believe it. I think that the refusal to place an RVS vote (coupled with a continued refusal to vote, and lack, until recently, of giving any definite opinions) is indicative of a noncommittal attitude. The initial statement in place of an RVS vote was an attempt to simmer down BE's RVS-chasing as being too drastic, which appears to me as more of an attempt to derail conversation than to foster it.
The explanation given for this was that Dels is a player who prefers to question extensively before voting. An analysis of his questions in the early game found mostly simple clarifying inquiries, which does not have sufficient depth to really demonstrate this type of attitude.
3) He shows a lack of trying to understand me as a player. You can't judge people's allignment in a vacuum. There is no one-size-fits-all way to catch scum. Like Plum said, how can he know that his definitions of scum and town apply to me? One player can refuse to RVS, and it is scummy. Meanwhile another player can refuse to RVS and it makes total sense. I have asked him to explain why it isn't possible that I am simply a townie who doesn't like to RVS. Or why its not possible that I am a townie whose playstyle involves taking things slow, asking questions, and considering things. He can't seem to answer these things. He's decided that these actions, no matter who they are coming from, are scummy. It is very narrow-minded in my opinion, and I don't believe he is truly trying to determine my allignment.
I have considered, and am still considering, what type of player you are. It's very possible that I am incorrect. Like I said to Plum, I don't have a 100% certainty that I have caught scum here. I'm simply following the leads that my gut gives me.
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Menu you've given no thoughts on 120, give or take, posts of mostly content. While you may think this is acceptable I think you should at the least weigh in a little bit instead of handing out silly threats to people who are, all in all, objectively correct that you should be doing more. And I do not often say objective in mafia.
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Though it may appear to be, right now I think a random vote is still the best course of action until more content is available for me to decipher and judge accordingly.
Not everyone has posted yet. I see no reason to unvote. Who are you to decide when a certain way of voting is redundant?
I could vote you instead for echoing what wildfire said if you'd prefer?
I think enough has been said that you can at least give your opinions on the players in the game thus far (specifically Burning Earth, Sir Chris, Dels, and myself, who have the brunt of the posts thus far), which would be more useful than an RVS. Sure, it's not redundant and there's no particular reason to unvote, but it's not something to post in lieu of content.
Also, threatening with a vote over questioning you on RVSing 5 pages in seems questionable at best.
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Menu I will say this about your first comment: I don't know people here. I don't know how they play mafia. I don't like being presumptive, but actually...I am not toying with anyone, this is about as neutral as I get. I have discovered in the past that brashness in new communities isn't well met, and for good reason. What you've seen me do before is me at height of comfort. I am actually fairly moderate outside of board 8.
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Okay well if you want full assessments. Chris is toying with people but lingering. Something I don't associate with his town play. He's usually more aggressive.
Interesting
Dels... is well... Dels is unfortunately Dels, he loves rolling scum, and he's the type of player that will echo an intelligent sentiment without backing it as scum. I didn't like that he responded to my post whilst ignoring my question asking if he was scum.
Honestly, the fact that he ignored it gives him more points than most responses would have. It's such a brazen question that's obviously fishing for responses.
Master Plum seems town based on his initial reaction to Burning Earth's vote.
Seems fine
As for yourself wildfire. You seem to be posting a lot and it's got a consistently strong twang of content to it, I withhold my right to reserve judgement on you for now.
Also seems fine.
I'll do a more thorough read through later and look forward to contributing more as the game progresses.
Final note Chris responded with a chastising remark whilst trying to aid me. Towniest thing I've seen him do so far.
Unvote Chris
If you actually thought he was scum and had reasons for that vote, why didn't you just state them? And why unvote now?
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I agree with wildfire here actually, I think your unvote was pretty weird. The fact that it was a RNG vote has nothing to do with your timing of the unvote.
I refreshed and Chris had posted while I was typing. I like to have my thought processes there for people to see so I saw no reason to remove my initial read of Chris.
Also my vote was based entirely off RNG. I read some of the game before posting but still saw nothing to really remove it. I saw no reason to mention them as they're not strong reads. Worth noting perhaps, but not strong. He just hadn't done anything I'd associate with Town Chris until I was mid way through typing.
I suppose that makes sense enough. This has not been a strong opening salvo though.
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I accept your answer, I'm just pointing out that your entire entrance to this game has been poor.
You come in with RVS way after RVS is done.
You threaten to vote someone (just one specific someone out of three people) who calls you out on this, and say you may as well leave it.
You post reads when pressured to, which is a plus, but your reads go from suspicious of to townreading your RVS target over the course of the post, based off of one of his posts, which ends in unvoting him.
Your explanation of the last makes a sort of sense. But it's hardly allayed the overall concern your posts thus far have raised.
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Plum while I see a point about Wildfire, obviously, I don't like that reasoning as having much basis. If we judge people on number of games played then we don't really know much. Feels like you're buddying up to Dels for no reason. I stopped my pursuit mostly to give Wildfire a chance to one on one a bit without feeling teamed up upon, your interjection says nothing other than "Man you're newer in this game, how dare you have confidence."
Like if you think he is scum say so, but attacking his newness is below the belt and serves no purpose.
Hi Hunger just a quick question what are your thoughts on me? I only ask because you mentioned every other person who has posted a fair amount except for myself, did nothing I say jump out or did you simply feel it would retread old ground?
I didn't really get an impression one way or the other on you from my first read through. In fact, what I got was that you were staying pretty neutral, which is now what you have pretty much said your goal has been due to the new environment. If the pattern continued over the course of a couple Days, it would likely make me lean scum that is flying under the radar, but this early in the game it's null.
In conclusion, these are the 3 main reasons why I believe Wildfire is scum:
1) His initial vote on me. We were well past the random vote stage, and a lot of things had happened, but he came in and made a "light-hearted" vote, ignoring all of them. To me, this reads like he came in to the topic with the pre-conceived idea of placing a random vote, and didn't change his course of action even after reading everything. Townies adapt when the situation changes. Scum don't. In addition to this, he backtracks about the reason of the vote, and tries to make it seem like there was more of a reason for it than he originally stated.
2) He lists reasons why players can seem scummy, but fails to relate them to my own play. The biggest example of this is how he posts his theory on how you can catch scum based on their reaction to RVS. This is a valid point, sure. But he doesn't explain how my reaction to RVS specifically makes me scum. He just states the fact that I refused to RVS, but doesn't explain how the manner in which I did so is scummy. To me, this is indicative of him deciding to think I'm scum, and then trying to come up with reasons to make it fit.
3) He shows a lack of trying to understand me as a player. You can't judge people's allignment in a vacuum. There is no one-size-fits-all way to catch scum. Like Plum said, how can he know that his definitions of scum and town apply to me? One player can refuse to RVS, and it is scummy. Meanwhile another player can refuse to RVS and it makes total sense. I have asked him to explain why it isn't possible that I am simply a townie who doesn't like to RVS. Or why its not possible that I am a townie whose playstyle involves taking things slow, asking questions, and considering things. He can't seem to answer these things. He's decided that these actions, no matter who they are coming from, are scummy. It is very narrow-minded in my opinion, and I don't believe he is truly trying to determine my allignment.
So there you have it! I think that's enough of that, though. There are plently of players who haven't even shown up yet, and I'm sure they will have plenty to say when they do, so I think we should give them some time to establish their own things, rather than continuing to debate this.
Speaking of which...Hello, Hunger! Nice to meet you. =)
Oh, hey!
You bring up some interesting points here. It's different from the way I was reading him. I'll have to go back and reread the interactions between you two and see how this holds up, but probably won't have time today.
This is NOT the town B_E that I've played with before. From his first few posts, I've got a strong sense that he's not used to playing scum, and thinks that he can seem town by looking like he's on the hunt for scum early on. It's very forced.
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Hi. Could you please go into more detail here? Specifically how his hunt for scum here feels different than his posting style in... uPick mafia, which you were town with him in which he voted a lot early on and had the same tone to the best of MY quick observation. Doesn't seem much different, curious what you see here that I don't. Thanks.
Yes, he did vote a lot, but his tone is radically different between games. In uPick, B_E let the game develop naturally while placing his vote wherever he felt it needed placing. In this game, he cranks it up to 11 on the first page, hammering on masterplum and Dels like nobody's business. It literally feels like someone else has taken over B_E's account.
Yeah, the game in which I did an insane cop gambit page two? That game?
In response I offer you Maestro's Superwholock Mafia (i replaced in on page four)
I like this Dels guy for town so far. He is active and is asking good questions and shows pretty good logic. If I'm off and he is scum, as long as he keeps contributing like he is, it should be no problem to find inconsistencies and slip ups as the game goes on. He reads how I would expect town to play though.
While Wildfire has the opposite read regarding Dels and calls him scummy for being non-committal, I don't see Wildfire as pushing an agenda, he reads more like misguided town to me.
I don't really have a meta on BE having only played one game with him (which had NO DEADLINES, Days lasted months, and weeks would go by with only a couple posts...that's another story though), but there does seem to be an MTGS meta of someone pushing hard out the gates and calling out multiple scum like he has. It hasn't been indicative of alignment in my experience. Scum have done it to try and see if something catches on early, and town have done it to try and pressure people into slipping up. I would maybe lean towards the latter in this case as his pushes are on people new to the site, but overall it's mostly a neutral read on BE.
I will say that I agree with BE's point about plum self-meta'ing, it looks a bit self-conscious, but certainly not obvscum.
You are trying to fit dels, a veteran of almost a decade, into your preconceived notion of what scum would do based on 4 pages and 4 games of experience.
Dels could be scum but you have no idea if that is true at this point.
"This player makes a good point, so I'm going to dismiss it because of comparative experience levels"
It aint gonna wash with buddy, and I've only completed five games.
Hunger seems to be a-ok with almost everyone who's posted so far. Seems a bit too laissez-faire. I usually associate a certain level of paranoia with town. Everyone is trying to trick you, so you can't afford to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Scum, however, knows who is town and who isn't. They have all the information, they can afford to be chummy and personable with everyone so they don't get lynched.
People who name full scum teams based off a single thread that is... less than logically sound tend to be town. So I think BE is town, just perhaps needs to work on his ability to read the situation. At least in regards to me, if nothing else.
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People who name full scum teams based off a single thread that is... less than logically sound tend to be town. So I think BE is town, just perhaps needs to work on his ability to read the situation. At least in regards to me, if nothing else.
No, you're just ranting now. Look at me, I have scum, blah blah blah I am so good. Seen it a billion times, you're just town with a loud mouth who hasn't been taught any better.
Which is fine, it makes you very easy to read. I am grateful. By the way my language isn't weak, and you can go ahead and use things to prove otherwise.
Like look at you. You see my post and then you just post nothing. Your post is nothing. You respond to my post with "weak, scummy language." What is weak about it? What is scummy about it? You probably can't say, or if you do try it won't make a lot of sense. By all means.
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No, you're just ranting now. Look at me, I have scum, blah blah blah I am so good. Seen it a billion times, you're just town with a loud mouth who hasn't been taught any better.
Which is fine, it makes you very easy to read. I am grateful. By the way my language isn't weak, and you can go ahead and use things to prove otherwise.
Like look at you. You see my post and then you just post nothing. Your post is nothing. You respond to my post with "weak, scummy language." What is weak about it? What is scummy about it? You probably can't say, or if you do try it won't make a lot of sense. By all means.
You use weak and inoffensive words like "perhaps needs to work on" then as soon as I call you out on it your language becomes a lot stronger.
Well, I try my best not to be rude. I read your rules and it said somewhere in there to keep flaming away from the game. I didn't really change my language much, I just lost my patience a little bit. I am sorry that through 5 games in your mafia career you've been taught a generally cool demeanor and calm approach is "omg scum." It must suck.
Plus you called me weak. I got aggressive because you annoyed me, not because of some call out.
Seriously, it seems you think tells mean being offensive. Like I make my point, I just try not to be rude about it.
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Well, I try my best not to be rude. I read your rules and it said somewhere in there to keep flaming away from the game. I didn't really change my language much, I just lost my patience a little bit. I am sorry that through 5 games in your mafia career you've been taught a generally cool demeanor and calm approach is "omg scum." It must suck.
Plus you called me weak. I got aggressive because you annoyed me, not because of some call out.
Seriously, it seems you think tells mean being offensive. Like I make my point, I just try not to be rude about it.
There's a difference between 'politeness' and 'scummyness'
The first is the opposite of what I'm doing, the second is what you're doing. You didn't say "I think your reads are wrong (the first)" You said "maybe you need to improve your reads (the second)"
That's fair, I'll be more direct. In my attempt to be polite I went a little too far. Overcorrect due to being new here, didn't want to give people a bad impression of me as a person and as someone who is overly aggressive and rude. I get that sometimes.
What I was trying to convey is that it is absurd that, out of about 2/3rds of the game posting, you nailed an entire scum team before day one is over using a single connecting threat. I don't know if you were being serious or were just stirring the pot. I don't know you, can't say, but it struck me as very arrogant, "look at me" town thing to do. So I said so. Instead of 'maybe you need', what I should have said is "read the game better, I am pretty sure you are town and if you keep posting bad logic all day I am going to need a stronger drink."
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I find it a little odd B_E is so adamant about his reads this early into day1, showing no signs of paranoia or afterthought... like a bull in a China shop. At first I thought it was town firing themselves up a bit, but the longer it continues the more I'm feeling it's scum trying to emulate town fire.
I find it a little odd B_E is so adamant about his reads this early into day1, showing no signs of paranoia or afterthought... like a bull in a China shop. At first I thought it was town firing themselves up a bit, but the longer it continues the more I'm feeling it's scum trying to emulate town fire.
No I believe forced insistence on early reads to be a scumtell. It's not his reads that bother me. But the rigid unshifting mindset in which they've been displayed.
I feel like this may be a faulty association due to a meta issue.
What is the scum motivation behind sticking to your reads? Wouldn't it be more in scum's interest to have flimsy reads that they could back out of later?
I find it a little odd B_E is so adamant about his reads this early into day1, showing no signs of paranoia or afterthought... like a bull in a China shop. At first I thought it was town firing themselves up a bit, but the longer it continues the more I'm feeling it's scum trying to emulate town fire.
Depends on how they want to be perceived. Every player is different. Tunneling is fine... but tell me... do you see him questioning or stating?
He's driving hard and applying adequate pressure.
I think you're reading too much into semantics and not enough into intention. Psychobabble tells are good for support, but not as a major point(or only point?) of a case.
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You have posted more words, but when it's come to the question of how deep your questions are, your words have largely amounted to just saying that I am incorrect, without really providing an explanation.
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As of now, I believe B_E is town. He was incredibly aggressive and confrontational, in a way that I would expect town to be. To me, his reactions to things seem genuine. I see it as a legit attempt to start discussion, while at the same time also seeing enough of a thought process to feel like it wasn't entirely forced. If you were asking me for my opinion on him as a player, or the merit of his strategy... I don't think his strategy is a good one, really. Like plum, I am also not fond of overconfidence. I see no reason to jump on people so quickly with no real reason. By doing so, he's already made me take his future votes less seriously. I don't think the reasons he had for voting either of those players were good, either, as I don't think either of them posted anything scummy.
See, now this is an opinion, and it's a strong one. The lack of this kind of post has been one of the reasons I've been suspicious of you. I think we may be getting somewhere finally.
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We're a few posts past RVS at this point, so you want to give some justification for that vote?
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If you PM me the relevant contact info I may do this. We're only 18 hours into the game though, so I'll give it a bit more.
Does this mean you have reasons that you will give (pending), or that "I RNG'd it" (I assume you mean RVS'd) is your reason?
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1) His initial vote on me. We were well past the random vote stage, and a lot of things had happened, but he came in and made a "light-hearted" vote, ignoring all of them. To me, this reads like he came in to the topic with the pre-conceived idea of placing a random vote, and didn't change his course of action even after reading everything. Townies adapt when the situation changes. Scum don't. In addition to this, he backtracks about the reason of the vote, and tries to make it seem like there was more of a reason for it than he originally stated.
2) He lists reasons why players can seem scummy, but fails to relate them to my own play. The biggest example of this is how he posts his theory on how you can catch scum based on their reaction to RVS. This is a valid point, sure. But he doesn't explain how my reaction to RVS specifically makes me scum. He just states the fact that I refused to RVS, but doesn't explain how the manner in which I did so is scummy. To me, this is indicative of him deciding to think I'm scum, and then trying to come up with reasons to make it fit.
3) He shows a lack of trying to understand me as a player. You can't judge people's allignment in a vacuum. There is no one-size-fits-all way to catch scum. Like Plum said, how can he know that his definitions of scum and town apply to me? One player can refuse to RVS, and it is scummy. Meanwhile another player can refuse to RVS and it makes total sense. I have asked him to explain why it isn't possible that I am simply a townie who doesn't like to RVS. Or why its not possible that I am a townie whose playstyle involves taking things slow, asking questions, and considering things. He can't seem to answer these things. He's decided that these actions, no matter who they are coming from, are scummy. It is very narrow-minded in my opinion, and I don't believe he is truly trying to determine my allignment.
So there you have it! I think that's enough of that, though. There are plently of players who haven't even shown up yet, and I'm sure they will have plenty to say when they do, so I think we should give them some time to establish their own things, rather than continuing to debate this.
Speaking of which...Hello, Hunger! Nice to meet you. =)
This seems like a skewed representation of my vote. My vote, while light-hearted, did not ignore the things that had transpired. I felt you were skirting by after failing to make an RVS vote, and wanted to engage with you.
I attempted to explain this at a couple of points. Obviously, you disagreed with my reasoning. That doesn't change the fact that I believe it. I think that the refusal to place an RVS vote (coupled with a continued refusal to vote, and lack, until recently, of giving any definite opinions) is indicative of a noncommittal attitude. The initial statement in place of an RVS vote was an attempt to simmer down BE's RVS-chasing as being too drastic, which appears to me as more of an attempt to derail conversation than to foster it.
The explanation given for this was that Dels is a player who prefers to question extensively before voting. An analysis of his questions in the early game found mostly simple clarifying inquiries, which does not have sufficient depth to really demonstrate this type of attitude.
I have considered, and am still considering, what type of player you are. It's very possible that I am incorrect. Like I said to Plum, I don't have a 100% certainty that I have caught scum here. I'm simply following the leads that my gut gives me.
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I think enough has been said that you can at least give your opinions on the players in the game thus far (specifically Burning Earth, Sir Chris, Dels, and myself, who have the brunt of the posts thus far), which would be more useful than an RVS. Sure, it's not redundant and there's no particular reason to unvote, but it's not something to post in lieu of content.
Also, threatening with a vote over questioning you on RVSing 5 pages in seems questionable at best.
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Interesting
Honestly, the fact that he ignored it gives him more points than most responses would have. It's such a brazen question that's obviously fishing for responses.
Seems fine
Also seems fine.
If you actually thought he was scum and had reasons for that vote, why didn't you just state them? And why unvote now?
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I suppose that makes sense enough. This has not been a strong opening salvo though.
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You come in with RVS way after RVS is done.
You threaten to vote someone (just one specific someone out of three people) who calls you out on this, and say you may as well leave it.
You post reads when pressured to, which is a plus, but your reads go from suspicious of to townreading your RVS target over the course of the post, based off of one of his posts, which ends in unvoting him.
Your explanation of the last makes a sort of sense. But it's hardly allayed the overall concern your posts thus far have raised.
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Oh, hey!
You bring up some interesting points here. It's different from the way I was reading him. I'll have to go back and reread the interactions between you two and see how this holds up, but probably won't have time today.
Yeah, the game in which I did an insane cop gambit page two? That game?
In response I offer you Maestro's Superwholock Mafia (i replaced in on page four)
Oh, you resyx? That was hilarious.
"This player makes a good point, so I'm going to dismiss it because of comparative experience levels"
It aint gonna wash with buddy, and I've only completed five games.
(Aside, wildfire is really good at this game)
Scum, however, knows who is town and who isn't. They have all the information, they can afford to be chummy and personable with everyone so they don't get lynched.
Vote: Hunger
Jesus christ you're selective (Chris, plum, Wizard scumteam)
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Weak, scummy language: CHECK
Which is fine, it makes you very easy to read. I am grateful. By the way my language isn't weak, and you can go ahead and use things to prove otherwise.
Like look at you. You see my post and then you just post nothing. Your post is nothing. You respond to my post with "weak, scummy language." What is weak about it? What is scummy about it? You probably can't say, or if you do try it won't make a lot of sense. By all means.
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You use weak and inoffensive words like "perhaps needs to work on" then as soon as I call you out on it your language becomes a lot stronger.
masterplum's self-meta is indeed awful but could easily come from any alignment depending on how new they are to the game.
Burning_Earth's eagerness to hunt scum out of the gate is a good thing to see.
Did I say masterplum looks awful? Because post 17 bumped that up to extrasuperawfulness.
masterplum's point on wanting short Days can go either way. Long Days can create apathy in the town, but can also make for rushed decisions.
Dels calling RVS useless is BADBADBAD
Not sure on Chris as of yet. Speech reads as stilted and awkward, much like I typed in my first scum game, but that could just be noob awkwardness.
I almost feel as if B_E is playing the townieness up too hard. I'll have to read past games to see if he's this aggressive out of the gate usually.
Chris's post 53 sounds very self-aware and defensive.
Dels looks bad in post 70. Self-aware, etc.
Ah, 76, Chris, I like this.
Dels keeps arguing semantics and silly things that have nothing to do with alignment and its worrisome.
Wildfire is looking progressively better.
I've played with Hunger once before, I think. The Arsonist game? He was town there and reads the same here so far.
plum just feels like lynchbait. Willing to leave this slot alone for now.
114. Red flag. RNG vote. Warning. Danger. Caution.
Hmm. Maybe all this big discussion is TvT and the scum are laying low?
So, there is a group here that usually plays together on another site, yes? Mkay. I'll keep that in mind when looking at interactions.
RobotWizard got off to an awkward start.
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Mkay. Hi.
Sorry for the stream-of-consciousness catch-up, but this site is awful for multiquotes and the like not to mention I mainly mafia from my phone.
Here's the majority of my meta if you're a meta-player like I tend to be sometimes. I've played some games here too that are easily found.
Reading through, I think my vote belongs here:
Vote: Dels
Plus you called me weak. I got aggressive because you annoyed me, not because of some call out.
Seriously, it seems you think tells mean being offensive. Like I make my point, I just try not to be rude about it.
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There's a difference between 'politeness' and 'scummyness'
The first is the opposite of what I'm doing, the second is what you're doing. You didn't say "I think your reads are wrong (the first)" You said "maybe you need to improve your reads (the second)"
What I was trying to convey is that it is absurd that, out of about 2/3rds of the game posting, you nailed an entire scum team before day one is over using a single connecting threat. I don't know if you were being serious or were just stirring the pot. I don't know you, can't say, but it struck me as very arrogant, "look at me" town thing to do. So I said so. Instead of 'maybe you need', what I should have said is "read the game better, I am pretty sure you are town and if you keep posting bad logic all day I am going to need a stronger drink."
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I need to transform into Iso.
I'll try using this smiley also
You aren't likely to sell me on plum today. Unless you can give me evidence of him being too experienced for his earlier self-meta ridiculousness.
You believe strong reads to be a scumtell?
I'm frantically ing right now
I feel like this may be a faulty association due to a meta issue.
What is the scum motivation behind sticking to your reads? Wouldn't it be more in scum's interest to have flimsy reads that they could back out of later?
He's very experienced on another site
@ PLUM: how many games have u played?
He's driving hard and applying adequate pressure.
I think you're reading too much into semantics and not enough into intention. Psychobabble tells are good for support, but not as a major point(or only point?) of a case.